Islamic State militants gave the world yet another shocking atrocity this week by executing a 7-year-old Syrian boy in front of his parents because he cursed. ISIS insists that Islamic justice, or Sharia, demanded that the boy be shot.
The boy was accused of “cursing divinity” while playing in the street with his friends. He was taken before an Islamic court which held that “the act was considered an insult to the Caliphate, regardless of the age of the boy.” He was killed in front of a crowd and his sobbing parents made to watch.
Another victory for Sharia “law” and the great Caliphate.
Paul Schulte
1, May 10, 2016 at 2:34 pm
po – at Hiroshima and Nagasaki we actually were trying to save lives, ours and theirs, It was estimated that an invasion of the Japanese home islands would cost 1 million Allied lives and at least that many Japanese lives. The Japanese fought to the death and thought it was cowardly to surrender.
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Yep, Paul, kill them to save them. Just as we did to the vietnamese and the Iraqis… We are quite good at that.
WE enslaved the Africans to save them too, and we too genocided the Native Americans to save them… and please don’t bring up that Africans were slave traders too…and also please don’t make the idiotic claim, again, that the native americans were killing one another already anyway.
Let us note that there are 2 questions unanswered by Paul. Nice attempt at distraction.
po – Arabs were and are part of the slave trade in Africa. The Koran allows slavery, remember. Didn’t you own a slave? As for the Vietnamese, we were fighting to keep the Communists out of the south. About Iraq, we, along with 30 other nations, were driving them out of Kuwait, which they had invaded. They had a 1 million man army. We had about 300,000 troops.
Paul, the koran made freeing one’s slave an article of faith.
Still avoiding my questions 🙂
po – I am avoiding your nonsense.
Po
The difference is that here in the West when we commit crimes, the crimes you listed, we get to face them, call them crimes, attempt to learn from them, and call them what they are, crimes committed by criminals like Bush and his handlers. We try and learn. We don’t always learn. However, we go in the forward direction. In the Islamic countries where they commit these crimes, they justify them with the comic books and idiots wearing towels around their heads, that interpret fairy stories.
” I am willing to bet their numbers are greater.”
Christian, Jews, and Buddhists have not killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism in any more than a handful of cases in the past 3000 years.
Atheists and current Islamists, on the other hand…
“She has been corrected a thousand times”
She has never been corrected about Islam, because she’s not been incorrect.
Repeatedly exclaiming “No it isn’t!” does not supply a meaningful correction.
Inalienable, Karen is part of those shadow groups who point fingers at others in order to distract us why their keep implementing their plan. She has been corrected a thousand times by everyone here but she keeps spouting her narrative.
WE know who is pulling her strings!
po – now you think Karen has a puppet-master. Are you getting paranoid? Has CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood given you a new set of orders?
Paul, 2 questions waiting for you, still scared?
po – the last person that would scare me is you.
Paul Schulte
1, May 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm
po – Bin Ladin did it because he was a Muslim who did not want Westerners in the ME.
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Paul, McVeigh did it because he was a Christian who was angry about… let me just quote him directly:
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I explain herein why I bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I explain this not for publicity, nor seeking to win and argument of right or wrong. I explain so that the record is clear as to my thinking and motivations in bombing a government installation.
I chose to bomb a federal building because such an action served more purposes than other options. Foremost, the bombing was a retaliatory strike; a counter attack, for the cumulative raids (and subsequent violence and damage) that federal agents had participated in over the preceding years (including, but not limited to, Waco.) From the formation of such units as the FBI”s “Hostage Rescue” and other assault teams amongst federal agencies during the “80”s; culminating in the Waco incident, federal actions grew increasingly militaristic and violent, to the point where at Waco, our government – like the Chinese – was deploying tanks against its own citizens.
Knowledge of these multiple and ever-more aggressive raids across the country constituted an identifiable pattern of conduct within and by the federal government and amongst its various agencies. (see enclosed) For all intents and purposes, federal agents had become “soldiers” (using military training, tactics, techniques, equipment, language, dress, organization, and mindset) and they were escalating their behavior. Therefore, this bombing was also meant as a pre-emptive (or pro-active) strike against these forces and their command and control centers within the federal building. When an aggressor force continually launches attacks from a particular base of operation, it is sound military strategy to take the fight to the enemy.
Additionally, borrowing a page from U.S. foreign policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government. Bombing the Murrah Federal Building was morally and strategically equivalent to the U.S. hitting a government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations. (see enclosed) Based on observations of the policies of my own government, I viewed this action as an acceptable option. From this perspective, what occurred in Oklahoma City was no different than what Americans rain on the heads of others all the time, and subsequently, my mindset was and is one of the clinical detachment. (the bombing of the Murrah building was not personal , no more than when Air Force, Army, Navy, or Marine personnel bomb or launch cruise missiles against government installations and their personnel.)
I hope that this clarification amply addresses your question.
Sincerely,
Timothy J. McVeigh
USP Terre Haute (IN)
Interesting how that fits Bin Ladin’s argument for 9/11 exactly!
If you think that McVeigh bombed that building, I have an Oceanfront lot here in MO to sell you. Quit being a useful idiot and educate yourself:
A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995.Documentary 2011
InalienableWrights – McVeigh confessed and then refused to appeal so I am going to take his word for it.
You are not only a useful idiot then you are extremely gullible. The FACTS happen to say that he not only did not do it, he could not have done it.
InalienableWrights – I ask you again. Who did it and send a cite.
po – McVeigh acted in revenge of Waco, I said that. I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying Bin Laden is not Muslim and did not act from Muslim motives?
Are you really so uneducated, in the Internet age, to believe the government told fairy tales about the OK city bombing and 911?
It is really difficult today to be that misinformed. It really is….
InalienableWrights – one of the problems with the Internet is that anyone can put anything on it. So, you don’t believe McVeigh (who confessed and died for it) did it. Who is your choice?
Po sees nothing …NOTHING!!
Nothing to see here about Islam.
Move along.
“10 MAY 2016 Munich knife attack: One dead as man shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ attacks four at train station in Grafing, Germany
Elsewhere in Europe today, Italian police have arrested two Afghan men on suspicion of planning to carry out terrorist attacks in Britain and Italy, including targets in London and the Colosseum in Rome.
The two men, named as Hakim Nasiri, 23, and Gulistan Ahmadzai, 29, were arrested in the southern city of Bari, on the Adriatic coast“
The west, the west, oh so moral, the west:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI
isaac:
You are right. The presence of religious police in some countries, as well as pressures ranging from castigation, failure to get a good marriage, all the way to beatings and murder, renders religious garb involuntary for women in extremist regions. The only areas where it is voluntary, with absolutely zero pressure, would be in Western areas, or those few that still have moderate views. Even here in the US, there are families who forbid their daughters to go out of the house without a hijab. There are also families here who are perfectly fine with the women not wearing any veil at all.
In Iran, some women wear the chador, while others the roosari. Although young people are pushing back, daring to show a bit of hair, the women still have to at least wear rain coats and roosari. No matter how hot it is. And who the heck designed a chador? You have to hold it closed with your teeth. Literally. So if you have a baby on your hip and groceries in the other, you have to walk around gripping your silly chador with your teeth. And you can’t change the design. Totally stuck with it. School children have a kind of veil that is kind of like a simplified roosari. It sure as heck is not voluntary.
Any claim that religious garb is completely voluntary in the Middle East, with no negative repercussions, is either ludicrous or deliberately untrue.
How do we know what Muslim women really think about the veil? When they move here to the West, far fewer wear any veil than they do in the Middle East. When given the freedom to choose, most choose not to wear it.
so karen what do we make o fthose in great numbers who wear it int he west?
And what do we make of those in greater numbers who don’t wear it in north african and west africa?
What do we make of thos orthodox jews who wear head covering?
What about Christian nuns?
Such ignorance, such relentless ignorance!
Yep, western values we displayed in Vietnam, in Hiroshima and nagazaki, the white phosphorus in Falluja where babies are born deformed, in Laos, where land mines an cluster bombs still kill children and women
western values of murdering pregnant women
Of sponsering every dictator around the gobe, and armign them to murder their own citizens…
Saudi Arabia oppresses women? Wonder who supports and enables them?
This is the west a play: http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bombing-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki
And this, oh karen, let us be so proud!
po – at Hiroshima and Nagasaki we actually were trying to save lives, ours and theirs, It was estimated that an invasion of the Japanese home islands would cost 1 million Allied lives and at least that many Japanese lives. The Japanese fought to the death and thought it was cowardly to surrender.
As a sidenote, the number killed and injured in those attacks is lower than the fire bombing of Tokyo the month before.
steveg:
ISIS wants world domination. They also oppose Western values. They murder moderate Muslims. Whether we ever set foot on Middle Eastern soil, there are extremists who violently oppress Western values such as equality and education for women. Boko Haram’s very name declares their opposition to Western values. They still engage in sexual slavery of women under their brand of extremism. And there are individual sects, like ISIS, that want a global Islamic caliphate and End Times.
It is not our fault that extremists let Muslim girls burn to death in their school because they would not let them out without their hijab. It is not our fault that ISIS wants a global caliphate.
Unless you consider merely having Western values provocation enough. If we were all extremists in ISIS’ image, then they would not have a problem with us. But that’s the only scenario in which this would be true.
The Crusades were fought to beat back Muslim expansion, when they tried to dominate the entire globe. We would all be under extremist Islamic rule if it was not for the Crusades. All that lovely Moorish architecture in Portugal was not the result of a good will effort. We are seeing the rise of extremist Muslim expansion again. Formerly secular governments, friendly to tourists, like Turkey and Egypt, have slid down into the black hole of extremism. And terrorist attacks are becoming common around the globe. Who would have thought a few years ago that here in America we would have a beheading in Oklahoma, the Boston Marathon Massacre, l the other attacks, large and small, that happen every year?
By blaming ourselves for the actions of howling mad homicidal maniac extremists, we fail to understand their motivation, or protect ourselves. We could send ISIS a fruit basket every year and withdraw from the ME, and their response would be glee that they now have less opposition to over-running the region, and spreading outward. They won’t say, great, now we can all be friends. Anyone who would kill a 7 year old, or put women into slavery, cannot be reasoned with or befriended.
Karen what you fail to recognize is that the west, both directly and indirectly has funded and guided extremism in the Muslim world.
The West is also purposely bringing them in as a 5th column into both Europe and the US. Once they have destroyed both places, then the New World Order will be easier for the elites to implement.That is their plan…
Karen S:
You’re my fellow Californian, so I’m disheartened by your thoughts.
ISIS wants world domination? So, what would we do if they sent hundreds of thousands of their militants to the US to pillage our resources? Would we fight back in any way possible, including martyrism?
We’ve butchered hundreds of thousands over there, all for god, corps, and country according to the Fourth Branch and the MIC. You want a fascist state? You’ve got it.
You can remain brainwashed if you like. I’ve had enough of it.
steve – you think ISIS would finish the train to nowhere?
Paul, why don’t you answer Po’s questions rather than diverting to an absolutely irrelevant issue?
I don’t know why you and KCFleming are dissing him. He’s completely thrashed the arguments of both of you, and I might add he’s done so with a certain fluidity that would bring out in an intelligent person a certain pause for self-reflection.
steve – why should I answer po’s question(s) when I either have or he has not answered mine? Fair is fair, right? He wants a debate but has yet to propose a resolution to be debated.
Paul writes, “[Po] wants a debate but has yet to propose a resolution to be debated.”
Gosh, Paul, do we really need to invoke Robert’s Rules of Order?
KCFleming writes, “Steve, if you’re referring to po’s rebuttals, I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking.”
Apart from Hawaiian Punch, you believe Po’s rebuttals are less than insightful after how completely rhetorical and intended to wear Po down to silence your arguments are. Apparently, he’s not having any of it, and he’s a going it alone against your tag team. It kind of reminds me of Bugs Bunny against Yosemite Sam and Elmer Fudd if I didn’t know Elmer was someone else on this list.
*not just wrong but…
issacbasonkavich
1, May 10, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Po
In the end there are many Muslims, Christians, Jews, and other varieties of believers in the fantastic who ‘keep it to themselves’. However, the big religious problem of the moment is Islam and its fanatic fantastic. The West with its secular societies should never allow religious laws a place in our society. History has shown that to be an unworkable condition vis a vis evolution and all that. The aesthetic stuff is cool, music, art, architecture, but the impositions right up to chopping off of heads has got to go.
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The interesting thing is that in places such as Saudi Arabia, Isaac, they say the same thing about secularism. They say they are okay as long as they keep it to themselves.
A fundamentalist is a fundamentalist even without religion. Anyone who eschews cohabitation and demands others refrain from normal practice of their creed falls in that category, and it is both the fundamentalist atheists and the fundamentalist religious. Sam Harris and Isis.
You are an extremist and a fundamentalist, Isaac, just as most of those of your church, the new atheists, are.
As for religious laws, all of our moral laws have a religious origin..short of redoing society from scratch I don’t see how you would do it. And then replace those laws with what?
And as for religious laws… please do your research, you are doing yourself a deservice when discussing religion, especially islam, MOST MAJORITY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.
You are using the exception to speak of the rule, which is not wrong but rather illogical.
Isaac, are you really spouting knowledge about a book you have never read? You have NEVER read the quran yet want to tell us what is in it? How dishonest is that?
This is a book that was written 1500 years, that offers all kinds of facts about the future, about science, geology, medicine, society, and that challenges its doubters to write one verse like it…this is a book that has been attacked for 1500 years by thousands upon thousands of people, and that yet remains unscathed. And you, wise Isaac, who has never read it, never held it, never opened it and put your eyes upon any of its words, you Isaac who knows only what he finds picked out of context on islamophobic websites, dare to say that it is a comic book? 🙂
By the way, Isaac, everything you attack religion for, has been done in greater numbers and in worse manners by non-religious forces.
Everything you blame the Middle eastern people for has been done in greater numbers and worse manner by your dear west.
Yep, Stalin and Mussolini were both middle eastern and religious.
Yep, the iraq war and the destruction of Libya were done by middle eastern religious people
Yep, Vietnam was done by same. Napalm, atomic bomb, Congo, Falluja, white phosphorus, cluster bombs, F16, tanks, weapons of mass destruction…I wouldn’t be so proud of the west’s record of human rights and freedoms, Isaac.
You know where you don’t find the leading cause of pregnancy death as murder? The Middle east. You find it in the west, US of A.
There is no worse statistics than that, is there?
Additionally, what constitutes the west?
Po
In the end there are many Muslims, Christians, Jews, and other varieties of believers in the fantastic who ‘keep it to themselves’. However, the big religious problem of the moment is Islam and its fanatic fantastic. The West with its secular societies should never allow religious laws a place in our society. History has shown that to be an unworkable condition vis a vis evolution and all that. The aesthetic stuff is cool, music, art, architecture, but the impositions right up to chopping off of heads has got to go.
Isaac, as I say, you are conflating a whole bunch of things that are separate one from the other.
1- do Muslim women walk around in bedsheets from the top to the bottom because they like the style or is this a condition forced upon them by the males who dominate them and their lives? I have heard nine out of ten women state that they do it, from bed sheets to scarves, because otherwise they would be subjected to being ostracized or even beaten, jailed, or worse.
That is a fallacious argument, for ask yourself how many women wear “bedsheets”” vs how many don’t?
Those bedsheets are found mostly in Saudi Arabia, which is a tiny minority of muslims. Even in Iran, which has more Muslims than S.Arabia, few do. Even in Nigeria, also more Muslims than S. Arabia, few do. In Syria, few do. In Iraq, few do In the US, how many of those bedsheets do you see? In France? Germany? China? In Senegal, 95% Muslim, how many bedsheets do you see? Even pakistan?
Where were those 9 women out of 10 from?
My mother never wore the hijab, nor did my sister. Of all the muslims women I personally know, one wears the hijab (the scarf), none the “bedsheet.””
I’ll let women themselves answer you. https://www.buzzfeed.com/taniasafi/this-is-what-hijabi-women-want-you-to-know?utm_term=.gqNq7jO75#.kxyw8E48y
As for small number of muslim women having same rights and freedoms as western women, when American women were fighting for the right to vote, muslims women were already state leaders in other countries. We are in 2016, and perhaps in 2017 we’ll have first woman president int he US, meanwhile…from wiki
Movements for Muslim women to seek roles in national leadership have increased rapidly. Greater opportunities for women in education have further encouraged their involvement in politics.[1] The most prominent Muslim female leaders are former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto (served 1988-1990 and 1993-1996), Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri (elected 2001), former Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller (served 1993-1995), former Senegalese President Mame Madior Boye (elected 2001), Bangladeshi Prime Ministers Begum Khaleda Zia (served 1991-96 and 2001–06) and Sheikh Hasina Wajed (first elected in 1996), former Iranian vice president Masoumeh Ebtekar (served from 1997 to 2005), Malian president Cissé Mariam Kaïdama Sidibé (elected in 2011), current President of Kosovo Atifete Jahjaga (elected in 2011), and current President of Mauritius Bibi Ameenah Firdaus Gurib-Fakim (elected in 2015).
Dar al-Ifta al-Misriyyah, an Islamic institute that advises Egypt’s ministry of justice, issued a fatwa stating that female rulers and judges are allowed in Islam.[2]
The Qur’an contains verses that appear to support the role of women in politics, such as its mention of the Queen of Sheba, who represented a ruler who consulted with and made important decisions on behalf of her people.[3] Further, the Hadith provides numerous examples of women having public leadership roles. Muhammad’s first wife Khadija bint Khuwaylid was his chief adviser as well as his first and foremost supporter. His third wife Aisha Abu Bakr, a well-known authority in medicine, history, and rhetoric, often accompanied the Prophet to battles, even leading an army at the Battle of the Camel.[1]
Though leadership opportunities for Muslim women are cemented in religious text and continue to expand today, earlier generations had different understandings of women’s roles.[1]
Po
Ask yourself, honestly, do Muslim women walk around in bedsheets from the top to the bottom because they like the style or is this a condition forced upon them by the males who dominate them and their lives? I have heard nine out of ten women state that they do it, from bed sheets to scarves, because otherwise they would be subjected to being ostracized or even beaten, jailed, or worse. This has been through the media as well as personal encounters. Perhaps there is a small percentage of Muslim women that experience the freedoms and equalities of Western women but predominantly women do what they are told or suffer the consequences in the Muslim world. The rare exceptions do not make the rule or the religion any more palatable. In the West it is the inverse. There are rare cases where women are treated as Muslim women are typically treated. However, the societal direction of the west is away from this behavior and attitude. In the Muslim world this attitude is a mainstay of life and society. How many women state honestly that they wear a scarf because it links them to their religion. A scarf is a piece of clothing. Religion is of the mind and spirit. It is somewhat pathetic if people have to advertise that which is supposed to need no advertisement. Let’s face it Po, it is lame. It is at the back end of the evolutionary experience. It should remain outside of the West.
As far as the koran is concerned it is nothing more than a comic book that is read differently by different people depending on how off the beam they are as human beings. The same is true with the Talmud, Old Testament, New Testament, and Torah, as well as other documents that attempt to exercise power and control of the human mind through fantastic mumbo jumbo. C’mon now Po, did a pedophile pervert by the name of Mohamed really fly to heaven on a horse. It seems that a fair chunk of the 1.5 billion Muslims believe so. If someone believes that the rules for life can come from a pedophile pervert that rides horses to heaven, then under that religion anything is possible, ie. executing 7 yr olds, tossing gays from the tops of tall buildings, chopping off heads, etc. This sort of despicable behavior is not confined to ISIS. History illustrates that when religion is relegated to its proper place, behind the laws of people, then society moves forward. Compare and contrast the Middle East with Europe and North America. Not too many people are moving the other way. The only people religion attacks are those that cannot think for themselves or are not allowed to think for themselves.
Personally I respect anyone who believes in a fairy tale as long as they keep it to themselves. The moment the secular world in which I live is affected by sharia law or other religious infringements, I get upset.
Because based on that argument, Hughes, there is no bigger sharia court than america…I wonder who is leading the world in gratuitous killings, especially of women and children?
The Courts in the USA are run by the same being who is Satan. That is why we have the system that is in place. There is a tug going on trying to change that. That is why the Homosexual is being treated better. The evil spirit is fighting Clothing optional and the bathroom issue going on right now.
No, Hughes, what do YOU mean by sharia court…
The question arises: What is Islamic about this news? Well, let’s consider the 4 Ds of Islam and see which applies: death, destruction, depravity, and deception. Obviously “death” applies here. Islam is in love with death. But a strong argument could also be made that this case involves “depravity” as well. An argument could even be made that “deception” is also involved in this case because the Islamic Court is pretending to be applying some sort of “standard” of “justice” (in their own “depraved” way) — but they were really looking for just another excuse to kill somebody, meaning the real reason was the “death” component of Islam. So, all in all, when you apply sound analysis, you have in this case three of the four Ds of Islam involved. You can’t get much more Islamic than that.
Ralph Hamas
I am sure in a real case, your theory would apply, but considering that this story never happened, you are expending much breath and spittle for nothing.
It is interesting to me that the 4 D’s you refer to were traditionally assigned to Jews. And now here you are embracing them and assigning them to others… what a crazy world this is!