Recently, Pope Francis called on the church to apologize to gays and others for years of poor or abusive treatment. It was a signature moment for this Pope who has reached out to marginalized groups and rejected many of the long-entrenched positions and habits (and excesses) of the Vatican. However, his words were given an interesting spin by Catholic League President Bill Donohue, who had a remarkably heated exchange with CNN’s Chris Cuomo and refused to apologize to gays. The video is below.
During a recent return flight from Argentina, the Pope said that
“the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended, but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons . . . The church must say it is sorry for not having behaved as it should many times, many times — when I say ‘the church,’ I mean we Christians, because the church is holy; we are the sinners . . . We Christians must say we are sorry.”
Donohue rejected the notion of an apology and added “As a matter of fact, I want an apology from gays. I’ve been assaulted by gays. I’ve never assaulted a gay person in my entire life.”
He criticized CNN and said “Your producers only want to talk about LGBT,” he charged. “I don’t care what gay people do. I don’t want to have a lifestyle thrusted in my face though. That’s a different kind of thing altogether.”
Then came Donohue’s interpretation of the Pope’s remarks that he meant to say that Christians could “condemn certain manifestations” of sexual behavior “though he didn’t complete the sentence.”
Here is the video:
What do you think?
@RosieS
Yes, my Mother is proud of me! And I am proud of her! She got married before she was pregnant, and did not have me or my sister in order to get Food Stamps, HUD vouchers, and various forms of welfare. She had us because she actually wanted children, and then acted like a mother to us. Neither me nor my sister had to resort to the School Breakfast program because she was too lazy, too drunk, or too screwed up on drugs, or laid up in bed with some john, to get up and fix us breakfast.
She did not get into brawls at Chuck E. Cheese, or our kindergartens, or McDonalds. She did not have a butt the size of Texas on her, nor arms like a gorilla. She did not cuss like a sailor, run around on our father, weave stranger’s hair into her head, and dress like a drunk baboon in outlandish outfits. Further, she would spank us when we misbehaved, and as a result you never heard her on TV saying, “My baby dindu nuffin! He was a expiring rapper! Sure he was shooting at people, but he wasn’t trying to kill them, so why did dem mean ‘ol police has to shoot him down. He was always a happy baby and now he is going to de Lord to be wif his 3 other brothers who died accidentally from gunshots, too but they dindu nuffin’ either that was too serious. Dey was just keepin’ it real. Oh, and I have set up a Go Fund Me. . .”
Nope. We grew up normal, like kids are supposed to.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Ms. Fromm sends us another revealing ‘selfie’. Her mother must be so proud.
@AMDickey
Oh, I get it! There just aren’t enough dead homos yet to get your attention! 30,000+ homos infected a year by other homos is far too low a number to trigger your “Outrage Response” where you might castigate murderous gays. But I bet two Christian bakers has you up in arms. “Put on your marching boots, boys! They won’t make cakes for us! To the barricades!”
Yeah. Like I said. A hypocrite. Oh, and by the way, when 75% of black kids are illegitimate, that ain’t a caricature. And when 20% of men who have sex with men are HIV positive, that ain’t a caricature, either.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@AMDickey
Uh, er, uh well. . .you got one thing right! You didn’t answer the SUBSTANCE of my arguments. You wrote 10 paragraphs calling me names, and while I appreciate the effort, do you think you could try actually addressing the SUBSTANCE of my characterizations???
Let’s start with the murderous, vile, homosexuals who I accuse of caring more about the quality of their sexual experience than they do the very life of their bottom sperm receptical. Am I wrong? Am I wrong in the way I said the bug is passed along? Am I wrong in the large number of dead homos who have been snuffed out by dudes who are sodomizing them without a condom???
I mean, you goofy SOB’s priss around with your little cigarette lighters and candles in the air in memory of whats-his-name Shepherd, the Barb Wire Boy, who was just one dead homo, and you can’t get worked up enough to even worry about 30,000 plus per year homos who some other homo sodomite sodomized without a condom on, who infected them with HIV???
I think you are just a phony. A hypocrite. You wallow around in self pity and victim hood when a straight person slams you, but close up tighter than a clam when it comes time to talk about 650,000+ needlessly dead homos killed by sexually predatory sodomites.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Quod Est Demonstratum.
Thank you for making my point.
Also, get professional help.
@AnneMarie Dickey
Thank you!!! It is seldom that I get two rousing confirmations in one day of what I say about liberals dealing with the FORM of arguments rather than the SUBSTANCE.
Perhaps you could tell us all how many gay men have HIV, and perhaps even tell us how they got it. Maybe I am wrong, and maybe they didn’t get it through being sodomized by somebody with the disease who was just too dang interested in his own little org*sm to put on a condom. Maybe you can explain if some hitherto unknown homosexual ethic’ is at play, where the very real risk of death is somehow less important than a really good spurt of pleasure. But, I ain’t holding my breath.
Or, you can just follow along with swarthmore mom and RosieS with name-calling.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@Steg
Thank you for saying nice things!!! I know I go away sometimes, but I just get caught up in other stuff.
@PaulCS
Are you kidding??? Most Liberals are not about “thinking” in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Instead, they are into “posing” as smart people, and them patting themselves on the head for being tolerant, and good, and forward thinking, even though they harm the beejesus out of minorities and society in general.
They are what the smug, puritanical Christians were back in 1920. They have the same mindset. And the same lack of intelligence. That is why you get all the goody-too shoes, and la-di-dah comments. From hypocrites.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – I do agree that “think” was the wrong word choice. They “feel” they are smart. They work on an emotional level, not an intellectual level.
It is seldom that I get two rousing confirmations in one day of what I say about liberals dealing with the FORM of arguments rather than the SUBSTANCE.
The substance of what you said includes risible and racist caricatures of African American women (To wit: black welfare whores, various racially charged images at your blog), as well as overt and demonstrative hatred of GLBT people (your various epithets of “vilest, filthiest, murderous”)
Moreover, your blog, as mentioned above, is replete with cartoons…made by you…directing racially charged and hateful depictions of blacks as well as GLBT Americans.
You can be coy about your content, but as our host says above in his byline “The thing itself speaks”
Tendentious arguments to the effect that liberals are being mean to you for your politically incorrect speech may be funny at Free Republic, but they simply do not hold water when your intent is crystal clear:
You really hate people like me. You also hate African American people who do not happen to share your political and social beliefs. You want to make vindictive and poisonous comments behind an alias while complaining about the social opprobrium you face for your spite.
Simply put: you are a coward….vindictive and petty. You are an example of why public online forums increasingly trend towards moderation as not to be associated with the like of you.
You can keep displaying your flag of treason, murder and slavery while you whine about political correctness. You can call GLBT people whatever names you dredge from your febrile imagination. You can use any manner of cartoonish sexual imagery for African American men and women.
None of it will help you in the slightest. You are sick in some way, and this is how you compensate for it.
No doubt you will want to respond with a glib Haha libtard! You didn’t really answer me!…
But your questions above aren’t what you are really asking.
The kind of vile bilge expounded by Squeeky Fromm et al is refreshing in a way. It is always nice to see reactionary proto fascists, racists and cultural dead-enders rage at the world behind a mask of anonymity on a legal blog. The courage is simply astounding.
Bravo, Ms Fromm.
AnneMarie Dickey. Transgendered woman, educator, and proud supporter of my brothers and sisters in Orlando.
Donahue is a bloviating gasbag who effectively reaches his dozen or so followers. He still thinks it’s 1954.
Squeeky, stay and play!
This place is so much better with your wit and bite.
Donohue is one of the biggest bigots out there. He wants to whine when, in his view, anyone says anything at all he doesn’t like about his own church and then turns right around and uses his church to justify every type of vile, judgmental, bigoted action he’s okay with.
As I said, I love it when racists are out – loud and proud!
RosieS – you have yet to prove that anyone is a racist. Now I know the meme of the DNC is to call all opponents racist, however that does not make it true. You should learn to think for yourself, not let Obama, Hillary, the DNC and their minions do your thinking for you.
This Pope is actually a good one. There is a lot on the plate and more on the menu.
No. The Pope is a deceiving blind dead head that is blind to evil.
@RosieS
And I love it when people like you comment and prove exactly, precisely what I just said—that Liberals do not address the SUBSTANCE of arguments, but instead carp about the FORM of an argument.
Gee, if I was wrong about the black welfare whores, you should be able to provide a substantive rebuttal if I am wrong in my characterization. But I guess it is kind of hard to rebut the whole 75% illegitimate black kids thingie, huh?
LOL!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I love it when Ms. Fromm comments. Her very words provide a perfect illustration of hateful racism.
@Mike
The problem is that some folks here, and on the net in general, use “civility” as a cudgel to intimidate people into silence on some point. That is why you hear so much about “hate speech.” This is because some people are unable to address the substance of an argument, and therefore resort to complaining about the form of the speech. Witness my above comment, which got called “hate speech”, while the substance of typical dangerous gay behavior went unanswered.
As a rule, Democrats are really into that kind of activity, so that you now have Democratic prosecutors wanting to persecute global warming deniers, and anybody who says things they don’t like. Make a valid point about Hillary, for example, and you are characterized as anti-woman. Talk about the black welfare whores who pop out 4 or 5 illegitimate kids, while on welfare, and you are characterized as racissss! Most Democratic and Leftist commentary is nothing but a form of intimidation. If the GOP was running Mother Teresa as a candidate, the Democrats would be calling her racisss!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
And sometimes (well, every time I visit this blog) I think folks need to give the “civility rule” that JT has linked above another read…
Um… can you say the Pope is wrong and still be Catholic?
I find homosexual activity repulsive – no apology – sorry.
“Second Catholics ARE NOT Christian”
Hilarious.
First I’m not a Catholic, I am a nondenominational Christian that reads and studies the scriptures.
Second Catholics ARE NOT Christian and the Pope has no authority to tell Christians what to do.
Third any Christian that understands the scriptures understands that it is our responsibility to confront anyone participating in any type of sinful behavior. Scriptures say that if someone is sinning and we do not confront their sinful behavior then their blood will be required of us on judgment day. If we warn them and they do not turn away from their sin then their blood is on their own hands.
So – Mr. Pope – I apologize for nothing – I warn any person involved in gay, lesbian, or any other form of deviant sexual behavior that unless they repent and ask God for forgiveness they will spend eternity separated from God. I also warn you Mr. Pope that the satanic one world religion you are building is leading many down the wide path and your torment in the Lake of Fire will be extreme.
Amen