Suspect In Deaths Of Two Women In Kentucky Was Deported Eight Times

3b36cfdf00000578-4017688-miguel_angel_villasenor_saucedo_above_a_40_year_old_mexican_nati-m-4_14813028326593b37718e00000578-4017688-image-a-5_1481302844492As Congress and the incoming Trump Administration grapples with how to carry out Trump pledge for a crackdown on illegal immigration, a recent tragedy in Louisville has galvanized the pro-deportation forces. While most undocumented individuals lead productive lives in the United States, Miguel Angel Villasenor-Saucedo, 40, could well become the next Willy Horton for the crackdown campaign. After it was alleged that the illegal immigrant had killed two people in a hit-and-run. it was discovered that he had been deported eight times from this country. The case shows just how open our borders are when someone like this man can enter so easily after deportations.

A warrant has been issued for Villasenor-Saucedo after he reportedly struck two women who were outside of their car in the aftermath of an unrelated accident. They were standing by their car when Villasenor-Saucedo’s Chevy 1500 truck slammed into them. He then fled the scene.

Villasenor-Saucedo is a case study of illegal immigration. He was caught four times by border agents in Texas. In arrests in June and September 2011, he said that he crossed the Rio Grande near Brownsville and rafted across the river near Hidalgo. He was arrested twice in November 2012 and said that he crossed the river near Hidalgo.

3b37d40c00000578-4017688-image-a-98_14813172500313b37d41100000578-4017688-image-m-97_1481317244486Only one of the victims has been identified: Migidalia Morell-Manso, 49. Despite the two deaths, if convicted, Villasenor-Saucedo only faces up to two years in federal prison. He is also facing charges from Kentucky authorities for leaving the scene of an accident and failing to maintain insurance and an operators license. There is no word on who he was working for.

Police believe that Villasenor-Saucedo was intoxicated at the time of the accident.

44 thoughts on “Suspect In Deaths Of Two Women In Kentucky Was Deported Eight Times”

  1. There seems to be no end to Prof. Turley’s hypocrisy. First he attacks Israel for doing the responsible, intelligent, and pro-civilization thing by barring civilization-hating pseudo-African theologian and pseudo academic Isabel Phiri. Now he suggests that maybe its not such a good thing that the U.S.A. should continue its self-destructive pro-illegal immigrant policies because of crimes committed by illegal immigrant Miguel Angel Villasenor-Saucedo. Instead, Prof. Turley should be joining the rest of his Progressive ilk by applauding Saucedo as a genuine American hero and he should be objurgating those who use Saucedo as an excuse to change pro-illegal immigrant policies as Racist, Islamophobic, and Scumbagaphobic.

    1. Jack Ruby – I support you if the people are not already here illegally, or are natural born citizens.

    1. Rubbish. 30% of the fatalities in car-wrecks occur in booze-generated accidents, only a single-digit share of which would have occurred absent the effect of liquor on the principals (a blood-alcohol level of 0.18 increases the probability of a wreck by 300-fold). You’re telling everyone that north of 25% of all fatalities could have been prevented by seat belts when they weren’t prevented by air bags.

      1. Okay. So I guess you assume everyone that drives in Kentucky has a car with airbags.
        Might want to do a little research before you proclaim just what exactly is “rubbish”.
        I live in Kentucky so I just might know what I’m talking about.
        You may be smart but you might not be correct my friend.

        1. :Okay. So I guess you assume everyone that drives in Kentucky has a car with airbags.

          According to this data:

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          About 89% of all vehicles on the road in 2001 were < 16 years of age. In the intervening years, the mean age of vehicles on the road has increased by 2 years, suggesting that vehicles manufactured in excess of 18 years ago would account for about 11% of the vehicles on the road. Air bags were common in 1997, they just were not required for passenger vehicles and light trucks vended in the United States, as they have been since 1998.

          What you can see here from 2014 data

          Is that about 9.400 people in passenger cars died in motor vehicle wrecks while not restrained. That's about 30% of the total death toll in motor vehicle wrecks. That's the gross number who died unrestrained, not the number for whom the seat belt would have been decisive. Again, a seat belt is not a guarantee of survival. You will notice that 10,000 people died in accidents even though they were restrained. You'll note they cite a study they've undertaken which suggests that seat belts are associated with a 45% reduction in mortality. That suggests that 4,200 people in this set might have survived had they had a seat belt on, or 20% of passenger vehicle deaths and 13% of total vehicle deaths.

      2. Just FYI:
        “According to the final statistics for 2014, of the 672 fatalities last year, 521 were in motor vehicles. Of those killed in motor vehicle crashes, 61 percent were not buckled up and 18.9 percent of fatalities involved alcohol. Motorcyclists accounted for 76 fatalities, with 59.4 percent not wearing helmets, and 7 percent of fatal motorcycle crashes involved alcohol.”

  2. @JT
    “Miguel Angel Villasenor-Saucedo, 40, could well become the next Willy Horton for the crackdown campaign. After it was alleged that the illegal immigrant had killed two people in a hit-and-run. it was discovered that he had been deported eight times from this country. The case shows just how open our borders are when someone like this man can enter so easily after deportations.

    “Someone like this man”? Just how emotionally charged and irrationally considered the immigration question tends to be nowadays is manifest in these remarks by both the attorney host of a legal blog and by many of his readers’ comments in response to them.

    To belabor the obvious, this immigrant suspect has reportedly been deported eight times, not convicted of eight crimes against persons. For all we know, he could be a devoted father and husband who wasn’t able to support his family in the Mexican economy and has been willing to risk imprisonment or worse in order to support them by working in the US.

    And to put the crime of hit-and-run in some perspective and to help avoid emotionally conflating that crime with illegal immigration, consider the following:

    “Crash data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration show that the number of fatal hit-and-run crashes is trending upward, from 1,274 in 2009, to 1,393 in 2010, to 1,449 in 2011, the most recent year for which statistics were available.

    “Perhaps more significantly, the 13.7% increase in hit-and-run deaths over that three-year period occurred while traffic deaths overall were falling 4.5%, from 33,883 in 2009 to 32,367 in 2011. ‘The
    problem is bigger than I think most people are aware,’ says Peter Kissinger, president and CEO of the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

    “The foundation’s analysis of hit-and-run crashes found that about one in five of all pedestrian fatalities are hit-and-runs, and 60% of hit-and-run fatalities have pedestrians as victims, he says. ‘Alcohol is a major, major part of the problem, from the driver’s perspective, especially. The main thing we can do as a society to sort of combat this problem is to simply be more alert as pedestrians,’ Kissinger says.”

    I hope it’s needless to say that people of any citizenship status should not drive when they’ve been drinking or have consumed other reflex-compromising drugs, and that people should under all circumstances remain at the scene of an accident and provide and/or summon aid for any accident victim.

    But let’s not condemn without due process mere suspects of crimes, even if they’ve been deported multiple times. To do so used to be, at least, un-American.

  3. We don’t have an undocumented worker problem – we have an illegal employer problem – just take the economic incentive out of the equation and the problem goes away,

    If you are caught employing someone that is not legal to work – several things happen – if you are not paying that person a fair wage, the person gets paid the fair wage. You are fined triple the wages paid to the employee. the former employee is deported back home and you the employer pay the cost to send the former employee back home – and make the law with some teeth in it so if you employ a contractor to keep your hands “clean” the costs also flow uphill to you – so companies like Wall-mart would be on the hook for their “we didn’t know this was happening”

    problem goes away in short order –

  4. Most of those illegals went back south because a. no jobs, b. devalued dollars, and c. higher prices for foold and shelter. Obeiyme had something to do with it all right. They were followed or even led by US Citizens seeking tas relief and a safer environment.

    Mexico has offered to build the wall and will contract for it…..they are holding out for payment in a hard currency.

  5. I do believe that Mr Spinelli has close to the right answer. Technologies are far more effective than a wall. A wall will not work; think about Chapo’s tunnels!
    I recall reading that President Obama’s administration has deported more illegals than any previous one, and that the number approaches one million souls.
    Time for a more concentrated and effective effort.

    1. Frank Hammerstrom – Obama has been fudging the numbers on deportations to make them seem larger than they are.

    2. He lies. They include people who don’t get in. Make it look like they are being deported. Changed the reporting system just like the unemployment numbers.

        1. Toads – they did change they way the unemployment numbers were reported after Obama got into office. They stopped counting people who had stopped looking for work.

  6. I think that far more important than deportations is securing our borders. I don’t care if it’s a wall, a fence, a moat filled with alligators, patrolled by drones or heat sensing robots. I just want an impenetrable border. If a physical wall will interfere with wildlife, then I’m open to a virtual wall. All I care about is that doing the wrong thing becomes impossibly hard, and the right thing becomes the easier choice.

    I think we need to improve our immigration system. I dislike that visa workers have to return to their home country while they renew their visa. That’s very disruptive to the work place, as I’ve seen. I also think that we need to adjust the flow of immigration to stabilize our population growth. It’s my understanding that our reproductive rate has dropped to below the replacement rate, so we have room for some immigration. But our land and resources are finite. I do not want to end up like Coruscant in Star Wars, a city planet without a blade of grass. We cannot house everyone here, and agriculture is already fleeing the state of CA with our scarce water resources. We are supposed to buy organic and local, but too many people are drawing from our water resources. Already there is deep antipathy for almond farmers, and any agricultural enterprises that export produce, which is like exporting water. How much more can we take? Overpopulation is one of the largest concerns of both conservationists and environmentalists.

    The reason we have these heartbreaking situations where people were brought here as babies, or even born here, by their illegal immigrant parents is because the rest of the world lacks our opportunities and stability, and our borders are a sieve. Plus we offer the incentive of citizenship to anchor babies, which lures pregnant women to make dangerous crossings close to their due date when they have no business walking in the desert. We wouldn’t be agonizing about deporting families if we made it impossible for them to break the law and get around legal immigration. Then, when the border is secure, we start systematically deporting all criminal aliens. Many people think we do that already but that is not the case. Sanctuary cities refuse to cooperate with ICE. Quite often it’s catch and release. And even when we do deport them, the man in this article illustrates how easy it is for him to just come right back over.

    The Los Zatos cartel just recently killed hundreds of men, women, and children by cooking them in crude ovens right next to the border. I do not want those kinds of people to have the ability to stroll across our border.

    I cannot imagine the agony of a grieving parent, whose offspring, either adult or child, was murdered by someone who was never supposed to be here. If our border was secure, these women would still be alive, and preparing to celebrate Christmas with their families.

    There are lots of arguments to be made about deciding the quantity of legal immigrants, and what to do with illegal immigrant families. But securing the border is intuitively obvious, and should not be a point of contention. Bill and Hillary Clinton both supported securing our border in the past, including building a wall. So such a move has not suddenly become racist. Nor does it mean that there are not super nice people in Mexico who would make fantastic American citizens.

    There is so much violence across the border. It is not in any way equivalent to our crime rate here, although Mexican cartels have managed to infiltrate us, brining human trafficking, slavery, and drugs. Someone I know just took in his nieces and nephew. They were living in Mexico with their parents when a drug cartel took revenge for some slight the wife’s family members had done. They burst into the home, and killed both parents. Thank God they spared the kids. But the teenage nephew is broken, angry, and lashing out. He couldn’t save his Mom, can’t forgive himself, and is angry at the entire world. He’s been brought here to live with his uncle, who’s trying to save him from completely throwing his life away. That’s the reality of living in Mexico. The cartels are very powerful. But we literally cannot take the entire population of Mexico, and South America, and all the other countries who live in areas that lack freedoms and security. We do not have the room. It would be better to stabilize the rest of the world rather than try to take everyone in.

    I hope this is the right video. But this shows the hubris of our thinking that we are actually making a difference in the world by taking in large numbers of immigration.

    1. “It’s my understanding that our reproductive rate has dropped to below the replacement rate, so we have room for some immigration. But our land and resources are finite. I do not want to end up like Coruscant in Star Wars, a city planet without a blade of grass. We cannot house everyone here, and agriculture is already fleeing the state of CA with our scarce water resources. ”

      Don’t worry. Once abortion is ruthlessly suppressed, and contraception outlawed, we won’t need illegal immigration to overpopulate the country. We will do it the old-fashioned way.

    2. It’s my understanding that our reproductive rate has dropped to below the replacement rate, so we have room for some immigration.

      That’s true in every occidental country (outside of Latin America), true of the industrial Orient, and true in some 3d world countries as well. That’s been true for nearly 40 years. Israel is the only affluent country that reproduces above the replacement rate. The United States, Britain, France, and Ireland have small deficits, so can cope passably. Germany and Japan are headed into a severe crisis.

  7. A wall, about 50 feet high and topped with razor wire, please; guard towers every 600 yards. About 30,000 armed sentries working in shifts. Big signs in Spanish which say “Climbing = Death”. Take fingerprints and photographs of everyone who applies for a visa and run them through a database, refusing anyone who has been deported in the past unless they’ve sat through a requisite cooling-off period. Take their fingerprints again at the border or other point of entry, check the database, and compare them to images taken when they applied and to the content of the fingerprint database. Maintain a rolling list of people who checked-in and did not check-out, and sic investigators from a police force dedicated to this task on them. Maintain people awaiting deportation in special detention centers which house only such people. Have a dedicated corps of magistrates who only supervise the cases of such people. Process their cases like Judge Wapner. Slap every person overstaying a visa with a period in jail (say 60 days) and setting a minimum cooling-off period of 30 months before they can ever re-enter the U.S. for any reason (longer for people convicted of crimes other than visa violations and longer the longer you overstay).

  8. Any time Trump wants to start building the wall, I will be more than happy to pay for the first pallet of cinder blocks.

  9. And here in a nutshell is why the libs have failed the American people.

    All the talk about “undocumented Americans” masks the truth, these are illegal aliens.

    The libs talk to each other and don’t hear what the majority of Americans want – common sense border control.

    We need immigrants (we as a country benefit enormously from immigration), but we should not let an accident of geography (proximity to Mexico) determine who comes into our country.

    There are many potential immigrants with better skills who want to immigrate to the U.S., but are refused (legally) because of quota restrictions, while unqualified candidates from Mexico and Central America jump the queue illegally.

    1. (we as a country benefit enormously from immigration),

      No. Welfare benefits from trade in factors of production go overwhelmingly to the immigrants themselves. George Borjas twenty years ago estimated the benefit annually to the extant population is about 0.1% of gross domestic product, and this disproportionately benefits the affluent. Take a look at Japan: very affluent country which has had very little immigration over the last 150 years. Korea’s prosperity was achieved with little immigration.

    2. Take the mindless partisanship out of it. The problem is the result of both parties. It has been going on for decades. Reagan was the Republican that gave amnesty to millions. Obama has been successfully separating those who should stay from those who should be deported, a million plus during his administration. Even Trump, our idiot in chief, applauds Obama. Your knee jerk attack on ‘libs’ is illustrative of how shallow and ill-informed/uneducated/ignorant voters have become.

  10. I watch some show about illegal border crossings and if it is depicted correctly it’s no wonder the Mexicans take the chance. I saw a guy get 14 months for 1200 lbs of marijuana. Sounds like Nick has a good idea, why not risk a year in prison for about 1 million dollars worth of weed.Hell, they need Mexican Fedderales at the boarder so they can take them back to Mexico and lockem-up.

  11. Spinelli

    You must have been eating a lot of fish lately. That was as close to intelligent as you have come in a long, long, long time. Yes, a one size fits all, simplistic, Trumpian solution is not the answer. A physical wall will only take the focus off of the walled areas of the border. A wall of enhanced surveillance that is constantly being technologically enhanced is the way to go. The problem must be addressed from as many perspectives as exist. If a person is caught enough times to be deported more than twice, then they spend time in jail. This mutt was deported eight times. It is a sign of the level of stupidity of the authorities to have missed the fact that he was good at getting in. So, put him in jail. If the purpose of the law is to protect the innocent then the cost of incarcerating a person such as this part of the cost of protecting society. Deportation because it costs less should not be an option. Spend two years in jail, then get deported. A third time spend four years in jail and then get deported. Even this mutt would have got the message.

    Regarding illegal immigrants who make it in and abide by the laws, work and contribute, and have kids; if they create equity then make them wait a substantial period of time, perhaps two or three times the legal route, and then allow them to stay on a green card basis for ten years instead of the typical five.

    1. “Regarding illegal immigrants who make it in and abide by the laws, work and contribute, and have kids; if they create equity then make them wait a substantial period of time, perhaps two or three times the legal route, and then allow them to stay on a green card basis for ten years instead of the typical five.”

      This is actually a pretty good idea. As for the hardcore criminals sneaking in, there needs to be a system of hardcore slammers.

      No, one size should not fit all when it comes to “illegal immigrants,” “undocumented residents,” or whatever the term of the moment.

  12. The murders by illegal aliens[they are NOT undcoumented..they have FALSE ID] makes headlines. But, cases like this are ones I work as a PI who specializes in civil litigation. These people have no insurance to pay for the carnage they cause. We need more than a wall. It is naive to think a wall will keep all illegals out. We need a separate prison system to incarcerate illegals. One level of incarceration will be for those who do not commit crimes, but are here illegally. We need to have a sentencing guideline for them. The other category for will be for criminals like this sh!tbird, w/ additional sentencing time for prior deportations for being here illegally.

    1. I agree that a wall by itself will just be tunneled under or scaled. I’m sure they can come up with some sort of impenetrable barrier. The architects in Silicon Valley just need to imagine 3 million conservatives trying to illegally come here, and they’ll come up with something a gnat can’t get through.

      And you make a good point that many illegal aliens break many laws besides violent ones. Besides obviously breaking immigration law, many steal identities or SSN, drive uninsured, do hit and runs because they are uninsured, or get paid under the table and pay no taxes on it. Here in CA, where we have the highest population of illegal aliens in the entire country, hit and runs got so bad that we are now legally required to carry uninsured motorist car insurance. We all have to pay so that illegal aliens can break the law. Liberals thought that if we made it easier for illegal aliens to get a drivers license, that they would then get insurance. At least they would take a driving test, since they’re on the road anyway. They even subsidized that insurance with taxpayer money. But, so far, we do not have any data showing that illegal alien uninsured motorist involved accidents are going down. Since the police are prohibited from reporting or cooperating with ICE, what does an illegal alien have to fear if he or she gets into an accident without insurance? They walk away, don’t have enough reported assets to make the lawsuit worth it, and they won’t get reported to ICE.

      And then of course there are the employers who break the law. They hire illegal alien crews and do not pay them minimum wage, work comp, and they pay them under the table. And all those voters who are so conscientious at the ballot box when they vote for higher minimum wage and more worker protections, when it comes time to get their lawns mowed, a nanny, home remodel, or handy work, they hire an illegal alien and give them none of those expensive protections they voted for.

      And of course we cannot ignore the terrible health cost when illegal aliens skip legal immigration. The process screens them for diseases such as anti-biotic resistant TB, which is a deadly disease, very difficult to stop even with the best medical care. Victims spread the disease to, on average, 10 people. Legal immigrants are screened for disease and then given any necessary medical care. Illegal immigrants just walk on in. That’s one of the listed causes, as well as global travel, for the current spread of anti-biotic resistant TB. We even have leprosy here now. I recall reading about how the workers at the holding center for the unaccompanied minor surges got scabies (akin to human mange). That’s just from the people they caught. What about the ones that got through? We can be prepared to treat medical problems at the border through legal immigration, but illegal immigration skips all that.

      We already have a process in place for those who are in an emergency. It’s called seeking asylum. But the billions of people who live around the world under dictatorships, socialism, or instability can not obviously all qualify for asylum. There is literally not enough room.

      Line cutting is not fare, nor is sneaking in the back door and skipping the entire process. Merely having made it into the movie theatre without buying a ticket does not mean you are entitled to watch the movie for free. Wait in line like everyone else and stop complaining that it’s unfair, racist, or inhumane for the law to apply to you because your home country is close to ours.

  13. Ronald Reagan said: “If you want more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of something, tax it.” That principle applies to our immigration laws, sanctuary cities and border security. California may become the 1st sanctuary state. We’ll see more crimes like these enabled by progressive idiots that see the rule of law as a barrier to their agenda.

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