“That Hero Lies In You”: Saudi Feminist Leader Reportedly Tortured In Saudi Arabia While Saudis Enjoy Mariah Carey Concert

Saudi Arabia is full of contradictions as a nation imposing medieval Islamic laws while striving to portray itself as a modern country. We have routinely discussed the incredible bravery of women in the Kingdom who have risked everything to demand the most minimal rights of human beings from freedom of speech to freedom of travel to associational rights. One of these heroes is Saudi activist Loujain Alhathloulwho remains incarcerated and is being reportedly tortured for her advocacy of equal rights. For all of the women being abused in the Kingdom, many objected to Maria Carey holding a concert when this repression continues. Carey, who loves to sing about that “hero inside you,” took the money and will be holding the concert today. It appears that Carey’s commitment to women does not extend as far as turning down one concert from her already burgeoning fortune.

In an oped calling on Carey to cancel the concert, Walid Alhathloul wrote about how his sister Loujain described being regularly whipped, beaten, electrocuted and sexually harassed in a basement she called the “palace of terror.” She was arrested in May 2018 with 10 other brave women. One of those implicated in torture is the infamous aide to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saud al-Qahtani. He is also implicated in the murder of a Washington Post journalist,  Jamal Khashoggi,  The Crown Prince has also been implicated in widespread torture and murders.

Loujain Alhathloul’s family alleges that she and other female detainees have been tortured and sexually harassed in prison.The official Saudi Press Agency said the women’s rights defenders were accused of “suspicious contact with foreign entities.”Riyadh previously denied allegations of torture in a statement to CNN following an initial Human Rights Watch report alleging the abuse in November.”The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s judiciary system does not condone, promote, or allow the use of torture. Anyone, whether male or female, being investigated is going through the standard judiciary process led by the public prosecution while being held for questioning, which does not in any way rely on torture either physical, sexual, or psychological,” a Saudi official told CNN in November.

Mariah Carey loves to sing about strong women and being a hero:

And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you’ll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you, oh, oh

That apparently is only when those abusing women are not paying you a fortune to entertain the Kingdom. Her handlers insist that the concern will be a mixed gender audience and thus is “a positive step towards the dissolution of gender segregation.”

Then of course there was that money thing.

One can only hope that Carey’s concert can be piped into the cells of women being raped and tortured to give them that positive feeling. That Carey optimism did not appear to reach two Saudi sisters who recently committed suicide rather than return to the oppression of the Kingdom.

Carey however is not the only hypocrite. We all are. The Trump Administration has yet to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for the murder of Khashoggi. Trump’s refusal has continued despite the report of a tape of a  “smoking gun phone call” of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman with an alleged instruction to “silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible.” In a new interview, Trump has suggested that perhaps we should all just agree on blaming a “vicious world.” 

This was a carefully planned killing with a team sent from Saudi Arabia, including the double and a close security aide to the Crown Prince.  Moreover, there is a recording referencing the Crown Prince by the murderers as well as an intercept of a team member calling an aide to Prince Mohammed and saying “tell your boss” that the mission was accomplished. Intercepts also show that Prince Mohammed was trying to find ways to lure Mr. Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia.  The tape of the Crown Prince would seem to seal the matter, but it clearly has not moved Trump.

He had no trouble luring Carey of course. It only took a check.

Lord knows
Dreams are hard to follow
But don’t let anyone
Tear them away, hey yeah 
Hold on
There will be tomorrow
In time you’ll find the way

And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you’ll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you
That a hero lies in you
Mmm, that a hero lies in you

Turning down the money would not have made Carey a hero, but it would have made a statement in support of real heroes like Loujain Alhathloul.

What happens to Loujain Alhathloul affects us all. Her fight for freedom and equal rights is the story of the struggle of human rights that we all share as human beings. Once Carey stops singing and collects her check, Loujain will remain in prison as our close ally continues to deny her — and all women, journalists, homosexuals, non-Muslim believers, and political dissidents — basic human rights. She does not just about heroes for money, she is a hero.

60 thoughts on ““That Hero Lies In You”: Saudi Feminist Leader Reportedly Tortured In Saudi Arabia While Saudis Enjoy Mariah Carey Concert”

  1. Why does the USA which is energy self sufficient still buy oil from Saudi Arabia.

    Probably to keep the Mid East somewhat divided and if that is true then why not support the re-establishment of Kurdistan? Instead of the made by Europeans Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Turkey. with at least three of those mentioned all or in part containing stolen lands?

  2. Curious how JT is concerned about Saudi Arabia but makes no mention of the Virginia Assembly having a discussion yesterday on killing a baby moments after being delivered.
    Just speechless.

    VP Pence said it all too well. Notice how the left have been silent in the MSM as well as on these forums.

    Life Is Under Attack
    January 31, 2019 11:46 AM

    “Look at how far the Democratic party has fallen.

    This week, a delegate to the Virginia state legislature introduced a bill affirming abortion up to the moment of birth. In shocking testimony, the delegate admitted that even when it was obvious that a child was about to be born — in the 40th week of a pregnancy, even in the midst of active labor — this proposed law would allow for the child to be aborted, so long as a single doctor approves.

    Governor Ralph Northam, a supporter of the bill, went even further in a radio interview the next day. He tried to reassure its opponents that if a child survived an abortion, “the infant would be kept comfortable. [And] the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue.”

    There’s another word for this: infanticide. And it is morally reprehensible and evil.”

    1. Estovir: Please post Mike Pence’s medical credentials here. I was not aware he ever worked in the medical profession.

      On the surface one would think this post is a “What about the babies?”, comment. That would follow a familiar pattern here regarding Trump supporters. Whenever Professor Turley posts something critical of Trump, or administration policies, Trump supporters will always respond with a “What about– designed to change the subject.

      In the world of right-wing media, Donald Trump can never, ‘ever’ be judged as a stand-alone subject. There must always be a “What about–

      1. Pete, are you trying to assert that one must have medical credentials in order to recognize infanticide when it is legislated by your fellow Moloch-worshippers, um, I mean Democrats?

        1. Foxtrot, I’m asserting that this is an issue between doctors and women. It shouldn’t be politicized by men with agenda to keep women dependent on men. Furthermore, it should be politicized by men who can’t distinguish between church and state.

          And Foxtrot, why aren’t women in Saudi Arabia deserving of any sympathy? Why does that subject have be urgently changed????

          1. Peter Shill “Why does that subject have be urgently changed????

            Well your hero did codify it

            “”Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”
            “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
            “Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
            “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
            “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
            “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
            “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
            “Keep the pressure on.”
            “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
            “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
            “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.”
            “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
            “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

            – Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals

            1. Estovir, you’re thinking strictly in terms of Culture Wars. To consumers of right-wing media, America is having a ‘cold civil war’. And in this cold civil war, any criticism of Donald Trump has to be met with an urgent “What about–

              It seems to me this country should focus on common bonds and mutual interests. But from a right-wing media perspective, that wouldn’t be good for business.

          2. Men are citizens too, PH. They have the right to express opinions and vote. They can even run for the legislature. Imagine that. Self-loathing is a bad way to start your morning.

          3. Foxtrot, I’m asserting that this is an issue between doctors and women. I

            That doctors and women conspire to do something monstrous doesn’t render it less monstrous.

            . It shouldn’t be politicized by men with agenda to keep women dependent on men

            You should be able to function mentally without reciting inane talking points, slogans, and tropes.

          4. “It shouldn’t be politicized by men with agenda to keep women dependent on men.”

            That’s a pretty broad brush to use on men who believe that abortion is murder. What if I said that all men who support abortion on demand at any time only do so because they don’t want to pay child support?

      2. Estovir: Please post Mike Pence’s medical credentials here. I was not aware he ever worked in the medical profession.

        That’s irrelevant, Peter

    2. the good news is most of the people offing their unborns will be people who would tend to vote Democrat in the first place. Now maybe that’s tough — but true. So don’t worry too much about abortion, maybe

      1. If we worried more about rape and sexual exploitation and aggression….we wouldn’t have to worry so much about abortion. So I m sure glad we have a KAVANAUGH on the bench.

        1. Looks like the truth is that rape laws have been around for a very long time. I wonder if there are laws against excessive hysterical and incoherent caterwauling.

          To wit,

          “The Code of Hammurabi, one of the earliest sets of written laws, considered the rape of a virgin as property damage against her father. For a long time, the rape of a woman was considered a property crime against the victim’s husband or father. The word itself derives from the Latin word rapere, or “seize”. It wasn’t until the 11th and 12th centuries that rape began to be considered more as a violent, sexual crime against the victim. At the end of the 13th century, the Statutes of Westminster allowed the crown to prosecute rapists should the victim’s family choose not to do so, signifying a fundamental change in rape being viewed as a crime against the State.”

          – UALR

          1. A crime against the State…as in harming a person protected by the State. A crime against a PERSON. But you don’t get that because your toxic male chemicals prevent your brain from seeing women as actual PERSONS.

            You must be getting very uncomfortable with some of the current cultural shifts….

    3. “In 2003, the definition of partial birth infanticide was added to the code which states that any person who knowingly performs partial birth infanticide and thereby kills a human infant is guilty of a Class 4 felony (§18.2-71)- this is consistent with what the questioner in the video was describing, and not the bill submitted by Delegate Tran. This remains a crime and would not be something any sane licensed physician would perform. The code is very specific and clear about what this means and it is different from an abortion, even late term.”
      Democrat Virginia Delegate Dawn Adams

      Good to see the Dems in VA are running away from Tran but the fact remains: Tran wants to commit infanticide and her ilk like Gov Northam, are all for killing, killing, killing.

      so much for peace having a chance

      1. Estovir, explain why a woman would bother carrying a pregnancy into the third semester if she was not serious about having a baby. I mean, if a woman honestly has no desire to carry a pregnancy, she can terminate as soon as possible (if the law allows).

        For that reason third semester abortions almost always involve extreme complications. What’s more, babies born with extreme abnormalities are going to be very costly to someone or some government agency.

        In these cases, the mother had better be rich, or Medicaid is on the hook for seriously expensive medical care. Social Security is also on the hook for regular disability payments. In any event that mother will have to devote her full-time efforts to that child. Which means ‘no time’ for the rest of her family!

        Estovir, should healthy children be deprived of their mom’s attention because she couldn’t abort a child with extreme abnormalities? Because it actually comes down to that.

        1. Life is sacred, Peter Shill, and when the culture gyrates towards a pro death one, you get modern America.

          It isnt too difficult to grasp this unless if you devalue life….just like pro-abortionists and their supporters, much like Nazis killing in concentration camps because they devalued life

          The woman being tortured in Saudi Arabia is as heinous as a developing baby, nay a third trimester baby being delivered, suddenly getting slaughtered. the powerful in Saudi Arabia torturing women and those making money at an abortion bill are one and the same: they have a lust for power at the expense of life

          kinda like Bill Clinton raping women while the Feminists defended him

          your lust for power, Peter Shill, has given license to denigrate all life.

          see how that works?

          Thanks for asking

          1. Estovir, here you attempt to stir a number of issues into one pot. And again, you’re strictly coming from a right-wing media perspective.

            To those outside the right-wing media bubble, your post here just reads like a smattering of Fox News talking points.

          2. Estovir,
            Have you learned yet that anyone who disagrees with Peter must be trapped inside of a “right-wing media bubble”?
            Escape is possible if you adopt Peter’s David Brock/Share Blue talking points.
            Of course you will then be trapped in a “left-wing media bubble”, but that is the “good bubble”.

            1. Tom, there are a number of ‘left wing’ sources that I don’t bother with. I don’t want an echo chamber But apparently you do.

              By the way, Tom, Turley’s column here is actually about Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women. 10 women have been jailed and whipped for staging a protest that would be considered benign in western nations.

              Tom, do you think Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women is too controversial for discussion? Should any attempt to raise this issue be met with an urgent “What about–..??

              1. I am aware of the topic of this column. I’m also aware that you reliably brought up the “right-wing media bubble” and “Fox”.
                I never accused you of wanting a left-wing “echo chamber”.
                More accurately, you ARE a far left-wing echo chamber and a clownish propagandist.
                The answer to your questions are no, and no.

                1. Tom, can you tell that to the liberals on my Facebook stream? They’d be amazed to hear that Peter H is considered ‘far left’.

                  You see during the Sanders campaign, I alienated most of the liberals on my Facebook steam. And I annoyed them again by questioning ‘Me Too’.

                  THE GENUINE FAR-LEFT felt Obama was way too moderate. And they they labeled Hillary ‘Far Right’. So if I supported both, that makes me ‘right of center’ (in the minds of Bernie Bros).

                  So your attempts to portray me as a ‘far left radical’ is simply an effort to impeach my views. Like, “Don’t pay attention to him! He’s a far-left radical..!!”

                  And Tom, only people coming from the right-wing media bubble think in those terms.

            2. Tom,
              I believe in helping the poor. When we engage Peter Shill, we help him keep his job at Koreext Dah Rehkurd. Otherwise can you imagine him homeless on the streets wearing a ProChoice hat, hanging a noose around Democrats who support Howard Schultz?⛓🛠🔪

              1. Estovir, your ignorance astounds me. The 20 richest Congressional district are overwhelmingly blue. While the 20 poorest congressional districts are overwhelmingly red.

                Therefore your characterization of liberals as homeless losers has no foundation to speak of. Red state Trump supporters, however, are often disaffected Whites where jobs are getting scarce.

                Estovir, do we know you by any other names? It seems you popped out of nowhere somewhat recently. Like a soldier for Trump rushing into battle. As though liberals like Shill must be counter-programmed.

                Counter-programing begins with “What abouts– A mindless false equivalency where ‘some liberal somewhere’ committed an outrage. And you want it addressed immediately!!

              2. Estorvir,…
                I don’t know what the Soros-funded organizations pay their bots, so I don’t assume that Peter is poor.
                Also, there is the potential revenue if he decides to sell space on his HHHNN for advertizing.

    4. Here we go again…the misinformation monster set loose to guide the mob of emotionally reactive and intelligently submissive to a new palace of repression and exploitation. Oh goodydoodygoodydoodydoody…. can we have Mr.Pence for a President now????!!!!!!! Wheeeeee! that close to the Saudi prisons….here we come!!!!!!!!!

    5. Killing a Baby, Killing a Nation

      What are the underlying factors? The 19th Amendment and abortion. Ben Franklin, we gave you “…a republic, if you can keep it.” Americans can’t keep anything. What kind of weak leadership allows women to deny their natural function and duty to a nation, and to commit the murder of the future population? There is nothing rational about effecting a fertility rate in a “death spiral.” This is madness. Women got the vote and abortion, and America got a death sentence. The “deep state,” afraid of losing everything, started importing America’s population. Who doesn’t understand that Americans are giving their country away? What kind of country is that? What kind of women are those who fail in their essential, imperative duty; their raison d’être? There are more deaths than births of Americans. Who doesn’t understand that is a national death sentence? Abortion of a baby; abortion of a nation.

  3. By “feminist,” do you refer to a woman who engages enthusiastically in the natural function of her gender or an actual, true misogynist who denies it? Seems like a nation’s women make the nation…or not. Seems like women have the most important national task, to make the nation strong and growing or weak and vulnerable; dying. America’s women have put the fertility rate into a “death spiral” compelling the “deep state” to order the importation of America’s population. What’s the point of any nation if it doesn’t have babies, lots of babies, and people? What’s the point of femininity. What’s the point of womenhood? If women don’t enthusiastically make babies, there won’t be any people, including women. Women got the vote and now post-birth abortion. What are we doing here, disappearing? Either men or women must impose composure and coherence to the essential perpetuation and imperative growth of the American population or there simply won’t be one.

    1. “America’s women have put the fertility rate into a “death spiral” compelling the “deep state” to order the importation of America’s population.”
      You are an absolute idiot. Aside from the falling sperm rates is the actual economic reality that you don’t bring a child into the world that you can’t care for. So blame the Kabillionairres who don’t want to pony up a fair share….or the Oversight deniers who don’t want any imposition to rampant profits at the expense of rising wages and humane conditions…we are the 3rd world country now and our ‘Overlords’ buy and sell the very laws we are forced to live by. Up Yours.

      1. Ad hominem – the manifestation of the defeated.

        Sorry, I was writing about American women who have put the fertility rate into a “death spiral” – there are more deaths of Americans than births, for those of you in Rio Linda.

        You are an anti-American communist and mortal enemy of America and its Constitution.

        Your principles were recorded by Marx in his Manifesto 59 years after the Constitution because none of the principles of the Manifesto are in the Constitution. If the principles of communism existed anywhere in the Constitution, Marx would have had no need to write the Manifesto.

        You can’t handle the truth or life without welfare, affirmative action, etc., both of which are the purist forms of communism.

        Ben Franklin, we gave you “…a republic, if you can keep it.”

        Do you think actual Americans will be able to keep their republic?

        1. “You are an anti-American communist and mortal enemy of America and its Constitution.””Ad hominem – the manifestation of the defeated.”

          You have no idea what my principles are….you blame women for everything and make a very good display of your Misogynistic tendencies. Here’s a thought for your testosterone soaked brain…”By “feminist,” do you refer to a woman who engages enthusiastically in the natural function of her gender or an actual, true misogynist who denies it? “your quote….Do you really believe that the only purpose a woman serves is tyo procreate your twisted sperm? Seems to me that if that were true then Women would be treated much better in their child bearing years and beyond. Sorry you are just waking up to the fact that it takes 2 to make a baby….the bigger importance is how many it takes to make a decent healthy compassionate human being. talk to me again after you figure that out. Otherwise….I abort you dude.

    2. Fundamentally, we are a glorious herd. If we don’t replicate, we die. Sorry to remind, but we’re animals and there are roles ordained by biology that no amount of raging against will alter.

      1. Animals breed unthinkingly for reasons we have evolved beyond. Have you seen the state of the World? We are either over-populated and starving people and killing them off in wars or there is a very big lie being told to the general population to keep it rattled in fear and jumping through some very old hoops…..

        1. Becka G:
          “We are either over-populated and starving people and killing them off in wars or there is a very big lie being told to the general population to keep it rattled in fear and jumping through some very old hoops….”
          Maybe (but the hysteria over its effects was overblown (Damn Malthus!)). Yes. Yes. Likely. Still we need to propagate the species.

    1. MAY 8, 2018

      A Brief History of American Torture



      “To this day, not a single US government, military or intelligence official who devised, authorized, supervised or implemented America’s decades-old torture regime has been brought to justice or even criminally investigated for what are very clearly grave violations of domestic and international law. The American people don’t seem to care. A 2016 International Red Cross survey found that nearly half of Americans believe it is acceptable to torture enemy combatants to obtain important information. This, despite the fact that military and intelligence veterans, as well as the Senate torture report, concur that torture doesn’t work and produces unreliable information at best.

      “Denial — from the highest levels of government to mainstream media still reluctant or refusing to even say or print the word torture to a public which still embraces torture despite its barbarity and inefficacy — is the order of the day when it comes to facing America’s tortured history. Our nation’s failure to honestly examine its darkest deeds raises the all-too-real prospect of their repetition, a chilling possibility that seems likelier than ever given Trump’s choice of Haspel, someone accused of torturing for torture’s sake — and enjoying it.”

  4. Total corruption, not only in the erudite and genteel DOJ/FBI/Intel “deep state” but in bucolic, unpretentious Oregon. Saudi Arabia bailed out, issued new passports for those surrendered, and flew a group of suspects out of Oregon. Sounds a lot like what “W” Bush did after 9/11.

    “The Saudi Government Posted an Astronomical Bail for an Accused Killer in Portland. He Fled Anyway—Just as an Official Predicted.
    The student who killed teenage Fallon Smart is on the run. A sheriff’s deputy warned that would happen.”

    – Willamette Week


  5. My comment is not about the Stanford/Indian topic elsewhere on the blog here. No.
    Stanford needs a class on Saudi culture. Headscarves, the whole twit.

  6. This is another despicable example of lucre trumping common decency. However… Where would the consensus fall if carey used ALL THE MONEY from the concert to start a foundation that advocated for women’s rights globally?

    Always impressed with professor turley’s provocative essays focusing on seminal ethical issues and also, pace shifting absurd legal melees.

  7. And Trump continues to be best friends with MBS! It’s time to end our relationship with Saudi Arabia. No more arms; no more money; no more support. No more special favors and NO MORE YEMEN!

    1. As if our country were any better
      Infanticide….approved by the Democrat Governor of Virginia

      ““Where it’s obvious that a woman is about to give birth … she has physical signs that she is about to give birth, would that still be a point at which she could request an abortion if she was so certified? If she’s dilating?” Gilbert asked.

      Tran responded: “Mr. Chairman, that would be a decision that the doctor, the physician and the woman would make at that point.”

      “I understand that,” Gilbert said. “I’m asking if your bill allows that.”

      Tran said: “My bill would allow that, yes.”

      “@VAHouseDems proposed legislation to provide abortions up to just seconds before that precious child takes their first breath. Watch for yourself,” read the post from the House Republicans’ Twitter account Tuesday afternoon.

      As of Wednesday afternoon, the video had been viewed nearly 2.5 million times and had been shared by numerous conservative commentators and politicians, including former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who said the video “literally makes me sick to my stomach.”

      Tran took down her own Twitter account after the criticism began, and other Democratic lawmakers whose names are attached to the bill have been caught up in the backlash.

      Filler-Corn said the actions of the GOP leadership had led to ongoing harassment and intimidation against Democratic delegates and their families.

      “I understand that in a few short weeks campaign season will be upon us. And the gloves will be off,” Filler-Corn said. “But here, while we’re legislating, while we’re debating issues, while we’re doing the work of the people … what transpired yesterday was wrong. And it’s really beneath this body and unacceptable.”

      When asked if Democrats would pursue legislation similar to Tran’s if they take control of the House next year, Filler-Corn said that “there’s a lot of support for this type of legislation.”

      Tran showed no signs of wavering. In a statement Wednesday morning, she said lawmakers should “trust women to make their own health care decisions.”

      “These decisions are personal and private, and they are made in consultation with doctors who are using their best medical judgment,” said Tran, who was part of the wave of new Democratic delegates elected in 2017.

      “I regret that these partisan games have taken the focus away from where it should be: on the Virginian women who have asked for this bill to get politicians out of their private medical decisions.”


        1. I live in NY and it really creeps me out watching these people celebrate passing this disgusting bill. It really makes me want to move.

            1. Who is really the nut case or the most Nutz?

              Well, it’s pretty obvious to most.


              Or is it the lawmakers of NY, Virginia, Rhode Island… Citizens that put up with it?

              Imagine, it’s 5:30 in the morning, you’re still kinda asleep in bed, the news is on at a low volume & then it goes to a very loud commercial:

              Howdy Folks, coming on down to Bob Hurtley’s Fured & New Baby Body Parts!

              What kinda BBQ source do ya like on those Baby Back Ribs? We’ve Got It!.

              So you’ drank to much single Malt Scotch or Makers Mark over the years & now you’ve blown your Liver, well forgit about it, come on down, we’ve got a recent load of brand new livers starting at the low price of $295,000 plus installation.

              Too much Roundup on your Lawn & Garden or Radiation from Fukushima give you a bad rash of Cancer in which the Chemo blew out your kidneys?

              Not to worry, fresh kidneys daily starting at the low price of $169,000 each or $300,000 for the pair!

              Remember folks we’re killing the hell out of high priced body parts down here at Bob Hurtly’s Fured & New Baby Body Parts so get your azzes in here & bring your Kids as we still take trade-ins.

      1. Hey, Pro-LIfe, what is Trump’s healthcare plan for the nation??

        You call yourself ‘Pro-Life’, so obviously you’re terribly concerned about healthcare. So tell us, what Trump is doing to give the public timely access to affordable healthcare.

        Currently it seems that Trump has done everything possible to sabotage Obamacare. We need to know, however, what Trump is actually doing to ‘expand’ healthcare access. Most medical professionals say that ‘Preventive Medicine’ should be a major focus. In other words, people should know, at an early stage, when they have cancerous growths or other threats to their health.

        But without affordable access to healthcare, issues like cancer can go undetected too long. Undetected issues can become life-threatening when ‘not’ treated in a timely fashion.

        So tell us, Pro-Life, what ‘is’ the Trump administration doing to expand healthcare access?

        1. The fact that you can not differentiate between helpless unborn and people who should be self sufficient tells us all we need to know about you. Also, why doesn’t a grown responsible person have access to health care?

          1. Jim22, are you implying that people unable to afford health insurance are simply ‘irresponsible’..?? Because it sounds like you are saying exactly that.

            The idea seems be that all responsible adults should have quality employment that grants them access to healthcare. And if they don’t have such employment, then they are dumb, lazy or foolish which renders them undeserving of affordable healthcare.

            Jim, it seems like the pinnacle of hypocrisy to claim concern for life when it comes to women’s rights, only to blow-off people who can’t afford health insurance. Like it’s okay for poor losers to die of cancer, but every baby must be born no matter how deformed they might be.

            But Jim, you’re being honest. Because Republicans have always been hypocrites when it comes to life and healthcare.

          2. You are an absolute idiot. Absolutely. What do you know about the cost of healthcare and how one comes by it? Can you differentiate between a family where both parents work more than 1 job each to make rent/mortgage and then lose everything because they have no health insurance vs a profiteering Wall St, funded
            goon who attacks the economy w/false numbers and cashing in on speculative growth? Or don’t you understand that money is not an ‘idea’ if it is actually attached to hard work in real time? And who wants to bring another generation of helpless unborns into a world that trains them to be fodder for a machine that throws them away after they’ve used them all up and refused to care for them whiule they were doing the work of building your creepy marbled halls. Your mindset is pitifully narrow.

        2. Here’s my new hypothetical initiative. Asylum fast track approval condition on sterilization. Welfare too. I’m not feeling very Christian these days I guess. But maybe we can make a deal Peter?, eh?

          “…….. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes……Three generations of imbeciles are enough” — Buck v Bell

          Sterilization if voluntary in exchange for certain social programming, would avoid the compulsory issue problem address in Buck V Bell. Si Se puede– we can make this happen!

          1. Kurtz, you’re not adding anything constructive to the discussion. It’s just negative cynicism.

            Why don’t you comment instead on Trump’s support for a regime the jails and tortures women for staging seemingly harmless protests.

    2. Justice Holmes:
      “And Trump continues to be best friends with MBS! It’s time to end our relationship with Saudi Arabia. No more arms; no more money; no more support. No more special favors and NO MORE YEMEN!”
      You want to end a mutually beneficial strategic relationship on a claim of excessive punishment to a Saudi national by the Saudi government. You would do so and let Russia increase its influence in the region and grant them greater access to the oil fields by pushing Saudis to the Russians.

      So we should develop American foreign policy on your sense of justice backed up only by a “report” of torture that is categorically denied by our ally.

      Small think much? Can I send you a rattle?

    3. No more oil from the biggest oil fields in the world? Swell idea

      How about distance ourselves carefully, avoid further pointless wars in the middle east, and otherwise, not get too overheated about the whole thing

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