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New York Times: Trump Jr. Told In Advance That Anti-Clinton Information Was Coming From Russian Government To Help His Dad

220px-Nytimes_hqThe New York Times is reporting that “Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy.”  That would be a significant development in supporting allegations of “collusion.”  I am still skeptical of the alleged crime of collusion and even more skeptical of the alleged crime related to this meeting.  I am also confused by the NYT story which says that the email from publicist Rob Goldstone acknowledged that the information was coming from the Kremlin but the article quotes Goldstone in saying that he had no knowledge of any such connection to the Russian government.

The newspaper says that three people said that the memo from Goldstone was described to it by three people and indicated that the source of the information was the Russian government and that it wanted to pass along damaging information against Hillary Clinton.

I have previously questioned the basis for claiming that Trump Jr. committed a crime in holding this meeting in the hopes of finding dirt on Clinton.  Some have argued that receiving intelligence from the Russian would be akin to an illegal campaign contribution.

However, the article raises more questions than answers. If the Kremlin was behind this information, why didn’t this mysterious Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually pass along such information? Instead, she is described by various people as stating some generalities about possible Russian support for Clinton without any support or documentation. If the Russians were making such a play to influence the election in favor of Clinton, this is a curious way to going about it.  First, they arrange a bizarrely high-profile meeting (when real spies tend to find third parties to get or transmit information).  Second, they secure the meeting but do not bring even a detailed account, let alone documents, to support the allegation.  Finally, if Trump had acted on that information, it would have been a disaster since it would have been baseless and unsupported.  To this day, there has been no evidence of Russian financial support to the Clinton campaign or Democratic National Committee.

It is also weird that Goldstone admitted that he spoke with the Trump team before speaking with the New York Times.  He then categorically denied the allegation and said that he was merely passing along a request from the father of his client  pop star Emin Agalarov.  Mr. Agalarov was an associated of Trump Sr. in the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow in 2013.  He said that he was told that Veselnitskaya had information of possible illegal campaign contributions from Russia for Clinton.  He told the NYT that he “never, never, ever “thought (or presumably said) that the information was coming from the Russian government.”  That leaves us in a rather weird position.  It is hard to believe that this man (or the Trump team) is so stupid as to go over the memo and then tell the media something diametrically opposite of what the memo actually says.  Obviously the memo is going to be reviewed and eventually released.

So where does that leave us?  In a word, confused.  The NYT article itself seems conflicted on what the memo actually said.  If the memo did state that the Russian government wanted to pass damaging information on Clinton, why didn’t it?  If such information was going to be fed to the Trump campaign, it would still leave us with the legal question of whether information can now be treated as a thing of value under federal campaign laws.  However, it would be good to understand what is being specifically represented as to the pre-meeting communications from Goldstone.

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  1. Trump Jr. Dared To Talk To a Russian Woman

    The New York Times’ latest nothing-burger.

    July 11, 2017

    Matthew Vadum

    From the fever swamps of the Left, the unsubstantiated, over-the-top Russian electoral collusion conspiracy theory now includes President Trump’s son who now stands accused of a 20-minute meeting with a Russian lawyer who allegedly has Kremlin ties.

    This is merely the latest part of the Left’s rolling coup attempt against President Trump.

    According to the New York Times, Natalia Veselnitskaya met with Donald Trump Jr. at the Trump Tower in Manhattan in June last year after his father had secured enough delegates to win the GOP presidential nomination. She got the meeting by claiming she had dirt on Democrat presidential contender Hillary Clinton.

    The newspaper breathlessly added in a separate report that young Trump was sent an email by acquaintance Rob Goldstone cautioning that “the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information.” The paper acknowledged the email “does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.”

    Nor is it clear if Trump Jr. read the email. Of course, the sources to the New York Times are not named. The newspaper adds:

    There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.

    The meeting was set up by Rob Goldstone, a music publicist, the Washington Post reports. Goldstone is involved with the Miss Universe pageant and manages Russian pop star Emin Agalarov.

    “President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.”

    Then-campaign manager Paul Manafort and presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner, reportedly had a meeting with Veselnitskaya who has ties somehow to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    That’s it. A so-called scoop in journalistic parlance.

    The Trump campaign apparently did nothing but listen to the woman.

    Donald Trump Jr. now says the woman’s offer of opposition research on Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton and other Democrats was a ruse.

    “After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton,” Trump Jr. told the Times. “Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

    As Michael Walsh observes at the New York Post:

    The real reason, it seems, was that Veselnitskaya wanted to lobby for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act, an Obama-era law that allows the US to deny visas to Russians thought guilty of human rights violations. In retaliation, the Russians promptly ended the adoption of Russian orphans by Americans.

    Of course there is nothing illegal or even unethical about seeking out dirt on a political opponent, and the Trump campaign would have been foolish not to at least let Veselnitskaya explain herself in person. This is how opposition research is done in the great American experiment in self-governance.

    But the New York Times is hell-bent on using wildly exaggerated claims and lies about President Trump’s connections to Russia to take down the president.

    Walsh adds:

    Having established the smear of “collusion,” the Times must now link every story with the word “Russia” to it in the hopes that the rubes and suckers won’t stop believing that Trump somehow cheated his way into the White House.

    This thing called “collusion,” by the way, isn’t a crime. Merely talking to someone who may be an agent for a foreign government isn’t illegal, at least not yet, because America’s First Amendment protects free speech, and most emphatically, political speech.

    We shouldn’t “criminalize” normal political discourse or prosecute people because they forget minor details on disclosure forms, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said yesterday.

    Left-wing law professor Jonathan Turley trashed Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer under former President George W. Bush, for asserting that the Trump Jr.-Veselnitskaya meeting “borders on treason.”

    “There is not a clear criminal act in such a meeting based on the information that we have,” Turley writes. “Moreover, it is not necessarily unprecedented.”

    There is no crime in listening to people who say that they have incriminating information on a political opponent, even a foreigner. Article III defines treason as “levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” To say that this type of meeting even borders on treason is quite a departure from the language and cases governing that crime.

    Moreover, it is hardly shocking to see a willingness to gather dirt during that election. Hillary Clinton was repeatedly criticized for her close association with figures like David Brock who was denounced even by John Podesta as sleazy and disreputable. There was also Sidney Blumenthal who was regularly denounced for spreading rumors and dirt against anyone threatening Clinton.

    Besides, no one “colluded” more with Russia more than President Obama.

    Obama worked “behind the scenes for months to forge a new working relationship with Russia, despite the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown little interest in repairing relations with Washington or halting his aggression in neighboring Ukraine,” Bloomberg News reported in 2014.

    Obama advanced Russia’s interests in so many ways.

    In 2009 Obama killed President Bush’s missile defense program for the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland. Then he renegotiated the New START nuclear arms agreement, which curbed the U.S. missile defense arsenal while letting the Russians add to theirs. In March 2012 Obama was caught on an open microphone telling then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev to wait until after the upcoming election when he would be able to make even more concessions on missile defense. As Russia engaged in what one expert called the largest military buildup since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Obama flipped off Mitt Romney during a presidential debate. After Romney on the campaign trail referred to Russia as “without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe,” Obama mocked him, saying “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.” And Obama did virtually nothing but talk when Putin invaded Ukraine.

    Obama was the most pro-Russian U.S. president of all time, which makes the Left’s conspiracy theory about President Trump’s collusion with Russia seem especially far-fetched.

    And so the Trump Derangement Syndrome festers on as the Left continues to find itself unable to accept the results of the November election.

    More ridiculous, desperate accusations against Trump officials are bound to come our way.

  2. On an unrelated but equally outrageous note, Trump wants to outsource the war in Afghanistan to Erik Prince and his slay-for-pay mercs at Blackwater. The same Erik Prince who worked to set up a backdoor channel between the Trump campaign and the Russians. And the same Erik Prince who is the baby brother of Betsy Devos, Trump’s Secretary of Education. The Prince of Darkness would stand to make billions from a government contract to fight the war In Afghanistan. What’s next. Outsourcing our police to private contractors? Maybe a new secret police force?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/world/asia/trump-afghanistan-policy-erik-prince-stephen-feinberg.html

    1. I think we can all feel better knowing that WE live in a democracy. It just feels like an oligarchy because the public’s desire for progressive programs and no interference in the affairs of other countries is in conflict with the wishes of the oligarchs whose agenda somehow always prevails over the desires of most of us.

      1. What’s scary is that Blackwater gives Trump a private army that’s personally loyal to him. I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that but I fear it might.

        1. International Business Times article title, “DeVos Invested in Military Tech Contractor Run by Son-in-Law, while Brother Shaped Afghan War Policy”.
          Agree- a private army is scary.

    2. A few months ago, Young Turks speculated on the possible content of a specific meeting. The DeVos appointment linked to a deal with her brother like you describe, was the topic of the Turk discussion.

  3. What and whom will America investigate next?

    Most nations interfere, to a greater or lesser degree, in elections in most other nations.

    America has a long history of interfering in foreign elections.

    The eminently ineligible, ensconced Indonesian imposter, Obongo, who was himself

    the very personification of “interference” in an election, interfered most recently

    in the Israeli election.

    Is this journalism or propaganda?

  4. Darn it, I wish I had thought of this approach!

    Watching liberals in the media stalk Donald Trump is like watching “Ghost Hunters”, “Expedition Unknown” or “The Hunt for Sasquatch.” With each episode they come oh so close to success, but it always remains just out of their fingers. Collusion escaped and Obstruction has disappeared. The newest bombshell was dropped in yesterday’s NY Times and was offered with a large dollop of gravitas:

    The news was delivered by the New York Times in the breathless tones that might announce a cure for cancer or the discovery of life on Mars:

    “President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.”

    To which a rational response is … who wouldn’t? And also: So what? A third response is unprintable.

    http://www.floppingaces.net/2017/07/10/trump-hunters-episode-45-this-time-we-got-him/

    The rest is at the link. A very good analysis.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  6. Prof. Turley wrote: “I am also confused by the NYT story which says that the email from publicist Rob Goldstone acknowledged that the information was coming from the Kremlin but the article quotes Goldstone in saying that he had no knowledge of any such connection to the Russian government.”

    Isn’t the simplest explanation that Goldstone said that he “had no knowledge” first when he didn’t know that the e-mails would be released, and was then caught in that self-serving lie when they were made public?

  8. “New York Times: Trump Jr. Told In Advance That Anti-Clinton Information Was Coming From Russian Government To Help His Dad”

    And your point is…?

    – Americans cannot meet with Russians?

    Oops. Hillary already did that and she effusively presented the Russians with a re-set button then

    gave away American uranium for contributions to the Clinton Foundation.

    – Americans cannot conduct “opposition research” in a political campaign?

    What was McCain, (d) Arizona, doing dispatching operatives to chase down

    the Russia-Trump blackmail “dossier?”

    Looks like somebody just got served yet another “nothing burger.”

    That’s what happens when psychosis and corruption take over the “free press”

    and turn it into an out-of-control propaganda machine spewing out “fake news.”

    Oh, and those American astronauts on the International Space Station,

    they need to be charged with treason for literally colluding with Russians, even as we speak.

  9. I think in this modern age any news organization alleging any crime against anyone allegedly based on a document, should be required to publish the underlying document in its entirety! I’m sure the NYT editors would be shocked to discover that most Americans can read and don’t need “journalists” to help them.

  12. Is Trump a Siberian candidate? Is the whole US government just some sort of Russian op.? The people pushing this narrative and those believing it are suffering from a mental disorder. Keep this up and we’ll have Trump for the full eight years. Maybe that’s what we need.

  13. Jr. Himself has added to the apparent confusion (or what here are calling a non-story) with the release of what he says are the emails–because as I am seeing reporting that Jr. tweeted it out based on the fact that the NY Times asked Jr. for his comments–and Jr. Decided to release it. As it is bound to be further intriguing–Should Trump Jr. have used better judgement? What about putting country above country? This goes to the broader question of the sheer incompetence by the Trump Administration, how they engage in the blame game, spin their way out of their troubles and although some may well dismiss this as “non news”, “fake news”, the fact remains that the World is laughing at the United States, Russians meddled –AND this captures it all folks:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/how-chris-uhlmanns-g20-takedown-of-donald-trump-went-viral/8695144

  14. The emails have been released. Donald Dump and his whole f-ing family are going down. You right-wing fascists here on this site better start thinking about how history’s going to be judging you.

    2. LOL. I will watch for your comments when Mueller says there is no collusion or crIme. I am not and have never been a Trump supporter but even I can see the ridiculousness of thinking he or his family will be charged for anything. Flynn and Manafort may but that’s a whole different story unnrelated to Trump. Where’s the crime? Reading an email or talking to a Russian……not. Hillary’s campaign and the DNC were taking information from Ukraine on Trump and that story was barely a blip on the radar. Seems like that should be under investigation too.

      1. I love how people preface their comments with “oh, I’m not a Trump supporter” as a claim to impartiality when everything else they say props the man up. It’s a cheap ploy that isn’t fooling anyone.

        1. There is another angle you are willfully ignoring. People, like myself, that support policies and not the politicians themselves. I know, I know, that’s not possible, right? The reality is there exists a growing contingent among our electorate that prioritizes government by the rule of law and separation of powers. It’s a plug-and-play system that they are figuring out no progressive need apply.

          Please do go on though.

          Popcorn.

          1. Sure, sure, which is why you Trumpites rally behind a man who fires the FBI Director and attacks our judiciary when things don’t go his way. No, for people like you, “rule of law” is a code word for “we need to do something about those dirty immigrants and lazy minorities.”

        2. L.Silver, but for a lot of people Trump was not their candidate. Many Bernie supporters ended up supporting Trump and many people that didn’t initially like or know Trump now support him. How could any intelligent person vote for a proven liar and a crook like Hillary?

          Too many leftists can’t be introspective and that is why they lost. I couldn’t believe Trump could win the election.

          Every day and everytime the left makes things up to destroy Trump makes me realize that Trump is better than I could ever believe. The left has nothing to offer except lies. They don’t care about the nation and its citizens.That is why Trump won.

          So far despite fighting the crazy left, Democrats and many Republicans Trump has been doing a good job. The economy is improving and jobs increasing. It is a great change from the past 8 years.

          1. Let’s talk about lies, Allan-

            “The economy is improving and jobs increasing. It is a great change from the past 8 years.”- LIE.
            The economy has been steadily improving and the the unemployment dropping since Obama took office.

            “Many people that didn’t initially like or know Trump now support him.”- LIE
            Trump”s numbers haven’t increased beyond his core percentage of supporters.

            “The left has nothing to offer except lies. They don’t care about the nation and its citizens.That is why Trump won.”- LIE
            Trump won because he appealed to the basest, racist biases of white voters, that immigrants are the cause of America’s problems and have to be dealt with.

            A proven liar and crook would be Trump, a man who just settled a lawsuit out of court for defrauding students of his so-called Trump University.

            1. Silver, Employment figures should have been a lot better under Obama, but they weren’t. They all to slowly increased and a lot of people lost interest in finding a job which caused the U3 to spuriously fall while the number of unemployed remained high. Since Trump won the unemployment rate in both categories started to fall faster than it was under Obama.

              You throw out the word lie very easily. That is a sign of lack of intelligence. Forget the polls because they don’t reflect people’s actual feelings. If they did then Trump would not be President. Many Bernie supporters supported Trump.

              You demonstrate any understanding of the things you talk about. Maybe you should read a book.

              1. Ha! So, now you’re nitpicking, resentfully admitting that you were wrong, that the economy did improve and jobs did increase under Obama but that things should have been better. How disingenuous. And your rebuttal to my statement about Trump’s popularity is to basically say that there’s no empirical evidence to prove your point, that numbers can’t be trusted and we should all just trust you. Also, you totally ignored the little bit of info about Trump settling his lawsuit because you know that you have nothing to refute it. i don’t beat around the bush when it comes to people who lie. If you’re a lying POS, I’m going to call you out on it.

                1. Siver, this is not nitpicking. It is looking at real economic numbers. From October 2015 to October 2016 the U6 decreased by 0.3 while in less than half the time the U6 under Trump decreased by an entire point. That is a big difference especially when we are nearing full employment. I can’t help it if you don’t know what you are talking about. The numbers exist and you can find them on government web sites.

                  As far as polls go they are dependent upon the questions and at present we have a President that was supposed to have been a big loser. That tells you a bit about the polls and how people are thinking about this President. There have been some numbers on Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for Trump. I don’t put a lot of weight to any of these numbers but I do listen to those Sander supporters reasons for voting for Trump.

                  I won’t call you a lying POS because to do so would mean that you have more intelligence than you have shown.

                  Go read a book or take a course in economics.

                  1. There hasn’t been enough tume for anything Trump has done to increase employment. Anynincrease in employment is the resukt of Obama policies. You seem to forgetbthat Trump has been in office a mere six months. What could he have possibly done in that time to increase employment? All he’s done so far ia make empty promises about deregulation. The econmy has had no time to respond to Trump policies or promises.

                    1. Louise, that is bull. Look at the sudden change in the speed of the numbers. Obviously you are not a sophisticated business person or investor or you would recognize that businesses react to changes. Trump meant less regulation and that started on day one, but businesses don’t wait to be beaten out by their competitors. Trump’s manage style is completely different than Obama’s which caused a lot of our unemployment problems.

                    2. Obviously you’re an expert on BS. You’ve apparently spent your life squeezing it through your fingers. You can tell the difference between Republican BS and Democrat BS with one whiff. You’re a champ.

                    3. Allan, let’s compare U6 rates of decline,Jan to June-
                      2014 (0.6)
                      2015 (0.8)
                      2016 (0.3)
                      2017 (0.8)

                      So, Obama does all the heavy lifting and Trump takes the credit for doing nothing?

                    4. Trump takes the credit for everything positive and puts the blame on the Obama administration for everything negative. Such a convenient system! Say something negative about Trump to a Republican and the next word out of his mouth will be “Obama”. Check it out.

                    5. Silver, look again a 1.0 drop under Trump over 5 months. A .3 drop under Obama in his last year. I know these graphs are hard for you and the concepts a bit difficult. Take note that once the employment rate falls to a certain level it is quite hard to continuously reduce it. (I don’t want to confuse you by discussing what actually can happen …inflation)

                      Trump in 5 months beat the last 4 years of Obama. In January the U 6 was 9.4. In May it was 8.4. That is a 1 point fall.

                      Along with the other books try reading one on simple addition and subtraction.

                    6. Allan- First half of the year 2014. 2015. 2016 and 2017. It’s dishonest to compare 4 years of Obama or even 1 year to Trump because Trump’s been in office only six months. Who knows where the U6 will be after a full year under Trump.

                    7. Silver, My statement was “”The economy is improving and jobs increasing” That is what the numbers show.

                      You said ” It’s dishonest to compare 4 years of Obama or even 1 year to Trump because Trump’s been in office only six months. Who knows where the U6 will be after a full year under Trump.”

                      It’s not dishonest, though you like to label things in a dishonest way. I proved my point. I can’t say what will happen in the future, but if we get a good tax bill and a healthcare bill that doesn’t inhibit economic growth I believe this success will continue. Obama’s policies inhibited economic growth and created a good portion of the 20Trillion dollar debt that will eventually cause tremendous damage to our economy if not adequately managed.

                      Try and deal with what is said rather than what you wish is being said. IT’s difficult to deal with complex issues so you have to take them one part at a time without jumping ahead of yourself or what is reasonable..

                    8. Louise, Trump takes credit and blame as did Obama. The only problem with what you believe is that you refuse to look at impartial economic data and analyze it in an imapartial way. You are an ideologue and if you held power you would be a dangerous one. I don’t care as much about parties rather I care about the Constitution, the law, right and wrong, our people and things of that nature. Your attitude scares me.

                    10. Allan- Your FULL statement was “The economy is improving and jobs increasing. IT IS A GREAT CHANGE FROM THE PAST 8 YEARS.” At least have the honesty to give Obama credit for saving the economy from the brink of collapse and getting it moving in the right direction again.

                    11. Silver, “IT IS A GREAT CHANGE FROM THE PAST 8 YEARS.” That is right. The recovery was slow and poorly mamaged, money was wasted…think Solyndra, all sorts of crazy things were done. Instead of directing all attention to the economy he diverted it to healthcare passing a bill that would inhibit employment (I won’t mention all the other problems that are obvious today).

                      Obama will in a number of years take his place at the bottom of the list rating how good a President was. I know you will disagree and that is your right, but 20 Trillion in debt is a lot of money for Obama to forget about over his 8 years.

                    12. How much debt did he inherit from Bush II how much of a failing economy after the 2008 crash?

                    13. “How much debt did he inherit from Bush II how much of a failing economy after the 2008 crash?”

                      Louise, you are such a mindless partisan. Bush wasn’t very good in the debt department either, but Obama doubled down. I did like Bush’s personality better than Obama’s, but who cares. Obama was a disaster.

                    14. It takes a mindless partisan to accuse someone of being a mindless partisan. You’re doing very well.

                    15. “It takes a mindless partisan to accuse someone of being a mindless partisan. You’re doing very well.”

                      Lousie again I am flattered that you use what I said, but you really need to start thinking for yourself if thinking is something you are able to do. Just try it. It comes in handy.

                    16. Take your own advice. You have yet to show on this blog that an independent thought ever crossed your mind. You repeat everything you hear on Fox News.

                    18. “Take your own advice. You have yet to show on this blog that an independent thought ever crossed your mind. ”

                      Louise, we both know that isn’t true, but apparently that is the best you can do once the left wing script runs out. I pity you for your world is so small and your hate so obvious. There is a vast world outside of MSNBC, Fox and the mainstream media, Louise. Open your mind and let some of the world enter.

                    19. Ok, you’re on. What represents this vast world you think I’m missing? Just a couple,of examples, Allantoid.

                    20. “Ok, you’re on. What represents this vast world you think I’m missing? Just a couple,of examples, ”

                      I am sure you have a few things rattling around in your head and I am sure a few of the Betz cells are working, but you have been left with tunnel vision and that type of vision excludes a lot.

                    21. Apparentky you’re an expert in tunnel vision. You should be since you’ve obviously been a victim of it all of your adult life.

                    22. “Apparentky you’re an expert in tunnel vision. You should be since you’ve obviously been a victim of it all of your adult life.”

                      No louise I am just skilled at recognizing tunnel vision which in your case doesn’t require much skill.

                      Regarding your discussion with Oily and Don T’s memory: People forget important things all the time. I’ll make it simple and real for you. Your health is of utmost importance, but when you see your doctor for the first time and fill out the forms sometimes you probably make a mistake and leave out some details by accident. Maybe you forgot an aunt who had diabetes. That is human.

                    23. That’s completely different from “forgetting” an important meeting that took place only months before about which you were specifically asked.

                      I suspect that if it were a Democrat that “forgot” so conveniently, you wouldn’t be so quick to paper it over and forgive a little slip of memory.

                    24. “That’s completely different from “forgetting” an important meeting that took place only months before about which you were specifically asked.”

                      The human brain doesn’t parse information in that fashion.

                      I treat all politicians the same. Intent and importance are also important criteria.

                    25. No you don”t. You’re a Trump supporter. That’s all anyone needs to know to realize you are a Grade A ignoramus. There is no cure for it. Claiming you treat all politicians the same is laughable. You’re a TRUMP supporter! Nobody needs to know anything more than that to correctly assess your IQ.

                    26. “You’re a Trump supporter. That’s all anyone needs to know”

                      This Louise is the crux of your problem. You cannot believe that anyone supporting Trump has any knowledge or can be fair. That is because you are accustomed to who you are, totally biased.

                    27. And you’re not? You support a fool,of a president most of the country and the rest of the world hates and you’re not biased! You are a perfectly rational person. It’s the rest of the world that’s crazy.

                    28. As I said Louise, “You cannot believe that anyone supporting Trump has any knowledge or can be fair. That is because you are accustomed to who you are, totally biased.” You are a hater. I don’t know whether Trump will be a good or bad President just like I didnt know how Obama would act once in the White House. Trump has performed well, but too many of our politicians have demonstrated their real colors and are ugly. I base my approval or disapproval on what was done not on the vile hatred you continuously display.

                    30. “What has he done that you admire?”

                      I’lll start with just one and add as many as you like. He got rid of regulations that tied the hands of businesses. That action increases jobs and the country’s wealt.

                    31. They got rid of regulations before Black Friday, too, and look what happened. The econmy heats up then BAM! I suppose you’d like history to repeat itself. Bush got rid of banking regulations and look what happened in 2008. Your wishes will come true yet again. We may well have an even bigger crash this time. What fun!

                    32. “They got rid of regulations before Black Friday”

                      They did a lot wrong befor BlackFriday and even more afterwards making the depression go deeper and last longer. There are good and bad regulations.

                      I’ll give an example of a stupid rule. During the time that our economy was down the tubes a provision of Obamacare forced companies to add expensive insurance if the business exceeded 50 employees. That made businesses cease hiring at 50. Jobs should have been the primary concern.

                    33. Really? The crash came while Bush was president. The affordable Care Act didn’t go into effect until a year and three months after Obama’s inauguration. So much for trying to blame every negative thing on Obama. So, according to you, the ACA caused the crash more than a year before it became law and while Bush was president! Both Obama and the ACA must have been much more powerful than anyone realized. Just the kind of “logic” we can expect from a Trump supporter.

                    34. Louise, The crash came while Bush was President. I don’t give Bush good marks for his economy, but Obama made it a lot worse and doubled the deficit even though the war in Iraq had ended. The ACA was a job killer and a bad program that was predicted in advance would fail for exactly the reasons it is failing today. Gruber told us bluntly that they lied to us on purpose. Now the premiums are sky high with equally sky high deductibles while many areas have been left with no insurers and some only with one. Choice for many is near non existent because of narrow panels and we have about 28 million uninsured. Employjment issues were placed on the back burner. That is hell for the middle class.

                      Obama wasted much of TARP and then went on to waste much of the stimulus plan. The working families and minorities all have suffered. I’m not concerned today with Obama rather moving the country in the right direction, but with your type of hate that could be very difficult.

                    35. I will no longer respond to insulting diatribes it is not worth my time. If you can’t state your position without insults, you prove your rank ignorance.

                    36. …And the bird brain sends another one.

                      Louise, it appears you have palilalia, happens in some neuro-degerative diseases. You repeat yourself so I will repeat what you said and my earlier response.

                      “This ignorant diatribe is not worth my time to respond to. I will no longer respond to rank ignorance.”

                      I guess, Louise, that means you wil stop talking to yourself. The Thorazine must be working. It will be good not to hear the squaking from a bird brain.

                    37. Louise Hudson – enough of the ad hominem attacks on people. It just shows you are losing the argument.

                    38. So what do your equally frequent ad hominems show? Can we both be losing the argument?

                  2. The current U6 unemployment rate as of June 2017 is 8.60. It ticked up in June.

                    2. “The current U6 unemployment rate as of June 2017 is 8.60. It ticked up in June.”

                      Is that the firm June number or the estimate?

                      Let’s assume it is the firm number. That makes Obama .3 for the year and Trump .8 for 5 months or 1.6 for 10 months or 1.92 for 12 months .3 to 1.92 quite a difference. Makes Obama look like a piker and makes Trump look a lot better. The U 6 might even get worse if the Republicans can’t pass the legislation they are supposed to pass, but overall our economy should do better with Trump’s methods (rather than Obama’s ) because his ideas are to permit businesses to grow and hire more people. Jobs are important for jobs provide our citizens with money and provide our government with taxes and our country with wealth.

                    3. Why don’t you try changing the subject instead of Commenting on the thread?

                    4. “Bush added about $5 Trillion in debt in 8 years….Obama added about $10 Trillion to the debt in 8 years.”

                      tnash, we know that but these folk trying to prove something false and of no value don’t have the slightest idea of what really goes on. They just regurgitate whatever they see from a left wing hit blog and spew it out. When that fails they call other people racists. Racism is horrible and shouldn’t be used incorrectly as a weapon because it demeans those that were injured by racism. In Louise’s case she doesn’t care and that is why I believe her to be a hidden racist and ugly.

                    5. Hmm pot calls the kettle black. That adds to your already low level of intelligence. But, never mind. You wouldn’t notice.

                    6. “Hmm pot calls the kettle black. ”

                      Louise it seems that your brain is cranking to a halt. I’m not Bush calling the kettle black. I’m Allan who said Bush wasn’t good in the debt department either. tnash added to your knowledge base by showing how much GWB increased the debt and Obama doubled that number.

                      Then out of the blue you impune my intelligence. Look at the information you have provided. Almost nil. Then look at what I have said.

                      You must be quite insecure. Take a Valium and go to bed.

                    7. “Presumably you have a lot of experience with Valium, and probably something harder. It shows. On top of being a gullible fool you’re also a pusher. Get help. You’re on a downward spiral.”

                      What vitriol, Louise. You may need more than one Valium or perhaps Thorazine would be preferrable because you are acting a bit psychotic. Get it in pill form before they have to subdue you and inject it into your butt.

                      No I have nothing to do with illegal drugs or anything illegal and I certainly am not a fool. You can see that for yourself, but I see your rage is occupying to much space in that not very smal cranium. Gee, I hope it doesn’t explode.

                    8. Yes, I believe everything you say. You’ve shown yourself to be trustworthy.

            2. >> Trump won because he appealed to the basest, racist biases of white voters, that immigrants are the cause of America’s problems and have to be dealt with. <<

              That's a fantasy. According to the Washington Post, "…Trump actually performed slightly worse among white voters than Mitt Romney did. He did, however, perform better than Romney among blacks, Latinos and Asian Americans, making it more difficult to claim that racial resentment was the dominant factor explaining Trump’s support nationally."

              Repeat: Trump did WORSE with whites than Romney did and BETTER with minorities than Romney did.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/?utm_term=.e06ce71c669c

              You would not know that because MSNBC, CNN, and the left blogsphere believe half the country is composed of deplorable, irredeemable, Russia loving, white supremacist, neo-Nazis.

              1. He did worse by a couple percentage points (57% to 59%) among whites and one percentage point better among Latinos and African-Americans (27/28%). I don’t call getting only 27% of the Latino and African-American vote minority outreach.

        3. People who say that apparently realize that it makes them look bad to be a Trump supporter. It does, and for good reason.

      2. “I will watch for your comments when Mueller says there is no collusion or crIme.”

        Lest we forget, the Warren Commission said that Oswald killed Kennedy

        (although the attending emergency physician at Parkland said that he placed a tracheotomy

        in a front “entrance wound” in Kennedy’s throat in the front –

        Questioner :

        Doctor, describe the entrance wound. You think from the front in the throat?

        Dr Perry :

        The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the front of the throat; yes, that is correct. The exit wound, I don’t know. It could have been the head or there could have been a second wound of the head. There was not time to determine this at the particular instant.).

        1. George,…
          Not to spend endless time on this, but I pointed out that a choatic, desperate 20 min. ER set of procedures differ from those of a 4+hour autopsy.
          JFK was on his back the entire time in the ER…the doctors briefly saw the bullet wound in the throat, but were unaware of the corresponding hole in JFK’s upper back/ base of the next wound.
          I think you’re quoting from a press conference 2 MDs case within minutes of JFK’s official time of death. (The entire press conference is available online).
          Dr. Perry speculated that JFK may have been shot only once….that the bullet hit his throat, possibly went upward and caused the wounds to the cranium.
          He also obliterated the throat bullet wound with the incision for the trach tube.
          As I mentioned before, these guys weren’t standing around pondering ballistic evidence.
          ER doctors often are unable to determine whether a wound is an entrance or exit wound.

          1. George,
            I’ll repeat that the Parkland ER doctors, at least 4 out of 5, agreed with the conclusions of the Bethesda autopsy report.
            They learned about the wound they had not seen in the ER, and had access to autopsy photos and X-rays.
            I think several of those doctors gave similar testimony confirming the autopsy results to the Warren Commission.
            Almost all of the MDs involved in the ER with JFK shunned publicity.
            They were willing, up to a point, to talk to the press and investigators.
            They weren’t “publcity hounds”, but there was another factor.
            Too many people “locked them into” some of the statements they made at the Parkland press conference.
            At that point they had very limited knowledge of the nature of JFK’s wounds…the fact that they didn’t even see the back- upper neck bullet hole shows just how little knowledge they had of the wounds.
            In that context, they made some statements that they later clarified and modified when they had more information.
            What they kept running into was “but you said at the Parkland press conference that the throat wound was an entrance wound”.
            They got pretty sick of hearing that, and with few exceptions, avoided discussing the case.

    2. You are the biggest expert and purveyor of Fake News–at least your stuff is entertaining. Cheers.

      1. Careful, she is head cheerleader for RWNJ and local klan trollop. Pretty soon you will be immortalized in a poem.

        1. Ynot – you really have trouble not making ad hominem attacks.

  16. JT: Resign for the good of GW. You disgrace the university by enabling Trump’s racism and historic assaults on civil rights. Now with Trump, jr., you are fueling fake news conspiracy theories. In sum, you’re words are damaging our democracy. Merely consider this WASH. POST editorial: “The Trump Campaign Attempted Collusion.” — Your massive dishonesty and failure to address these key points on why Trump Jr.’s conduct is clear proof of his mendacity and evidence of the Trump campaign’s collusion proves that you are UNFIT for tenure at GW. Please resign.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-campaigns-attempted-collusion/2017/07/10/7841c090-65b0-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-e%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2216370fb9ab

    1. The democracy is doing just fine; it’s the republic that’s in peril. The good news is the progressives are teaching the people the difference.

      1. They’re still letting you post here? In spite of your consistently disgusting racism and unhinged fake news conspiracy rants? But why should I be surprised? It’s Turley’s site after all!

          1. If you had your own website and it was overwhelmingly filled with posts by racists then you’d be okay with that?

            1. No..
              And if this site were “overwhelmingly filled with posts by racists” I wouldn’t bother to read it, or post comments.
              Anyway, when JT resigns from GW, and blocks any and all references to race on this site, it might be more acceptable to you.

        2. chris, it appears that you believe what you are told to believe and that the circuits of your brain don’t permit you to have a mind open to thoughts that might disagree with your own. You are a danger to any democratic republic.

          Though you might not like Trump or his policies the nation elected him President and did so because of his policies. You can play the race card all you want. The country is starting to realize what playing the race card really means and is getting sick of it. I think considering all the maneuvering by the sick left and incompetent right Trump is actually getting things done, but we won’t realize it until it smacks us in the face because anything Trump does is automatically interpreted as bad.

          Trump releases what he does in his daily emails that can be confirmed by looking at the raw data untouched by the unclean hands of the media.

          Sign up for 1600 daily and the rest at: https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600daily

          Then you can comment positively or negatively with proof about what the President has done.

          1. Wrong! The nation “elected” Trump as a direct result of Comey’s allegations about Clinton’s emails and Russian interference with the election. That is not even in contention. Trump’s “election” was a fraud. He should be removed from the presidency he entered by fraudulent means,

            1. You, of course, are blowing more hot air than a horse fart. There was no fraud. That is a flat out lie. No votes were changed. If anything, there were votes cast illegally that probably benefited HRC which is why Democrats are so afraid of voter ID laws and having an honest assessment of voter fraud.

              The only reason Comey spoke publicly is because Clinton had been under an FBI criminal investigation and Obama’s Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, had compromised herself by unethically meeting with Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac. Then the pervert husband of HRC’s top aide engaged in sexting with a minor and the FBI found emails on his computer that he was not authorized to have, so the FBI announced it was going to reopen the investigation. All of that is a direct result of wrongdoing by HRC or her top aide. Blaming Comey for their wrongdoing is pathetic.

              It’s funny that Democrats think only the negative stuff about HRC matters and voters apparently ignored the the negative stuff about Trump. Do you think voters didn’t hear about the Access Hollywood tape NBC dropped days before the election to try to swing the election to HRC? Do you think voters didn’t hear the media and talking head constantly call Trump a buffoon, a con man, a racist who hates Hispanics, Muslims and all the rest of it?

              The reality is that voters weighed it all and in the end decided Trump was the change agent they wanted and HRC was not only corrupt, but she would represent Obama’s third term.

              I understand your anger. You lost to the political neophyte host of Celebrity Apprentice who can be reckless, coarse, uncouth and so on. It’s a hard reality to accept.

            2. If there was any Russian interference it was on the part of Clinton. Follow the money of the Clinton Foundation and her husband’s speaking fees. Why not provide an explanation for the uranium sales and other contributions to the Clinton Foundation and her husband while she was Secretary of State. Ask some Haitians about the Clintons and what happened to the money that was supposed to go to help the people.

              There was no fraud in Trump’s election, but that is what the left says every time they lose. Take note how the left lost members in Congress and governors in states. Take note of Illinois. How many left wing governors have had to be jailed. Is it up to four in recent times? Take note how the left in Illinois serves themselves and have almost completely destroyed the states credit ratings. Take a look at what the leftist mayor of NYC has been doing. Look at the worst cities in the nation. All run by leftists for years.

              You have dreams that you wish to become reality, but you don’t have reality on your side.

              2. Illinois ranks in the top 5 for political corruption. Four out of the last seven governors went into the slammer. And don’t forget about all the U.S. representatives, state representatives, comptrollers, etc.

                And let’s not forget where Barry Obama learned how to play the game of politics: Chicago, Illinois.

                Remember when Obama said, “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”?

              1. It doesn’t make the least but of difference. Before or after, it’s all the same to me.

            4. Ha ha ha. Estab Dems are such losers – and continuing to lose “bigly”. Wake up HIlbots! We don’t want Obama2.0. Any candidate you put out there we will unite and defeat him/her/ze

              Tulsi Gabbard 2020

              1. Psst, Obama isn’t running for president. He will never be president again. I’m sure that comes as a shock to you.

          2. Allan — Trump’s failures to pass any major policies are the documented and direct result of his own incapacity to serve as POTUS. This is a well reported FACT, especially as concerns healthcare wherein numerous GOP House members went on record saying they don’t listen to Trump because he doesn’t know anything about policy. The fact that Trump repudiated the House Bill just days after he held a public celebration of it is manifest proof of this intra-party disrespect. I’ll give you a pass you for not knowing this, but I won’t give you a pass for sanctioning Trump’s obvious mental instability and fitness for Office: You can accept his widely documented racism, sexism, anti-Muslim bias and mass inhumane world view all you wish by pretending it doesn’t exist or that it’s the by-product of fake news — but I don’t have that luxury because I live in the real world and am directly threatened by Trump’s infantile madness.

            1. Chris, apparently you don’t follow the real news. Did he not reduce regulation? Haven’t we seen a better economy and more jobs? Trace the U6 in order to understand the employment situation. Haven’t the numbers of illegal aliens crossing out borders decreased?

              Did you notice how France’s leftist Macron jockied positions so that he could stand right next to Trump? Did you not listen to Trump’s speech in Poland and think for yourself instead of becoming a parrot of mindless reporters?

              “House members went on record saying they don’t listen to Trump because he doesn’t know anything about policy.”

              Most of those house members that make statements even close to that know very little about healthcare no matter which side they are on. They are all worried about their jobs. Trump knows one thing you can’t insure sick people and that is how Obama looked at things. You insure healthy people. The known sick are a big problem, but the real solution resides with insuring the healthy and the very large group of unknown sick. Subsidies can be used to help those in need. I don’t know what the Republican plan will look like and worry because I don’t think most members on either side understand the dynamics of the healthcare sector.

              “I won’t give you a pass for sanctioning Trump’s obvious mental instability and fitness for Office”

              Apparently you think you have a medical degree to diagnose problems from afar. A bit too much hubris. Trump appears as fit as anyone to serve as President in the general sense.

              “You can accept his widely documented racism, sexism, anti-Muslim bias and mass inhumane world view all you wish by pretending it doesn’t exist ”

              You look at talk and how the media spins things. Look at actions. Look at who he has hired and dealt with. He is not a prejudiced guy. Some anti-Trump persons have even labelled Trump an anti-Semite despite the fact that his children have married Jews and and he has Jewish grandchildren. Take note of who hires women to fill high ranking positions. Say what you will, but HRC is certainly not the type of individual that should be running for any office in this nation. She is self serving.

              ” I don’t have that luxury because I live in the real world and am directly threatened by Trump’s infantile madness.”

              There will always be winners and losers, but Trump believes more in meritocracy than most so don’t be threatened by Trump unless you depend upon others to support not merit based activities.

              Go to https://www.whitehouse.gov, sign up for emails and follow them daily to see what was done or not done. Then use your own mind to figure out whether what was done was good or bad

    3. Yes, so many of JT’s posts look for a forgiving explanation for what is clearly bizarre and (at the very least) highly inappropriate behavior on the part of Trump and his crew. Witness his latest post about Comey’s possible wrong-doing. Apparently Comey doesn’t deserve any forgiving explanations, unlike the Trumps. The bias is clear.

  17. Here’s some info on our alleged Lawyer from the Kremlin from Business Insider where they still practice some journalism:

    “Veselnitskaya is the family lawyer for Denis Katsyv, the son of senior Russian government official Pyotr Katsyv and owner of the Cyprus-incorporated real-estate company Prevezon. Prevezon was under investigation by the Department of Justice at the time of Veselnitskaya’s meeting with Trump Jr. over whether it laundered millions of dollars — allegedly stolen in the tax fraud scheme that Magnitsky uncovered — into New York City real estate.

    Katsyv, with Veselnitskaya’s help, is at the center of efforts to overturn the adoption ban — which would start with the repeal of the Magnitsky Act. In February 2016, Katsyv registered a nonprofit company in Delaware called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation, the stated aim of which is to overturn the ban.

    Veselnitskaya helps “represent” the HRAGIF along with a colleague, according to an email that colleague sent last April seen by Business Insider and first reported by The Daily Beast. And she had been lobbying to repeal the Magnitsky Act at the time the HRAGIF was set up, roughly four months before she met with Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. She also helped organize the Brussels screening of an anti-Magnitsky film that cast doubt on both Browder’s claims and Magnitsky’s findings.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/magnitsky-act-russian-adoptions-donald-trump-jr-meeting-2017-7

    1. “efforts to overturn the adoption ban” I’m sorry, but that twisting of the situation sickens me.

      I am biased because I know a family (happens to be an accomplished appellate attorney, but that’s not important) who had previously adopted a Russian boy, and had traveled to some godforsaken city in Russia to meet a little orphan girl they expected to adopt as their daughter. That was in process when Putin arbitrarily imposed his ban on adoptions in retaliation for the American sanctions on his his criminal associates. They have to sit here in America knowing that that little girl is alone in an orphanage in Russia, and she has to sit in that orphanage, enduring who knows what possible abuse or neglect, with the knowledge that there is a loving family for her but that she is powerless to join them and be their daughter.

      Let’s not lie or prevaricate on this: Putin is literally using orphans (and the loving families) as hostages in order to free up the movement of criminals and their ill-gotten money into the US.

      If you want to boil down what’s wrong with Putin, why it is reasonable to call him “evil”, his decision to use these orphans as hostages in this situation sums it up well.

      Nothing is stopping Putin from doing the right thing this instant and lifting his ban on adoptions other than his decision to use them in furthering his ongoing criminal actions.

  19. Many of Turley’s commenters are similar in deductive skills to Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson jurors.

    1. Linda,…
      With O.J., or Casey Anthony, or Watergate, the starting point was the crime.
      We currently have investigations IN SEARCH OF a crime.
      It’s an important distinction.

      1. The O.J. and Anthony jurors were incapable of finding the defendants’ crimes. I observe a similar level of denial in many of the ideology-driven followers of Turley’s blog.

        1. The O.J. and Anthony jurors were incapable of finding the defendants’ crimes.

          I understand your confusion. In the cases of OJ and Anthony, a crime was committed and the jurors were unable to conclude guilt on the part of the defendants. With President Trump and company, the jurors have concluded guilt prior to the investigators finding evidence of a crime.

          Thus, your observation does seem valid: I observe a similar level of denial in many of the ideology-driven followers of Turley’s blog.

          1. I believe a crime has been committed by Russia messin with our election. The outstanding question is whether or not the Trump campaign knowingly benefited, thereby making them criminals as well. The evidence search continues.

            1. So what qualifies as a crime when a foreign government messes in another country’s election? Also, who is responsible to respond to this crime, the private citizen that might benefit from the results, or the government figures that were aware the crime was occurring? I ask this because that last point already has evidence that the Obama administration was aware and did nothing about it. Does that make them criminals?

              Would you consider it a crime if anyone from our government messes in another country’s election?

        2. Linda – I watched the O.J. trial live every day and the trial I watched was not the trial that was reported on the nightly news. The “Dream Team” schooled the prosecution. They destroyed Fuhrman and the entire evidence trail. There was no way that jury was coming back with a guilty verdict.

        1. Please don’t allow this witch-hunt to end. Conservatives are loving the exposure of the corrupt political class. Eventually the law will find the bar none of these folks will be able to crawl under. Then bring in Trey Gowdy to replace Sessions and start indicting the whole lot of them.

          More popcorn please.

          1. Was Kenneth Starr your hero?

            The content in the e-mails dumped on the public by Don Jr., his lies about no contact until the NYT forced his hand (and, his father’s refusal to release tax returns) would lead you to chants of “lock him up”, if the person involved was a Dem.
            You may not be much of a puzzle. The political right’s intelligent people left the party when the Dem. party became neoliberal. The people who remain in the party are the intelligence deficit type who thrill at Fox’s misinformation and the rants of Hannity, Alex Jones and Ann Coulter. A small number on the right want to patrol and control people’s bedrooms and procreation. And, another group are racist at a visceral level.

            1. Adding to the list of Repubs, there are trust fund babies who didn’t get the memo about Dems being the concubine party of the rich.

  20. This is awesome! When the dust settles, the American people will have received a free civics lesson from the progressive left and they will conclude the real threat to our country is not the Russians but the progressive left.

    More popcorn please.

    1. Oil-hope your right because the danger from this group is very real.

    2. What the republicans and Mueller do is much more consequential to the future of the Trump family than any actions the left might take.

    3. Oily, I think this past election demonstrates what you say above. Trump won because of the publics lack of faith in left leaning ideas. Many are learning real fast when they pay their health insurance premiums if they can still afford them and if there is still an insurer around.

      Unfortunately, too many Republicans willingly espouse leftist ideas.

      1. Unfortunately, too many Republicans willingly espouse leftist ideas.

        Allan,
        These two major political parties have been corrupted by progressivism. The administrative state is the result. The parties are thus divided by which side controls the levers of big government. Voters have been rejecting the Democrat’s version in the state houses and governorships as their policies have failed. The GOP-controlled House and Senate are on the clock but their progressive wing hasn’t yet figured that out. What the progressive left hasn’t figured out yet is they are fighting against an electorate that has rejected them. Speaking for myself, I didn’t vote for Trump because he was what I wanted in a President. I voted for him because Clinton was not, is not and never will be what this nation’s President should be.

        Self-government is a 3-legged stool of: 1. Civics Literacy 2. Civics Engagement 3. Self-Reliance. The progressives turned that idea on its head. So instead we get: 1. Ignorance 2. Apathy 3. Dependence. The beauty of what is happening in the country right now is the progressive left is undermining their own work. Their efforts to undermine President Trump is exposing the dangers of the bureaucratic state. More and more people are becoming informed and engaged. With that comes the desire to get government out of our lives.

        There really is nothing for conservatives to lose by this silent coup. This fight was always going to come to a head and the longer it’s waged, the deeper this new age of enlightenment will sink in.

        1. “These two major political parties have been corrupted by progressivism. ”

          Nonsense. They have been corrupted by greed and the lust for power.

          1. That’s funny bettykath! 🙂 That’s like saying they’re not obese; they just consume high volumes of fatty foods and loathe exercise.

    4. Love it! I’ll have a large diet coke with my popcorn, please!

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