A French prosecutor has issued a statement that the co-pilot of Germanwings 9525, Andreas Lubitz, 28, locked out the pilot of the plane and then intentionally crashed the plane in the French Alps. The conclusion adds a new horrific detail to an already horrific crash. It was not an accident according to a review of the record from the black box found at the crash site.
The cockpit voice recorder revealed the pilot politely knocking to be allowed back into the cockpit and then frantically banging on the door as Lubitz directed the plane into the ground. Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said that Lubitz “wanted to destroy this plane.” He killed 150 passengers and crew, who can be heard in the background screaming in terror. New reports indicate that there may have been issues in the past with regard to depression.
Germanwings, a low-budget carrier operated by Lufthansa, will likely face litigation over the crash and this adds a new issue. Companies will often offer a “rogue employee” defense of an employee acting outside the scope of their employment or clearly against the rules and wishes of the employer. This would clearly appear to fit since this is a senseless criminal act. However, there will remain the question of whether the airline had any indication or should have uncovered the type of mental imbalance that would lead to such an suicidal and murderous act.
Source: WSJ
@ Ingannie
“You’re entirely welcome Ken. I would’ve never changed it from my pseudonym, ‘Annie’ to my real name, Inga, if some of the mouth breathers here didn’t keep posting my real name, Inga.”
Ingannie, I have to tell you the same thing I told P HaW about calling people names: it’s a substitute for thinking and for distinguishing between the person and his or her behavior. It bothers me as much when you do it as when P HaW and others do it, and for the same reasons.
“Rightists” isn’t any better than “leftists.” Neither is ever defined, is thrown around thoughtlessly as an epithet, and serves merely to generate a little heat and no light.
I recognize the name-calling temptation in myself, and call this to your attention in the spirit of William Blake’s “Opposition is true friendship.”
I hope you can accept what I’m saying in the friendly spirit in which it’s intended.
Ken
These poor people seeing the pilot pounding on the cabin door and the knowlege they were descending must’ve been horrendous. I can only imagine what was going through their minds, the mother’s of the two babies, the young high school kids, knowing with a certainty that their lives were going to be cut short. Just mindbogglingly awful.
@ Ingannie
“Ken I think smoking too much weed also affects people negatively, it makes them a bit stupid and lazy. Everything in moderation.”
So saith Aristotle, Confucius, and the Buddha. Not about the weed, but about the moderation.
Thanks, BTW, for eliminating the tension in my mind from constantly trying to decide whether to address you as Inga or Annie.
Inga(Annie) made my fingers cramp just looking at it, let alone typing it, but Ingannie just rolls off the tongue, and my fingers and keyboard become one.
I am glad that some of the commenters have mentioned FDR. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Which brings us to Ferguson. I think it is pretty clear that the pilot was watching all the CNN coverage about Ferguson and went wacko. And it will soon be revealed that he was emailing Al Sharptongue in weeks leading up to the crash. So if you want to find blame for Ferguson you must go to NYC and same with the crash. Big Al. The Christian Faith does not do enough to discourage suicide. You folks need to tell the faithful that if they kill themselves or others that they will go straight to Hell without an interview with Saint Peter at the Holy Gates. This pilot is down there in Hell right now burning and screaming in pain. Dumbschmuck.
Ingannie says everything in moderation and calls others mouth breathers.
Arsenic: everything in moderation
Education: everything in moderation
And who is the mouth breather here?
Hysterical in her stupidity.
Ken I think smoking too much weed also affects people negatively, it makes them a bit stupid and lazy. Everything in moderation.
@ Ingannie
Looking at that representation of Gush Dimbaugh made me think of something that hadn’t occurred to me before in trying to account for his gaseous stylings: he may just be terribly constipated.
I just looked it up, and sure enough, “severe constipation” is listed as one of the possible side effects of Oxycontin.
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/oxycontin-side-effects.html
http://startstudioarts.si.edu/2011/07/bostonglobe-wasserman-the-phrase-a-picture-speaks-1000-words-resonates-in-my-head-when-a-singular-image-is-to-be.html
“Like any writer or artist, one must go through the daily process of research, note-taking, and drawing up one’s ideas. Political cartoonists must gather information from blogs, newspapers, news channels, and other informative outlets, and then have the ability to capture a few tasteful yet relevant singular thoughts. The few thoughts stem from passionate opinions dealt from daily local and world news, local debates or situations. A political cartoonist has the ability to soak up the information into a few thoughts and transform it into one vision or particular view through the medium of drawing.”
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For the edification of the dim witted. Not on par with crayon drawings of kindergarteners or cave drawings of troglodytes.
It’s a political cartoon which is recognized as political speech by most intelligent people. I suppose there are people who don’t understand that, the mouth breathers I suspect.
Ken Doll, You just described the 6:31p comment. LOL!! She’s all yours, Ken Doll. She needs someone just like you. Clyde has abandoned her.
@ randyjet
“In my previous post, I questioned the snap judgment made by a LAWYER about the cause of the accident. That any person could or would take this as good judgment is beyond rational thought. He might be correct, but until we know more from the FDR, it is just SPECULATION from an unqualified source.”
You’ve well summed up my own reaction to the announcement by the intrepid, clairvoyant prosecutor: “Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said that Lubitz ‘wanted to destroy this plane.’ ”
OK, great, Inspector Clouseau. Now, then, what were the pilots’ motivations on Malaysian Flight 370? A lot of people want to know that, too.
Think back to Sep 11, 2001. Several force their way into the cockpit. I have an idea. Let’s strengthen the door so you cannot break in. What a great idea.
@P HaW
“Trooper kills me.”
Do you think that has anything to do with your both suffering from hardening of the categories and an authoritarian mindset? 🙂
Speaking of categories, what is a “leftist.”
Photos, finger paintings, or drawings in crayon aren’t cogently responsive.
Pogo, One of the funniest folks on the internets.
http://blog.reidreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Wuerker-WingNut-Big.jpg
A rightist.
randyjet – what has really been apparent in this tragedy is the difference between domestic and foreign accident investigations. Here in the US, investigators are pretty close lipped about drawing any conclusions, and it can take a really long time before they can or will commit to declaring the cause of a crash.
I just read about that emergency code, too. Do you happen to know if the co-pilot can override that code, and still prevent the pilot from entering? I think that will be the most telling, if the Black Box recorded any attempts at entering the code that were over ridden. Other than that, how in the world will we ever rule out some sort of medical emergency? This is one of those instances where I really wish they did have a camera in the cockpit.
Karen The fact is that I doubt cameras will give us much more data than we have now. What it will do is add to the equipment that has to be checked before every flight and certified as good to go before they can take off. There is enough stuff on board to do the job adequately now and as we can see the recorders were allowed on board with the proviso they would not be leaked to the public before any cause was determined. So much for the confidential nature of those recordings. It was also supposed to be not available for use by management for disciplinary reasons.
One of the reasons for this confidential nature was in part to spare the surviving relatives the pain of hearing their loved ones screams as they die. I rode with a fellow pilot who flew for Alaska Airlines which had the MD-80 crash into the Pacific off the coast of CA near LA. What happened was the pilots knew that they had a problem with the horizontal stabilizer and they were talked into continuing the flight to OAK to repair the problem. They unwisely chose to fool with the trim control and managed to snap the jackscrew holding the stab control. When that happened, the plane went inverted and was uncontrollable as it took a couple of minutes to plunge into the water. He told me that you could hear the screams of the passengers as they had wild ride to their deaths. At least these poor folks had just a brief moment of terror before they knew what was happening.
I think that the solution is to do as the US does.
Trooper kills me.
Randyjet – I agree that sometimes “low tech” is a better answer than high tech, which can fail.
And it sounds like Po’s main complaint is with what people are thinking and feeling. If people wonder if a hypothetical Muslim pilot who deliberately crashed a plain was a terrorist, that would somehow be terribly, horribly wrong. (For those who haven’t read the entire thread, that does not refer to the pilot in this story.)
I disagree with the thought police. People are entitled to think what they want. And no one can prevent others from wondering about events. What a pointless objection to make.
Everybody knows what a “Leftist” is:
https://robpatey.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/obama-funny.jpg
@ P HaW
As I stated before,
““The leftist’s favorite debate tactics are to:
(a) mock or deride the speaker personally
(b) call them a “hater” or “whatever-phobe”
(c) shout them down.”
For those keeping score at home, the Logical Fallacy score is even:
Ken Rogers: (a): deride the speaker personally) and (b): ‘Your hatred is a dangerous state of mind’.
po: (a) ‘known hereon Lord P HaW’ and (b): ‘our favorite Islamophobe”
Well, you can repeat it a thousand times, but that hardly makes it true.
Are you actually trying to assert that you are unable to distinguish between a person (as body, mind, and spirit) and one or more of his/her states of mind, such as loving or hating someone or something?
And after I had explicitly analogized you with St. Paul?
If so, then your hatred (and/or something else) has stupefied you even more than I’d realized.
Are you still trying to figure out what a “leftist” is?
Don’t take too long or everyone here, including me, will know you are not only into name-calling, but name-calling without even knowing the meaning of the name.