As the country mourns the massacre in Orlando, the police have identified the murderer as Omar Mateen, 29, from Port St. Lucie in Florida. He was born to Afghan parents who came to this country in the 1980s. He is responsible for the largest massacre of people in U.S. history after killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub called Pulse in Orlando. Mateen reportedly called 911 shortly before the shooting and swore allegiance to the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
Mateen shows the twisted religious training of ISIS supporters, who believe that God supports their burning 19 girls alive when they refuse to be sex slaves or, in this case, massacring innocent people at a nightclub. They are told that God celebrates such atrocities as fulfillment of Islamic values.
At least 50 people were killed and 53 others were injured in the shooting.
Mateen’s father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago. So Mateen sees two men kissing and months later massacres dozens? I must confess to be a tad skeptical that there was no other influence. Mir Seddique is quoted as saying “This has nothing to do with religion.” However, his allegiance to ISIS and deep anger with homosexuals undermine that view. Indeed, he appears to be a follower of a radical Islamic cleric and ex-con.
The family is clearly traumatized and issued a statement that “We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country.” However, the Washington Post reports that the father is an outspoken supporter of the Afghan Taliban.
ABC News reported that Mateen was divorced in 2011 and was accused of a history of spousal abuse. His wife told the Washington Post that she met him online eight years ago and that was “was not a stable person.” She said that small things like not doing the laundry would result in beatings. Mateen had two firearms licenses, a security officer license and a statewide firearms license. He had worked for the security firm G4S since 2007.
His history would suggest another disturbed and violent individual drawn to ISIS, which offers religious legitimation for such anger and savagery. In 2013, Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar spoke at the Husseini Islamic Center in the Orlando suburb of Sanford, Florida, and called for death to homosexuals. He is shown in the video below as saying “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence.”
The MASS SHOOTING INDEX, documenting 4 or more injured in a single event (includes the shooter, if the shooter is shot….includes drive-by shootings, domestic violence resulting in shooting of family members,etc.) has been presented here as an example of White Christian terrorism, supposedly dwarfing any threat from Islamic terrorism.
Absent definitive knowledge that religion was a motivating factor in the MSI 353 cases cited, absent knowing if there was a nexus with some un-named Christian terrorist organization, this is merely a recycled and deliberate lie that keeps popping up here.
Darren:
“Under Florida law, a bar would be considered to be what is commonly referred to as a “gun free zone”.”
Sounds like another soft target.
Conquerers disarm the conquered. For instance, slaves were not permitted to even touch a weapon. How did that work out for them? Can you depend on the police to swoop to your rescue in every circumstance? If even one of those poor men were armed in the club, could some of the lost have been saved? They were helpless fish in a barrel. There was nothing they could do. What a helpless feeling.
It seems like the world is becoming a more dangerous place. Terrorist attacks on our own soil were completely unheard of not too long ago. Now we are getting jaded. If we’re going to be like the Middle East and Eastern Europe, and suffer the attacks of crazed maniacs more often, then we need to have at least some possibility of defending ourselves.
These terrorists represent those who enslave and rape women, throw gay men off buildings or shoot them, kill little boys for accidentally insulting their religion – in short, they are the face of pure hatred cloaked in righteousness. On the other hand, we put pretty much the entire police force into protecting gays at the Gay Pride Parade. We put people in jail who abuse women or gays or who hurt people in the name of their religion. A bouncer broke down an actual wall to get people under his charge safely out of that club. The contrast is so glaring. I am so glad and blessed to live here in the US, where we have the most robust free speech protection in the world (which I hope we don’t throw away.)
“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, ‘Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.’ To this day, especially in times of ‘disaster’, I remember my mother’s words, and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers – so many caring people in this world.” Fred Rogers (Mr Rogers)
Sorry po, it’s either/or.
You and Ali must have the same IQ.
Me? I’m with Senator Tom Cotton:
“Turn it around on these terrorists and tell them ‘Submit or die.”
Advice from Muslims on keeping them from killing us?
Priceless.
tnash80hotmailcom
1, June 13, 2016 at 11:25 am
Nick…..I’m not too worried about whether or not I convince Po that he’s consistently and speciously dismissed/ understated the threat from Islamic terrorism.
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Tom, unless you can factually challenge my claim, please let is sleep. It is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of researchers, scholars and security people, including the FBI.
And the facts bear that!
Be honest here, either counter it or let it be.
Po: tl;dr
Western civilization.
Islam.
Choose one.
Po….in your view, what would be the appropriate U.S. policy at this point re military action…..or non-action….against ISIS?
It’s easy, Tom:
1- Who supports ISIs? The Saudis, Qatar and EUA, alongside Turkey. They arm them, give them money and Turkey offers safe passage for the oil they siphon from Syria and the money and trucks it buys.
The US also supports them for having provided weapons to Saudi Arabia knowing it would go to ISis and affiliated like Al Nusra front. And for pretending to be unable to find and bomb Isis, which Russia handled effectively within a couple of weeks of it arrival in Syria.
Israel also supports Al Nusra, a known terrorist group, by protecting them and treating its injured fighters in ISraeli hospital.
Isis has been a proxy force for the west and its arab allies, alongside Turkey and Israel, to dismantle Syria and thereby weaken Iran.
Remove the support for 30,000 men, supplied through Turkey, and the Syrian government can easily take isis out. In Iraq, the shia militias can also take out Isis, with or without the help of Hezbollah and Iran. But why would the US government do that when it need Isis to do its dirty work?
Right now, the Russians want to go after all the terrorist groups in Syria, including Isis and al Nusra. Guess who is doing all types of logical pretzeling to protect al Nusra? Yes, the US.
But if you are asking what is the safest steps the US can take to insure we remain safe at home, it is to do what Jill Stein has been the only candidate to say: pull out of the ME, stop supporting proxy forces, stop arming militias and dictators, stop bombing Muslim/South American countries, stop building more bases across the globe, stop arming theocracies and dictatorships to oppress their own people, and especially right now, stop antagonizing Russia at its borders.
Obviously no one wants to hear that, much easier to blame the others, the Muslims, the Russian, the Chinese and keep ratcheting the rhetoric for war and keep poking these bears oblivious of the fact that we, you and I, have absolutely nothing to gain from it and everything to lose.
Thanks, Po.
As for your contention that the Syrians could easily take out ISIS in Syria, absent outside assistance, I think that is very questionable.
Motivation is another issue….Assad’s military has focused more on the non-ISIS rebel groups.
I’m not sure what countries the U.S. is bombing in South America….I follow the news closely, and I must have missed that item.
As far as total military disengagement from the Middle East, well, there’s always the Crusades issue as a motivator.
Your 1.6 billion Muslims v. the 30,000 ISIS comment is a deliberate understatement of “who speaks for Islam”.
Your comment suggesting that the presence of an NYPD t-shirt was as likely a motivator for the Orlando shooter, as his reported statement of allegiance to ISIS, was factually off the mark.
To update on a previous mistatement of fact from you, asking why Isreali atrocities against Palestinians “were never sanctioned”, one of the Isrealis involved in the burning/ murder of the Palestinian youth was sentence to life in prison by an Isreali court.
A second Isreali received a sentence of 33 years.
The third participant has plead insanity….I’m not sure if/ when there’s been a resolution/determination in that Isreali’s case.
As far as total military disengagement from the Middle East, well, there’s always the Crusades issue as a motivator.
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Tom, the last pesrons to bring up the crusades for justification for war against Muslims were Bush and his generals.
If I were you, I’d drop that reference.
Additionally, if that was not a factor up to 20 years ago, wonder what it would one now?
“As many will remember, we couldn’t have gotten off to a better start on winning hearts and minds when Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin, on his speaking tour of churches back in 2003, publicly and in uniform proclaimed that the so-called war on terror was really a fight between Satan and Christians, making comments like, “We in the Army of God, in the House of God, the Kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this,” saying that George Bush, who himself had ignorantly called the war a crusade, was “in the White House because God put him there,” and, referring to the capture of Somali warlord Osman Atto, “I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.”
Speaking at a Rotary Club meeting in his hometown of Concord, North Carolina in December 2006, one of Boykin’s supporters in the aftermath of his comments, former Congressman Robin Hayes (R-NC), pronounced that stability in Iraq ultimately depended on “spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. …Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/top-ten-ways-to-convince_b_291308.html
As for your other points, you are still waging a war you have already lost. We have debated those issues ages ago and moved on…I thought.
Po…when did the West or the U.S. mention the Crusades as a basis for military action in the Middle East?
And what S. American country is the U.S. bombing?
We might help win the so-called “War on a Tactic” with a “gas tax” at the gasoline pump, since we are funding BOTH SIDES of this War on a Tactic. We fund our enemies also.
A “gas tax” at the pump, used to develop clean energy, would help us become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil which helps defund terrorist groups.
Never forget that dictators and monarchs from the Middle East “scapegoated” the United States to their citizenry – blaming us for the plight of their citizens that didn’t benefit from their nation’s oil wealth.
“Gays. Muslims. Choose one.
#OrlandoShooting“
“Rahal Eks is the author of several memoirs, including the upcoming “On the Path of the Friend,” in which he details his encounter with Sufism and how it changed his life. Since the mid 1990s, he has been leading Sufi evenings on Thursdays in Morocco, Spain, and Germany. Like his teachers, who are from three different schools of Sufism, he never saw a conflict between sexuality and Islam. “I was very lucky by having encountered some Sufi teachers, whose ideas about Islam and homosexuality were rather progressive and accepting, who explained things to me in a different light than the average fossilized Mullah,” he told me in my book Queer Jihad. “Combined with my happy years living in the Arab World, and having enjoyed wonderful relationships, I managed to achieve a harmonic integrity of all my aspects where spirituality and sensuality form a holistic totality, not being fragmented or at war. Plus, I also love and accept myself, which is really a vital point and a must. So I think the main credit for achieving this must go to the Sufi Tradition, as it really is the main helper and positive impact.”
http://islamandhomosexuality.com/5-imams-openly-gay/
KCFleming
1, June 13, 2016 at 10:46 am
Ban Muslim immigration and deport the rest.
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Said the american????!!!!!!1
America is wasted on (some) Americans!
Nick Spinelli
1, June 13, 2016 at 10:42 am
For new folks, po always arrives after a Muslim massacres Americans. He is the Baghdad Bob of this blog and not to be taken seriously. He hates us non Muslim Americans unless we bow before him and his religion. Then he might tolerate you.
The best way to handle people like po is to ignore him. He is not worthy of your intellect or time.
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How come I always meet you here after such events, Spinelessli? Where else would I find you but where muslim bashing is happening?
You, Nick is not welcome to Islam, you would finally do to it what even Isis hasn’t been able to, sink it.
I would so love for you to take your own advice and indeed ignore me…but how could you…I give you that shiver down your spine(less)…I make your life worth something.
As for your intellect, you have much too little of it…and as for your time, you have much too much of it 🙂
Ban Muslim immigration and deport the rest.
tnash80hotmailcom
1, June 13, 2016 at 10:39 am
Po. You once again strive to categorize all non-Muslims shootings as being committed by White Christian hate groups.
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And as I did earlier, Tom, I split the difference and say 100 to 3 is still sizable, no?
And my point still remains…domestic hate groups, and toddlers, are a greater danger to us than islamic terrorism.
The best way to handle people like po is to ignore him. He is not worthy of your intellect or time.
Nick…..I’m not too worried about whether or not I convince Po that he’s consistently and speciously dismissed/ understated the threat from Islamic terrorism.
Since there may be a lot of other readers here, most of whom do not comment, I’m just trying to contest some factually false statements that have been made here.
For new folks, po always arrives after a Muslim massacres Americans. He is the Baghdad Bob of this blog and not to be taken seriously. He hates us non Muslim Americans unless we bow before him and his religion. Then he might tolerate you.
Tom
You are doing a lot of wording but not actually saying anything. it is not enough to challenge my numbers, you must also offer something in place.
As to my being facetious about the NYPD…I think you are winded much too tight to think that linking the shooting with the NYPD is not facetious 🙂
But, since we are talking about numbers, add up all the million of billions of thousands of groups linked to islamic terror you seem to be seeing everywhere and you still have .0001 of the 1.6 billion of Muslims out there.
https://twitter.com/themuslimvibe/status/712677757415718912
Meanwhile, you are still unable to refute my claim, backed by the consensus, including researchers and the FBI, that we are at greater danger from domestic (white Christian) hate groups than we are from islamic extremism. 353 to 3 speaks volume I say!
Po. You once again strive to categorize all non-Muslims shootings as being committed by White Christian hate groups.
I previously commented on the source of your “353 to 3”.
That mass shooting index you are so fond of once included the slightly injured victims of 2 preteen juveniles with BBguns.
“ISIL’s Amaq News Agency, …said the attack was “carried out by an Islamic State fighter.”
“One of the caliphate’s soldiers in America carried out a security invasion where he was able to enter a crusader gathering at a nightclub for homosexuals in Orlando, Florida … where he killed and injured more than a hundred of them before he was killed,” the group said in a broadcast on Iraqi radio, according to Reuters.“
More from the religion of pieces:
“A Canadian held by the Islamist group Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines has been killed, media reports say.
Robert Hall was kidnapped in September along with three other hostages from Canada, the Philippines and Norway.
Mr Hall was killed on Monday after a deadline for a ransom expired, security sources told Canadian broadcaster CBC and Philippine news website Rappler.
Abu Sayyaf had previously demanded a multi-million dollar ransom.
John Ridsdel, 68, was a former mining executive
Abu Sayyaf is a fragmented but violent militant group with its roots in the Islamist separatist insurgency in the southern Philippines. Several of its factions have aligned themselves with the so-called Islamic State.
It has repeatedly taken hostages over the years but has often released them in exchange for ransoms.
Abu Sayyaf has also said it carried out bombings in cities in the south and a ferry bombing in 2004 in Manila Bay that killed more than 100 people, considered one of the worst terror attacks in the Philippines.
Islamic State threat in Southeast Asia“