A French prosecutor has issued a statement that the co-pilot of Germanwings 9525, Andreas Lubitz, 28, locked out the pilot of the plane and then intentionally crashed the plane in the French Alps. The conclusion adds a new horrific detail to an already horrific crash. It was not an accident according to a review of the record from the black box found at the crash site.
The cockpit voice recorder revealed the pilot politely knocking to be allowed back into the cockpit and then frantically banging on the door as Lubitz directed the plane into the ground. Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said that Lubitz “wanted to destroy this plane.” He killed 150 passengers and crew, who can be heard in the background screaming in terror. New reports indicate that there may have been issues in the past with regard to depression.
Germanwings, a low-budget carrier operated by Lufthansa, will likely face litigation over the crash and this adds a new issue. Companies will often offer a “rogue employee” defense of an employee acting outside the scope of their employment or clearly against the rules and wishes of the employer. This would clearly appear to fit since this is a senseless criminal act. However, there will remain the question of whether the airline had any indication or should have uncovered the type of mental imbalance that would lead to such an suicidal and murderous act.
Source: WSJ
Aridog,
Chuck Stanley did comment three times on this thread, but not on the subject at hand. I, too, was hoping to read his opinion on this matter.
Dang it: “Mediation” = “Medication.”
Paul C and Ken R … what bothers me isn’t merely whether he was on drugs or not, which may be relevant, but that he was certified to fly when he had a record of severe depression. Mediation is incidental to a mental disorder pertaining to hopelessness.
There are a lot of jobs, some very good jobs, that such a person could do well at…but flying an airliner with 100+ souls aboard isn’t one of them. Heck, I was blocked from Army helicopter training due to just having flat feet (flat as a duck’s and make tracks in sand like a Yeti 🙂 ) … e.g., they can cramp up from time to time. I understood….and found that the Army had lots of other places to stick me. Who knew, eh?
Aridog – I am concerned that we are jumping to conclusions. At this point, as I said, all we have is the airlines CYA reports and investigators, but no one is speaking for the co-pilot. It maybe that he does not have a valid defense, but I would like to wait a little longer.
@ Aridog
If CS did comment, I missed it, too. In any event, we’ll have to wait and see whether it comes out that he was taking one or more antidepressants.
If he was, however, and the airline knew it, I can readily understand why they would think he was therefore good-to-go, as Big Pharma has spent multiple millions of dollars on brainwashing medical doctors and the public regarding the “effectiveness and safety” of their mood-lifters.
Ken Rogers …. your apt comments and quotations are why I hoped Dr Chuck Stanley would have commented at length on this thread. He’s certainly qualified. I’ve learned a few things from his remarks in the past. He is a masthead contributor after all….both here and at FFS. If he did and I missed it…tell me and I’ll re-read the thread.
Aridog – I think I would wait a few more weeks before I started to come to any conclusions. Right now the airlines is controlling the press, no one is speaking for the co-pilot. Chuck would be in the same position.
I love it when the terrible Psychiatric Community at large is blamed for something that we don’t even know happened. Alex Jones is doing an entire expose on it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=alec+jones+inforwars+on+french+pilot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Palemoon:en-US&client=palemoon&channel=fflb
Because of the growing list of suicides and murders associated with the use of psychotropic drugs, their possible role in the Germanwings crash is an important avenue of investigation. The following is excerpted from a column by investigative reporter Jon Rappoport:
“Airbus A 320 flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf. Crashed in French Alps. All 150 aboard killed. Pilot Andreas Lubitz flew the plane into a mountain. Lubitz had seen a psychiatrist for depression.
“Major media cover the story from several angles: Should airline personnel have known one of its pilots was suffering from depression? Did they know? Did they cover it up, or ignore it?
“These media outlets studiously ignore the elephant in the room: the drugs used to treat depression.
“This blackout is intentional. Any decent reporter would look into the antidepressants, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc., as the cause of the pilot crashing the plane. Go to the site, SSRI Stories, for a huge list of suicides and murders connected to the drugs. Read the warning labels (listing, e.g., suicide) on the drugs. It’s all there. (Emphasis added)
“Visit psychiatrist Peter Breggin’s site, breggin.com. Breggin blew the whistle on these drugs long ago. Read his classic, Toxic Psychiatry.
“So where is the media coverage now, in the Germanwings case? It’s virtually nowhere.
“The go-to media experts in the field of psychiatry are cover-up professionals. Drug Companies, of course, buy enormous numbers of TV ads.
“But beyond these factors, exposure of the truth about antidepressants and their connection to suicides and murders would take down psychiatry itself. The whole profession would collapse.”
“And if the major media lived up to their (mythical) role of investigators of truth, the Germanwings story would expand into every nook and cranny of psychiatry: fraudulent diagnoses of every so-called mental disorder, for which there are no physical diagnostic tests: no blood tests, no urine tests, no brain scans, no genetic assays.”
” ‘Since I first began working as a medical expert in product liability cases way back in the early 1990s, I’ve spent innumerable hours culling the sealed data contained within the files of companies like GlaxoSmithKline and Eli Lilly. Among other things, I long ago found evidence that Paxil and Prozac cause suicidality in adults. These discoveries then led to settlements in product liability suits brought against the two companies brought by surviving family members.’ Dr. Peter Breggin
http://www.nomorefakenews.com
@ po
“Thanks for the link, Ken. I have been remotely following this story, remotely because only Glen has written about it, that I can recall, and it pops up into my radar once in a while when he does write about it.”
@TJustice
“Ken Rogers Thanks for posting. I hope they take the time to write about. (not holding my breath though)”
You’re very welcome. I would have written something about Greenwald’s piece, myself, but as JT and DS had both written on similar topics in the past, I didn’t want to preempt them if they intended to write about this one.
The other reason I wanted to defer to them is that I’m not an attorney, and I thought something coming from them would be more appropriate than what I might have to say.
Ken Rogers
Thanks for posting. I hope they take the time to write about. (not holding my breath though)
Po … we are guests on this board and shouldn’t need to tone down. We can have civil conversations, as you and I do now and then, and if we don’t like it we should move on to elsewhere. Or just skip & scroll by the persons we don’t care for very much. Just my opinion, other’s MMV…
“Rowdy” belongs in old Irish saloons and I once was regular in several. “Rowdy” got old. Though I suspect you meant it in a less pejorative form.
Indeed, Ari, Darren is a good man. He might however, have to show the other side of him to get me and my rowdy friends to tone it down 🙂
Yeah Po…aren’t you impressed at how much respect is given Darren when he nicely asks for more civility and less personal effrontery? I guess he has to say what certain others want to hear, otherwise “crickets.”
Oh Aridog – Please be sure to pass the popcorn as this is just a theatre of requests for congressional level attorneys to write negative venue about the Neoconservatives. It is becoming more apparent all the time who the sock puppets were last February regarding that red neck couple who “kidnapped” their kid and was thrown in jail and it was later found out he was a free range kid or something? idk. But a poster was screeching at me on there about the Chicago School of Neocons, and I said Oh, do you mean Leo Strauss and the Sock says, “No, I mean Milton Friedman – now, Who does that sound like here – who double talks like that? lolol. Oh Aridog. It is great to have an eidetic memory – especially when everyone underestimates you. 😉
Sigh.
Thanks for the link, Ken. I have been remotely following this story, remotely because only Glen has written about it, that I can recall, and it pops up into my radar once in a while when he does write about it.
It is of extreme importance, but JT is much too busy writing about mob justice and freedom of speech here and there to worry about the issues that will effectively and definitely affect us Americans.
Also, I don’t recall him writing anything exposing the shadowy and illegal work neocons and people on the right have been doing…hopefully Darren will.
Jonathan and Darren,
I’m sorry about the misspelling of “Jonathan” in my previous email.
Ken
Jonathon and Darren,
I don’t know if you’re aware of this case, but it’s certainly something one of you might want to write about here, owing to its importance.
Ken
“Court Accepts DOJ’s ‘State Secrets’ Claim to Protect Shadowy Neocons: a New Low
By Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
Thursday at 10:34 AM
“A truly stunning debasement of the U.S. justice system just occurred through the joint efforts of the Obama Justice Department and a meek and frightened Obama-appointed federal judge, Edgardo Ramos, all in order to protect an extremist neocon front group from scrutiny and accountability. The details are crucial for understanding the magnitude of the abuse here.”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/26/new-low-obama-doj-federal-courts-abusing-state-secrets-privilege/
@ happypappies
“Interiorty. that’s a cool new word. Can I use it? I’m gonna use it. 😉 😉 ”
You hardly need my permission to use a word: I’m glad you like the word and want to use it.
You may want to spell it right, though, as it’s “interiority.”
Interiorty>>>><<<< interiority Well, Kenny – that's funny hahahaha. I did spell the new and different word right that isn't in the dictionary. It's kinda like Normalcy. If you keep it up, you can get them coined and have them put in a dictionary and be famous!
TJustice – I don’t thing the Brandenburg Case was right and I don’t think Ferguson is right. Just to be clear. And I am tired of the nation being torn apart by bad decisions and evil intent.
D.S. before knowing the facts calls for condemnation of this person. While this was certainly a tragedy and poor decision by the co-pilot it is not without legitimate warning signs. Just like 9/11. There are reasons why these things happen. Getting angry and putting people in cages all the time is the answer I see D.S. list constantly. This just exacerbates the problem most of the time.
Why do you say this? He never says that. I watch you constantly go on his threads and say things that I know you are better than and that is why I hammered on you. He defends People that are discriminated against constantly. What are you reading? Criminals that commit crimes and so forth and rape babies should go to jail you know? But he champions those who are discriminated against. How about you discern what he is talking about. You aren’t stupid you are obstinate like I am. I had to do something to wake up a North County Person. That’s where you said you were from right? If I didn’t care I wouldn’t bother.
TJustice
Please tell me all about injustice. I want to know about all your injustices. I am sure I can match you for each and every one even though I am privileged. and white. You see, I didn’t have a big brother and I was taught not to fight back. And, I grew up in North County and can’t tell you how many times I was taken out. So, please tell me all about how its only black folks and not red necks from Arkansas and so forth.
“Free Speech does not give one the right to smear people like they are no accounts that write the blog.”
I’m not here to do that, but based on case law of free speech cases, it most certainly gives me that right.
Also, why should it matter where I’m at? I thought this blog was about civil liberties. Do those change based on the geographic location of which my posts come from?
To assert that Mr. Head had the following to incite a riot is absurd. Mr. Head has never been a public figure that claimed a following.
I was in Ferguson the night Mr. Head yelled that. And while there was burning, there was ample civil disobedience. And fyi: there was probably triple the amount of law enforcement officers compared to protesters. The act from this blog that all the people in Ferguson are thugs and savages is a fabrication.
What about the fact that the free speech test you cite (Brandenburg v. Ohio) has only had one law pass its muster (under the Obama Administration).
If you and DS wanted to protect rights, individuals would be higher up on the list than governments.
TJustice
What about the fact that the free speech test you cite (Brandenburg v. Ohio) has only had one law pass its muster (under the Obama Administration).
If you and DS wanted to protect rights, individuals would be higher up on the list than governments.
You know what is sad about this? a landmark case against the KKK is used to uphold a thug who was plotting right by the car before he even said this. Lots of us were following this and recording it you know. And he said, you know, I am gonna tell them to burn that town down.
Now, I want to know why it’s okay for them to have this total loss of control to burn a town down. Please tell me. I want to know. My Husband, a white boy, had to go fight a war he was drafted for and spit on when he came back and you know what someone said to me just today, “Oh, well, that wasn’t his fault.”
And, you want to just come here and be disrespectful because you have civil liberties while you trample all over mine.
Why is that?
TJustice – actual protesters (at riots) are not my age (we know we are mortal). That is why protesters were bused in to Ferguson and why George Soros payed $33 million to support them. You need ‘youts’ who think they are immortal. However, people who incite riots can and are much older. Sometimes they are pillars of the community or sometimes they have a particular axe to grind.
Paul is right. It will be months until a clear picture is developed as to what happened and why.
The rest of it is just point scoring for the various teams.