We have another case of a man fired for obnoxious conduct outside of his workplace. While we recently discussed this issue with regard to academics, it is increasing common for private employers to fire people who make themselves notorious with thuggish or insulting conduct in public. The latest is Shawn Simoes, who appears to have the mentality of a three year old and taunted a female report with a disgusting sexually explicit heckle on television. He was an engineer with Hydro One, which fired him after the scene was posted outside of BMO Field.
Reporter Shauna Hunt was surrounded by a group of juvenile men who seemed to wait to get the insult on the air. They wanted to embarrass Hunt by using FHRITP, which stands for “f–k her right in the p—y.” The two men speaking with Hunt actually laugh which is equally disgusting. Hunt says that two men “in a row” shouted the offensive phrase while passing by and “I could hear these other guys conspiring to do it,” Hunt added.
Hunt then confronted the group of men in a wonderfully balanced but firm way. One of the men however then proceeds to explain how using the vulgar expression is incredibly funny. “It is f——- hilarious … it’s f—— amazing, and I respect it.”
He later sent an apology to Hunt though I find it bizarre that a grown man would have to be confronted in public to suddenly realize that he is a thug with a toddler’s mentality.
His company did not like the exposure and fired him. There is of course a difference with the Duke and Boston University professors who were voicing their views of race relations and social issues. Having an employee espousing the value to degrading women with vulgarity expressions presents a different issue for a company that has hired employees to perform specific engineering or business tasks.
As we discussed recently, people who achieve such infamy on social media tend to find that their reputation can follow them with devastating consequences as in the case of Adam Smith.
It is encouraging that the team is planning to take action against all of the men but it is only considering a ban for a year. Why not just ban the men entirely? That could only be a net benefit to every other fan and send a message that boorish thugs should stay home and watch on television where they act like total morons in private.
I honestly cannot even imagine why these men — at least six in number — think that such an insult is so funny. It reflects a sad reality about the upbringing and values of too many people — not just in the treatment of women but basic civil conduct.
Just who I’d want teaching my children, a teacher who has a fist fight with another teacher.
Inga – there were two history professors who got into a fist fight during a faculty meeting at ASU while I was there. They just made them agree not to come to the same meeting, so they took turns going to the faculty meeting.
BTW, as much as you do not want me teaching your kids, I do not want you nursing me or mine.
Good, because I’d be repulsed.
Inga – I wouldn’t trust you anywhere near my meds.
I. Annie
From your mouth to God’s ears.
Lol!
What Milwaukee school requires boys to cross-dress as girls? Can you be more specific and provide some details?
Not Milwaukee but it starts with an “M” 🙂
http://nationalreport.net/maryland-middle-school-requires-children-cross-dress-lgbtq-appreciation-day/
To be fair, when I was in school we had something called “opposite day” where the girls could actually….wait for it….wear slacks or pants!!! It was optional however and not mandatory like the link.
But: this goes a bit further than that. “The outrage stems from an event held this past Monday, a day which the school had dubbed “LGBTQ Appreciation Day” instructing children to experience the homosexual lifestyle for a single school day or receive a failing grade
No score soccer
http://www.athleticbusiness.com/no-score-youth-sports-policies-gaining-popularity.html
I also posted where schools are eliminating games like tag, red rover and other mildly competitive games because the precious snowflakes might get their widdle feelers hurt.
It is happening. Just because it isn’t happening to YOU doesn’t make it not real.
BamBam, well I suspect modern day feminists have discovered makeup and depilatories by now, lol.
You may very well be . . .
Elaine suggested research. Pogo provides opinions. The Emma Watson video is great. Hope the guys here watch it.
Pogo
I’ve been off campus for quite a while. You may be very well be correct. The course that I took, in the Women’s Studies department, years ago, was much more tame and not nearly as radical in thought as the sources that you quoted. I thoroughly enjoyed the class, even though I was somewhat intimidated.
I was one of the few women, in the classroom, without a moustache.
Lol! Sorry I. Annie, but it’s true.
You all know that the guy who was fired wasn’t the guy that said it. He was the guy who defended the guy who said it.
I do, because I watched and posted a link to the video. It was nothing like implicated in Turley’s article.
But….facts can never trump ideology……it seems.
Pogo,
I wrote to Paul: “I don’t know what you mean by “sissifying” little boys in grade school and high school. Do you mean that teaching children to be kind, considerate, and thoughtful of others is helping to make sissies of them?”
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Pogo Hears a Who
1, May 20, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Elaine –
1. Eliminating games that have competition.
2. Cross-dressing day at a Milwaukee elementary school.
3. Punishing little boys for kissing a girl as ‘sexual abuse.’
4. Punishing boys who play with guns.
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I said: “Who has eliminated games that have competition? I see lots of young kids participating in competitive sports these days. Because you read about some schools punishing kids for acting like kids doesn’t mean that all schools do it. The good things that public schools/educators do these days rarely get any news coverage.”
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Where have competitive games been eliminated? What Milwaukee school requires boys to cross-dress as girls? Can you be more specific and provide some details?
Modern Feminist Theory by Jennifer Rich (2014)
The Lesbian Heresy: A Feminist Perspective on the Lesbian Sexual Revolution by Sheila Jeffreys (1993)
Of Woman Born: Motherhood as Experience and Institution by Adrienne Rich (1986)
On Lies, Secrets, and Silence: Selected Prose 1966-1978 by Adrienne Rich (1979)
Daring To Be Bad: Radical Feminism in America 1967-1975 by Alice Echols, 1989
Personal Politics: The Roots of Women’s Liberation in the Civil Rights Movement & the New Left by Sara Evans, 1979
The Lesbian Issue: Essays from Signs, edited by Estelle B. Freedman, et al. (1985)
Blood, Bread, and Poetry: Selected Prose 1979-1985 by Adrienne Rich (1986)
Lesbianism and the Women’s Movement edited by Nancy Myron and Charlotte Bunch (1975)
Freedom Fallacy: The Limits of Liberal Feminism, edited by Miranda Kiraly and Meagan Tyler (2015)
Personal Politics: The Roots of Women’s Liberation in the Civil Rights Movement and the New Left, by Sara Evans, 1979
Daring to Be Bad: Radical Feminism in America 1967-1975, by Alice Echols, 1989
In Our Time: Memoir of a Revolution, by Susan Brownmiller, 1999
Betty Friedan and the Making of ‘The Feminine Mystique’: The American Left, the Cold War and Modern Feminism, by Daniel Horowitz, 2000
Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women’s Liberation, by Kate Weigand, 2001
These books are either written or edited by Women’s Studies professors or, as in the case of Adrienne Rich, are by authors whose works are included in Women’s Studies curricula.
Estelle Freedman is a Stanford University professor who is hugely influential in academia, being for example the editor of The Essential Feminist Reader (2007), an assigned textbook in many introductory Women’s Studies courses.
If you think of feminism as mere “equality” in the sense of basic fairness, you are way off the mark.
Modern academic feminism is far more radical than you seem to be aware of.
Paul C. Schulte
1, May 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Inga – I am not threatened by feminism but I did just about punch one out at a conference one time. Every sentence she spoke had some feminist meme attached to it.
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Paul do you have impulses you “punch out” males who annoy you too? Somehow I don’t think you do.
Inga – I got into a fist-fight with a male during a faculty meeting. Since it was mutual combat we were both put on probation for three months.
You’re a he man Paul. Surprised you weren’t fired.
Inga – as I said it was mutual combat. And they would have lost two teacher who were hard to replace. I boxed Golden Gloves in high school.
You all know that the guy who was fired wasn’t the guy that said it. He was the guy who defended the guy who said it.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/16157/our_feminized_society
The feminized society myth.
“The idea of a gender perception gap is borne out by studies in other areas. In one study on gender parity in the workforce, sent my way by colleague Flavia Dzodan, it was found that men “consistently perceive more gender parity” in their workplaces than women do. For example, when asked whether their workplaces recruited the same number of men and women, 72 percent of male managers answered “yes.” Only 42 percent of female managers agreed. And, while there’s a persistent stereotype that women are the more talkative gender, women actually tend to talk less than men in classroom discussions, professional contexts and even romantic relationships; one study found that a mixed-gender group needed to be between 60 and 80 percent female before women and men occupied equal time in the conversation. However, the stereotype would seem to have its roots in that same perception gap: “[In] seminars and debates, when women and men are deliberately given an equal amount of the highly valued talking time, there is often a perception that [women] are getting more than their fair share.”
Everything depends on the perception gap: On that ancient, long-enculturated sexist logic, which dictates that, when it comes to women and power, some is enough and enough is too much. The logic which tells us that the only environment not at risk of being “feminized” is an environment with no women in it.
And if that’s our option, well: I say, all hail the matriarchy. Sure, it will mean suffering through a few more years of sexist men having embarrassing, public meltdowns about how women are running everything and ruining their lives. But we can rest secure in the knowledge that, statistically speaking, we probably won’t be ruining those men’s whole lives, or even most of them. We’ll probably only ruin about 33 percent.”
“Why choose to only quote from the most extreme and abnormal in the feminist movement? They represent feminism the same way that Rev. Wright represents mainstream Christian theology.”
You’re quite wrong.
They are the mainstream of feminist thought on college campuses right now.
Paul,
I never recommended that a child in my room be medicated. I do know a couple of parents who went to the doctor and got meds for their children.
It’s the responsibility of the parents to make sure that they do best by their children. Most behavioral issues can’t be solved by medication–or medication alone. Parents and teachers alike need to address the behavioral problems and finds strategies/ways to help alleviate them.
That said, I would say that too many people–both adults and children–are on prescription medications these days. Kids are taking meds for depression and other conditions–as well as for ADHD.
Pogo
Feminism flourished in the US because of our unique and special history. If you take your theory, to its logical conclusion, there would’ve never been the struggle over the right of women to vote. Why struggle over a given right? It should’ve been a normal extension of Western Civilization values. It wasn’t, at least it wasn’t without a struggle. Same applies to women becoming physicians, attorneys, engineers, etc., which were considered male-dominated professions, so much so that women were denied access. Feminism, the good, the bad and the ugly, broke down the barriers with regard to voting and pursuing any and all careers. Western Civilization was merely the cradle in which these occurred, but not the sole reason for the successes.
“Pogo – if fatherless families was a feminist thing, the rates would be the same across races.”
Welfare is Marxist/socialist, and the generator of fatherlessness in blacks.
Feminism has cemented it in place.
It has affected blacks more profoundly than lower class whites for other reasons, largely related to other factors, but slavery not among them.
Nevertheless, whites have experienced a similar rate of fatherlessness in England due to the dole.
Elaine Magliaro
You asked for examples of boys being feminized.
I gave them.
Your refutation is that your schools have competitive soccer.
That’s fine, but doesn’t negate or address what I posted.
Glad to have you here BamBam. We may yet bump heads in the future, but I find a fair minded individual in you.
I. Annie
I defy description. 🙂