While New York Mayor de Blasio has pledged to “tax the hell out of the rich” and claimed unprecedented successes in the city, the number of New Yorkers leaving the city continues to rise. Indeed, the number has more than doubled in the last year. However, at the same time, the number international migrants to the city has risen sharply.
New York leads all other cities with the largest loss in population with 277 people moving every day. A year ago, it was 132. Los Angeles and Chicago follow New York as net losers with 201 and 161 residents, respectively.
However, during the same period, almost 100,000 net international migrants settled during the same period.
De Blasio is facing the loss of wealthy citizens who are going to lower tax states like Florida. Now that New Yorkers cannot write off their higher taxes on their federal forms, many are fleeing. The loss of these top earners can be devastating. The top 1 percent pays for nearly half of the income tax revenue in New York City. A family of four in New York earning $175,000 will pay 25 percent of their income in New York in taxes as compared to 14 percent for the same family in Florida. His promises to “tax the hell out of the rich” will not help retain those who have thus far stayed behind.
Headline News: da blassio spent 7 hours in the mayors office in the month of MAY 2019. Are you gittin ur monies worth YET?
Janice – you “meld” two metals together, however you melt 3 or more metals together.
David B. Benson – melting is the common usage of the term.
They had been leaving for years. The tax law is just accelerating the migration. When government passes discriminatory laws those on the receiving end are correct to move. There should only be one tax rate with laws applying to all people equally. No more class warfare both need the other.
NYC Mayor de Blasio has a 2 step process
If you ride an NYC subway train past 12 midnight & are lucky enough to live & see the sunrise, then Mayor Bill will tax the hell out of you….Regardless of wealth status.
New York City has always been a melding pot. No big deal.
David B, Benson – NYC is a salad bowl, not a melting pot (actual term).
https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/meld-metals-with-welding-and-brazing-zmaz07fmzsel
David B. Benson – The definition of a melting pot is a place where different people or different cultures all come together and begin to merge and mix. America is an example of a melting pot where immigrants and people from all over the world visit and live and share thoughts and ideas to create one big new culture.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/meld
An older mixture of copper and tin was called gun-meld bronze.
Meld is also a term used in some cooking recipes. One requires a pot or pan or bowl.
Once again professor you scrambled your thinking and are backpedaling to cover yourself. In this latest manifestation, you mixed up “melting pot” with “melding pot” and having realized your mistake, to save face you try to obfuscate your error by clamping down on this canard of proffering the utility of “Melding Pot” by repetitively defining the word Meld. The only one you are fooling is yourself.
From Merriam Webster’s website:
melting pot noun
Definition of melting pot
1a : a place where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals assimilate into a cohesive whole
b : the population of such a place
2 : a process of blending that often results in invigoration or novelty
I then typed in “Melding Pot” in the word search text field and this was the return:
“melding pot”
The word you’ve entered isn’t in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
It is self-evident that since there is the obvious definition of Melting Pot to agree with the context for which it was referenced in the various comments that was the proper term. And since there was no entry in the online dictionary for “Melding Pot” it would seem that you are succeeding only in digging yourself deeper into the ground.
Pft. Clearly you dorks arent as dorky as you think
Meld…Vulcan Mind Meld!!!
sheeesh
Schaden pedantry.
Oh fine. They can move to Florida and be washed away by the rising seas.
True, David. One could seriously ask if Florida’s growth is sustainable.
It is a more serious question: how much longer before you are honest, stop using a fake name and show integrity?
Nah, we didnt think youd know either
And they’re all coming to LA…Greeaaat! More ppl for this overpopulated city.
On a positive note, you can leave LA, and still be in CA…CA is such a large state, plenty of space, lots of smaller tons, still have all of bonuses of being in CA…weather, nature, etc.
I know someone who just moved to Paso Robles, wine county, in Central CA, and their rent is a fraction of what it cost in LA. It is beautiful there, lakes, nature, no traffic…much better than LA.
NYC millenials come to LA, LA millenials leave…
How old is the oldest millenial…38 yo? And the youngest is 23 yo. So, 22 yo old and younger is Gen Z/iGen. Hey…there should be some Gen Z coming into law school right about now.
Okay, so the older millenials are at a point where they want to, or are already having/starting a family of their own….
NYC isn’t exactly a good place to do that, neither is LA…the rent is just too damn high, and your down payment/mortgage would be through the roof…
you probably have some serious student loan debt…unless your Baby Boomer parents covered it, could afford it, or were willing to…each person case being different…
I’m guessing it’s a lot of millenials who are leaving, not necessarily wealthy folks….they aged out of the nightlife scene and are looking for something less chaotic…and affordable
STATES PAYING MOST IN FEDERAL TAXES
CA 227.5 (in billions)
NY 133.3
TX 117.5
FL ..92.8
NJ ..61.9
IL ..67.7
PN ..58.8
MA ..51.9
OH ..43.6
VA ..43.2
FEDERAL TAXES PAID BY STATE PER CAPITA
CT 10,279 (thousands per resident)
MA .9,445
NJ .8,811
NY .8,490
WA .7,493
CA .7,466
NH .7,284
MD .7,004
IL .6,836
CO .6,794
Source: MoneyRate.com “States Paying The Most Federal Taxes, 3/6/19
https://www.money-rates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm
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In this column Professor Turley creates the highly distorted impression that New York state has been leeching off Federal taxpayers. The truth is quite the opposite!
The upper chart indicates that New York, the 4th most populous state, sends more to the Federal Government than both Texas and Florida, the second and third most populous states. Texas actually has about 8 million more people than New York. Yet New York contributes $16 billion more in revenues. Florida has about 2 million more people than New York. But New York contributes $40.5 billion more than Florida. That $40 billion difference between New York and Florida is more than the totals of about 40 states.
Interestingly, the lower chart, ‘Federal Taxes Paid Per Capita’, shows that New York, plus neighbors Connecticut and New Jersey, rank in the Top 4 while close neighbor Massachusetts ranks second in that group.
So what? You dems love taking from the rich and yes, the rest of the country shouldn’t be subsidizing NY.
The rest of the country is subsidizing places like Louisiana and Wyoming, not NY.
Jim, with you it’s only the thought that counts. Never mind that New York pays more than Texas or Florida. It just ‘sounds right’ to say ‘New York is a mooch’.
I must have read a different article: Where did Prof. Turley “create the highly distorted impression that NY is leeching off federal taxpayers?”
What is curious is when wealthy Democrats flee higher taxes, and then promptly vote for politicians who will tax and spend in their refuge states. It’s kind of like they haven’t learned how to fix problems in their home state, so they export them and make them spread.
Karen S
Left Chicago many years ago and settled in Colorado.
A Chicago friend (who has consistently voted Democratic) has decided that Chicago has become unlivable; he is thinking about moving to Colorado to escape high taxes and corrupt governance, but he also intends to continue his voting patterns.
Good friend, but stupid.
No mention of income level of those leaving the state. At 277 a clip a day, I doubt that even a slim majority of those are making more than $175,000 a year. But let’s leave this distinction out of the article and arguments condemning the policies because it aids the narrative.
You know who’s not leaving? The same ultra-wealthy paying more in taxes. I’m sure they’d miss the nightlife of NYC in Hobunk, KY.
Ultra-wealthy just orchestrate their lives so as to prove they spend 60% of their time out of the state. (I know people who have 2 cell phones just for the purpose). Just sayin’
Why do politicians think they can threaten higher taxes, encourage homelessness, and discourage the police force, and there will be no consequences?
Higher taxes are pain and punishment. People who can avoid pain and punishment, do so.
Clearly, success is a crime in NY.
I say let the rich flee NY because they don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Let them go to Florida and face Hurricane Dorian and others like it. They deserve it. Now, if we could just get Trump to flee NY where he has cheated the state on his taxes for years! Maybe we could use his properties for low income housing.
One aspect of Leftism, as opposed to Classical Liberalism or moderate Democrats, is wishing physical harm upon those who disagree with their policies. That is not, generally, acceptable behavior, and yet it is growing more common today.
where he has cheated the state on his taxes for years!
Actually, one aspect of the contemporary corps of partisan Democrats is that they never stop lying.
NYC is well on its way to being the next Baltimore.
Wall Street will need a wall. And so too will de Blasio to protect his multi-million dollar net worth or he will soon be fleeing as well.
It’s a way’s away from that. For starters, the homicide rate would have to increase 8-fold.
This is absurd x XIII: “It’s a way’s [sic] away from that. For starters, the homicide rate would have to increase 8-fold.”
Harlem: “Hold my Mad Dog and crack pipe.”
You might try making sense once in a while.
Isn’t it amazing, in Hong Kong the residents are rioting after a few years of socialism, here the democrats think it’s the best thing since sliced break
And that is because they want to control everyone else, except themselves.
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Economically, the city of NY is in a steep financial spiral resulting from people with their own money leaving and being replaced by people who don’t have any money. How will they pay the taxes? How will they pay the rent? Actually, how will they pay for much of anything? These idiots like de blassio never think of that.
At the rate liberals/leftists/progressives/socialists are taking over the country, soon there will be no place left to run to. Our only hope is that they all turn on each other and destroy themselves.
Daniel…………..Fingers crossed!
The rest of us face a very bad problem: New Yorkies moving to our towns. Jeso. Turdy turd and a turd. 33rd Street and 3rd Avenue to Cherokee Street in NC. Someone needs to tell that person without papers (deBlasio) to lower taxes not raise them.
Better yet, tell them to move back to NY and suffer for the votes they gave to cause them to flee in the first place. I guess the Yorkies are simply too stupid to understand.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. And de Blasio thinks he should be running the country?
Just another example that these liberals NEVER think that about the consequences of spending other peoples money. If Trump wins reelection, the pied piper will be coming home to roost.
Most of my family has either left or is planning on leaving this once great state. It really sucks, since it is a wonderful place in upstate. But just like CA, the urban centers bring the rest of it down. Plus, it;s always great when you have a Governor who tell you he doesn’t want your kind living here.
I would almost try to stay and fight the good fight or weather the storm of Cuomo, but there are no term limits so when will this end?
Jim22…..I remember last autumn you and your wife had just renovated your house? but thought you might have to leave NY?
There is a special place in hell for those Dems “governing” your state. Best of luck to you.
Cindy,
Yes, you are correct. We still haven’t pulled the trigger but we have looked at NC. I’m not sure I can handle the humidity though. My sisters moved to Cape Cod. I just got back from vacationing there. Although MA is not much better, the Cape is a wonderful place but most likely to rich for me.
If we get reassessed after I put my blood and sweat into this house, it will make the decision much easier. But like Obama said, I didn’t do the work.
NY state suffers from long term problems not due to any specific political problems. The great lakes cities and smaller cities are experiencing typical rust belt decay, in the case of Rochester, the decline of early tech giants Xerox and Kodak have been devastating. In agriculture, small dairy farms had been the backbone, but they’ve been dying out or consolidating for over 50 years. NYC is the only vibrant city in the entire state, and changing the administration will not change that fact.
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Xerox and Bausch & Lomb are in passable shape. The decay of Kodak took place over a 30 year period and was sufficiently graduated for the local community to make the adjustment.
Not one of the counties in the Genesee Valley has an unemployment rate exceeding 5%. Some of the outlying counties have depressed employment-to-population ratios (0.52 – 0.59), but 70% of the Valley’s population lives in the counties whose labor markets are in satisfactory shape. Per capita personal income is < 5% off the national mean in the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties. There's been some low-grade demographic decline in the last decade, < 0.2% per year.
You have a couple of problems. One is mediocre public services given the cost. Another is exceedingly uninspired local political leadership, in Monroe County, especially. The restoration of public order in New York City had absolutely no effect on the thinking of any discernible element of the decision-making class in Rochester, so while the homicide rate in NYC declined by 82%, it remained flat the same in Rochester, 4x the mean for the City of New York. That is not an economic problem, but it is one element among others that makes the core city an unattractive place to which to relocate.
There is a national decline in violent crimes, including homicides which alarmists like to forget – Trump probably never knew it as he doesn’t pay attention to reality – but the decline in NYC came largely from increased rents which chased low income residents to the edges or out of the burroughs. People paying $2,000 a month for a 1 room efficiency aren’t usually stick up artists or junkies.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
TIA, there are sushi bars on Ave D and Bed-Stuy is a lonely island.
The national crime rate has declined significantly since the 1980s.
Trump pays not attention to facts.
You don’t know what you are talking about
PS I once lived on Ace D and 7th, and one block from Bed Stuy – took the Myrtle Ave El home. I know what I’m talking about.
Ave D
Anon1 – things change. Nice Call to Authority though.
Indeed Paul, my point exactly.
That is all clearly implied for anyone reading this thread.
I know what I’m talking about.
Anon1 – not unless you lived there yesterday.
For Paul C who is always asking for citations without supplying any himself:
When I lived on the Lower E side, I paid $86 a month and the street rats and junkies were free.
Here’s a cute article about a guy shopping for a condo in a tenement in the Lower E side now, with “maintenance” fees “in the low $800s” per month, plus almost $600k purchase price. :
“This one-bedroom had a unique layout. It started with a wide living area, and the rooms — kitchen, bedroom and bathroom — progressively narrowed toward the back. There was little closet space, but a basement storage cage was available for $400 a year.
There were exposed brick walls in every room.
This building also had a courtyard. The asking price was $585,000, with maintenance in the low $800s (per month).”
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/12/realestate/12hunt-landauer.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage
Is this a good enough cite?
Anon1 – I do not know if you intended to include a link, but there is not one here, so the cite fails.
When I lived on the Lower E side, I paid $86 a month and the street rats and junkies were free.
Was that before or after you ran the SNCC?
Paul, why don’t you knock off on biting ankles and talk about something you know about. Do you want to bet me on the changes on the Lower East Side and Brooklyn in the last decades?
Anon1 – looking for that citation
Paul, you can quote Anon1. I know what I’m taking about.
I’m not sure you know what the subject is.
Anon1 – still waiting for that citation.
Most places, the decline was tapped out 15 years ago, and in core cities it’s crucially dependent on local policy. Get a clue.
Passing laws on how small farms hve to pay overtime is not helping small farming.
Concrete floors in milking parlors was a big thing 50 years ago. Closed out some small timers.
The writer purposely omitted real reason people are leaving. High taxes (not the 10k limit), free tuition to illegals, illegals drivers license(means they vote), gun rules and etc. cuomo and Clinton lost the majority of NY geographically to their competitors. NYC decides elections – why – illegals!