New York Times: Trump Jr. Told In Advance That Anti-Clinton Information Was Coming From Russian Government To Help His Dad

220px-Nytimes_hqThe New York Times is reporting that “Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy.”  That would be a significant development in supporting allegations of “collusion.”  I am still skeptical of the alleged crime of collusion and even more skeptical of the alleged crime related to this meeting.  I am also confused by the NYT story which says that the email from publicist Rob Goldstone acknowledged that the information was coming from the Kremlin but the article quotes Goldstone in saying that he had no knowledge of any such connection to the Russian government.

The newspaper says that three people said that the memo from Goldstone was described to it by three people and indicated that the source of the information was the Russian government and that it wanted to pass along damaging information against Hillary Clinton.

I have previously questioned the basis for claiming that Trump Jr. committed a crime in holding this meeting in the hopes of finding dirt on Clinton.  Some have argued that receiving intelligence from the Russian would be akin to an illegal campaign contribution.

However, the article raises more questions than answers. If the Kremlin was behind this information, why didn’t this mysterious Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually pass along such information? Instead, she is described by various people as stating some generalities about possible Russian support for Clinton without any support or documentation. If the Russians were making such a play to influence the election in favor of Clinton, this is a curious way to going about it.  First, they arrange a bizarrely high-profile meeting (when real spies tend to find third parties to get or transmit information).  Second, they secure the meeting but do not bring even a detailed account, let alone documents, to support the allegation.  Finally, if Trump had acted on that information, it would have been a disaster since it would have been baseless and unsupported.  To this day, there has been no evidence of Russian financial support to the Clinton campaign or Democratic National Committee.

It is also weird that Goldstone admitted that he spoke with the Trump team before speaking with the New York Times.  He then categorically denied the allegation and said that he was merely passing along a request from the father of his client  pop star Emin Agalarov.  Mr. Agalarov was an associated of Trump Sr. in the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow in 2013.  He said that he was told that Veselnitskaya had information of possible illegal campaign contributions from Russia for Clinton.  He told the NYT that he “never, never, ever “thought (or presumably said) that the information was coming from the Russian government.”  That leaves us in a rather weird position.  It is hard to believe that this man (or the Trump team) is so stupid as to go over the memo and then tell the media something diametrically opposite of what the memo actually says.  Obviously the memo is going to be reviewed and eventually released.

So where does that leave us?  In a word, confused.  The NYT article itself seems conflicted on what the memo actually said.  If the memo did state that the Russian government wanted to pass damaging information on Clinton, why didn’t it?  If such information was going to be fed to the Trump campaign, it would still leave us with the legal question of whether information can now be treated as a thing of value under federal campaign laws.  However, it would be good to understand what is being specifically represented as to the pre-meeting communications from Goldstone.

613 thoughts on “New York Times: Trump Jr. Told In Advance That Anti-Clinton Information Was Coming From Russian Government To Help His Dad

  1. I don’t think anyone has questioned your qualifications as a journalist, Louise.
    Your ignorance, bias, and laziness probably made that occupation a good fit for you.
    As I said before, your moronic posts help explain the state of “journalism”, and the growing contempt for what passes for journalism.

    • Your. moronic posts here mean nothing to me. They come from a Trump supporter, after all and belong in the trash file. I’m rather proud that you think I was not a good journalist. That’s one more feather in my cap. I couldn’t recieve a better compliment. I’d be horrified if the likes of you thought I was good. What an insult that woud be! I will wear your opinion of me as a badge of honor. Nothing could make me feel more confident that I have done a great job.

      • Yes, I already conceded that you were well suited for your job.
        You don’t know anything, and pretend that you are well-informed.
        That’s what probably qualified you as a “journalist”.

        Continue wearing your ignorance and laziness as a badge of honor.

        • I hope you will wear your ignorance and laziness as a badgec of honor, right next to yout Trump badge. Of course, all you need is the Trunp badge to tell the world of your gross political stupidity. Nearly everyone woukd recignise it the monent they realize that you support the worst president we’ve ever had. You can’t hide it.. It’s as obvious as the nose on your face. His world wide approval ratings tell the tale. You should be ashamed to support such an idiot, but you are evidently too stupid to be ashamed. Trump must have made you stupid, if you weren’t stupid already. Your support is certainly not making you look any smarter to anyone with at least half a functioning brain. Of course, you look like a genius to other Trump supporters. How could they see you otherwise? I do hope none of your politicsl ignorance rubbed off on your students. They apparently had enough problems already. They didn’t need any more. They would have come out of their classes with you more stupid than when they went in–not an easy accomplishment.

          • Louise,..
            I’ve mentioned here a number of times that, for the first time I’ve been eligible to vote, I left the top line ( for President) blank.
            I didn’t feel that either candidate was fit to be President.
            Continue with your “Trump Supporter” BS….it just adds another feather in your cap of ignorance.
            I think that journalist should know something.
            And I think they should have enough curiosity/ambition to do at least basic research to get up to speed.
            That’s where we differ. For you, agenda supercedes knowledge.
            I think it’s important for a journalist to have some knowledge, and I even think intregity for journalists is important.
            You’ve demonstated your ignorance again and again….facts do not matter to you, the agenda is all important.
            To repeat, journalists are increasingly viewed as ill-informed, biased clowns.
            You have demonstrated why that view of “journalists” is now a majority view.

            • Hey TNash, I thought this was spot on – picked it off of Zero Hedge

              Here’s a taste of the Random Content-Free News Generator Application that would produce “news” that was virtually indistinguishable from the “real” news.

              Traffic is backed up near the (insert the usual congestion point) on the I-XX (local Interstate/highway). (TV/video: show randomly selected video clip of slow-moving traffic).

              A serious accident occurred on I-XX (TV newscasters look somber if the wreck resulted in fatalities.)

              Local Authorities held a news conference to Say What People Want to Hear about (insert hot-button topic): this concern is being addressed by authorities. We’ve got top people working on this–top people. (Newscasters look serious.)

              A horrific terrorist attack occurred somewhere in the world–insert semi-randomly selected city, with preference given to Mideast and Central Asian war zones and Western capitals.

              Bad weather of some kind is threatening us, or could threaten us shortly. (Insert video clip of flooding, heavy rain, or scorching heat in desert climes, etc.)

              Sports celebrity XYZ apologizes for (choose one or more: spousal abuse, gambling, serial infidelity, public drunkenness, loutish treatment of adoring fans, etc.) while his wife/family/attorney hover in the background.

              Coach XYZ explains why the team lost: the other team made some key plays, we lost focus, our guys/gals gave it their all, but we see some areas of improvement we’re going to work on, etc.

              The latest food fad taking the hipster ‘hoods by storm is (combine traditional ingredient with an Asian or Indian flavor: kim-chee-flavored watermelon, etc.)

              Somebody graduated (heart-warming story that gives newscasters a chance to smile): insert video of cute kindergartners collecting their diplomas, Grandmother in cap and gown, etc. (An over-credentialed society loves to see graduations, especially of kids, elders and underdogs–supporting the narrative that our meritocracy thrives on piling up credentials.)

              Good news on the economy: insert manipulated official statistic on declining unemployment, higher median wages, rising home values, etc. Alternative report: insert story of an underdog taking ownership of a house for the first time, new food truck serving customers, etc.

              You don’t see this every day: insert YouTube clip of person being struck by lightning but miraculously walking away, truck overturning on a highway, spilling huge steel girders, etc.

              More evidence surfaces that Russia Did Something Bad to Us (insert random clip of Putin, Russian missiles, etc.)

              Self-congratulatory advertorial: We’re doing a great job here, folks, of investigating what needs to be investigated and reporting what needs to be reported, etc. Count on us for “real news.” We’re “your” trustworthy news source, even though we’re all owned by six corporations or billionaires with political agendas:

            • I’ ve never net a journalist who is anywhere near as ill-informed, biased and clownish as you are and I’ve known many. You”recthe worst.. You are the most stupid person I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. You’re worse tham Alan, which is a big compliment to Alan and would be an insult to you if you had at least half a functioning brain.

              • Louise says “I’ ve never net a journalist who is anywhere near as ill-informed, biased and clownish as you are and I’ve known many. You”recthe worst.. You are the most stupid person I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. You’re worse tham Alan,”

                tnash for the first time I am insulted. The parrot said you were worse than me. I object!

          • Sad and pathetic as usual Louse. TNash is actually one of the best folks on this blog as he/she/zer is actually INTERESTED and INTERESTING in exploring issues and people’s perspective. Of which you are neither. Dull ass Soros Correct the Record POS

            • Thanks, Autumn.
              -Two of the icons of real journalism are Brian Lamb of C-SPAN and Jim Leher, who anchored the PBS Newshour for years.
              Leher made an interesting comment when he said that he viewed his primary obligation in presenting the news was “to tell the people what happened”.
              He (and Lamb) knew their stuff
              ….I don’t think I ever saw either one of them go into a story “cold”.
              And they kept their personal beliefs out of their reporting, to the degree that it wss even hard to discern their own position on the issues.
              We are now so far away from those standards of journalism that there has been a rebellion, a backlash, against much of the media.
              “Straight” reporting seems to have been abandoned, replaced by agenda driven choice and treatment of the issues that are covered.
              I don’t think that trend will be reversed anytime soon, especially given the 24/7 frenzied news cycle.

    • I’m not going to continue with this stupidity. Find someone else to tell you you’re an idiot. It shouldn’t be hard to find someone.

        • emmendation I regret having compared the idiots commiserating over HRCs loss to AA. I have friends and family members who have benefited greatly from AA.

        • Autumn, perhaps Louise ought to sign up with parrot anonymous. It must be a blast listiening to all those parrots saying the exact same thing.

          • We’re used to hearing parrots say exactly the same thing–Republican parrots. I have yet to hear an independent thought from even one of them.

            • “We’re used to hearing parrots say exactly the same thing”

              Louise, you are surrounded by parrots. According to the press the Republicans are in disarray. That hardly sounds like parrots repeating one another. But one of your parrots said something so you and the pandemonium of parrots repeated it.

    • “I don’t think anyone has questioned your qualifications as a journalist, Louise.
      Your ignorance, bias, and laziness probably made that occupation a good fit for you.”

      tnash In the world of real jounalism the jounalists work their stories and produce newsworthy material whether their ideology is on the left or right. The parrot can only mindlessly repeat the left side of the page.

      • You dig your own grave every time you post, Allan. The more you say the more stupid you look to anyone with at least half a functioning brain. Keep digging. It’s the Republican way.

      • Allan,…
        Unfortunately, “the world of real journalism” is shrinking.
        And we’ve been treated example after example right here on this thread of just how low the standards are for that occupation.
        I’ll try to defend the “worse than Allan” title.😊
        But doing so might require regular monitoring of and response to her comments.
        Going forward, I’ll read maybe one in ten of her comments.
        The other nine are likely to be identical, so it’s not like I’d miss anything.

        • “I’ll try to defend the “worse than Allan” title.😊”

          In the spirit of generosity I give that title to you. 🙂 I don’t think the parrot is all there.

          • I will no longer respond to insulting diatribes–it is not worth my time. If you can’t state your position without insults, you prove your ignorance. It’s obvious to anyone with at least half a functioning brain that Allan and a few other people on this blog are incapable of engaging in a civil discussion. They deserve to be ignored by people on both sides of the aisle.

  2. Well, it’s time to ruin Silver’s, Enigma’s, Louise’s, Frankly’s, and a few other shills’ days! Straight from the FEC website:

    Volunteer activity

    Generally, an individual (including a foreign national) may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer “exemption” as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone. The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to several situations involving volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.

    In AO 2014-20 (Make Your Laws PAC), the Commission concluded that a political action committee could accept assistance from a foreign national in developing intellectual property for the PAC, such as trademarks, graphics, and website design because the services accepted by the PAC would fall under the volunteer exemption. Similarly, in AO 2004-26 (Weller), the Commission held that a foreign national could attend, speak at campaign events for a federal candidate, and solicit contributions to the campaign. However, the Commission cautioned that the foreign national could not manage or participate in any of the campaign committee’s decision-making processes. See also AOs 2007-22 (Hurysz) and 1987-25 (Otaola).

    In MUR 5987, the Commission examined a situation in which a foreign national provided an uncompensated musical concert performance as a volunteer for a federal candidate’s campaign as part of a fundraising event. The candidate’s campaign had paid all of the costs of hosting the concert, including the rental of the venue and equipment and providing security. The performer had merely provided his uncompensated volunteer services to the campaign and had not participated in any of the campaign’s decision-making. Based on these facts, the Commission found no reason to believe that the foreign national or the federal candidate’s committee had violated the Act’s foreign national prohibition.

    https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • Re: “volunteer activity”

      Another great entry Squeeky. The gaggle of the mindless will immediately forget this bit of input and continue on their way. What are the odds that any of them will admit that their opinions have changed based upon this information?

  3. Sequence is off, so I’ll try this again.
    Frankly noted at 2:24 that it’s a mistake to say that negative opposition research has “no monetary value”.
    My response was “Yeah, ask Chrisropher Steele or Fusion GPS”.
    My comment didn’t post as a reply to Frankly……it turned uo somewhere else..
    so I’m reentering it here.

  4. Ynot – no one does a circle jerk for a cookie and it cannot be done alone. It requires a ‘circle’. Where did you grow up?

  5. Ynot, I got your response to my comment to squeeky on the notification emails, but apparently it was removed for good reason. Your mind is in the gutter. Thanks for letting me know who and what you are.

  6. So why was Veselnitskaya hanging out with Obama officials just days after her meeting with Donald Trump Jr.? And why was Veselnitskaya given a privileged seat up front during the Congressional hearing?
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg

    Important? Nah, a more relevant question is how many scoops of ice cream is President Trump getting served these days?

    MPP

    • Of greater relevance- International Business Times article title, “DeVos Invested in Military Tech Contractor Run by Son-in-Law while Brother Shaped Afghan War Policy”

      • A private army in service to the unhinged president, who is surrounded by family willing to collude with Russia….what could possible go wrong in the American oligarchy?

  7. Well, based on Donald Jr.’s very own emails, the Trump campaign was more than willing to collude with the Russians to win the election. The only question left to ask is whether or not those here have a problem with a Presidential candidate colluding with a hostile foreign power to win themselves an election. If it were the Iranians instead of the Russians, if Trump had colluded with Iran, would you all be as forgiving?

    • L Silver:
      “The only question left to ask is whether or not those here have a problem with a Presidential candidate colluding with a hostile foreign power to win themselves an election.”
      ************************************
      Since Your Eminence has ascended the Displaying Peacock Morality Throne (no criminality being alleged) perhaps you could opine of this item:

      “A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.”

      http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

      • Don’t you know that it’s ok when a Republican does it, especially a Trump supporter? Sheesh! I thought everybody knew tthat.

  8. Sorry, but the attacks on Trump of “Conspiring with the Rooskies” have about as much substance as my lunch, which consisted of a nothingburger and a vapor side salad, washed down with an air-shake. Deal with it.

  9. […] Certainly, this is disconcerting, though the meeting is not illegal and there is no indication or evidence that any dirt on Clinton was ever divulged during Trump Jr.,’s meeting with Ms. Veselnitskaya, let alone acted upon after their June rendezvous. Also, please read Guy’s post on this development. The Times article of the email also left Mr. Turley saying that it leaves us with more questions than answers: […]

  10. Never forget that the information exposed during the campaign regarding Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party was not fake news. Actual crimes were committed that have not yet been fully investigated by an independent prosecutor. Furthermore, we had an administration that chose to ignore the alleged Russian involvement and that has not been fully investigated. Lastly, all the claims of collusion between an enemy government and the Trump administration have only highlighted the collusion between an enemy media and the left-wing political class of our own government.

    MPP (more popcorn please)

    Let’s just keep this thing going.

    • Oily, please pass the popcorn. It’s nice sitting here and letting some idiotic rhetoric entertain us. The problem is the story is getting old. What number complaint aginst Trump made by the left are we up to? I know how many were successful, Zero.

    • Yes, I’m sure Fox News colluded with the left-wing political class. Breitbart colluded so much that Steve Bannon became Trump’s bff. When you brand the press as the enemy, it means that you have no respect for the 1st Amendment. And that makes [b]you[/b] the enemy of American values. Enjoy your popcorn.

      • When you brand the press as the enemy, it means that you have no respect for the 1st Amendment.

        No one, especially the 4th estate gets a pass for being a threat to this country. I’ll brand anyone an enemy of the state that threatens this republic. As is my right.

        MPP

        • Just remember, the whole branding thing works both ways. Some might consider you the enemy to American ideals and a threat to the republic.

      • L Silver – the press??? bought and paid for now hurting since HRC didn’t win. If you want real media go to YouTube

          • Ken – Google may own YouTube but many citizen journalists have their own shows and they do not have to answer to the corporados. Only fools and older people who are not online take the MSM seriously Oh, and die hard Dems.

            • Citizen “journalists.” Haha. I love this place. Where else can I see the loon who wears tinfoil capes and thinks J. Edgar himself was standing on the grassy knoll be referred to as a citizen “journalist.” Please post more of this type of material; I need the chuckles….

              This is to Autumn of the black helicopters.

              • Mark M – where I used to live in South Phoenix, they tested the black helicopters. We used to see a new test group about every quarter.

  11. I’ll dismiss everyone who commented without reading the full text of the Donald Trump, Jr emails regarding the meeting in which he was told specifically the promised information was coming from the Russian Government. Is there anyone out there who has read the full transcript of the emails (released by Donald Trump, Jr) that still doesn’t see a problem? His latest statement from his new criminal lawyer makes the 4th version in as many days.

    • I read it. Gathering opposition research is another day at the office, in the practice of law, in politics, in pretty much every profession where there is …….wait for it……. opposition or competition.

      I really do feel bad for y’all …. this desperate gotcha search every day has got to be an exhausting roller coaster ride ……..

      • You seem to have lost track of who the opposition is. A great majority of the Russian people recognize the US as their foe. Republicans who until recently were hawks on Russia have followed Trump into the rabbit hole because they can’t admit the Emperor is butt ass naked. No clothes, no policies, no honor and no ability to tell the truth. When they come for him you’ll be shocked, shocked to learn what was going on in this administration.

        • “A great majority of the Russian people recognize the US as their foe.”

          Enig, when you say things you should be prepared with some proof that what you said is valid.

          • I’d attempt to document it but already realize that no source would be considered legitimate. Have it your way, despite the punishing sanctions we’re imposing on them helping ruin their economy, they love us.

            • You make promises, but never deliver. You have proven my case. Nothing you say is based upon fact. At least Squeeky’s Nigerian Prince is trying to do something useful for himself…make money.

              Do you know why the Nigerian Prince(s) continues to write emails that everyone knows is fake? Because the dummies who know nothing are the ones the Prince is targetting. Be careful and be more prepared with proof or he will get your email.

        • The “untouchable” and beneficiary of welfare and affirmative action has issued his

          government-mandated, “intellectual,” counterintuitively arrogant and impossibly condescending,

          official edict.

          I say, remember the days of merit.

          Alas they were soooo long ago.

        • These people won’t be shocked, at all. The Clown Prince is doing exactly what they hoped he would do, (attempting) shredding the social safety net that keeps “those people” from dying, and (promising the) passing of laws to keep “those people” from being so uppity. To them, that’s more important than safeguarding the country from Russian infiltration; their blind hatred (and fear?) has led them to lose sight of who the enemy is. The only saving grace in this whole train wreck of an administration is that most of the players are incompetent and don’t even know what they don’t even know; Except apparently, for the special prosecutor……..

          This is to enigma.

      • It wasn’t Junior’s meeting with the Russians that was the worst part of this sorry affair. It’s that he LIED about meetng Russians when he was asked directly, “Did you meet with anyone connected to the Russian government?” He said NO, unequivocally. What was he trying to hide? They didn’t ask him if he met with Russians to discuss the campaign or adoptions. He said he did not meet with any Russians period. THAT’s where the charges will spring from–the lie rather than the meeting itself, though it looks as if the meeting was for nefarious reasons as well.

        • Louise, Did he lie or did he not remember? Who knows. The question is did he do anything wrong and if so what. I asked that of enig earlier and he had no satisfactory answer. Its not a good thing that his answer wasn’t exactly correct, but was it good when Hillary lied about her emails, then after a Congressional request deleted them and then destroyed the hard disc?

          • Apparently you have proof that that’s what happened, or are you mouthing what you’ve heard on Fox News? The subject now is whether Trump or his minions met with Russians to upend the election. Hillary’s emails have nothing to do with that. Why bring in a red herring? Oh, I forgot, it’s Republicans we’re talking about, silly me!

            • The proof is before Congress, in Hillary’s own words etc.

              I didn’t accuse Trump of anything. You did so it is up to you to prove your accusation.

              Apparently you have never heard of innocent until proven guilty. Ah, but then what should I expect from a person’s whose accusations never have merit and never have proof

              • Squeeks, aren’t you out on parole for the Manson murders? I’d keep a low profile if I were you. You could e sent back to serve your “life” sentence.

                  • She was connected to Manson. But don’t let that stop you from trading on her name. I can see why you’d rather be connected to a presidential would-be assassin than a Manson follower. It makes you look highly intelligent.

              • “I’m usingbthe Republican playbook. It worked so well for them.”

                As I said earlier if you had power you would be a dangerous ideologue. Very anti-American without understanding of the Constitution and perhaps without the abiity to recognize right and wrong.

                  • “Look in the mirror.”

                    I said that earlier so you flatter me by repeating it. However, you are the dangerous ideologue. I believe in our Republic, the Constitution and the people. You only believe in one side of the isle. If we get enough people like you we will have a dictatorship.

                    • “Your opinions are no better than your spelling.”

                      It’s mostly not my spelling, but my typing. Normally I have someone like you do this type of work and have them use a spell and grammar checker. Then I see to it that the work product is carefully reviewed.

                      I see that you don’t like my opinions. I am relieved for if a person like you liked my opinions I would have to reevaluate what I said.

                    • A spell checker wouldn’t have picked that up becaise your misspelling was a legitimate word, just the wrong word. You need to know when something is misspelled on your own, but that’s asking for a lot.

                    • Louise Hudson – you misspell because and you complain about others. Personally, I only mention it when it results in a funny (haha) result. I think faster than I type so I make my fair share of typos. 😉

                    • “Louise Hudson – you misspell because and you complain about others. Personally, I only mention it when it results in a funny (haha) result. I think faster than I type so I make my fair share of typos. 😉”

                      Paul, Louise is busy checking the spelling on all the responses with her spell checker.Let her be. That menial task apparently is the best she can do. Maybe one day she will learn how to put words together and then thoughts. Right now she spell checks and copies.

            • No, it is your hypocrisy that is at issue. With Hillary, there is no speculation about did she, or didn’t she. For just one example:

              Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

              Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

              A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

              http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

              If you DNC shills really think that “collusion” is a crime, then you should be demanding a Special Prosecutor for Hillary. But you aren’t. Because you guys are not sincere. You are like the Preacher who gets caught in a motel room with two hookers, and some blow. That is why nobody really takes your complaints seriously.

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              • Ah, false equivalence at its most hypocritical. Very telling that you left off this tidbit from the same article “The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.”

                • Read what you just wrote: “advancing the narrative”—not a word about the narrative actually being true.

                  If you want to include speculative stuff in your cites, then do so. But if you will read what I wrote above, I was not interested in the speculative stuff, but the actual confirmed stuff.

                  Squeeky Fromm
                  Girl Reporter

                  • Strange that the actual confirmed stuff from this speculative report about Clinton/Ukraine ties worries you but not the actual confirmed stuff from Trump Jr’s emails.

                    Again, false equivalence

                    • Not that REALITY is something that concerns you, but in the Ukraine Matter, they not only met with the foreigners, but got info. All that you can say about Trump Jr. is that he met with someone.

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • @ Squeaky Fromm

                      “All that you can say about Trump Jr. is that he met with someone.”

                      False equivalence yet again and I can say more than that

                      He, along with the Trump frickin’ campaign manager, met with a person purporting to represent the Russian government, specifically to get dirt on the opposition.

                      What Clinton official other than a 3rd party researcher may have met with the Ukrainians?

                      I can also say that emails, likely hacked by Russian sponsored entities, were released to Wikileaks with the specific intent to cause maximum damage to the Clinton campaign. The same Russia that met with trump Jr and the Trump campaign manager,

                      All you can do is try to convince yourself that this was worth it to get an unqualified man child elected to run the most powerful and complex government in the world. Nice.

              • Squeeky, Paul Manafort was a top advisor to Ukraine’s former President; a Putin ally. Manafort’s connection there was disturbing enough that Trump was forced to drop him as Campaign Manager.

          • Oh, righ! It’s so hard to remember when you’ve met with Russians about election collusion. So easy to forget, especially when you’ve been asked directly. He’s too young to be suffering from age-related memory loss. Meeting with Russians dueing an election isn’t something a mentally stable person would forget, but, then, we’re talking about the son of a master manuipulator, so why wouldn’t he convenientky “forget.”? He learned from an expert: when you’ve been caught lying in response to a direct question, say you forget. Or some cockroach will crawl out of the wall and say it for you,

            • As said over and over again you draw conclusions before knowing the facts. What can I say. Your perfect world is where you are judge, jury and prosecutor. Thank goodness I live in the USA where we have a bit of common sense and your form of justice doesn’t exist.

              • As the Republicans did to Bill Clinton, do you mean? They had him charged, convicted and strung up on the gallows when the first word was said about Monica Lewinsky. Then, of course, there was Obama having been born in Kenya. Republicans KNEW that was the case and called for his impeachment without a scrap,of evidence. Trump was one of the most scurrilous of birthers, if you haven’t convenientky forgotten about that. But he’s presented as a paragon of virtue now to ignorant Republicans.

                • Louise, I didn’t support what the Republicans tried to do to Bill Clinton because of the Monica Lewinsky affair.I thought it stupid.

                  The birther story about Obama was started by the Hillary campaign. Obama is partly at fault. I never believed he was born outside of the country. But questions regarding the birth certificate remain. One of the reasons brought forward as to why some belief the certificate is false is not because of place of birth rather paternity. I personally don’t care.

                  Trump is doing a reasonably good job considering the fact he gets little help from either the Democrats or the Republicans. WE will have to wait and see, but as long as he progresses in a positive way I will support his actions.

                  • But questions regarding the birth certificate remain.

                    There are no ‘questions regarding his birth certificate’. What happened was just what Ann Coulter predicted would happen: when the long-form certificate was released, the birther diehards just moved on to another contrived objection, one which required we accept the black box assessment of some firm hired by Sheriff Arpaio (which, in turn, requires we believe that Gov. Lingle’s health commissioner lied through her teeth when she said she’d examined the original personally in the state archives).

                    The whole discourse was silly. Here we have the child of two students at the University of Hawaii. Where would you expect him to be born but in Honolulu? Where is there any authenticated documentary evidence he was born anywhere else? Why would two impecunious college students engage in time consuming and expensive foreign travel so that Ann Dunham could avail herself of the spledour of Kenyan obstetric care and Barack Obama, Sr could introduce his white paramour to his lawful wife?

                    • DSS, Believe whatever you wish. He was President and he was born in Hawaii which makes the Presidency legitimate. Paternity was frequently a legitimate question in the past.

                    • Even if he had been born in Kenya, he would have been considered an American citizen because his mother was an American citizen. Who his father was would have made no difference. So everyone who danced on the banwagon saying he was born in Kenya and not the US had no case. Having been born in Kenya would not have prevented him from becoming president. IMO, the whole birther movement was based on racism and Republican ignorance, nothing new.

                    • lousie, who cares? I don’t. Take the issue up with one that cares. I didn’t like Obama because he was an economic disaster and was a destroyer instead of a builder. That is my opinion that I can back up with real data. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish even though you appear to have little knowledge to back up what you believe.

                    • That’s what all the racists say. They have a whole s—load of reasons they hated Obama, anything but race. Nobody with at least half a functioning brain will believe you. You’re a dyed-in-the-wool racist.

                    • “That’s what all the racists say. They have a whole s—load of reasons they hated Obama, anything but race. Nobody with at least half a functioning brain will believe you. You’re a dyed-in-the-wool racist.”

                      As I have said over and over again you are dangerous. You play the race card any chance you get. You are ignorant about what racism is and racist to use the race card the way you do. Remember, it was the Democrats that brought the KKK to the Democratic convention in the 20’s. I don’t think most Democrats are racist, but you certainly qualify as a hidden racist that pretends not to be.

                    • You’r a birther and you call me a racist. Why? Fir sticking up for Obama? I’d rather have anyone of any race in the White House instead of one Republican of any race. If that makes me a racist, I guess that’s what I must be. I’d prefer a snake in the White House over Trump. .

                    • “You’r a birther and you call me a racist. Why? Fir sticking up for Obama? ”

                      Firstly, Lousie, I never believed Obama was born anywhere but in Hawaii. I said that to you and others. Nome the less you intentionally lied because you don’t have the intellect to intelligently discuss the situation.

                      I didn’t call you a racist for sticking up for Obama. That would be crazy. I called you a hidden racist because knowing how horrible racism is you used it as a weapon and in the process demeaned the suffering of all those that were the recipients of racism. That is a very ugly way of acting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

                    • Thanks for the explanation. It tells me more about you than it does about your idol Trump.

                    • “Thanks for the explanation. It tells me more about you than it does about your idol Trump.”

                      I’m glad you now understand and that I could help you in the process. I’m a nice guy and quite fair when I evaluate a President.

                      Let me correct you once more. Trump is not my idol. He is my President. Faced with the choice of a candidate I believe to be criminal based upon all those things previously stated I chose Trump. I believe he is doing a better job than I expected and now am happy he is in the White House. I supported another candidate and even considered supporting one of the Democratic nominees who was bounced out early. It’s hard to pick from a list of politicians since all of them use puffery to obtain votes.

                      I hope you have a good nights sleep and wake up on a more satisfactory side of the bed.

                • Obongo will never be eligible for the presidency because his father was a foreign citizen.

                  The Jay/Washington letter of July,1787, raised the requirement for president from “citizen” to “natural born citizen” to place a “strong check” against foreign allegiances by the commander-in-chief.

                  “Natural born citizen” was defined by the Law of Nations, Book 1, Ch 19, Section 212, which concluded with “…it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen;…”

                  The English Common Law phrase of “natural born subjects” had no relevance or bearing in 1789 America and, as George Mason indicated, it was out with the old and in with the new as he said,

                  “…We are placed in a still better condition — in a more favorable situation than perhaps any people ever were before. We have it in our power to secure our liberties and happiness on the most unshaken, firm, and permanent basis. We can establish what government we please…The common law of England is not the common law of these states.”

                  The Law of Nations, 1758, was the legal text and reference of the era and “…has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting,…” according to Ben Franklin in his letter of thanks, Dec. 9, 1775, to Charles Dumas for sending three copies of the Law of Nations.

                  The Naturalization Act of 1790 –

                  “And the children of citizens of the United States,…shall be considered as natural born citizens:…”

                  Obongo was not a child “…of citizens of the United States…” and he was not “…born of a father who is a citizen…”

                  Obongo is an ineligible empty suit imposter who was ensconced by the “ruling class” of globalists who have committed election fraud and manipulation through “invasion immigration” for the purpose of corrupting elections throughout America. Treason to be sure.

                  P.S. Globalists nullify and void the sovereignty of individual nations. Nullifying and voiding national sovereignty is treason. Globalists commit treason. Obongo is the very personification of a globalist. Obongo is a traitor who engaged in unconstitutionally, and with treasonous intent, “fundamentally transforming” America.

                  • Your scurrilous use of Obongo proves more than anything I can say that you are a dyed in the wool racist. There is no requirement that a person running for president must have a father who was an American citizen when the candidate was born. If you think there is please produce evidence.

                    “The Naturalization Act of 1790 expanded the class of citizens at birth to include children born abroad of citizen mothers as long as the father had at least been resident in the United States at some point. But Congress eliminated that differential treatment of citizen mothers and fathers before any of the potential candidates in the current presidential election were born. Thus, in the relevant time period, and subject to certain residency requirements, children born abroad of a citizen parent were citizens from the moment of birth, and thus are “natural born Citizens.”

                    https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

                    So, even if Obama were born in Kenya as the moronic birthers claimed, he would still be eligible to be presidenr of the United States. So every outrageously ignoramt thing they said about his birth meant absolutely nothing. He would have been eligible for the presidency no matter where he had been born because his mother was a US citizen. . The birthers wasted everyone’s time, including their own, and our so-called president was one of them.

                    • I assume that you are too lazy to actually do the research, so here it is for you:

                      The unique twist in the Obama case, if there is one at all, is the suggestion that Obama may have been born to a U.S. citizen mother while in Kenya. If this were true, the statute today would be no problem for him: he would clearly be a natural born citizen. However, prior to 1964 (Obama being born in 1961), the U.S. citizen mother giving birth abroad also had to live in the United States for at least one year after her 18th birthday and prior to the child’s birth. If Obama had in fact been born in Kenya, his mother would have been just nine months past her 18th birthday, and thus he could not have been a natural born citizen.

                      http://rodmartin.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-natural-born-citizen/

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • Right wing logic. Why don’t you have the Obama presidency declared invalid since you have all the facts on your side? What are you doing wasting time on an Internet blog when you have an unassailable case? You’re letting diwn your side–the ignorant and racist right wing. But go ahead, waste time here. You’ll save a lot of people a lot of headaches. Too bad you don’t know how stupid you look.

                    • Louise – true, Obama would have citizenship from his mother’s but would have been unable to run for President. This was an issue for McCain, first time he ran. He was born in the Canal Zone in a US military hospital. That, like an embassy, is considered American soil.

                      The birther story was probably started by Podesta and spread thru the Democrats before Obama beat her in the primaries. Then some Republicans picked it up. Obama did himself no favors by hiding all his background and records. Now, after the Arpaio investigation, it is clear that the long form Obama showed the public and put on the website was a forgery (you should watch them take it apart).

                      He may have been born in Hawaii, but his b/c is fake.

                    • Let’s see your evidence that his birth certificate is fake. You do know what evidence is, don’t you? The whole thing is moot, anyway. Congress and the Supreme Court have agreed he was eligible for the presidency.

                    • Louise Hudson – Google the YouTube video of Apraio’s news conference on the b/c.

                    • Joe Aroaio? Is that the best you’ve got? He’s under indictment for a list of charges as long as your arm and he even admitted to breaking the law.

                      “In March 2015, a month before the scheduled contempt hearing, Arpaio admitted that he violated several court orders, and consented to a finding of civil contempt against him. Because the matter of criminal contempt was still at issue, the initial contempt hearing was held as scheduled.”

                      As for Obama’s birth certificate:

                      “On March 1, 2012, Arpaio and members of his Cold Case Posse held a news conference announcing their contention that President Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate, released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is a computer-generated forgery. Additionally, the Posse’s six-month-long review included an examination of President Obama’s Selective Service card and contended that it, also, is a forgery. Their claims were presented at that press conference, and at a second press conference held on March 31, 2012. The allegations regarding the birth certificate were repeated at a July 17, 2012, news conference, where Arpaio stated that his investigators are certain that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is fraudulent.

                      “Some of the major claims presented by Arpaio at the July 17 news conference were subsequently shown to be false; specifically, the 1961 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual that Arpaio and his team claimed to possess contradicted what they claimed it said, and images shown by them, purportedly from that manual, were instead from computer specifications dated 1968 and 1969.

                      “In response to Arpaio’s claims, Joshua A. Wisch, a special assistant to Hawaii’s attorney general, said in a statement, “President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid. Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed and misconstrue Hawaii law.”Arizona state officials, including Governor Jan Brewer and Secretary of State Ken Bennett, have also dismissed Arpaio’s objections and accepted the validity of Obama’s birth certificate.Brewer also claimed that Obama’s mother’s U.S. citizenship made him a citizen, regardless of where he was born.

                      “During September 2016, Arpaio claimed to be still investigating President Obama’s birth certificate, stating “We are looking at a forged document. Period.” On December 15, 2016, Arpaio held a news conference, along with posse member Mike Zullo, detailing “9 points of forgery” supposedly found on the digital image of Obama’s birth certificate.”

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

                      Read the whole thing to see what kind of racist psychopath you holding up as your champion.

                      Arpaio is an absolute ass. He belongs in the Trump administration because he’s just like them. . He’s a known liar and racist and still has several indictments against him to be adjudicated. If you are ignorant enough to want to support the contention that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery, try to find someone who isn’t a convicted criminal under indictment for additional crimes.

                      No branch of the the US or Hawaiian government has said Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery. Only admitted criminals like the lying racist, Joe Arpaio has said so–witnout a scrap of evidence.

                      I can see why you admire him.

                    • Louise Hudson – your first and last problem is using Wikipedia as a source. The evidence is online, look for yourself. Don’t take someone else’s word for it.

                    • Wikipedia sources.

                      “Exposed: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Birther Scam – Here’s the Proof that Arpaio’s Posse Fabricated Evidence and Lied to the Nation”. July 24, 2012. Retrieved November 17, 2013.

                      ^ “Brewer disagrees with Arpaio findings, believes Obama birth record real”. East Valley Tribune. Tempe, AZ. March 6, 2012.

                      ^ “Arizona Officially Accepts Obama’s Birth Record”. Fox News Latino. May 23, 2012.

                    • Louise Hudson – Jan Brewer is a nice person, but she only went to community college. ALL Latino media hate Apraio. You need better sources.

                    • What better sources? The ones I provided show Arpaio to be an underhanded charlatan and all-around despicable person. What more is needed?

                    • Louise Hudson – you seem incapable of finding a neutral source. I don’t care what it is.

                    • Describe what you consider a neutral source. I know that whatever I suggest you will call a biased source. I’d just like to know what you woukd accept as a neutral source. If you can’t or won’t do it, don’t ask for anything. You are incapable if saying what you mean,

                    • Louise Hudson – look in your heart of hearts and try to think what would Paul think was biased. Then don’t use any of them.

                    • I have. I’ve devided that every source anyone could come up with would be considered by Paul to be biased. There’s no way around it.

                    • Not at all. It isn’t worth my time. I have more important things to do than try to satisfy the demands of an ignoramus.

                    • Louise Hudson – just because you’re losing doesn’t mean you should call me names.

                    • The Constitution requires the president to be a “natural born citizen.”

                      An amendment is required to change the Constitution.

                      “Natural born citizen” was presented by Jay and Washington with the intent of placing a “strong check” against foreign allegiances. The potential for foreign allegiances exists when the father is a foreign citizen.
                      You ignore the rationale, purpose and intent of the Founders.

                      “Natural born citizen” had a meaning to Jay and Washington above that of “citizen.” That meaning comports precisely with the definition in the Law of Nations. What a surprise.

                      The Naturalization Act of 1790 required “citizens,” plural, as parents of “natural born citizens,” supporting, reinforcing and proving the meaning and definition employed by Jay, Washington and the Constitutional Congress.

                      To wit,

                      The Naturalization Act of 1790 –

                      “And the children of citizens of the United States,…shall be considered as natural born citizens:…”

                      “The proof is in the pudding.”

                      Every President before Obongo was a “natural born citizen,” having two parents, plural, who were citizens, comporting with the phrase used in the Jay/Washington letter, the phrase used in the Constitution and the definition of that very phrase in the Law of Nations.

                      What I am is an American with every conceivable natural and god-given freedom including those of opinion, thought, speech, religion, belief and discrimination.

                      And since we’re on the subject of law, the status of freed slaves changed from “property” to “illegal alien” upon the issuance of the Lincoln’s wholly unconstitutional Emancipation Proclamation. The Naturalization Act of 1802 was in full force and effect in 1863 and it required citizens to be “…free white person(s)…” The legal course for illegal aliens is deportation. America needs resolution of its persistent illegal alien problem.

                      What YOU are attempting to be is a dictator not bound by the Constitution.

                    • Not true.

                      “Actually Thom, Jefferson was the first president with one foreign born parent. BOTH of Andrew Jackson’s parents were Irish immigrants:

                      “Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.”

                      https://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/05/presidents-immigrant-parents

                    • “Louis Hudson – you have yet to use a neutral source.”

                      Paul, Louise Hudson doesn’t think that way. She draws conclusions and then looks for anything that appears to support her case. She is not a person to be taken seriously.

                    • “Louis Hudson – you are screwed then, aren’t you?”

                      Paul, that is great. Maybe she will be able to skip a dose of Thorazine.

                    • Take your own advice, guys, it might make you less annoying, though that’s not on its list of effects. Besides that would be a lot to expect from a drug.

                    • Unfortunately it wouldn’t make you more intelligent which is what you need more than anything.

                    • “Unfortunately it wouldn’t make you more intelligent which is what you need more than anything.”

                      No, it won’t make Paul more intelligent, but he doesn’t take Thorazine. That drug isn’t permitting you to think clearly Louise.

                    • Speak for yiurself Allantoid. You’re apparently the expert on drugs for psychosis and it’s obvious why. I don’t take any psychoactive drugs and never have . But you must be taking them, seeing how much of an expert you think you are on Thorazine. It takes an especially ignorant person to accuse someone of taking drugs that you apparently have so much experience with. You know nothing about me, yet you are presumptuous enough to think you know that I am taking a drug you are taking,, but which I have no first hand knowledge of. Assuming you know somerhing you could not possibly know is exactly what everyone should expect from an ignorant Trump supporter. It goes hand in hand. Dumb and dumber.

                    • Louise the parrot speaks again. Yes, I happen to have some expertise on drugs even though I have little use for them personally. My drug of choice is my one cup of coffee per day. Thorazine would be a good choice for you if no one has put you on it yet. It will help rid you of your hallucinations.

                    • This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.

                    • Louise, it appears you have palilalia, happens in some neuro-degerative diseases. You repeat yourself so I will repeat what you said and my earlier response.

                      “This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.”

                      I guess, Louise, that means you wil stop talking to yourself. The Thorazine must be working. It will be good not to hear the squaking from a bird brain.

                    • Louise Hudson – I already qualify for Mensa, why would I want to be more intelligent?

                    • I don’t go to Mensa meetings. I joined when I lived in New Jersey, but never joined in California where I live now. I was not impressed with the meetings I have attended.

                  • To Louise:

                    Actually, no. Had Obama been born in Kenya, or Canada, or Russia IN 1961, according to the laws in effect at that time, he would NOT have been a natural born citizen. Because his mother was too young.

                    Do your research, please, before you blather.

                    Squeeky Fromm
                    Girl Reporter

                    • Continue to spread your ignorance here, Squeeks. It saves intelligent people a lot of headaches. . I’m surprised you haven’t joined the Trump administration. They can always use another gullible and empty-headed right wing dolt. You’d fit in perfectly.

                    • I gave you the link above so that you could educate your stupid self. Let me give it to you again so that you can (1) Admit that you were wrong; (2) Apologize to me.

                      The unique twist in the Obama case, if there is one at all, is the suggestion that Obama may have been born to a U.S. citizen mother while in Kenya. If this were true, the statute today would be no problem for him: he would clearly be a natural born citizen. However, prior to 1964 (Obama being born in 1961), the U.S. citizen mother giving birth abroad also had to live in the United States for at least one year after her 18th birthday and prior to the child’s birth. If Obama had in fact been born in Kenya, his mother would have been just nine months past her 18th birthday, and thus he could not have been a natural born citizen.

                      Again, this requirement was repealed in 1964. However, the holding in Nguyen vs. INS gives us every reason to believe that if it were ever proved that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, the Court would not retroactively apply that repeal to his case. I very much hope I am wrong in that. The statute was changed for a reason: with the increase in female service members in the early 1960s, it became increasingly clear that the statute as then worded had great potential to create enormously perverse situations, in which children born to women putting their lives on the line for their country might be excluded from citizenship by an accident of the calendar. Congress wisely changed the law, but clearly too late for some. And while this answer is not intended as a discussion of the Birther issue per se, the issue rarely addressed is that if Barack Obama were excluded from natural born citizenship, it would only be because his mother got on an airplane at the wrong time.

                      http://rodmartin.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-natural-born-citizen/

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • You apparently know all about Thorazine, Alantoid. You’ve no doubt missed a few doses yourself–and it shows. Better see the shrink ASAP.

                    • “You apparently know all about Thorazine”

                      I know a lot about a lot of things Louise. That is what separates the two of us. You seem calmer so perhaps the Thorazine is working.

                    • “Your remarks prove your ignorance.”

                      This is virtually the only type of response you have left, Louise. You fried your brain smoking too much leftist propaganda.

                    • So your brain must also be fried since you use exactly the same type of response. You fried your own brain smoking too much right-wing propaganda.

                    • “So your brain must also be fried”

                      Louise, have you no imagination of your own? It appears you are related to a left wing parrot always parroting what someone else says lacking understanding of the meaning.

                      There is no discussion to be had with you. I think you claim Mensa. That surely hasn’t been demonstrated on this blog. If true one can only imagine that your intellect died a long time ago when you were reborn as a parrot.

                    • This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.

                  • Is it possible or rational to refute lies and fabrications?

                    Have you ever read the relevant parts of the Constitution?

                    Does affirmative action give you a FREE PASS regarding every aspect of life?

                    Jefferson and Jackson were citizens “…at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,…”

                    Article II, Section 1, Clause 5

                    “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

                    Greg Dehler –

                    “Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.”

    • Enig, Read it and don’t see the problem, but maybe you can define the problem and how serious it is supposed to be.

      Then, why don’t you tell us the specific law that was breached and how it was breached along with a citation so we can review the law together.

      Then explain the proof that the law was breached

      • “There are none so blind.. as he who will not see” – Ray Stevens

        The investigation will line it all up for you. Conspiracy, collusion, possibly even treason but I’m getting ahead of myself. We will see.

        • Enig, no one can accurately predict the future. But what we have seen is that you have drawn conclusions without evidence or even any understading of the law.

        • My God, but your research skills suck!

          There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See:

          • According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb has been traced back to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). In 1738 it was used by Jonathan Swift in his ‘Polite Conversation’ and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 ‘Works of Thomas Chalkley’. The full saying is: ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

          http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/abditorium/nonesoblind.htm

          Ray Stevens is the one who famously said, “There she was, friends, lyin’ there in all her radiant beauty, eating on a raisin, grape, apricot, pomegranate, bowl of chittlin’s, two bananas, three Hershey bars,sipping on a RC co-cola listenin’ to her transistor, watchin’ the Grand Ole Opry on the tube, readin’ a Mad magazine while she sung, “Does your chewing gum lose it’s flavor?”

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • His research skills “suck”? You assume he gives a tinker’s damn about convincing you, or any of your fellow travelers about anything at all, or of even showing you the errors of your ways. I’m not speaking for him, but for sure am for myself: I hope all your types stay just the (delusional) way that you are. You have to hit bottom before you can examine your belief system; it may not be here yet but it may be coming into view before you know it.

            this is to squeek

            • Which, is a yucky, liberal feel good fuzzy song which I hate! Almost as much as I hate “Let There Be Peace on Earth.” Anyway, I tried to teach you something, but like B.B. King first said, “You can lead a horse to water
              but you can’t make him drink!”

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              • Just as you can lead a Republican to the truth but you can’t make him think. It’s been proven time and time again.

                • Then. . . how come it is Liberal Democrats who violently prevent Conservatives from speaking on campuses? And Liberal Democrats who try to amend the 1st Amendment to prevent and criminalize speech they disagree with? Why are Liberal Democrats the ones begging and pleading for safe spaces???

                  Because from everything I have seen, it is Liberals who eschew thinking, and just call names and scurry to the safety of various Echo Chambers. It is Conservatives who try to have conversations and reason with the other side. You guys just call names.

                  Squeeky Fromm
                  Girl Reporter

      • Don Jr has received requests to testify before several committees. Imagine Mueller will call him in, too. Why speculate as this point as to specific charges. For all we know he could perjure himself.

        • He has already perjured himself when he said he never met with anyone from the Russian government. Give him time, he’s just learning the ropes about perjury. He’s not nearly as experienced as his old man when it comes to lying.

              • Louise:
                On NBC News the Russian lawyer says she didn’t work for her government and the Kremlin issued a statement saying they never heard of her. Where’s your news come from? Mika? LOL. Smug is a bad color on you.

                • So if she says she didn’t work for the Russian government it must be true. You’re as gullible as Trump who asked Putin if he tried to influence the election. Putin said no, end of story. There was no collusion. Simple! I wonder why we just don’t ask indicted mass murderers if they did the deed and let them go if they say no. It would certainly save a lot in court costs and public defenders. Why not do that with every susoected criminal? “How do you plead”. “Not Guilty.” “OK, you may go. We’ll drop all charges.” Republican justice.

                • It’s even worse on you. So she says she never worked for the Russsian Government and the Russian government backs her up. So it must be true. We know Russiams would never lie, especially when they’re under the gun. . Listen, I have a nice bridge I can sell you cheap.

                    • You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. I made no claim. I am waiting for the evidence to support your claim.

                    • Nice try. I gave you the press reports from NBC and the Kremlin’s statement. Now it’s your turn to give us more than your unlettered opinion of her connection to the Russian government. Keep digging, Louise. That hole of yours is swallowing you up.

                    • She (and others) aren’t here to make persuasive arguments. Because they can’t. To date, I have not even seen an articulable legal claim about “collusion.”

                      What the MSM is up to, and the DNC shills by extension, is simply a smear game, where they throw up whatever negative poo they can, and if anything sticks, then good. And if nothing sticks, and it won’t, then the benefit will have been a prolonged period of negative Trump headlines.

                      In my opinion, even the dumbest of the Liberal Democrats here doesn’t believe the whole Russia thing. But, like monkeys they come here and pretend to believe it, and put forth whatever idiotic arguments they can gin up. It is just a big game to them. O’Keefe proved that.

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • Collusion is about as illegal as drinking whole milk. The numb nuts around here just take the Press’ narrative and run around with it like a kid with a new toy. “Look, its collusion!”

          • Your constant drawing of conclusions without fact are getting ridiculous.

            perjury def The ***willful*** telling of an untruth after taking an oath.

            After deciding whether or not it was perjury (generally happens in a court of law during a trial) one has to determine the extent of the intended harm. At worst in this case I believe it normally would be considered a minor omission that was corrected by his release of all the emails.

          • Louise Hudson – my understanding is that the attorney is NOT working for the Russian government. Do you have copies of her pay stubs?

            • No, do you have statements from the Kremlin that she did not work for them? I’m sure they would be as pure as the driven snow. We know how trustworthy the Russians are,

        • frankly, I’m not speculating. You guys are. I’ll wait until someone proves he committed a crime. We have the emails and probably most of the story involving him so I would think anyone making a case against him at this juncture should start by telling us the exact crime and document the points that prove a crime was committed according to the law cited.

          I don’t believe anything in the emails constituted a crime and that you guys are way over your heads.

      • Allan, …
        This is out of sequence (no reply box, so I moved it here), and generally related to something else you covered.
        Everybody has their own pet peeves.
        When I see somebody who is a font of misinformation flooding this thread, too friggin lazy to do basic research, posting disjointed non-sensical tripe, I lose patience.
        I won’t mention any names, and you know that I’m not describing you.
        Probably easier to let that person ramble on and on, and take whatever entertainment value there is to be had from the marathon gibberish.

        • tnash, appreciated. I am keenly interested in what people think and how far they will go to prove a point. I have a lot of patience. These are not bad people, just badly informed and that can sometimes lead to ugly results. Look at what happened with Louse’s thinking process when you brought Bush’s numbers into the picture. I find it fascinating though I admit most normal people would find it dull.

    • Sorry, but I was busy communicating by email with a Nigerian Prince, who is also a member of the Nigerian Parliament. He has been looking for an honest American, and if I will only send him my bank account info, he will wire $354 million dollars into my account for safekeeping.

      Wait!!! Is that collusion??? Do I need to file one of them little forms about representing a foreign government??? If there are any lawyers here who can help me, please let me know. My BFF Penelope Dredful says that it is a scam, and I will simply lose all my money, and be forever known as a Super Schmuck.

      If she is right, and Abdullah Ralph Johnson isn’t really a Nigerian Prince, or a member of the Nigerian Parliament, then am I colluding with Nigeria???

      Oh, this international intrigue stuff is just over my poor little head.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

        • Don’t be that way! C’mon, help a girl out! Am I colluding with Nigeria, if Abdullah Ralph Johnson isn’t really a Nigerian Prince???

          Enquiring minds want to know!

          Hey, I just had another insight! If I am NOT guilty of colluding with Nigeria, because Abdullah isn’t a part of the Nigerian government, then maybe, just maybe, Don Jr. isn’t guilty either, if the Russian Chick wasn’t representing Russia! I bet that is why you don’t want to help me! You think I am trying to trick you!

          But I assure you that I would never do anything like that, because my reputation for honesty is well known! Even in Nigeria, apparently.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • Well, since there’s no danger of you ever being elected to public office, Squeek, except maybe to grand wizard of the KKK, collude to your heart’s content. Personally, if I were you, i would send your life’s savings to that Nigerian prince.

            • since there’s no danger of you ever being elected to public office, Squeek, except maybe to grand wizard of the KKK, collude to your heart’s content.

              Interesting, according to you then Trump Jr. is not guilty of collusion as he was not running for public office.

              Thank you for clearing that up.

              Next. Oh, MPP.

          • 3 June 2016
            Rob Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Emin [Agalarov, a Russian pop star represented by Goldstone] just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

            The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras [a Moscow-based developer who tried to partner with Trump in a hotel project] this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary [Clinton] and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

            This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

            What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

            I can also send this info to your father via Rhona [presumably Rhona Graff, Trump’s longtime executive assistant], but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

            6 June 2016
            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info – you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day. Best to you and your family.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            Rob could we speak now?

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Let me track him down in Moscow. What number he could call?

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            My cell.

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            He’s on stage in Moscow but should be off within 20 minutes so I am sure can call.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            Rob thanks for the help.

            7 June 2016

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Hope all is well. Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday. I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you? I assume it would be at your office.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            How about 3 at our offices? Thanks Rob appreciate you helping set it up.

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Perfect … I won’t sit in on the meeting, but will bring them at 3pm and introduce you etc. I will send the names of the two people meeting with you for security when I have them later today.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law [Jared Kushner] and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

            8 June 2016

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            Good morning. Would it be possible to move tomorrow meeting to 4pm as the Russian attorney is in court until 3 I was just informed.

            Trump Jr to Goldstone

            Yes Rob I could do that unless they wanted to do 3 today instead … just let me know and I’ll lock it in either way.

            Goldstone to Trump Jr

            They can’t do today as she hasn’t landed from Moscow. 4pm is great tomorrow.

            Trump Jr then forwards the entire exchange to Manafort and Kushner under the subject heading “FW: Russia – Clinton – private and confidential”

            Trump Jr to Manafort and Kushner

            Meeting got moved to 4 tomorrow at my offices.

            • Enig, I note to make a point you have to copy another’s work product and cannot even summarize it with all the points necessary to show the crime and prove it happened. The reason is there was no crime no matter how many pieces of hot air are written.

                • Don’t just throw out words and phrases. Connect them up. Tell us what the Logan Act says, who it covers, who broke the law, and how. That sort of thing.

                  You have have a bad tendency to just blather something out, and then expect those who read it to figure out what your argument is. C’mon, try to make a cogent argument.

                  Squeeky Fromm
                  Girl Reporter

                • Enig, you finally found a name to suit your dreams. Now demonstrate all the points needed to prove guilt under the Logan act. Enig, you are out of your league.

                    • All country’s have attempted to interfere with other country’s elections. Look at what Obama did with the Israeli election that was well publicized. Your question is as you say “revelatory”. You really need to get up to speed.

                    • enig “So I’ll take that as a qualified yes but you think it’s okay”

                      You have a continuous problem in laying out facts. Yes I believe governents do all sorts of bad things including our own. But, that doesn’t mean I think it is OK.

                      You highlighted Cornell law. You should actually spend some time reading it.

                      I will quote “§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).”

                      Show us how Don Trump Junior met the needed legal standard. You can’t and that seems to be your problem. You draw conclusions without the needed facts.

                    • (g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

                      (b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

                      Trump Jr solicited and agreed to receive something of value from a foreign national. The something of value was the oppo researched promised. Do we really have anything other than the word of the man that lied about it previously that she provided nothing? Soon after the meeting, the info began to flow to Wikileaks. Roger Stone who connected Trump to Manafort seemed to have inside knowledge of upcoming leaks. Maybe it’s unrelated but Trump Jr violated this law. Jared Kushner lied under penalty of perjury about the meeting. Manafort is the one that should have known better even if the others didn’t. Of course he has problems of his own.

                    • Enigma,

                      Well, you are doing better, but you are still coming up with zippo.

                      One, the Russian chick never offered anything. That was Goldstone who said there was something, but it was something that he (Goldstone) didn’t have possession of. Or, there would have been no need for a meeting with the Russian chick..

                      Then, the person who supposedly had possession of the oppo research, didn’t have any oppo research. How could she offer what she did not have?

                      Sooo, you fail on those elements.

                      Further, it is a pretty good stretch to consider oppo research to be a thing of value, as contemplated by the statute.

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • How much do you imagine campaigns please pay for opposition research? Trump At is famous for paying investigators (except his don’t find anything). Quite a stretch to say there’s no value. Also the solicitation is a crime, even if it were never received which we only have Junior’s word is the case.

                    • Where is the actual solicitation??? Do you imagine the Russian girl laid some imaginary papers on the conference table, and offered them to Trump, Jr.???

                      Goldstone did not have any oppo research. Russian chick didn’t have any oppo research. What makes you think Don Jr. asked for the imaginary info??? What could you prove in court???

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • Enigma:

                      Nope. That statement was between Don Jr., and Goldstone. And Goldstone did not have the oppo research. How could Don Jr. solicit anything from a person he clearly knows does not have the desired thing???

                      You and Silverback are engaging in fuzzy thinking.

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • His expectation was to receive incriminating evidence. Why couldn’t she have it. How do we really know she didn’t except for Donnie’s fourth or fifth version of the meeting?

                    • Enigma

                      I think you should run with that “how do we really know” line of analysis. In the law, that is often referred to as “reasonable doubt.”

                      You and Silver need to drink you some coffee!

                      Squeeky Fromm
                      Girl Reporter

                    • The “how do we know” part relates to Trump’s alleged alibi. You and a few others will be shocked, shocked to learn that there were crimes committed when the indictments come down. I on the other hand would be shocked if nothing is found, particularly once they follow Trump’s money which is where I think the worst offenses lie. Soon on Fox they’ll be saying, “So what if Trump owed the Russian mob billions?”

                    • “(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and …”

                      I note that Squeeky has been responding and you haven’t been quite up to game. You are trying to build a bridge one hundred feet long to cross a river, but the only thing you have done is built very weak portions of a bridge up and down the river so the river still can’t be crossed.

                      Most people already know about the well documented dealings Clinton had with the Ukranians doing the same thing you accuse Trump Jr of. In Clinton’s case a deal was made directly with foreign government officials and information was passed so according to you she should be in jail. I don’t agree, but she may have gone a step further like she has so many times. If she did go that step further then I would agree with you that she should be in jail.

                      Now start building the bridge for Trump. He got an email from an aquaintaince who was a third party requesting a meeting for still another party. How does that constitute any violation of the law? We can go one step at a time until you get from one side of the river to the other. The problem is you can’t make it because the chain you create in your mind is just bits and pieces that aren’t linked and even if they were loosely linked don’t represent a crime.

                    • “You guys can claim victory if you like. ”

                      Enigma, it is not a matter of claiming victory. It is more a matter of knowing the facts, the law and having a bit of common sense.

                      You have too much interest in your ideology. Better off relying upon principle and rationality. Then use those tools to help determine right from wrong.

                    • “Trump supporters can’t do that. ”

                      You are right Lousie. Trump supporters are looking for the truth and to do good not to claim victory. We leave that shallow “victory” to the hapless that don’t care about anyone but themselves.

                    • You shouldn’t paint the right wing with such a broad brush,
                      . There might be one or two rogues in it with at least half a brain. Be fair, Allentoid.

                    • ” trying to stop the investigations from the beginning.”

                      Enigma, phony investigations that should never have been started. The Clintons should have been arrested before they ever came to the White House. All one has to do is take note that they stole the White House silverware.

                      You are just angry because you can’t prove squat and have to make things up.

                    • The investigations might not have gotten very far if Trump et al didn’t lie about almost everything and if he hadn’t fired Comey. In my opinion, many of the rabbit holes people are scurrying down will lead to nothing but Trumps finances will turn out to be so intertwined with Russians and mobsters that even the people here can’t justify it.

                    • Louise, your comments don’t even make sense. That is OK your dose of Thorazine will be there in a few minutes.

                    • “The investigations might not have gotten very far if Trump…”

                      Once again you are hoping your dreams can become reality. That is part of the leftist philosophy.

                    • That’s not my dreams, just the history of the investigations. Without Trump (Sr) the Republican Congress would have had only a limited investigation and there would have been no Special Counsel.

                    • “That’s not my dreams”

                      It is your dreams. The left has been trying to stop anything from being done by the President. They are even preventing the President from appointing necessary appointees by trying to create a timeline where the 4 years of Presidency would end before all the employees were approved.They don’t care about the nation, only their ideology.

                      There has been an investigation going on for a long time without anything that points to the President. Even this issue with his sone demonstrates there was no collusion of Trump with the Russians because if there was this whole debacle wouldn’t have made sense.

                      You make a lot of accusations much like I could make against you. It is very difficult to prove a negative. Weren’t you with those hookers you talked about in the past year? You say no, but how do you prove it? That is the game presently being played.

                    • “Can’t take the competition”

                      Louise, I don’t think anyone can compete with the criminality of the Clintons. When I have gone to places where the secret service is present and searching everyone I always wonder why they don’t search the Clintons on their way out.

                    • As I’ve said many times before, if one word of criticism is said about the Trump,fiasco, the next word out of idiot Trump supporters mouths will be Clinton or Obama. You prove my theory. I realize you can’t help yourself. Take your meds ASAP before you become violent.

                    • “As I’ve said many times before, if one word of criticism is said about the Trump,fiasco, the next word out of idiot Trump supporters mouths will be Clinton or Obama.”

                      You are right Louise because the Trumps never did those things you say they did while the Clintons did most of them.You represent the worst of the mindless left.

                    • And you represent the worst of the mindless right. Get off your high horse. You’re not one whit better than the most extreme leftist. In fact, you are much, much worse and you are helping push the US into disaster. Of course you are incapable of seeing it. You are as blind as any Trump supporter. Why do you suppose trump has such an abysmal approval rating the world over? Are you going to blame it on the US “media” !like your idol does? If so, don’t leave out Fox News, Breitbart and the rest of the “conservative” press and news sources that endorsed Trump.

                    • Louise Hudson – if Trump has a bad reputation worldwide, I am not concerned. I only care how I think he is doing as President.

                    • He’s doing a lousy job according to most Americans as well as the rest of the world. If it were just the rest of the world that disapproced of him, it might not be so bad, but his approval rating among Americans is no better. .

                    • “And you represent the worst of the mindless”

                      Louise, another parroted response copying what I wrote to you. After awhile your flattery wears off and then one has to recognize that a parrot is a parrot where the words have no meaning coming from its mouth.

                      Any time you wish to discuss one thought or even two in more than a superficial manner let me know.

                    • This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.

              • (g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

                (b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

                I’ve pulled out the relevant portions.
                11 CFR 110.20 – Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510)

                • Has to be something of monetary value but hey nice try. Information gathering is protected by the First Amendment which is a foreign concept to the Left until they need it.

                    • Enigma, why did you think mespo made ‘monetary value’ up? What do you think was the assigned value of the non-information?

                    • First I read and provided the statute which does not say “monetary.” If it were a diamond I wouldn’t know the assigned value but would be confident it had one. Almost every campaign has a budget for opposition research. It isn’t free. Even if the material proved to be useless (which we only have Donnie’s fourth version of the events to rely on) he solicited material of value hence the crime. I’ve listened to lawyers on both sides discuss it for two days and “monetary” only came up in mespo’s mind.

                    • (b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

                      Please note the part that says “or other thing of value” specifically after money.

                    • We know, Allantoid, that the Trumps would never offer money for information. It would go against their moral standards.

                    • “he solicited material of value hence the crime. ”

                      Don T. didn’t solicit anything. He was sent an email that wasn’t requested and was third person. Thank goodness you aren’t a lawyer. They need a bit more logic than you posess.

                    • Depending on you’re reading of it he was an intermediary between the Russians and his father. He solicited when he agreed to the offer when he said if they had what they said he’d “love it.” Maybe in the conversation he wasn’t the first to bring anything up but try that defense for any john arrested for “solicitation.”

                    • How do you know it wasn’t requested? Because Junior said so? I’m even more grateful that you’re not a lawyer or a government operative, no telling what kind of damage you could do with your gullibility.

                    • “And why would anyone believe Don Jr or Kushner about what was exchanged.”

                      frankly, I guess that means you don’t have proof of anything.

                    • Trump supporters will believe anything designed to take suspicion away from the so-called president or his family.

                    • “Information. The Russian lawyer promised information”

                      Quote where the Russian lawyer “promised information”. By the way , information gathering always exists in politics. Hillary was dealing directly with the Ukranian leadership.

                      You were probably hallucinating again.

                    • I had a metaphor which included pimps and hookers but if you choose to be that obtuse, I’ll simply let you. I wouldn’t hang my hat on that defense that someone else promised to deliver the information other than the person they sent.

                    • The sender of the email (don’t make me look it up) promised help from the Russian Government to aid Donald Trump’s election bid. This was the expectation Trump, Jr, Kushner and Manafort had entering the room because all of them had seen the email promising it.

                    • There are any number of opinions. The law is clear. (b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

                    • The interpretation of that very law by the FEC is that the donation has to be money or something of pecuniary value. It’s not what you claim it is.

                    • So basically money or money. The intent of Congress was surely something different. It won’t be the FEC in this case determining whether or not a crime is committed. It will be the Justice Dept after a recommendation by the FBI or Congress if we’re talking about Daddy.

                    • Er … the FBI listens to the interpretations the agencies give about the statutes they administer. Otherwise, Exhibit A for the defense is their website.

                    • Enigma, with todays FBI it doesn’t seem that the FBI is bound by law or morals or even the needs of the nation.

                    • “I was certain you were talking about the entire Trump administration there”

                      I wasn’t enigma. I was making a comment about the FBI and you wish to make the debate political.

                    • “it doesn’t seem that the Trump administration is bound by law or morals or even the needs of the nation.” By changing out FBI and Trump administration it makes much more sense. I would agree that the FBI including Comey has done some strange things and it’s handling of the Clinton investigation may have had as much impact as Russian tampering. My personal opinion was that Comey was trying to get ahead of eventual leaks from underlings that disagreed with his findings about Clinton.

                    • Let’s imagine that for a second to be true. Does any of the attempts to change the focus to Comey, Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, and anyone else make less important the continuing revelations about the Trump team’s ties to Russia? How many of them have previously undisclosed contacts with Russian officials? There now appears to be the appearance of willingness to collude with the Russian government. The President’s refusal to accept the finding of the intelligence agencies nor say much of anything bad about Russia? The changing of language in the Republican platform (allegedly at the behest of Manafort) in a pro Russian way. The request foe a secret back channel to Russia to apparently elude our own intelligence agencies. The “What about so and so” line of defense used by many here without acknowledging any of these things is alarming to me. Fortunately, there is a trail of money that I suspect would not have been uncovered by Trump’s tax returns that will either demonstrate Trumps dealings with Russia or the lack of their existence. If I were a betting man I’d put it all on Trump’s firms being propped up by Russian cash (which his sons have alluded to publicly in the past in public statements and Trump denies).
                      Not forgetting Comey, he more than anyone had to be aware of the impact his statements on Clinton were having on the election while knowing about the Trump investigation of which the public was unaware. Assume he’s guilty of leaking, then punish him as the law allows but don’t forget about Russia and Trump. Comey is a fired FBI Director. Donald Trump, however incompetent is President. That’s where my focus will remain.

                    • It’s obvious and understandable that Putin would rather have Trump in the White House than Hillary Clinton who had years of experience dealing with charlatans like Putin. Of course he’d back the dupe. He isn’t stupid, just unscrupulous and devious.. He knows whose eyes he could easily pull the wool over. Hillary was onto him and he knew it. He knew Trump would be putty in his hands. He was right. He got his wish.

                    • enigma – considering that The Donald has been under attack since he was nominated, I think he has been an effective President. However, I think both the Democrats and Republicans are in shambles and at this point I do not see the Democrats picking up any Senate seats in 2018.

                    • “Effective President,” please define? In the Justice Department and EPA he’s done a fantastic job of implementing rule changes that affect American’s greatly (although Trump personally wouldn’t be able to explain how). On a legislative level, nothing major at all.

                    • enigma – legislative problems belong to Congress. He can only harass them. He is only required to submit a budget each year. Obama never got one of his budgets passed,

                    • Historically, lawmakers don’t pass presidential budgets introduced to much fanfare — like President Donald Trump’s was Thursday — even if the president is of the same party that controls Congress.

                      “It’s kind of a tradition to declare the new president’s budget ‘dead on arrival,’” said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan budget watchdog group. “Congress is going to do what it is going to do.”

                      http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/presidential-budgets-rarely-get-approved/

                    • Enigma, I am going to assume you or a loved one is a veteran.

                      Trump signed the Department of Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act into law. Considering the fact that for decades we have abused our veterans while promising to help, this is a major acheivement.

                      It’s hard to pass legislation when the Dems won’t even let him fill his appointments.

                    • Which is eactly what the Republicans did to Obama. The Republicans would not even consider his Supreme Court appointee. Republicans have nothing to complain about. They’ve made their bed. What goes around comes around.

                    • “Which is eactly what the Republicans did to Obama.”

                      Louise, you appear lost since you changed the topic from veterans to delays. Maybe this is the blogs fault based upon what was copied in my email. I’ll give you a free pass that you can keep under your wing.

                    • I was respomding to Enigma’s quote:

                      “It’s hard to pass legislation when the Dems won’t even let him fill his appointments.”

                    • ““It’s hard to pass legislation when the Dems won’t even let him fill his appointments.””

                      Louise the Republicans let Obama fill most of his positions without opposition or delay. Right now 7 months into an administration and about 400 appointments waiting.

                    • “Since taking control of the Senate in early 2015, Republicans have confirmed only 17 federal judges, a historically low number. The Senate confirmed just 11 judges in 2015, the fewest since 1960. There have been only two appellate court judges approved since Republicans took control, with seven appeals court nominations left pending. If the Senate doesn’t confirm any appellate judges this year, [2016] it will have confirmed the fewest since the 1897-98 session, when there were just 25 circuit court judges nationwide, compared with 179 now.” Reported in May 2016.

                      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/senate-republicans-barack-obama-judicial-nominees-courts/

                    • Louise, lame duck appointments and the number is tiny compared to the present numbers by a factor of over 20 where many of the appointments aren’t lifetime and are needed for government to function. This is occurring since the start of the new administration.

                      Likely there will be reprisals and that is not good for the nation, something you care little about.

                    • I will no longer respond to insulting diatribes–it is not worth my time. If you can’t state your position without insults, you prove your ignorance.

                    • I should have added that I have loads of time as well.

                      Louise, it appears you have palilalia, happens in some neuro-degerative diseases. You repeat yourself so I will repeat what you said and my earlier response.

                      “This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.”

                      I guess, Louise, that means you wil stop talking to yourself. The Thorazine must be working. It will be good not to hear the squaking from a bird brain.

                    • I will no longer respond to insulting diatribes–it is not worth my time. If you can’t state your position without insults, you prove your ignorance.

                    • I suppose we can credit him for not vetoing a bipartisan bill he had nothing to do with. Dem’s cant stop him from filling anything. Look at all the vacancies in Justice and the State Department where he hasn’t even nominated anybody. Those he did nominate were poorly vetted and several had to withdraw because of things that should have been known before being nominated. Some like Pruitt were pushed through despite known pending items like the release of thousands of emails between him and those he was supposed to regulate where he resisted court orders for years but were scheduled to come out a few days after the vote. Of course if you like filthy air and water and earthquakes where they never were before, he’s your guy?

                      I’ll help you in that you could make a case for the stock market rising faster than it’s already record growth over the last several years because of the expectations of banks they would be unshackled and energy firms unencumbered by protecting the environment. For-Profit prisons get a massive bump, the rich will pay less in taxes and corporations will get additional breaks because after all, they’re people too. By now the expectation that Trump will actually accomplish anything is dwindling. The actual odds that Trump doesn’t finish his first term (not in Vegas where it would be illegal) are rising daily.
                      By the way, the number of Russians in the room with Trump, Jr, Kushner and Manafort is steadily increasing including one who says he only “used to be” in Russian intelligence.
                      Stand by your man if you like but the ship is sinking.

                    • Enigma if you are interested in the truth look up the DNC/ Clinton connection to Ukraine. That is not conjecture. That happened. Look at the lawyer and her connection with Fusion-GPS and who let her in the country about a week before the event. Look at why our spectacular General (forgot name) lost his career. He didn’t do anything different than Hillary with her emails. Look up the Clinton foundation. Then ask some Haitians why they hate the Clintons. That is just a start.

                      We have a double standard, but we only hear one side.

                    • Ah, you’ve proven my point yet again. As soon as there’s a word of criticism of Trump, the next word out of a Republican’s mouth will be Clinton or Obama. If it weren’t so sad it would be funny. It happens nearly EVERY time. You can bet your life on it. Trump supporters are so predictable. I wonder how you can live with yourselves. Well, I don’t really wonder. I know.

                    • “”Ah, you’ve proven my point yet again.”

                      The problem, Louise, is that the media turns a blind eye to illegal activity that has happened and creates a crime on the other side that doesn’t exist. Moreover, it appears the lawyer involved with Trump JR. has connections with the Democrats She has connections to Fusion GPS which was a destructive hoax that was totally false. You really ought to read a bit more and stay away from left or right hit sites. The NYTimes and Washington Post are both spinning the news like crazy.

                    • Oh, yes the big bad media is at it again! Isn’t that just like Trump supporters? “The media” includes Fox News, the Washington Examiner, the a Wall Street Journal, Breitbart and every right-wing extremist news source you could name. You’d think they’d know better than to spin the news like that, being Trump supporters and all. Which news sources are not part of “the media” in your estimation, all of which is apparently always wrong and is always spinning the news?

                    • Louise, you don’t need the mainstream media. You can go to the sources on the net and actually listen to what was said or read what was passed. I have found Fox News, though admittedly leaning right, to be far more accurate than the NYTimes and the Washington Post. When they make an error they immediately correct it something not always noticeable in the other two. Furthermore, those two freuquently subvert the news by not reporting it. It is true that some commentators on Fox News are far to the right such as Hannity, but he is not a news source. He is a commentator so don’t confuse yourself about the difference between news and comment. Hannity to his credit released news in his comments that the mainstream media refused to publish. The Reverend Wright situation is the most well known and he was talking about the Reverend Wright for about a year before the NYTimes made any mention of him.

                      Take note that Fox News is discussing Don T.’s recent problem, but look at the research numbers on the three major channels and one can see how much time if anything they spend when there are shady things going on with Democrats. Very little if any. The news media has been biased for many years. Hillary Clinton has been a disaster, a cheat and a liar. The Clinton Foundation seems to have been drying up now that she doesn’t have power and that tells us that the Foundation likely has been unjustly rewarded due to her position in government. Obama, to his credit was not happy with this foundation because of appearances.

                      You can see what the President does on a daily basis and then check the net for accuracy.

                      https://www.whitehouse.gov

                    • So there’s no law against getting information from a foreign government operative as long as no money changes hands? That’s an interesting take on treason. Anything goes as long as no money changes hands!

                    • Well, Weezy if that’s what you take away from the lengthy discussion about clause one and two treason, I’m not going to disabuse you with any pearls.

                    • ” I’ll simply let you. I wouldn’t hang my hat on that defense that someone else promised to deliver the information other than the person they sent.”

                      My question was to Lousie who made a statement that she couldn’t prove.

                      As far as your claim you can stretch laws only so far. That is what you are doing along with stretching terms. Moreover, if we accept your contention then Hillary is guilty more than one time and she actually involved herself in the transaction that was consumated.

                      You had a metaphor which included pimps and hookers that sounds like a stretch of the imagination, but it may have been to your fancy.

                    • “The sender of the email (don’t make me look it up) promised help.”

                      Go ahead emigma and look it up and copy it. The sender was an aquaintance along with being a third party.

                    • “We do have proof that Trump, Jr has lied about this story already multiple times. ”

                      enigma, There is a difference between proof and conjecture. Let’s assume for the moment that Don T forgot when he filled out the disclosure form. This happens.

                      Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz have been voices of sanity and reason from the left.

                      Provide the multiple proofs.

                    • I’m not inclined to find for you, readily available information. In the four days of the unfolding of the story Trump, Jr offered four different versions before releasing the emails himself, minutes before the NYT that has called for a comment. If you don’t believe any of that, Google is your friend.

                    • “Depending on you’re reading of it he was an intermediary between the Russians and his father.”

                      There was nothing to be an intermediary about.

                    • “I’m only reading the text of the emails, we can agree that you don’t know whether there was anything or not.”

                      We know almost nothing of significance from the texts. Go ahead and copy the text that you discussed elsewhere and show where there is something that is significant, remembering that the email was sent by an aquaintance who didn’t know much of anything.

                      Proof requires evidence not conjecture and not interpretation what another person was thinking,

                    • “I’m not inclined to find for you, readily available information.”

                      You are not inclined to because you can’t find anything of legal significance that proves guilt or intention.That is the problem with your argument. You have a half built bridge, but still can’t get from one side of the river to the other.

                      Because of your negative feelings towards the family you interpret everything in a negative way. That is understandable, but that doesn’t constitute proof. All that tells us is you don’t like Trump.

                    • “If I liked Trump I would still recognize all his lies as such and at least wonder about his strange relationship with Russia.”

                      Enigma, I don’t think so. I think you would not be happy with the situation, but recognize that based upon what we presently know no crime was committed.

                      Go ahead and copy the email and prove your case.

                    • You think, perhaps hope and pray no crime was committed. Already there is some evidence to suggest Trump himself tried to cover up the meeting. There was certainly communication between some of those parties before after and perhaps during the email thread. There is an investigation which will determine whether there is a crime. There’s enough to suggest this is far more than a witch hunt.

                    • Whatever happens to any of the Trump minions they will be safe. If Trump is still president he will simply pardon whoever is convicted–certainly everyone in his family. If Trump Sr. should be convicted of something and have to resign, Pence will pardon him. Nobody in the Trump administration is going to suffer any punishment whatsoever, unless Trump finds a scapegoat. A pardon wipes the slate clean. Junior and Jared could get new security clearances and work for Pence if they wish. Daddy Trump will be able to go back to his fraudulent business pursuits and make money hand over fist. Ain’t life grand for the Trump family? They can’t lose!

                    • Whoever gets convicted will be pardoned by Trump or Pence. If Junior or Jared should be convicted of anything, Trump would pardon them. If so-called President Trump should be convicted, Pence would pardon him. Their records would be wiped clean and Junior and Jared would be able to get new security clearances. What a country!

                    • “You think, perhaps hope and pray no crime was committed.”

                      Enigma, I don’t think a crime was committed and if this were the first accusation I could understand your problem, but this has been going on since before the President took office. None of the allegations against the President have panned out and we know a lot of the stuff was pure vitriol without a bit of truth. Therefore, the truth should be gathered first instead of continuous speculation.

                      The problem with all these investigations is that the government has work to do and needs to focus. The ACA failed and more and more people will be losing coverage. Insurers have left many areas of the country leaving only one or in some cases no insurers. We are supposed to look out for the people and not play these games. We need to manage the economy and taxes along with protecting the nation.

                      All of this garbage with Russia is making it difficult to deal with them to try and bring peace to the middle east. If we don’t get a handle on it soon there could be much bigger trouble. Russia while not being our friend isn’t our enemy. They are the one party we might be able to work with to bring peace to the middle east or at least reduce the hostilities. Using Russia as part of a political game plan isn’t helping.

                    • “You look it up. I’ve read the full text and the promises made within….” I’ve looked at it just like you, but you are the one with the claim so the burden of proof falls in your hand. Go ahead and show us the proof in the emails. If you refuse it means there is none or at least you can’t find it.

                      What proof do you have regarding the discussions? There were no tapes and nothing was discussed. It, as has been said, was a waste of time.

                      Any other proof in existence? Yes DonT. didn’t disclose the meeting. These things can happen by error and do all the time. If he knew about the meeting and didn’t want to disclose it then he was dumb for the meeting had no significance. If we jailed everyone in government that didn’t fill out all the forms correctly Washington would be a much less crowded city.

                      You could accuse me of dealing with the Russians. I’ve been to Russia. I spoke to the son of one of the most important generals, I used to speak a little bit of the Russian language and I like Russian dressing on my deli sandwich. I am waiting for the cuffs to be put on. 🙂

                    • “If Trump is still president he will simply pardon whoever is convicted”

                      Louise, I don’t support pardons unless deserved. But then we have to consider the pardons given by Bill Clinton.

                    • “And Gerald Ford.”

                      Pardonning Nixon probably cost him reelection.I think he wanted to help heal the nation. That, Louise is something that is never on your agenda. You hate America.

                    • Ah, you are so WISE! I can’t get over it.

                      I don’t hate America, I hate Trump.

                      Ig you like atrump, it’s you who hates America because he’s bringing it down and you still support him. Most of the US electorate and the rest of the world hate him too.

                      Ford didn’t know that pardoning Nixon would cost him the election, Anyone in that position would have said he was doing it to “heal the nation.” It’s the standard excuse. I don’t see that it did one thing to “heal the nation.” The nation didn’t need healing once Nixon was outbof the White House. Millions of people were harmed by Nixon and outraged by Ford’s pardon. The same thing will happen if Pence pardons Trump. He’ll claim it’s to “heal the nation,” too, even though it would only damage it further. He knows it might cost him an election, but I’m sure Trump would pay him off handsomely. He’ll be all right. Ex-presidents get retirement packages other people can only dream about. Most people don’t earn in a year when presidents get for retirement. Both Pence and his wife will also get Cadillac health care for the rest of their lives for free, while a large percentage of the population gets next to nothing and will have to pay through the nose for what they do get–people who have worked hard all of their lives. Of course, if he’s pardoned, Trump will also get a nice pension and the highest quality healthcare for him and his wife for life and and for his minor son until he graduates college. Of course all that will help the country “heal,” won’t it? That millions will not heal from their own health problems is of no consequence. It’s the “the nation” that will need to “heal”–to hell with the common people. What a country!

                    • Louise says: “Ah, you are so WISE! I can’t get over it.”

                      You are so right. Apparently the Thorazine is working.

                      “I don’t hate America, I hate Trump. ”

                      You hate anyone that disagrees with your ideology which makes you a totalitarian type. America is made of many different people and ideas. You hate America. Trump didn’t even get into office when the hate started. He is a bit of a boor, but already the economy has shown improvement, unemployment is down, respect for our police is improving, etc. He has a long list of things he has done that are good for the nation.

                      “Ford didn’t know that pardoning Nixon would cost him the election”

                      Ford recognized that when he did it. Ford was a decent man.

                      “He’ll be all right. Ex-presidents get retirement packages… Trump will also get a nice pension and the highest quality healthcare for him and his wife for life and and for his minor son until he graduates college.”

                      Trump doesn’t need a retirement package or anything else. I can’t believe you don’t recognize that. Your words betray a complete lack of knowledge.

                    • “Of course he doesn’t “need” it but I bet he won’t refuse it.”

                      He already gave up his Presidential salary and lost a ton of money by just becoming President.

                      He rebuilt the skating rink in Central Park after the city spent years and failed. He finished the project early and below budget. He did that for free. Then he ran the rink for about a year where all the money went to the city or charity and to pay back the loan he gave for the construction.

                      You really should learn his true history and what he has accomplished. He isn’t a dummy and he hired women for high positions. I’ll bet if you compared the pay of Interns between him and Hillary you would find his being better paid.

                    • “Trump supporters will believe anything designed to take suspicion away from the so-called president or his family.”

                      Louise, that may or may not be true, but we already know how you make decisions. You don’t need facts or proof. You make your decisions based upon what is convenient for you. Selfish and uncaring.

                      If you provide reasonable proof I won’t fight it just like I believed Obama was a US citizen.

                    • “How do you know it wasn’t requested? ”

                      Louise, we don’t know anything except what is in front of our eyes. That too is what differentiates us. You are willing to take accusations and convert them into proof even though the proof doesn’t exist. That is what Turley is saying, but you don’t believe his conclusions based upon the law either.

                  • People pay a lot for kompromats in order to blackmail. To say such a document can have no monetary value is false.

                    • Information. The Russian lawyer promised information that would help Trump get the goods on Hillary, Junior took the bait because it was what he wanted. Whether she was actually working for the government or not, Junior thought so, then lied about neeting her. Oh, wait, he “forgot.” That’s right!

                    • Louise Hudson – when you are doing a tremendous amount of multi-tasking, you can easily ‘forget’ you did something. I did, and had to be shown my signature before I realized I signed off on something I shouldn’t have. It wasn’t the end of the world but I realized I had skimmed the document, not read it closely, because I had several different projects in the works, all time sensitive.

                    • If you believe Junior “forgot” he had met with a Russian to discuss Hillary Clinton’s emails. I have a bridge to sell you. This was a tremendously big event. Nobody with at least half a funtioning brain is going to “forget” such a meeting when he was asked apecidically of he had met with any Russians, no matter how much he’s multi-tasking, His lack of memory is very convenient.

                      If he can’t remember something as important as a meeting with a Russian purportedly bringing information about his father’s opponent then he’s in over his head. He should never be allowed to fill such a position again. He is obviously not qualified to do the job if he can “forget” something that important, especially when he signed a statement that he understood that withholding information could bring charges of perjury against him. But he’s Trump’s son, a chip off the old block, so, no doubt, he thought he could wriggle out of it by claiming he “forgot.”

                    • Louise Hudson – when something is a nothing burger you forget it and move on. Clearly you have never been in a high stress job.

                    • Nor have you. And you certainly have never been in a job where omitting important infirmation could result in a charge of treason. That sort if thing usually improves one’s memory very quickly, except for those who think Daddy will bail them out of every misstep and lie because he always has.

                    • Louise Hudson – I have been in a high stress job where making a mistake could cost me my life. You tend to not sweat the small stuff. There will be NO treason charges for Donald, jr. unless Hillary is executed for treason first.

                    • We’ll see. As far as I know she isn’t under investigation. You apparently didn’t sweat the small stuff or the big stuff, eithet. I can only assume you got damned lucky. It certainly wasn’t your intelligence that saved you. If you had to depend onnthat you’d be long gone.

                    • Louise Hudson – I was the Instructional Specialist at my school. It was my job to make sure that all the teachers followed their lesson plans and that lesson plans were turned in every week. Besides teaching 12 different preps a year. After that I went to work for Pearson Education helping write textbooks and fact-checking textbooks.
                      I also worked on the latest set of Macmillan literature books. I did several of the units, but did all of the ESL and Advanced Sections for the set.

                      I will be happy to match my IQ against yours any day.

                    • Anyone who claims to have a high IQ most likely has an abysmally low one. No one of any intelligence would deliver a challenge like that. You prove your ignorance.

                      It’s interesting though that you think being an instructional,specialist, a teacher, a writer of textbooks, etc. means putting your life on the line. Who knew those jobs were so dangerous? I guess we can learn something new every day.

                    • Louise Hudson – I taught at-risk students, students who had fallen through the cracks of other schools or were expelled from other schools. Think ‘Blackboard Jungle’ with more diversity.

                    • “Louise Hudson – I taught at-risk students, students who had fallen through the cracks of other schools or were expelled from other schools. Think ‘Blackboard Jungle’ with more diversity.”

                      Paul, that has one requirement that is impossible for Louise, “think”

                    • I have seen it and I worked in NYC as ajournalist, taking subways all over the city for many years, so I guess one could say I also put my life on the line every day.

                    • I took most of them. I don’t think my assignment would have meant anything to anyone who wanted to do me harm. Most violent people don’t ask what assignment a person is working on before assaulting him or her. Apparently you’ve never lived or worked in a big city with a crime problem.

                    • Louise Hudson – I taught in the inner city of Phoenix with all of its gangs trying to invade our school and recruit students. I took a pistol away from a student one day.

                    • Louise Hudson writes: “I have seen it and I worked in NYC as ajournalist”

                      Now we know why the Newsmedia is so f-ck-d up.

                    • Only the right wing news media. I never worrked for a right wing news source, I’m proud to say. I would never have taken a job with a right wing news source. I would have gagged at the hypocrisy. I could never live with myself and neither could any if the journalists I worked with. One day we found ourselves in a press room with a Washington Examiner reporter. Someone asked him how he could live wuth himself working for a right wing rag. He said, “I need the job”. At least he was honest. I hope for his sake he eventually found a job with an honorable and respectable newspaper.

                    • That is where we differ, louise the parrot. I live with both the left and the right and recongize that the newsmedia of today is driven by advertising money. If you bothered to listen to impartial sources you might have such an admission from those higher-ups at CNN who on camera admitted what they were doing.

                      You on the other hand have no recognition of truth. Your type f-ck-d up journalism just by being brain dead.

                    • This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.

                    • Weak–and it shows your stupidity, not that you needed to show any more of it. You’ve done that in spades already.

                    • Exactly right. They’ve proven themselves to be liars and evaders of the truth. Why should anyone believe what they say? Only Trump supporters would believe them because they say what Trump supporters want to hear. Republican baloney

                    • ” Only Trump supporters would believe them ”

                      Therefore Louse you have to find some other proof. Hallucinations don’t count as proof. Maybe they should up your dose of Thorazine.

      • Squeeky,
        A friend got one of those emails, filled it out, and returned it.
        He used the name “Tony Soprano”, amd put in phony SS and acount numbers.
        An email came back, saying “Mr. Soprano, we are having some difficulty verifying your information”.

        • That’s hilarious! I remember reading about some guy in England(?) who got the scammers to pay the freight bill for shipping a bunch of old, obsolete, and broken computer equipment from his office to Nigeria. It was extremely funny. I wish I could find it.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • Squeeky,
            I don’t know if you got an answer about the Logan Act somebody brought up.
            It’s been on the books since 1799.
            It was passed prevent private citizens from interfering in diplomatic negotiations.
            Terribly overused…😉…2 or 3 prosecutions over the centuries, no convictions that I know of.
            Maybe once every century or so we should dust it off and take for a ride again in court.

      • Squeeky, your comment was the best response to all of this cr-p we are hearing from the desperate leftists trying to unseat the President and failing miserably.

        “Sorry, but I was busy communicating by email with a Nigerian Prince, who is also a member of the Nigerian Parliament.”..

        Yes, that is essentially what we are hearing.

        LOL

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