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CNN/ORC POLL: 58 PERCENT OF VOTERS DO NOT BELIEVE RUSSIAN HACKING INFLUENCED THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION

200px-Cnn.svgThe Democratic establishment has been pushing hard on a new narrative that Hillary Clinton lost not because of her record negatives polling going back years on truthfulness or the desire of the voters for an non-establishment candidate or the baggage carried by Clinton into the election.  Rather, it was the hacking by the Russians with a bit of help from FBI Director James Comey, according to this universal spin.  The media has assisted to a degree by referring to the “Russian hacking of the election,” which is obviously not true.  The election was not hacked. No voting machines or tallies were hacked.  Emails were hacked and none of those emails appear to have been altered. They were real emails showing highly dishonest conduct by key players.  Despite the virtual mantra from Washington, voters are clearly not buying it.  A new CNN/ORC poll shows roughly 8 out of 10 voters followed the controversy but 58 percent doubt that the hacking influenced the outcome of the election. [This posting was updated]

I have previously discussed the difficult sell that Democrats would have to make on the hacking spin.  As revealed by the intelligence report, the emails were not false or tampered with as claimed by Donna Brazile (who appears immune for media follow ups).  The Democrats are trying to trigger outrage among citizens that the hacking revealed true and disturbing emails of lying and vicious dealing by insiders in Washington. It did not work during the campaign and is clearly not working now.  That does not mean that citizens are not concerned with Russian hacking. However, citizens have been hearing for years of our own hacking and surveillance of our allies, let alone opposing governments.  More importantly, (while ignored by the Democratic leadership at their own peril), voters were in an anti-establishment mood and many relished the fact that establishment figures were exposed like Brazile for things like feeding questions to the Clinton campaign.  Of course, there was clearly a selective release of such emails against Democrats and that is a valid objection. However, it takes a lot to get the public upset about being told how insiders lied to them or tried to rig the primary for Clinton.
What is interesting is the the Democrats are continuing this full-court press on the same hacking line despite the polls — a repeat of the strategies from the election.  There is no question that the hacking should focus all Americans on the vulnerability of our system and the constant threat from hostile powers like Russia.  Yet, the DNC was aware of that danger before the election and yet had a laughable security system.  In combination with Clinton’s reckless use of a personal server at Secretary of State, it shows a level of negligence and recklessness that was surprising given years of hacking cases.  Ironically, in the end, the emails showed the public that the establishment in Washington is every bit as corrupt and dishonest as they thought.  It was only the messenger not the message that came as a surprise.

73 thoughts on “CNN/ORC POLL: 58 PERCENT OF VOTERS DO NOT BELIEVE RUSSIAN HACKING INFLUENCED THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION”

  1. So, let me get this straight, leaking John Podesta’s emails to Wikileaks is a major international crisis at the same time the biggest leaker of them all, Chelsea Manning, gets a commutation of sentence. Apparently, this administration believes that endangering American lives is not as bad as costing the Democrats the election. Take note of the real reason the Democrats lost the election: bad judgment.

    1. Don’t be surprised to see Obama add a pardon for deserter Beau Bergdahl who Obama traded 5 top Taliban commanders to get back. And I’m willing to bet Hillary Clinton is on this list as well. She knows too much that points to him.

  3. Anti-Semitism has returned to Germany full force. Mein Kamph is a best seller in Germany. And the highest court in Germany has determined that it’s okay to burn down synogogues. Naturally, Jon Turley isn’t going to post news like that even though it’s legal in nature and involves serious crimes because, as a dedicated Leftist, he has no gripes with Germany’s decision. He and his fellow leftists only wishes that such decisions could be made by courts in the U.S. He may get his wish, but not if Trump can help it.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/12410/german-court-burning-down-synagogue-isnt-anti-ben-shapiro

  4. CNN is allied with Orcs now, and no one bothers to ask how, or why?

    What a f’n topsy turvy world this has turned out to be!

  5. No caring parent of any soldier is rejoicing over Mr. Manning getting pardoned.

    1. Here’s a question: why will BO and Mooch have a security detail in retirement? Harry Truman (who was nearly shot dead by Puerto Rican nationalists in 1950) was not offered one until 1965. Richard Nixon relinquished his in 1986. Time for BOs to disappear. While we’re at it, his pension should be converted into an annuity of a value commensurate to his actual contributions to fund it. Mass Mutual can do the calculations. Oh, and that presidential library? Nixed.

  6. Why not Leonard Peltier? All he did was murder 2 FBI agents. Obama hates cops and military. That’s why he has pardoned more felons than the last 9 Presidents COMBINED.

  7. Well. I am man enough to admit I was flat ass wrong. I simply underestimated how PC, feckless, incompetent and stupid Obama is. Is Bergdahl next? Between Bergdahl and Manning, they are directly responsible for the deaths of many US and allied soldiers, including Navy Corpsmen. The parents of soldiers have my prayers.

    1. If Bergdahl was gay, then yes. But he ain’t. Obama is just sucking up to the queers for future Democratic votes. The little twerp will probably end up dead in a few years anyway, from an overdose, or just plain suicide. The little freak is a mental case.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

    2. I keep saying do not underestimate Trump and stop over-estimating Obama. The media has spun a narrative about Obama that is an illusion. The fake polls are telling us to believe Obama is popular and Trump is not. But here’s the thing…..popularity cannot make fiction true. The truth eventually reveals itself.

  8. Hack, hack bo back..
    banana fanna fo fack…
    fee fi big mac..
    Culdosac!

    When you have a word which has little meaning like: “hacking”. There is much which can be yakked about it but little of substance said.
    Why do they not just say that some human stole an email off Cloud 9?
    Then, that person altered the email.
    Then that person lied about who said what to whom.
    And so on.

    Next we will have Snowden morphing himself into the female sex. email, female, toe nail. It’s all the same.

    1. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a52342/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted-obama/“WASHINGTON, D.C.—At the end of his term, President George W. Bush pardoned Scooter Libby, who had been convicted of misleading Congress as to the outing (purely out of political vengeance) of a covert CIA operative named Valerie Plame. At the end of his term, President George H.W. Bush pardoned everyone convicted of engaging in the criminal act of selling missiles to a state-sponsor of terrorism and diverting the profits to a private war in Central America. Libby never served a day in jail. Neither did any of the Iran-Contra characters who skated.

      In 2013, Chelsea Manning was convicted of the massive leak of government documents that she orchestrated in 2009. On Tuesday, the president commuted most of the rest of Manning’s sentence, and she will be released next May, instead of in 2045. Since her conviction, she has been incarcerated at Leavenworth, including long stretches of solitary confinement. She has attempted suicide twice. If you think she got off easy, you’re out of your mind.””

  10. Interesting tweet from Michael Beschloss today. Within a 72 hour period, 44 years ago this week; Nixon was reinaugurated, LBJ died, Roe v Wade was decided, and the Vietnam settlement was announced. Historic events like that occur this week and CNN would lead w/ John Lewis boycotting Trump’s inauguration. He boycotted W’s as well. WTF has that guy done since MLK died??

          2. Thanks Nick and BB. I have turned into a YouTube junkie=) So much great stuff and an alternative to the MSM drivel.

        2. With all due respect John Lewis, we don’t work for you, YOU work for us.

          These are my girls.

          All aboard because the Trump Train is leaving the station. Choo choo, baby.

    2. Nick – Lewis, like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, Jr, have only waved the bloody shirt of MLK. They have done nothing to move blacks forward.

      1. Paul, They have moved blacks backwards. And, if black Congress members continue to boycott the inauguration in increasing numbers, it’s going to look like a lily white, Democrat leadership meeting.

  11. The same 58 % who voted for Trump, no doubt.

    The FBI sessions on Hillary so close to the election, only to say woops killed Hillary’s chances of election, but the Russians clearly hacked us, just like we hack them.

    They hacked both the DNC znd the RNC holding Donald’s shit for future blackmail, but releasing WEAPONIZED versions of Hillary’s stuff.

  12. jeremy scahill Verified account
    ‏@jeremyscahill

    Betsy DeVos will be in Trump’s cabinet while her brother, mercenary king Erik Prince, advises Trump from the shadows. Devos’s brother founded BLACKWATER.

    1. Goldie – if you know about the brother, it is hardly advising from the shadows. You are as simplistic as issac.

  13. Goldie/Annie/Inga damn near ruined this blog in 2015. Her reappearance is disturbing and creating havoc.

    1. I was wondering if that was her. The comments had the same “hit and run” quality, you know throw out an irrelevant partisan canard, and then avoid any substantive argument. But, the malice seems more subdued. Who knows?

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

    2. There is what Professor Turley posts, and that is (almost) always top notch grade a stuff.

      And then there are the commenters (and for one long point the guest bloggers), which for the life of me have always had huge amounts of the dregs.

    4. You may have little to worry about. If anything I think her comments are having the opposite effect of what she intends. Times change.

  14. Brooklin Bridge, January 17, 2017 at 1:45 pm
    ” ‘There is no question that the hacking should focus all Americans on the vulnerability of our system and the constant threat from hostile powers like Russia. -from this post’

    “This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to an unsubstantiated assertion, [Emphasis added] and an unfortunately dangerous one since Russian Hacking is being assumed, along with ‘hostile’ intent, yet is not established and so mere allegations insisted upon as fact could lead to a highly dangerous Cold War.

    “Exceptional statements require exceptional proof, and as I mentioned above, there is to date no hard evidence of any kind other than than the usual blackmail of If you don’t believe us, you are not a Patriot by the intelligence agencies, that the Clinton Emails were not made available via internal leaks to Wikileaks and from there to the public. We are talking about the same intelligence agencies that sold us weapons of mass destruction to get us into a war with Iraq. Skepticism IS warranted!

    “If there is any hard evidence of any sort of Russian Hacking of the emails, the public at large, as well as the readers of this blog, should be made aware of it. Trump should set up a commission to establish the facts as soon as possible. Along with PeePee-Gate as blackmail to get Trump to agree with the original hacking story, this whole thing smacks of the Military Industrial Complex and darker establishment interests in controlling alternate media in particular and free speech in general.” [Emphasis added]

    Excellent points, BB. Thank you. And here is what Glenn Greenwald has pointed out on the same subject:

    “The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There is a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combating those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

    “But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it. {Emphasis added]

    “Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?”
    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

    1. Awesome quote from Greenwald (I did read the article when it came out). Particularly the last paragraph, thanks for including it.

    2. Here’s an interesting perspective from the actual left wing: ”One of the persistent strands in American political life is a cultish extremism that approaches fascism. This was given expression and reinforced during the two terms of Barack Obama. “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fibre of my being,” said Obama, who expanded America’s favourite military pastime, bombing, and death squads (“special operations”) as no other president has done since the Cold War.

      According to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day. He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan.

      Every Tuesday – reported the New York Times – he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the “terrorist target”. A leading Republican senator, Lindsey Graham, estimated, approvingly, that Obama’s drones killed 4,700 people. “Sometimes you hit innocent people and I hate that,” he said, but we’ve taken out some very senior members of Al Qaeda.”

      Like the fascism of the 1930s, big lies are delivered with the precision of a metronome: thanks to an omnipresent media whose description now fits that of the Nuremberg prosecutor: “Before each major aggression, with some few exceptions based on expediency, they initiated a press campaign calculated to weaken their victims and to prepare the German people psychologically… In the propaganda system… it was the daily press and the radio that were the most important weapons…”

      http://johnpilger.com/articles/this-week-the-issue-is-not-trump-it-is-ourselves-

      1. Mr. John Pilger, quoted on the “26,171 bombs dropped”, has claimed that the Bush administration wanted 9-11 to happen.
        Since a major part of his current criticism is the number of bombs “dropped on the poorest people on earth”, maybe he knows how many bombs should be dropped on more affluent countries.
        It may be that this loon is, in fact, part of “the actual wing”

  15. There is no question that the hacking should focus all Americans on the vulnerability of our system and the constant threat from hostile powers like Russia. -from this post

    This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to an unsubstantiated assertion, and an unfortunately dangerous one since Russian Hacking is being assumed, along with “hostile” intent, yet is not established and so mere allegations insisted upon as fact could lead to a highly dangerous Cold War.

    Exceptional statements require exceptional proof, and as I mentioned above, there is to date no hard evidence of any kind other than than the usual blackmail of If you don’t believe us, you are not a Patriot by the intelligence agencies, that the Clinton Emails were not made available via internal leaks to Wikileaks and from there to the public. We are talking about the same intelligence agencies that sold us weapons of mass destruction to get us into a war with Iraq. Skepticism IS warranted!

    If there is any hard evidence of any sort of Russian Hacking of the emails, the public at large, as well as the readers of this blog, should be made aware of it. Trump should set up a commission to establish the facts as soon as possible. Along with PeePee-Gate as blackmail to get Trump to agree with the original hacking story, this whole thing smacks of the Military Industrial Complex and darker establishment interests in controlling alternate media in particular and free speech in general.

    1. Yes, the MIC has oil/gas on its’ mind. Has had it for quite some time and will for quite some time. And when it comes to vast amounts of that black gold the Saudis win over Russia every time. Trump’s diplomatic desires towards Russia are to be undermined for the sake of Saudi black gold.

      http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG738.pdf

      http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

      Obama is a community organizer par excel-lance – he destabilized the mid-east, ran guns to the ‘rebels’, dropped bombs, etc.. all for Saudi/Qatar/Turkey (Sunni) pipeline in opposition to Russian/Iranian/Syrian (Shia) pipeline. He recently lost the proxy war. He has now put our children in Poland and Norway to counter “Russian aggression”. There is only one correct reply to all of this. Energy independence. However, at every turn, with his mighty pen, Obama (at behest of MIC) has thwarted any such attempt thus making us dependent on the Saudis for generations to come. Let’s hope this new admin knows the right answer and has a backbone to withstand the MIC onslaught.

  16. Too bad all those comments were lost.

    Emails were hacked and none of those emails appear to have been altered. -from this post.

    I think it is worth stating again that there is no solid evidence to date that any actual Russian hacking of the Clinton emails took place at all. The information is more likely the result of internal leaks. That is, Emails may have been hacked or may have been leaked, but none of them appear to have been altered and we have no evidence of hacking.

    The following link is to an excellent article explaining point by point why there is no hard evidence to support the claim of Russian hacking.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/did-the-russians-really-hack-the-dnc/

    This is important because any such polls, no matter how well intended, have the effect of supporting a potentially false allegation by asking a sub question that assumes the validity of the primary question. For instance, “A recent poll found that 80% of the public doesn’t believe that Mr. or Madame X eating the children of Republican families for snacks had anything to do with his/her loss of the election.” Admittedly an extreme example, but it highlights the fact that the only valid response would be, “No evidence X did any such thing in the first place and obviously a non event has no effect on any election.” First things first.

    Trump should do everything in his power from day one to set up an independent commission to establish once and for all what, if anything, occurred and who is responsible.

    He should also do everything possible to nullify or moot the Orwellian Counter Disinformation and Anti-Propaganda Act provision of The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which Obama quietly signed into law, as usual on a Friday, just before Christmas 2016 when the public would least notice.

    2. I so agree. DNC had a password and it was “password”. Podesta opened a phishing email and Hillary even let her maid on her server at her home and everyone in the Democrat party still want to blame Trump and Putin.

      They need a huge azz mirror. 🙂

      1. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. You are bringing facts into an emotional, fake news, narrative. The MSM are now like Gloria Swanson in Sunset Blvd. Barbara Walters being the actual personification of that metaphor.

  19. Guess the first one was fake news. Most article here are spun in Trump’s favor. The first one was par for the course.

      1. Scary stuff. Trump probably knows a lot more than you think, yet he still has the cajones to take on the CIA.

    4. You mean to say that asking for proof of Russian hacking is unreasonable?

      1. They have no credible proof, just a “Great Possibility” that it occurred, coming from another elitist hack mouth like Brennan.

        Even Obama said none existed prior to his candidate losing. But after he flipped. How convenient.

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