Islamic State militants gave the world yet another shocking atrocity this week by executing a 7-year-old Syrian boy in front of his parents because he cursed. ISIS insists that Islamic justice, or Sharia, demanded that the boy be shot.
The boy was accused of “cursing divinity” while playing in the street with his friends. He was taken before an Islamic court which held that “the act was considered an insult to the Caliphate, regardless of the age of the boy.” He was killed in front of a crowd and his sobbing parents made to watch.
Another victory for Sharia “law” and the great Caliphate.
Steve
I had some respect for your point(s) of view up until you made the comparison of Islam’s failure at containing its evils with the West’s failure at containing its evils using a KKK reference. You fit well with Po’s arguments that because one cannot recite the koran then he’s right and you’re wrong. The difference between the Islamic acceptance of the thuggery that goes on within its religion from the sandbox that is the killing fields of Syria and Iraq through the medieval conditions of the oil states, to the rest of the religion that openly states that there are rules that women must obey, whether they like it or not, because they are women and it says so in the koran and is interpreted by towel headed wizards, and the ugly sores that remain and surface from time to time in the West, is that the West stands up against these festering pustules at the same time as they are protected under the laws that protect the general populace from them. Islam protects its festering pustules over the right to criticize.
The big difference is that Islam is predominantly a religion that believes that it alone is the authority. This is proved to the extreme in some countries more so than in others. The difference is one of direction. In the West the direction is towards the people evolving societally to democratically determine how life should be, with as much freedom as can be practically allowed. In the Islamic world the direction is towards a religion determining how life should be with those determinations coming from wizards. The West has evolved through this condition. During the era of Western history when the church determined how society should function there were examples of all that is great in mankind. However, there were also examples of all that is perverse. ISIS has nothing on the Catholics in Spain during the Inquisition.
Ultimately this is all linked to power and economics. The only reason citizens of the richer Islamic nations are not rising up is because of the power of the minority wizards that rule and the money that they have. This is a forced stability and unnatural. That it is unnatural is to be seen in those countries where there is not the money to placate the down trodden. The conditions that exist in every country of the world can be scrutinized by any of the participating groups, religions, races and there will always be an opportunity found to point a finger and say, “Oh yeah, what about the KKK?”
The difference is the participation of religion in society. History has shown us that mankind is freer to evolve and prosper when religion is kept out of the power structures of society. This is why, in my opinion, all religious laws imposed on whomever do nothing but hold a society back from evolving naturally. Sharia law is no different than Judaic laws. They can be a force for evil as well as good. Regardless, they must have no obligatory influence in Western society. If a woman wants to wear a scarf for whatever reason fine; however if she is obligated to wear one because of her religion then the freedom of choice established in Western societies through centuries of conflict must put her personal private desires above the religion. It is fine to ‘understand’ Sharia law but Sharia law has no place in Western society, aside from being the rules and regulations of a club that one is free to join or quit as one pleases. It seems that the defenders of Islam seem to always point to its success, the ones that exist in Western nations because of the societal freedoms found in Western nations, and not to the supposed success that exist in the nations where you’re either on the bus or off with your head. It is a question of direction. One does not always experience the results of the wrong direction, at first. Religion as a determining factor in Western society is as it should be, on the wane. An example might be to understand that one of the major criticisms of backward Americans of JFK was that he was Catholic which brought into play the question of a possible allegiance conflict between Rome and Washington. Now religion is a sideline. Race is almost a sideline. Gender is almost a sideline. We have evolved here in the West, in spite of still showing signs of an always contenting need to evolve further.
Issac: I’m sorry I’ve lost your respect, but I write what I believe and I don’t write it without considerable contemplation.
Why are you not getting the fact that, while you’re criticizing ISIS for being terrorists, you’re avoiding the fact that we’re over there acting like terrorists?
Do you folks think you’re Captain Kirk of the Star Ship Enterprise, seeking out new worlds . .. and going where no man has gone before?
We’re not the world’s police nor should the wealthy profit off of it while you think it’s your moral obligation to have a presence there. Being a cog on your master’s wheel is not what life’s about.
Remember this show tune lyric: “You have to be taught to hate and fear.” And they’ve taught you well.
What a treat of false logic, and of course, the ubiquitous personal attack, especially the misogynistic “silly woman”…the insults to a woman’s intelligence. There it is. Every time, right off the bat. Sick, really.
The history of tribal warfare in the UAE predates its current name, obviously. Why would that long history be irrelevant because of its current ruling family or name?
As clearly stated earlier, there are areas of the world where Sunnis and Shiite get along just fine, and there are areas where they are at each other’s throats. Iran is Shiite because they wiped out the former majority Sunni, so there’s one example. Socialist Saddam put down Shiite movements to overthrow the government, and put minority Sunni in power. The Shiites commemorate the murder of Mohammad’s grandson by the Sunnis. ISIS expressly opposes the Shiites in its quest for world domination. Iran clashed with Iraq when it was led by the Sunni minority under Saddam. It supported Iraq when was under Shiite government. In fact, one of the tensions that Saddam first addressed in his rise to power was Shiite/Sunni. (For instance, there was a movement by exiled Khomeini to gain a Shiite theocracy like Iran’s). A majority of Sunnis in Egypt believe that Shiites aren’t real Muslims.
It seems like there are the most clashes where one party is vying for power.
ISIS is not “in Syria” alone. ISIS (Daesh) is literally the “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.” (or the Levant) It is a Sunni movement. And it opposes the “Shiite Crescent”. Shiite majorities are rare in the ME, so Sunni domination is just one bullet point in its list of mad goals for world power.
Utter nonsense arguments mixed in with derision about my intelligence, with a grudge for daring to denounce radical Islamic extremists. Maybe he rushes to their defense because they don’t want women to be educated or speak their mind. Finds it too threatening, perhaps.
steveg:
That is another common approach. A religion that is a 1,000 years should have another 1,000 years to catch up to modern Christianity’s behavior.
If I started my own religion tomorrow, worshiping a purple cotton ball called BOB, I guarantee you I would not be granted 2,000 for my faith to behave according to our laws and values. I would be expected to behave myself.
I guarantee you that if another racist hate group sprouted in the US, no one would be saying, hey, give it a hundred years to contain. Nope. It would be stamp it out, tout suite, and there would be massive rioting. These threats do, in fact, pop up all the time under various dictatorships in the ME. They just get thrown in some oubliette or beheaded. Since we got involved in Iraq, we should have predicted this rise, and been prepared to put it down firmly. Because that’s the nature of the ME. They have Al Qaeda, ISIS, and all sorts of interesting acronym radical groups. It’s the nature of a region where extremism is the norm, not the exception. They have extremists competing in who’s the most extreme. (Now that would be an interesting game show.)
The ME has been steeped in violence for thousands of years. They have never had our freedoms or tolerance. The best case scenario has been the iron fisted rule of dictators, where there is no civil war, but if anyone criticizes or fails to follow religious law, they get killed or punished in some horrid fashion. And a handy way to resolve disputes or jealousies is to fabricate a charge where an enemy insulted the Prophet.
Sometimes I think the only way to deal with the ME is to hurry up and cut them out of our energy portfolio, and then build a huge dome locking them in where they can’t do any more carnage outside of their borders. Sneak out the poets and the reformers, and leave the extremists to stew in their own hatred. At least they would be contained.
Karen, your thoughts on this subject are genuine, no doubt, but with every paragraph I infer that you simply refuse to see both sides of this story.
For instance, you write, “I guarantee you that if another racist hate group sprouted in the US, no one would be saying, hey, give it a hundred years to contain. Nope. It would be stamp it out, tout suite, and there would be massive rioting. These threats do, in fact, pop up all the time under various dictatorships in the ME.”
You’re arguing for containing ISIS and radical hate groups when it was the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel who paved the way for ISIS if not directly installed it. It’s Saddam’s former Republican Guard carrying on the Muslim denominational war. It’s a third-world in which the combatants have all the power over the citizenry because we gave them their weapons. Place blame where it should be.
The US is the greatest bully of them all. What on earth are you talking about when it is the US that is trying to control the Middle East, not the other way around?
Why do we, Israel, and Pakistan get nuclear weapons but Iran and Syria don’t? Are they more immoral that we are? Which is the sole country to have actually used a nuclear weapon against human beings?
We’ve installed more dictators in foreign countries than we’ve had presidents, but you call others radicals?
Apparently, you want to continue this post-Soviet empire building at the expense of vulnerable innocent people and our impressionable young military service members because of radicals in the Middle East. We’ve got enough radicals here to contain.
Your argument is a moral one, that the US should be the world’s police. I think it’s naive to not look at the bigger picture. By the same token, the 1% and the MIC love you for it. It’s as if they’re your puppeteers, and you’re tied to their strings.
steve – do you want Iran and Syria to have nukes?
Karen: You say we’ve done a good job of containing the KKK, after a century of lynching and terrorist threats. Do you expect a more expedited response against ISIS from Middle Eastern states?
steveg:
The KKK is a fringe group, despised by the overwhelming majority of people in the US, including Christians. As for containing them, we have vigorous free speech rights. So people are free to say and think completely moronic or bigoted ideas. But they are not allowed to terrorize, or lynch, or harm anyone. They have been defanged, and now they are a handful of people running around in cowardly hoods looking like idiots.
So, yes, we have done a good job of containing the KKK. If they tried to lynch anyone again, or regain their reign of terror, I predict hundreds of thousands of people would descend on the area to protest, the FBI would investigate, and there would be a massive law enforcement manhunt. My own grandfather stopped a KKK mob in its tracks with his shotgun. Today’s KKK is nothing like its original incarnation.
I have to add to the above that replacing our oil suppliers with domestic and close ally sources would also go a long way towards removing oil from politics. Perhaps then we could cease this hypocritical friendship we have with the UAE, which differs from ISIS only be degrees.
steveg:
“You want a fascist state.” No. And I haven’t said anything to that effect, either. Where did you get that from?
“ISIS wants world domination? So, what would we do if they sent hundreds of thousands of their militants to the US to pillage our resources? Would we fight back in any way possible, including martyrs?”
This is a common excuse for ISIS. (As if anything we could have done would excuse them keeping women as slaves and killing 7 year old boys because they cursed.) I do not believe that most people understand ISIS, or the difference between the various other extremist secs.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/middleeast/isis-syria-iraq-caliphate/
#1 ISIS is Sunni. It opposes Shiite Islam, as part of the civil war that has raged since the succession after the Prophet. Saddam Hussein had oppressed the majority Sunni with his Socialist Ba’ath Party. He also used chemical warfare, and had an infamous “Red Room” where he tortured political opponents with meat hooks. But, ISIS has been no better. Now it’s working to wipe out the Shiite. Sometimes Shiite and Sunni get along, and sometimes there is bloodshed going back centuries.
#2 ISIS wants a global caliphate. That includes taking over Sweden, who hasn’t invaded anyone. They want the entire world to be Sunni Muslim. Merely converting O2 to CO2 is enough to make us their enemy.
#3 ISIS wants to bring about the End Times by starting WWIII with the “unbelievers” (including moderate Muslims)
#4 The way radical Islam works is that they push and push and push, slowly testing boundaries, steadily escalating, until there is a strong move to put them down. And then they go right back to square one and push and push and push, steadily increasing. It never stops.
#5 This region has been steeped in blood for over a thousand years. There is a tradition of tribal warfare in the UAE, and of course the omnipresent Sunni/Shiite battles, as well as the holier-than-thou battles that look much the same now as they did in the Middle Ages.
#6 We haven’t “pillaged” or confiscated anyone’s resources. I wish we did. If anyone attacks us and makes us spend our precious blood and treasure, they should owe us restitution, or at least cover our expenses incurred kicking their a%^&^. But no. We try to build democracies, roads, bridges and other really high quality infrastructure that ISIS is enjoying at this moment. We ensure that oil reaches the market, where we buy it just the same as any other nation. We don’t even get a darn coupon! How many millions of dollars did we spend putting out those oil fires in Kuwait that Saddam set, and we didn’t even get 10% off when the oil hit the market!
#7 There is no holier than thou in oil politics. If you drive a car, gas or electric, turn on a light, stay in a hospital, get an operation, or use most plastics, you are enjoying petroleum products. We are practically schizophrenic in our attitude towards oil. Oil is bad, because it pollutes, and it funds unstable regions. So we don’t like it. But we haven’t developed alternatives that are affordable and efficient yet. Getting there, but not yet. Merely increasing a fraction of a percent in green renewables leads to a massive increase in electric bills, which you should be well aware of as a Californian. That’s just a fractional increase! We don’t have the infrastructure to go completely without oil. That transition has to be gradual. And Americans oppose the Keystone pipeline, and most domestic gas exploration. So what do you want? If we shut off the gas we go back to the good old oil embargo days of the 1970s, where people spend hours waiting to buy gas at wildly inflated prices. No one would drive anywhere, the price of milk would skyrocket, and people would chop down trees to heat their homes. So until we DO have a 100% green renewable portfolio that the poor and middle class can afford, then we have to protect our access to oil on the world market. Believe me, I can’t wait until we get there, either. The ME will lose its one, single export, and maybe it’ll get defanged. Plus it will be better for the environment. But if we just shut off the switch because we don’t like oil, then we will denude our forests very quickly, and pollute our air with smoke.
#8 We didn’t fight the Iraq war over oil. We fought because Saddam said he was going to nuke us, and didn’t allow inspectors in. And he had a history of using WMD in his chemical warfare with the poor Kurds. (I recall hearing an interview with a woman whose lungs had been scorched by the chemical gas. Poor lady. Scarred tissue can’t breathe no matter what medication you take.) By no means, did we covet Iraq’s resource and then just go take them. We wouldn’t be in debt now, would we?
#9 Iraq mess was cleaned up when Obama took office. He should have squashed ISIS the second it reared its head, as it’s a bloody region with a bloody history. But he didn’t. He dismissed them as JV. I think it was one of the worst mistakes of his presidency, second only to Obamacare.
#10 ISIS could claim to have the goal of eradicating animal cruelty or saving the whale. Once it started kidnapping and enslaving women, raping them and forcing them to take birth control so they can rape them longer, killing kids, beheading journalists, burning people alive, etc, the thinking man should no longer care in the slightest as to their “motivation” or whether their goals are lofty.
My father could explain the Middle East situation much more succinctly and in greater depth, as it was one of his specialties. Alas, I can only stumble through.
“The revival of the caliphate is the launching pad for a global battlefield. No caliph can govern without pursuing offensive jihad, and that jihad will continue, as Dabiq put it, until “the shade of the blessed flag will expand until it covers all eastern and western extents of the Earth.”” We’d better take this seriously, if we don’t want to be exterminated. How much has domestic terrorism (from the plethora of radical Islamic extremists) escalated in the last few years? Project that trend out 20 years, and what can you envision as the new “normal” here in the US?
And as for your defense of Po, I do not address him directly anymore because he has said the most disturbing, vile, disgusting things to me. It’s an exercise in futility to keep reasoning with an irrational mind that has displayed some rather violent fantasies about women. I suggest you review his statements, in full, over the past 6 months, before you come to any conclusions as to his rationality or sincerity. (Such as the part where he claimed to be Mexican after he’d already claimed to be African.) For instance, why does he keep arguing so vehemently and emotionally with people who condemn the actions of ISIS, (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, et al) and not modern moderate Muslims? As soon as anyone tosses a gay man off a building in the name of radical Islam, he is right there offended that anyone dare criticize.
My father could explain the Middle East situation much more succinctly and in greater depth, as it was one of his specialties. Alas, I can only stumble through.
The only true thing you have said all year, karen. Stumble through you surely you are doing…
1 ISIS is Sunni. It opposes Shiite Islam, as part of the civil war that has raged since the succession after the Prophet. Saddam Hussein had oppressed the majority Sunni with his Socialist Ba’ath Party. He also used chemical warfare, and had an infamous “Red Room” where he tortured political opponents with meat hooks. But, ISIS has been no better. Now it’s working to wipe out the Shiite. Sometimes Shiite and Sunni get along, and sometimes there is bloodshed going back centuries.
You don’t even know that sadaam was sunni himself, and that rather than oppress the majority sunni, he preferred it, since the minority shiite, he feared, was being manipulated by Iran…hahaha, what a silly woman you are karen. So ignorant yet so opinionated!
There was no civil war raging since the Prophet, Iraq knew shiite and sunnis sharing the same families, intermarrying…all of which ended when Bush listened to his Father who told him to invade Iraq for they had WMDs, despite the fact that all of the inspectors told him there were no wmd’s… Here is your reality check.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hah5LdB5HOI
#5 This region has been steeped in blood for over a thousand years. There is a tradition of tribal warfare in the UAE, and of course the omnipresent Sunni/Shiite battles, as well as the holier-than-thou battles that look much the same now as they did in the Middle Ages.
Well, the UAE became the UAE only in 1971, that’s far too recent to be engaged in tribal warfare since the middle ages!
Sigh!
Karen, you are truly bad a this…thank you for proving without a doubt that my suspicions were true all along. You truly have no idea what you are talking about.
as for the rest of your diatribe… wish it were on paper so I can crumble it and toss it in the trash… the worse historical reconstruction this side of Paul’s.
But just to leave you with these couple of tidbits:
1- Isis was created from Sadaam’s old army generals, which was disbanded after we took over.
2- Isis started by fighting for sunni iraqis against the sadr brigades and other shia militias that were running iraq, and those shia (shiites) militias? paid by your tax dollars to maintain order.
3-Where is Isis currently? Syria. Who lives in Syria? Sunnis and Alawites, not too many shiites.
How many times did you fail geopolitics 101 karen?
Now worries, your friend Po is here to teach you for free.
Enjoy!
Yes…and he should go wide and state the essential point: so far humanity is a failure in containing its evils.
REASONS FOR MUCH:
http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2016/05/president-putin-claims-queen-elizabeth-is-not-human-2490042.html
Isaac, the more you speak, the more you reveal the depth of your ignorance, and it indeed is hell deep!
First off, you keep asserting the one god, one prophet nonsense. That could not be any more false for the quran asserts itself as an extension of ALL the previous prophets and messages, yes, including Moses and Jesus, as the updated message from the same God.
One is NOT a muslim unless one believes in the continuity of the message and of prophethood.
Secondly, perhaps I would not use the quran as reference for my arguments if you took the time to clarify whom you are referring to. What is Islam to you? You keep speaking of the pedophile prophet (which is Spinilli spineless but let bury that right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw05XUx0CrM) then talk about a comic book, yet you do not allow me to refer to that comic book?
It is as silly as discussing gun ownership in the US outside of the second amendment.
So, yes, you confirm not having read the quran but still feel empowered to discuss its contents? Are you serious? And you deem yourself intellectually honest? Would you speak of this particular post by prof Turley without reading the post? No you wouldn’t!
I agree with you that there is mindlessness in religion, but that mindlessness is not present in religion alone, as I have shown in my earlier posts. You are displaying it quite effectively right now and you are not religious. Or are you?
The facts are that we have precedents of people across religion and ethnicity living together harmoniously, so if religious wars happen, perhaps we ought to figure out why?
rwanda, not religious…outside factor? Belgium!
yugoslavia, ehtnic but not religious…outside factor? NATO
All of south america…all of it catholic so not religious…outside factor? US support of juntas and dictators
The Congo…not religious..outside factor? Us support of Mobutu
Haiti…not religious…outside factor? US
Ukraine…not religious…outside factor? US/NATO
Palestine…not religious for jews, Christians and Muslims lived harmoniously…outside factor? The west.
You want more?
Steve
Po consistently diverts to discussions regarding the koran and all the inoffensive aspects of Islam. Nobody who has tried to read that cumbersome and redundant tome, and I have, wishes to discuss it. The mere fact that Po refers to the authority of the koran puts him in a place apart from the common person, to which I belong. Imagine, if you can, a conversation on this blog between a Muslim who, regardless of being familiar with the book, believes its words. One may as well carry on discussions with rabbis, bishops, etc. The bottom line is that Islam may in some cases be an inoffensive way for some to deal with the universal questions and to guide some through an inability to think for themselves, but for others, who number far too many, it is the end all be all and places the believer above those who don’t believe in a flying pedophile.
There is religion and then there is religious extremism. One is the vehicle of both. The extreme end of the fairy tale must be contained by the base believers or they are just as complicit in the crimes of the extremists. ISIS exists because of the chaos created by both the Muslims who would sooner cut the throat of some one who picked the wrong relative of the flying prophet than join together in the so called revered statements of that prophet as well as the colonialists from the West. The religion and the area have had, however, decades with unlimited funding to sort out their nonsense. That is the problem. All they have is this feeling of being closer, better, holier. The power brokers use it to keep them in place. When a person believes that there is only one god and this or that prophet is the man, then they sort of shut out other points of view. By its very statement, ‘there is no other’ or ‘this is it’, or whatever absolute fist thumping iteration the believer places themselves above those who disagree and the rest is history.
There is a mindlessness in religion just as there is a mindfulness. Unfortunately they are connected to the same sword. By Po’s very insistence to debate the issue through the koran and not through the actions of the thugs that carry it, he leaves the common ground that invites all opinions. The result of all opinions being accepted as equal is the dissolution of the belief that there is ‘only one god’, ‘only one prophet’, ‘a set of rules to follow instead of thinking’, etc.
The solution to the evils of Islam are only to be found in the good and responsibility of Islam. So far Islam is a failure in containing its evils.
Issac writes, “So far Islam is a failure in containing its evils.” And Christianity?
Steve, if you’re referring to po’s rebuttals, I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking.
That’s a good enough excuse, Paul, just bring me a doctor’s note next time.
po – just your asking violates the ADA.
Po
The IDF and the atrocities Israel has committed, is committing, and will, unfortunately, commit while it ethnically cleanses its land in the name of its mumbo jumbo is but another example of religion giving the followers of the ‘faith’ the freedom to go backwards in time and stick to that old adage, that we are all equal but we are ‘the chosen’, the faithful, the retarded, and we have the bigger stick. You seem to miss the one point that tanks your position. You can point out all these human shortcomings, except of course your own, and keep your head. Even in Israel one can speak out against the atrocities committed by Israel. However, among some other backward nations, the Islamic ones seem to be at the forefront in chopping off the head of the complainer. I would never visit a religiously oriented nation for the simple fact that I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. I would like to visit these ancient places but I probably would not make it back.
Po, you would be beheaded in an instant if Sharia law systems were instituted in the US. You are completely missing the point. This is not about Islam but about the freedoms and advances Islam would take if permitted. And, Karen’s example of your logic is as clear as can be. You seem to justify Islamic evil because evil exists elsewhere as well. That is simply retarded, or in defense of Islam perhaps.
issac – po is the local apologist for Islam.
Isaac, you are missing the point, completely.
Lest you, Paul and karen keep asserting this nonsense, I don’t justify nothing or apologize for islam. In fact, what I keep asking and neither of you has been able to step up and address it is what makes up islam? My questions to you are in response to your tendency to conflate things, speaking in terms of them and us, of east and west, or islam and secular west, terms you throw around but are unable, so far, define.
Of Karen and I, I am the only one who has so far condemn any act of terror, violence or oppression from all sides, including and especially the mUslim one. Yet you and karen are both framing the deabte in terms of that side bad, this side good…which is quite a bit hypocritical considering what we know, as Steve points out.
If your issues with islam tend to be found within an arab population that is less than 20% of the muslim population, only dishonesty and deception would dictate you frame the whole of islam based on that 20%.
Po, you would be beheaded in an instant if Sharia law systems were instituted in the US.
That’s BS. You obviously have no idea what shariah law is. Shariah law is already in effect here, same as judaic law and biblical law. Anytime I seek out my imam for help resolving a civil issue, for getting married, for naming my newborn, for marital counseling, that is shariah law.
Additionally, the polls are quite clear, american Muslims have no interest in applying shariah law here, that is only a fascination of islamophobes and ignorant people. Islam has been here as long far back as the first slaves, you have yet to meet one muslims asking for shariah law, despite the continuous waves of Muslims from every part of the globe who have immigrated here for centuries.
Meanwhile, my questions to you remain unanswered.
Please respond:
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Let’s step back and do this properly.
1- What composes the secular west? Is it the US? Britain? France? Hungary? Is it western europe with US? Is it eastern europe too? What makes it secular? Is it the state? The population? Some groups within?
2- What composes islamic cultures?
Is it a country? Traditions? The religion? Is it the population? Is it Saudi arabia? Iran? Indonesia? Does it include all muslims everywhere or just in some areas.
Please answer, let’s clarify your terms and let’s go from there
po – this is a place to discuss the topic de jure, not debate.
spoken by no less than Mr off-topic.
For me it is a recognized medical condition. What is your excuse? 😉
Haha, Paul, apparently not, you want to debate but solely on your terms…and just like hillary, you refuse to answer the questions that would doom you… very safe
You do think highly of yourself.
The logic seems to go, if someone in Michigan robs a bank, you have no right to criticize extremists shooting a 7 year old kid in the Middle East.
Absolutely ludicrous.
Po
The difference, for your clarification, is that in many Islamic countries, the ones Muslims seem to overlook, you go to jail or worse for pointing out the shortcomings of leadership, etc. That’s the bottom line. If you spit on the bible in a Western nation, you can call it art. If you spit on the koran pretty much anywhere, heads will roll. There are some secular nations that are inhabited mainly by Muslims but generally speaking the whole scene is medieval, where we came from, where we should never return, where freedoms and rights are dictated by idiots that are held sacred. At least in the secular West we can call a spade a spade, an idiot an idiot, etc. Just watch the circus going on with Trump and Clinton. Regardless of what one may think, one is permitted to, not only think it but to speak it. Not the case in the glorious East, secular China, Islamic Iran, and so on. It’s not so much Islam against the whole rest of the world. It’s more like Islam is a piece in the non sensical puzzle, along with other religions, dictatorships, etc. At least in China they just squeeze and say it’s for the good of the country. They don’t bring pedophiles and other mumbo jumbo into it. Islam might make some sense if it didn’t have the pedophile Mohammed involved; riding on a horse to heaven, and so on. At least China is evolving out of their BS. Islam seems to be sinking deeper into its BS.
po – Indians or Native Americans also practiced genocide. Someday you might read up on the Indians in North and South America and see what nice peaceful people some of them were. The Comanches were famous for slaving. As were several of the Sioux tribes.
There seem to be a lot of weirdos who come out of the closet anytime there is an article outlining yet another hideous murder or other atrocity at the hands of extremists. One has merely to condemn such acts, as any thinking human being would do, and there is intense and highly personal pushback.
Very telling…
Karen S
1, May 10, 2016 at 4:06 pm
There seem to be a lot of weirdos who come out of the closet anytime there is an article outlining yet another hideous murder or other atrocity at the hands of extremists. One has merely to condemn such acts, as any thinking human being would do, and there is intense and highly personal pushback.
Very telling…
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Agree with you, karen, condemn this, a pregnant woman, mother of 2 shot down by IDf, when her 15 year old brother ran to help, they shot him too. http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/israel-refuses-to-release-video-of-palestinian-siblings-shooting
I am condemning this hideous murder and atrocity, you are pushing back.
Very telling…
issacbasonkavich
1, May 10, 2016 at 3:39 pm
Po
The difference between the secular West and the Islamic cultures is that both have brought about greatness in various fields and endeavors, both have shown mercy and taught annihilation, both have expressed the be…
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Another statement that you are unable to back up, Isaac, you are saying a lot, none of it you can support. Comparing secular west to islamic cultures makes no sense at all, for neither means absolutely nothing. So comparing those two is pretty idiotic.
Let’s step back and do this properly.
1- What composes the secular west? Is it the US? Britain? France? Hungary? Is it western europe with US? Is it eastern europe too? What makes it secular? Is it the state? The population? Some groups within?
2- What composes islamic cultures?
Is it a country? Traditions? The religion? Is it the population? Is it Saudi arabia? Iran? Indonesia? Does it include all muslims everywhere or just in some areas.
Please answer, let’s clarify your terms and let’s go from there.
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The difference between the secular West and the Islamic cultures is that both have brought about greatness in various fields and endeavors, both have shown mercy and taught annihilation, both have expressed the best and the worst that human kind has to offer, however, the secular West’s one great endeavor has been to move forward into a world of common sense, common concerns, and common laws. The secular West has its share of faults which any bozo off the bus can google. However, the secular West defends the everyman and everywoman under the laws made by everyman and everywoman, whereas the Islamic culture still slogs along with the fairy stories written in 1500 year old books, righteous because they were written 1500 years ago by pedophiles and defended in whatever version is most convenient at the moment for a bunch of bearded and toweled pedophiles.
The bottom line is that Islam today is not much different than Christianity 700 hundred years ago, when if one had the audacity to speak out one would be burned at the stake. There may be a lot of redeeming aspects of Islam but evolving to a world where the gifts gods, if there are any or one or whatever, gave mankind has are to be used, is not one of them. We live in a time on the cusp of the future and the future is where religion is nothing more than a personal belief system that takes second place to the laws made, changed, and preserved by mankind. After all mankind created religion with all its mumbo jumbo, gods, and trappings, or perhaps it was extraterrestrials.
Islam is nothing more than a religion and therefore cannot compete with the very entity that created it, mankind. If you want to believe in some pedophile and some superior being responsible for thinking where you find yourself wanting, fine. Don’t give that mumbo jumbo any more value than it merits. That’s when things go crazy. Read the papers. It’s being played out right now in the cesspools of the world where religion is the weapon du jour. Islam is the religion du jour.