A Delta Airlines flight from New York’s JFK Airport to Israel was delayed by half an hour after a group of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men refused to sit next to female passengers. We discussed the same type of disruption on a flight in September by ultra-Orthodox travelers refusing to sit down until people moved around to accommodate their extreme religious views. What is astonishing is that the disruptive travelers faced no reported repercussions for delaying a flight or refusing to comply with the instruction of flight attendants.
Delta Flight 468 was bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion Airport and the men were told repeatedly to sit down and refused. They insisted that women had to be moved to avoid their coming into contact with a member of the outside sex. Two women refused to accommodate what they viewed as discrimination despite the men offering money to the various passengers to comply with their demands. Finally, an American traveling to Israel changed seats to resolve the situation.
What is striking is that people are routinely pulled off planes for the slightest disruptions or failures to obey flight attendants. However, you can defiantly refuse to take your seats until passengers yield to your demands if you can a religious principle against sitting with women.
What is interesting is that when another group of ultra Orthodox men turned an El Al flight into a nightmare, many demanded that the airline adopt a rule to deal with such disruptive passengers. However, the airline has refused to adopt a policy to prevent future such disruptions, leaving passengers to the whim of these ultra orthodox travelers who refuse to let planes take off until women are removed from their rows.
These are the same kind of schmucks who wont sit next to a guide dog for a blind person. I personally don’t want to sit next to anyone on a plane who reads any kind of Bible. The plane might crash if they recite the wrong verse. Cross my heart and hope to die, stick a needle in my eye. Go Comets.
po, Trooper is VERY well read. He is a much better writer than I, although that can be seen as damning w/ faint praise. Trooper also knows himself. He is more conservative than myself. He came here w/ many trepidations. His concern is noble. He did not want his rough around the edges, straight talkin’ Brooklyn ways, to reflect badly on me. So, I suggest you take his advice.
Women should refuse to sit next to these perps. Turnabout is fair play. In fact the plane should not be allowed to turnabout once it landed over there.
There should be another class, ‘Crate and Bucket’. Slightly more but worth it.
Po I would like to abide by Professor Turley’s civility rule. We will never agree and it will only devolve. Lets just agree to disagree.
I heard a phrase once that sums it up best.
“Separate but Equal.”
That’s the ticket. Why did we ever get away from that! Look at all the trouble that caused.
Trooper, it doesn’t have to be that extreme!
Judge my comments on their merit and I’ll do the same for you. I suspect we’ll get along better if we just stop calling each other names. 🙂
Po I will make you a deal. You ignore me and I will ignore you going forward. It will better for our digestion.
Thank you.
You always get reruns during the Holidays. Just sayn’
Nick
I enjoy bantering with you I do..
Trooper lacks your wit and skills, he can’t argument to save his life, just throw stones from behind a wall 🙂
I have seen worse…so there is some fun in watching him acting silly!
po, You know what, JT does seem to recycle issues. I tend to agree w/ you on that. But, it is his blog.
I’m surprised that this situation, being a major concern for them, wasn’t resolved at the time they purchased their tickets or before boarding the plane. It is not fair to other passengers to be delayed for those reasons. Who would be liable if a person missed a connecting flight. The only thing I will give them credit for is that they put their money where their mouth is by offering to pay someone to change seats. But, that also should have been taken care of before boarding the plane.
po, LOL! Trooper and I are 2 very different people in many respects. But, we are both Italian/Irish, lovers of food, sports, ballbusting, and other fun activities. Ironically, there are actual photos of both of us, dining in a great Brooklyn restaurant, w/ our lovely brides. We kid because we love po, we kid because we love.
Orthodox Jewry treats women just like the Taliban/al Qaeda treat their women, with one exception; Orthodox Jews won’t chop off a women’s head for violating their ridiculous rules.
Delta Airlines is registered to do business in a Zionist country, the USA. The Jewish Lobby in America runs the federal government. So, bowing to the will of a few Orthodox Jews goes with the “territory”. Zionism even trumps the U.S. Constitution! Have a nice day, Israeli style.
No am starting to wonder if Trooper is Nick!
Or Nick Trooper.
Or Trooper the more obnoxious twin of Nick!
Nick Spinelli
I’m waiting to see what po has to say on this one.
on 1, December 31, 2014 at 11:45 amtrooperyork
Come on Nick the answer is obvious.
He would cut off their head
And I agree with David on this one.
The airplane should deal with this before boarding, not after. and the passengers should deal with this also before boarding, not after. But I suspect that they would be unable to get a flight if their request was not to sit near women.
Pogo Hears a Who
“God is dead.” -Hitchens.
“Hitchens is dead.” -God
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Well said!
He who dies last wins….
Nick, I came by to rant about the fact that Prof turley is recycling issues. I mean how many such incidences do we have to revisit?
Why don’t we just post the comments we all made last time?
If a religious extremist can’t function in public, especially on a public conveyance then they should have a choice, swim or go in cargo. Some blankets, a bucket, and whatever else necessary to make the trip would solve the problem. They could pay for the extra services and the rest of the passengers would not have to put up with their nonsense. Can you imagine sitting near these goofs for ten hours, listening to their comments on every aspect of what transpires as to whether or not the water is kosher, or the crackers were touched by a woman, or if the person who made the meal was indeed circumcised, or any of the endless meaningless nonsense these guys come up with was this or that?
However
Come on Nick the answer is obvious.
He would cut off their heads.
I’m waiting to see what po has to say on this one.