The marriage of underaged girls remains a common abuse in Muslim countries. We have continued to follow the plight of girls and women in Islamic countries who face honor killings and child marriages. Some Islamic clerics have maintained that there can be no age limitation on child brides. They often note that Muhammad married Aisha when she was seven and consummated the marriage at nine years old. Indeed, some clerics have endorsed the notion of girls as “religious offerings” and rejected any age limitation The latest outrage over child brides has come with the “wisdom” of Malaysian MP Shabudin Yahaya who insisted that marrying off nine-year-old girls is perfectly acceptable and moral under Islamic law.
Shabudin declared “They reach puberty at the age of nine or 12. And at that time, their body is already akin to them being 18 years old. So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry.” Well no barrier beyond criminal pedophilia and child rape. Otherwise it is perfectly fine.
Speaking of rape, Shabudin also explained that under Islam there is “nothing wrong” with a rape victim marrying the man who raped her since she would otherwise face a “bleak future.” Indeed, Shabudin explained that marriages between rapists and their victims is a win-win situation: “Perhaps through marriage they can lead a healthier, better life. And the person who was raped does not necessarily have a bleak future. She will have a husband, at least, and this could serve as a remedy to growing social problems.”
He later objected that these statements were taken out of context.
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Who cares what a 7th Century barbarian mindset babbles about? They’re invaders to Western civilization and we need a Granada.
You don’t suppose Bader Meinhoff Ginzburger is really a Muslim cleric?
The Arabian Muslim culture exported as part of Islam in the 7-8th century inflicts unhinged male libido with all its primate instincts unsocialized. We see the same trashy male culture in gangs in inner cities and Central America, in Africa, and in the Islamic militias. It’s innate, instinctual primate behavior that young men don’t want to see socialized away. Muhammed was born into this type of culture. He did his best to try to moderate and civilize the male Arabian mindset, and this was successful to some extent, but his result was to export Arabian male hedonism to much of Africa and Asia.
The inherent problem with trying to change hearts and minds about child marriage in extremist nations, is that Mohammad consummated his marriage with a 9 year old. And since the Qu’ran was written by Allah, it can never be wrong, or edited. Even the Prophet has garnered a sense of infallibility. In fact, merely criticizing the Prophet is a capital offense in many nations. So, again, how can you reason with people who feel that a person who slept with a 9 year old arranged child bride could never be wrong?
“Speaking of rape, Shabudin also explained that under Islam there is “nothing wrong” with a rape victim marrying the man who raped her since she would otherwise face a “bleak future.”” A repugnant truth in any country where women are not held equal to men, and subjected to intense scrutiny as to their sexual activities, is that a rape victim is forever viewed as dirty, less than, and culpable. Her life is often ruined, and her own family can turn on her. Being a vessel for the family’s honor, it makes her in danger of being killed, whereupon her family’s honor is restored, and her memory can be viewed in a positive light now that she had the good grace to die. It’s a reprehensible way to treat the victims of sexual assault, but the truth is that many women live that reality, no one will save them from it, and their entire lives are ruined because of these Stone Age beliefs. Only when a woman is valued on equal footing as a man, with equal rights, can she begin to get better treatment when such a terrible event happens. You cannot give another, fallible human being ultimate authority over you as an adult and hope and pray that he proves a benevolent dictator.
The salient point is that these are not deranged people howling and raving in a subway. These are respected figures, and their opinions are shared by a majority of people in extremist nations. It is true that there is a range of beliefs among Islamic majority nations whose behavior meets the definition of extremism. For instance, the Persians believe that Female Genital Mutilation is a redneck abusive practice found in ignorant parts of the world. They view Saudi Arabia as wholly beneath them. But the other majority opinions on gays, apostates, criticizing Iran, Jews, and the rights of women still meet the definition of extremism and human rights abuses. And therein lies the problem. These are not minority views, but majority in many areas. We cannot change other countries’ laws, or the hearts and minds of billions of people. We cannot force our Western values on others. But we can certainly be appalled at what women and children suffer. We can condemn it. And we can express concern about importing it when we take broad swaths of a population into our country rather than scrupulously picking and choosing those who would most easily adapt to our Western way of life, which we obviously feel is superior for us, or else we would enact similar laws.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that a child or even a young teenager giving birth is more likely to suffer complications such as a fistula. And, my God, the thought of what girls would suffer with an injury like a fistula in a third world country breaks my heart.
In addition, a child’s brain is not developed. They do not make the most adult decisions, and do not have any life experiences with which to make good mothers.
Karen – you silly girl. A child bride does not need her brain to make decisions, that is what she has her husband for.
In fact, merely criticizing the Prophet is a capital offense in many nations.
Iran, for one. There was an entry on this very blog only a few days ago,
which you commented on in your usual tiresome manner.
“Tiresome” means to take the measure of something while you all engage in rhetorical flights of fancy.
Actually, most of us know the meaning of the word without reference to your fanciful definition. Nevertheless I decline to split hairs with you.
Good day to you sir.
I’m not inviting you to ‘split hairs’. I’m inviting you to take the measure of something, which you cannot do.
It is considered to fall under blasphemy laws.
Your link is an inventory of countries with laws on apostasy and blasphemy, not countries which actually execute people routinely for either. The State of New York has provisions in its penal code proscribing adultery and consensual sodomy. I don’t think you’re in much danger from the authorities for either (and they’re coded class b misdemeanors).
I’ve been spelunking around Human Rights Watch’s site and I find references to executions being carried out in Iran for apostasy and blasphemy. There are also references to ISIS doing this. Beyond that, I’m finding references to sentences (not all carried out) in seven other countries, which cases number fewer than 10 over a period of about 17 years.
You did not say that legal procedure stinks in that part of the world, or that there’s a great deal of cruelty in that part of the world, or even that people are intimidated by severe (notional) penalties. You said ‘merely criticizing the prophet” is a ‘capital offense’ in ‘many nations’. It is not the many for which this is true.
More information from the Library of Congress on apostasy (abandoning one’s faith) and blasphemy (insulting a faith or the head of the faith):
“In other countries, where formal laws do not criminalize apostasy, religious laws are used to prosecute persons for apostasy. Although Iran’s current Penal Code does not criminalize it, courts have prosecuted individuals for apostasy based on their understanding of Sharia’a and legal opinions issued by religious leaders. In Jordan, where the Penal Code does not include specific provisions on apostasy, it is prosecuted in religious courts, including at the request of any member of the community.
In many of the jurisdictions surveyed, both those that impose criminal penalties for apostasy and those that do not, a finding of apostasy may have consequences related to matters of inheritance and the validity of the marital relationship of the individual concerned. For example, under Sharia’a, a Muslim spouse who converts to any other religion may not inherent from his/her Muslim relatives or spouse. Where a Muslim husband converts to another religion, his marriage is considered annulled under Islamic law.
Of the surveyed jurisdictions that do not expressly criminalize apostasy, many have laws that include broadly-worded provisions on insulting Islam or its Prophet and blasphemy, which could potentially be used to prosecute persons for apostasy. This category of countries includes Algeria, Bahrain, Indonesia, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Oman, and Syria. However, of the countries surveyed, Egypt is the only country known to have prosecuted apostasy in this manner. In 2007, a person who converted to Christianity was convicted under the country’s blasphemy laws.”
I would like to add that Muslim countries are not the only ones with apostasy and blasphemy laws. Insulting Buddha is also a criminal offense in some countries. But these laws are more common in the Middle East and Africa in Muslim majority countries.
Criticizing or insulting Islam or the Prophet usually generates a passionate, sometimes violent, response. Ayan Hirsi Ali’s calls for the reformation of Islam, improving the lives of women and the treatment of gays, Jews, and apostates, has been universally condemned, and even met with death threats. I consider Westernized Muslims to be a type of Protestant or reformer. But preaching a milder form of Islam would be a dangerous proposition in the deep extremist parts of the world. For instance, how would an Imam anywhere in the ME be met if he proclaimed that all the other Imams were wrong, and we must encourage gay men to live out in the open and live happily together as couples?
I greatly enjoyed this article, where Hillary Clinton was still promoting that the attack on the embassy in Libya was because of a video, when we now know that she knew at the time that it was a pre-planned terrorist attack.
Anywhere, the article discusses efforts by Muslim countries to enact a worldwide ban on insulting the Prophet.
And, of course, vulgar and reductive village atheists are out in force, attracted like flies to s***.
Your comments often carry the greatest scent.
Do you go trawling through the newspapers hunting down items like this? You live in a world with 7 bn people in it and some of them say strange things. Appellate judges in your own country have uttered worse nonsense, and it has real consquences, which this man’s remarks do not.
IIRC, Malaysia is considered the most moderate majority-Muslim country.
Religion, like slavery, is a self-serving edict. Our wealth-based economy, like religion, serves the same purpose. We fight their wars, landscape their shrubbery, and give them our children to use at their pleasure. When will we ever learn?
As an atheist myself, I find you odd.
Islam is not only a religion but a practice. A practice of leading a pious life . It is a religion where women are given respect, they are taught the concept of” parda ” and men are supposed to lower their gaze ..plz don’t make any conclusions. ..if don’t know about something in detail
Damn Muzzies! They ought to at least wait until the girl is 12 years old like in the U.S.!!!
Seriously though, I suspect that more 9 year old Americans are having sex, as a percentage, than the Muzzies. And don;’t even get me started on alleged Tranny kids in the U.S.
How ’bout you Crispy Christies? Jesus, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
Aye. One wag took a look up and down at the history of lobotomy in this country and asked if there wasn’t an analogy in our own time with ‘sex-reassgnment’ procedures. She nailed it.
Never thought about it that way, but I googled it and found several articles! Here is one:
Thanks for the tip!
And the bible declares that women must submit to their husbands. Just ask Michelle “Chutzpah” Bachmann.
All religions are f***ing nuts.
You clearly don’t know the bible well enough to quote from it.
“…and moral under Islamic law.”
I don’t know where these cultures are on the timeline of “enlightenment”, but until they have the vision for equality and unalienable rights to guide them, then no transformation should be expected. This is also why no country should accept Sharia Law to be practiced under the guise of religious liberty.
There was “nothing wrong” with anti-semitism under the Nuremberg Laws either. Because something is legal, does not make it moral or just.
Similarly, because something is advanced in the media as fact (“the Syrian govt. released Sarin gas”) does not make it fact.
Personally, I find this horrifying.
I agre Paul – i think it’s absolutely awful!
Words fail me before this horror! As a European I deplore Sharia law infiltrating our legal systems
The European Court of Human Rights declared that “sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy.”
Because it diverges so much from Western principles “particularly with regard to its criminal law and criminal procedure, its rules on the legal status of women and the way it intervenes in all spheres of private and public life in accordance with religious precepts.”
I hate to think that freedoms we have long fought for are being overthrown
Just shows how all cultures are not same.
While some cultures negatively sanction oppressive male instincts, the fact that other cultures approve and advance them allows us a window into the psyche of unfettered instincts. Religion has historically been used to advance the oppressive instincts of those who wrote or ordered the writing of the religious dogma. To imply that a superhuman entity approves of oppression seems to relieve the perpetrators of any guilt for openly oppressing others.
Good analysis. We see male hedonism masquerading as religion, one of many covers.
You imply there is no female hedonism. Have you heard about:
– Male college students summarily dismissed from their schools in response to unsubstantiated rape stories, only to be later reinstated after being forced to file suit against those schools for violating their due process Rights? Worse yet, many of those accusers later recanted? [JT – are you listening?]
– Male employees losing their jobs from false accusations of sexual harassment?
– ‘Human Resources’ becoming an occupying force not unlike the Nazi’s in WWII, bending and kowtowing to female employees and being completely maligned against male employees? Can you say EEOC?
– I could go on.
NO gender – or religion – has a premium on sexism, genderism, misogyny, or misandry.
I would think that a belief system whose prophet encouraged rape, polygamy, child sexual abuse, wife beating etc, has a premium!
Maybe in an alternate universe, in this one the potential husband is called a dirty, low, slimeball. The cleric and any other man or woman with this opinion should be neutered.
This is not at all islam . Islam is very different from what shehabudin has shown in the above extract. This is completely rubbish . Islam is against rape . Its zina and fully wrong in the eyes of islam. Islam is a religion which supports women gives them respect …i don’t what thisman is trying to prove .
“This is not at all islam . Islam is very different from what shehabudin has shown in the above extract.”
If you are not sure what this man is trying to prove then you may want to investigate that. The fact he is a MP might give some weight to the fact he and his supporters would disagree with your understanding of what Islam is. Good luck with that.
I don’t know what kind of Islam you practice, but I’ve seen this view put forth many times from Islamic leaders. They showed a photo of a line of about 50 Muslim men all dressed up in nice suits each with a 5 year old bride dressed in white getting married. What a sick thing.
Have you watched the film, The Stoning of Soraya M? Based on the bestselling book, by French-Iranian author, Freidoune Shaebjam, called La Femme Lapidee. Child brides are common in the Muslim culture.
The WORLD seems to have a pedophile problem. And Satan dances to the music of Rebellion.
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