Arizona Man Dies After Using Fish Tank Cleaner To Treat COVID-19

There has been legitimate criticism of some of the statements made by President Donald Trump during the coronavirus outbreak as overstated or inaccurate. However, there has also been a continuation of the type of “Gotcha” stories that seem to be so reflexive for many in the media. An example is the slew of recent articles on how an Arizona man died of taking the anti-malaria drug repeatedly raised by Trump as a potential treatment for COVID-19. Trump has discussed Chloroquine as a drug which has shown promising results, which is true, in other countries. Indeed, a variation, hydroxychloroquine, has shown remarkable success but still needs to be fully studied for safety. However, the Arizona stories omit that this elderly couple did not take prescriptions of either drug but rather home remedied with chloroquine phosphate used to clean fish tanks.

The Arizona couple were in their 60s and concerned about having COVID-19 symptoms. They read on the Internet that you could just use aquarium products to combat coronavirus. The New York Post and others posted the reference to fishtank cleaner. The dosage however was the equivalent to several days of treatment and the husband died shortly later. The wife is still being treated in Phoenix and remains in serious condition.

There is no question that drugs can lead to fatal overdoses as shown recently in Nigeria. This is a very powerful drug and there are clearly high risks as flagged by China and other countries. However, France has reported early success with the drug. One study recently published results in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents that found that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, sold under the trade name Plaqenuil, and antibiotic azithromycin (aka Zithromax or Azithrocin) is particularly effective in treating the COVID-19 coronavirus and reducing the duration of the virus in patients.

454 thoughts on “Arizona Man Dies After Using Fish Tank Cleaner To Treat COVID-19”

  1. Masks, Masks, Where Are the Masks?
    Ask Obama, the FDA, the CDC, and China.

    “While the Obama administration threw billions at assorted solar and wind boondoggles, it failed to invest the money that would have set up reliable mask production in the United States of America.”

    “Re the term Pandemic Task Force: “Had the Bush administration’s National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza been followed, there would be no mask shortage. And had the Obama administration at replaced the masks that it withdrew from the Strategic National Stockpile, we might have had 100 million or so masks in the stockpile.”

    “Until recently, the public had no problem buying N95 respirators for use in construction. These masks are certified by the CDC. Why is the CDC in the business of certifying industrial masks, you may wonder? Because, as discussed previously, the CDC does every possible thing except what people think it does. The component of the CDC that does this is the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.”

    “And had we brought mask manufacturing back to America, we would have a pipeline for making more.”

    “President Trump had warned us of the danger of our dependency on China’s Communist regime. The Democrats who denied that reality now act as if waving around a piece of legislative paper can make products spring forth out of thin air as long as the right orders are given and enough money is spent.”

    Regulations and globalism can help or hurt. We are seeing the pain of overregulation and globalism while our country has suddenly ceased most of its economic engine. Such over regulation and globalism wasn’t worth it.

    https://cms.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/03/masks-masks-where-are-masks-daniel-greenfield

    Worth the full read.

    1. Any decision about inventory would be made several layers distant from the President. It’s another data point, in case we needed one, that the CDC is an underperforming agency.

      1. Presidents, like any CEO are responsible for those below him and should have in place the organization and personnel to anticipate and address problems.

        Trump dissolved the pandemic task force Obama organized for this purpose.

        1. It’s hard to separate responsibilities and fault so I am not surprised at the difficulties you face in doing so which result in erroneous statements, however….

          “Re the term Pandemic Task Force: “Had the Bush administration’s National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza been followed, there would be no mask shortage. And had the Obama administration at replaced the masks that it withdrew from the Strategic National Stockpile, we might have had 100 million or so masks in the stockpile.” Obama did, however, fund his friends at Solyndra which went bankrupt.

      2. Absolutely, but Obama permitted regulations to thrive so that probably had something to do with shortages and he encouraged globalism. No President can be held accountable for everything that happens just because he is at the top.

    2. Trump has been president for 3 years.
      He ended the pandemic Task force Obama set up to anticipate and plan for events like this.
      Trump refuses to use the Defense Production Act to organize the manufacture and allocation of medical supplies, which at present are in short supply.
      3M manufactures masks in Mexico.

      1. He ended the pandemic Task force Obama set up to anticipate and plan for events like this.

        Yet another repetition of the latest false meme the Democratic media has been circulating.

      2. What did the pandemic task force do after the Ebola crisis was over. Did it make sure we restocked the Mask supply? No. What do we need? Masks.

        “Trump refuses to use the Defense Production Act”

        It’s been enacted but people can get better support with praise than with beating them over the head with a stick. I’ve been an employer my entire working life. I never tried to use the power I had because it doesn’t work out the way you fancy it does.

        However, I understand your position. In your heart you are a fascist and a socialist. Both depend on dictators.

    3. Anything, literally ANYTHING to pivot blame for Trump’s shortcomings onto Barak Obama. Here are some inconvenient facts: Trump’s been stinking up the White House for over 3 years, so he’s had plenty of time to ramp up production or importation of masks. He dismantled the pandemic rapid response team, which would have been on top of the mask shortage months. The masks from the stockpile that have been sent to hospitals are YEARS out of date, but are being used because they are better than nothing.

      1. Let’s break this down into digestible pieces.

        First, blame your friends at the Democratic Party for not giving this President the space to act. What little space he had yielded tremendous results and you can’t stand that even though those results benefit the American people. I wish Trump would have looked into the CDC and FDA with regard to masks. He did so with regard to vaccinations and our dependency on China. The latter has been promoted by Democrats for decades and by Obama. It’s hard to deal with every bit of data when the federal government is overly large and Democrats are trying to impeach you before you even sit down in the oval office.

        So yes, we can look and ask about masks since Obama had a hand in that:

        “Re the term Pandemic Task Force: “Had the Bush administration’s National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza been followed, there would be no mask shortage. And had the Obama administration at replaced the masks that it withdrew from the Strategic National Stockpile, we might have had 100 million or so masks in the stockpile.”

        “Until recently, the public had no problem buying N95 respirators for use in construction. These masks are certified by the CDC. Why is the CDC in the business of certifying industrial masks, you may wonder? Because, as discussed previously, the CDC does every possible thing except what people think it does. The component of the CDC that does this is the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.”

        “And had we brought mask manufacturing back to America, we would have a pipeline for making more.”

        Take note the President saw to it that masks were released and that a lot of things to fight Covid were deregulated. He was even doing that before the infection. You are all talk and so was Obama. President Trump has produced results on a scale that makes Obama look like a an undeveloped pigmy.

        https://cms.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/03/masks-masks-where-are-masks-daniel-greenfield

        Worth the full read.

        1. Democrats denied Trump “space to act”? What the hell are you talking about? When he wasn’t trying to alter NOAA charts, with his Sharpie firmly clutched in his tiny hand, he used it to roll back consumer, environmental and financial protections all of which will have adverse consequences for the future. He “yielded tremendous results?” Job growth was higher under Obama. The economy grew more under Kennedy, Obama and Jimmy Carter. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, rose more slowly under Trump than Obama. The GDR was the same as Obama. The recovery started by Obama flattened under Trump and we are now firmly in recession territory. Trump lies constantly about his alleged accomplishments, but one of his biggest failures is that his constant lying and grandstanding have produced a total lack of confidence by Americans for their government, not to mention the distrust our allies have and the lack of leadership in a worldwide crisis that other countries have come to expect from America. Trump has even politicized COVID-19. The US pulled out of the G-7 consensus statement because the other countries wouldn’t agree to rename COVID-19 the “Wuhan Virus”.

          As we speak, he is still trying to overturn Obamacare in the courts, which will kick 30 million people off of insurance. Despite the constant bluster and bragging, he has NO replacement health plan, much less one that is better.

          What has stopped Trump from revamping the CDC and FDA or from stockpiling more masks. gowns, gloves and respirators? We know he hasn’t done it because the masks that hospitals have been receiving expired years ago. Now you Trumpsters are trying to blame Obama for this. You appear to be trying to drum up sympathy for him, as if evil Democrats are responsible for his massive inability to lead, for his shortsightness and inability to bluff his way out of a life threatening crisis by calling it a “hoax”, false promises of a vaccine “very soon” and a “life changing” drug treatment that hasn’t been studied for COVID-19 or approved. The American people aren’t buying it.

          What “results” are you trying to claim this person “produced’?

          1. “Democrats denied Trump “space to act”? ”

            You and your crazy friends tried to remove him from office before he ever took it. While you were doing that he created an incredible economy and rebuilt our military. Simultaneously he tried to withdraw from places that did not pose an existential threat to America.

            I didn’t bother with more than the first two sentences only because you are unable to focus on any one item for longer than a second. That makes most of what you say garbage.

            1. The Mueller team was appointed before the Inauguration? Trump did cheat, with Russia’s help. Read the Mueller Report. That conduct cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. He refused to cooperate with the investigation into Russia and its associations with him, his finances and his campaign. He was NOT exonerated.

              “incredible economy”? Obama’s was better. What about now? “Rebuilt our military”? Who dismantled it? “withdraw from places that did not pose an existential threat to America”? Where have American troops actually been fully withdrawn?

              This is all Trump propaganda.

  2. Where in the world is John Durham? Most certainly not hot on the trail of the co-conspirators in the Obama Coup D’etat in America. Ironically, John Durham is busy protecting Obama’s attack dog, Adam Schiff, from idle threats. The Obama Coup D’etat in America, the most prodigious scandal in American political history, is just swept under the rug like the Flight 800 shootdown by the Navy on July 17, 1996, three months before the presidential election. The truth of the poor people on that plane got Arkancided to protect Bill Clinton’s re-election.
    _________

    “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    – Lord Acton

    1. This is a great article. I think I should have been a psych major, such interesting stuff

      I got a quote today on my cap, I’ll share here:

      Teach us to walk the soft Earth as relatives to all that live. 😁

      I think this rings true today in 2020.

      What do you think?

  3. I just saw that the governor of Nevada banned used of chloroquinine for treatment of coronavirus.
    I had to check to be sure I guessed right. Only a Democrat could be that stupid.
    Yes, he is a Democrat.

    Apparently he thinks that something approved for fish tanks is the same as an approved medication. How does the country survive with such idiots in place? And there are so many of them.

    1. “Apparently he thinks that something approved for fish tanks is the same as an approved medication.”

      Maybe it has something to do with the fact that people who need it for autoimmune disorders, etc. haven’t been able to get it and some of them aren’t able to afford it, now, when it is available. Do some research before you flap your gums, FFS.

      1. Anonymous: “Maybe it is has something to do with ….Do some research before…”

        Good advice. You should have done some research before posting.

        The nit wit governor did not express concern about other uses of the drug; he was attacking Trump for speaking up for a drug that he [the governor] erroneously thinks has not been approved for this virus.

        Even that is wrong.. If you had watched the news conferences you would know.. Anybody who needs it can get a prescription for that purpose with FDA approval which will be granted. That contact is only so that the FDA can keep better informed of results, Dr. Fauci said. You can take it if you need it.

        The drug has been available for decades, FDA approved, and physicians can prescribe it off label. That is done all the time with existing drugs.

        Fauci says he would prescribe it now for a patient suffering with Covid-19. It’s side effects are minimal. As the president said, what have you got to lose?

        If Democrats hadn’t been sending our industries off shore we would have lots of it on hand.

        One thing, until Trump came along I never truly appreciated the extent to which Dems and the Left in general can manage to whine about anything.

      1. Paint Chips, perhaps you can elucidate what the Governor was saying and why.

        Maybe there is a better explanation. We would all like to see it.

      2. totally incoherent? You mean none of those words were understandable to you? You have this unflattering habit of projecting your incompetence on others. Young referenced a statement by the governor, which is searchable, and then provided an opinion of that statement. Agree or disagree with the opinion, prove or disprove the governor’s statement. But for crying out loud, stop blaming others for your intellectual shortcomings.

      3. Seth Warner says: “Young, your comment here is totally incoherent.”

        My comment probably was difficult to follow for someone not fully up with what is going on. It was a bit abbreviated due to the time I had available.

        However,

        1. I was critical of the remark that the governor of Nevada ‘probably’ banned the drug because of….” In fact one can find the reason in a couple of clicks. He doesn’t like Trump and he thinks Trump is lying about the drug. Mostly it appears to be because he doesn’t like the president enough and he wants to deny the people of his state the opportunity to use a drug that might save some lives. Seems harsh, doesn’t it?

        2. The issue of FDA approval seems to have confused you. Fauci said the drug was not approved for treating this virus but explained that it could still be used with FDA blessing if doctors requested FDA approval. Approval would be granted because they want to track success or failure in the country. FDA approval is not legally required for ‘off label’ use.

        3. My comment about ‘off label’ use seems to have been incoherent to you. If a drug has gone through the extensive, and usually double-blind, testing required by the FDA it will be approved for a specific condition and the manufacturer can market it for that purpose. Sometimes drugs approved for one purpose are found in the field to also be effective for other conditions. That is called ‘off label’ use and a doctor can prescribe ‘off label’ without FDA intervention. WEB MD says “The next time your doctor writes you a prescription, consider this: The medication may not be approved for your specific condition or age group. The practice, called “off-label” prescribing, is entirely legal and very common. More than one in five outpatient prescriptions written in the U.S. are for off-label therapies.”

        In other words, about 20% of all prescriptions written in America are “off label” and it is perfectly legal.

        There can be concern about off label use [and even on label] with a new drug with side effects not fully known. That is not the case with chloroquine. It has been around for decades and has no very nasty surprises.

        When Trump said “What can you lose?” with respect to taking this drug he was saying there are many indications that it may save lives and, since it is not inherently dangerous’ why not take it if you are sick. It might help and it is very unlikely to hurt.

        The final word on that should be by Dr. Fauci. Even though its use for this disease is off label, he says he would prescribe it now for a patient of his suffering from covid-19.

        I thought everyone got these points in my first comment which I tried to keep brief. But a certain foundation of information might be needed for it to have been completely clear.

        1. This is from Young’s first comment:

          “Only a Democrat could be that stupid.
          Yes, he is a Democrat.
          Apparently he thinks that something approved for fish tanks is the same as an approved medication. How does the country survive with such idiots in place? And there are so many of them.”

          …and then this:

          “1. I was critical of the remark that the governor of Nevada ‘probably’ banned the drug because of….” In fact one can find the reason in a couple of clicks. He doesn’t like Trump and he thinks Trump is lying about the drug. Mostly it appears to be because he doesn’t like the president enough and he wants to deny the people of his state the opportunity to use a drug that might save some lives. Seems harsh, doesn’t it?”

          What nonsense.

          About the situation in Nevada:

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/us/malaria-drugs-nevada-trnd/index.html

          Excerpt:

          “While these drugs serve necessary medical purposes, this regulation protects the Nevadans who need them and prevents unnecessary hoarding,” Sisolak wrote on Twitter.

          The regulation bans the prescription of the drugs to treat Covid-19. However, in a follow-up tweet, Sisolak noted that the emergency regulation does not apply to doctors who order the drugs for coronavirus treatment in an inpatient setting.

          “In other words, if a doctor in a hospital or emergency room setting wants to prescribe these drugs to treat a patient diagnosed with COVID-19, he or she is still free to do so,” Sisolak tweeted.

          If the medications are prescribed by a doctor for outpatient use, a code will be tagged on the drugs which will limit users to a 30-day supply only, according to a statement from Sisolak.

          1. Anonymous said: ‘However, in a follow-up tweet, Sisolak noted that the emergency regulation does not apply to doctors who order the drugs for coronavirus treatment in an inpatient setting.”

            ‘Follow-up” says it all. I wondered how long the $hit storm coming at him would last before he amended his original statement. He took two tweets and lord knows what else to crawl down from the stake he impaled himself on.

            Here is how the AP reported the first order:

            “Sisolak signed an emergency order earlier Tuesday barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus. The order restricting chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine came after President Donald Trump touted the medication as a treatment and falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration had just approved the use of chloroquine to treat patients infected with coronavirus. Sisolak said in a statement that there’s no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19”

            Nothing about the dangers of hoarding, etc. It is pure political. He wanted to poke Trump in the eye and instead he got a pole up the behind when the storm of protests flooded in..

            He is an idiot.

            As for Democrats being stupid, just listen to Biden for a little while. How about Hank Johnson who fears that Guam will tip over and who apologized on the House floor for saying ‘midget’. How about Shirley Jackson Lee who wanted a print of the photo of US Astronauts saluting the flag on Mars. [I hope I don’t have to explain that to you]. How about Obama thinking he had been to 57 states and had three more to go, or pronouncing ‘corps’ as ‘corpse’ multiple times, or saying he didn’t speak ‘Austrian’ [the language there is German] or for mixing up the attack on Pearl Harbor with the bombing of Hiroshima, and on and on and on. Look at the horrible state of Democrat run cities. One need not go far to find examples of stupidity, and they keep coughing them up every day.

            1. “The governor signed the emergency regulation Tuesday on the recommendation of the state Board of Pharmacy.” -from the following linked article

              https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/sisolak-signs-restriction-order-for-2-drugs-1990149/

              “CARSON CITY — Gov. Steve Sisolak has signed an emergency measure to safeguard the threatened supply of two drugs being hoarded for possible use in the treatment of COVID-19.

              The governor signed the emergency regulation Tuesday on the recommendation of the state Board of Pharmacy.”

              1. Nevada State Board of Pharmacy:

                http://bop.nv.gov/

                COVID-19 Response Efforts

                The Nevada State Board of Pharmacy is committed to protecting the health and safety of Nevadans during the COVID-19 outbreak. The Board posted a document on its website that provides COVID-19 guidance and response efforts, including the issuance of waivers to assist licensees in addressing operational needs. This document will be updated regularly and can be accessed by visiting: COVID-19 Information

                For more information on the state’s efforts to address coronavirus, visit http://www.nvhealthresponse.nv.gov.

                1. “Pharmacist or doctor? Who knows more about drugs?”

                  https://medcitynews.com/2010/06/pharmacist-or-doctor-who-knows-more-about-drugs/

                  Excerpt:

                  Physicians: When doctors write a prescription they usually whip out the pad, write out the scrip and hand it to you. Next time ask them to share a little bit of their thought process. Why did they choose that drug? What else did they consider? What would their second choice have been? A discussion can be useful: maybe there’s some other information you want to provide, maybe your doctor just prescribes whatever the drug rep recommends

                  Pharmacists: Pharmacists are the most underutilized health professionals. They go to school for six years and then mainly hide in the back of the pharmacy counting pills. But pharmacists generally know a lot more about drugs than doctors. Plus they’re available in convenient locations and at convenient times. You don’t need an appointment and don’t have to pay. Pharmacists are loathe to second guess doctors, but get to know one and you’ll find they are a great source of information and will even give you their professional opinion on whether you are on the right drug(s). Newer grads carry PDAs with advanced databases on them; every CVS, Walgreen’s and other chain pharmacist can call up a variety of drug information on their in-store terminal

                  1. My spouse is a doctor and my daughter is a pharmacist. Their knowledge is scaled to address different situations. You should understand that about both professions. Your comment is a flailing nonsequitur.

                    That thing I was saying about Democrats being stupid….

                    1. Thank god for people like you, then — the “smart” people with all the right answers.

                    2. “Your comment is a flailing nonsequitur.”

                      Only to Young and her ilk — which is to say, those who have difficultly following and connecting dots.

                      Which brings us back to Young’s first comment which, as Seth said:

                      “Young, your comment here is totally incoherent.”

                      Yep. Pretty much.

                      (Judging by her comments, Young is the Republican version of the Dems she decries.)

                  2. By the way, the governor of Nevada has no medical training. He was a businessman who sold coffee cups and the like before becoming a politician.

                    No wonder he sounds and acts like an idiot on these issues. When I want a new coffee cup maybe I will call.

                    1. “By the way, the governor of Nevada has no medical training…”

                      Nor does Trump.

                      “…he sounds… like an idiot…”

                      Kind of like Young, in the comment that started this back and forth:

                      Young says:March 24, 2020 at 10:18 PM

                      “I just saw that the governor of Nevada banned used of chloroquinine for treatment of coronavirus.
                      I had to check to be sure I guessed right. Only a Democrat could be that stupid.
                      Yes, he is a Democrat.

                      “Apparently he thinks that something approved for fish tanks is the same as an approved medication. How does the country survive with such idiots in place? And there are so many of them.”

        2. When a drug is tested for one condition and found to be safe, that does not mean that it is safe for another condition. That’s just as to safety, not to mention efficacy. A drug must be both safe and effective for a given condition. Being actively infected with COVID-19 means that the patient might be experiencing a cytokine storm, a condition in which the patient’s immune system goes into overdrive, causing a massive inflammatory response, which could make the patient more vulnerable to harm because their immune system is being challenged. Drugs themselves can cause this reaction. There is no scientifically-reliable evidence that chloroquine is safe or effective for use with patients with acute COVID-19 infection. and for Trump to offer false hope that it is or even could be safe and effective, is beyond ignorant–it is immoral. We know that he is solely motivated to lie about there being hope for a drug treatment because the economy is tanking and the election is coming up. That Trump is a pathological liar was proven again yesterday when he claimed that the US has done more testing than S. Korea. Raw numbers wise, that is correct, but massively incorrect when you look at the number of tests proportionate to the population. We are way behind in the number of tests per million. Another lie to try to make him look good. Did Dr. Fauci actually say that he was recommending that physicians use chloroquine for COVID-19? No.

          As was explained previously, doctors do not have first-hand personal knowledge about the risks, side-effects, efficacy and other properties of a drug other than what they obtain from the FDA or get from medical journals. It will take a proper study to determine whether chloroquine is both safe and effective for COVID-19. When a drug is administered to someone for a condition for which it has not been approved, there is risk involved. How much risk is unknown, but it is not safe to assume that a drug that has shown to be safe and effective for malaria will also be safe and effective for infection with another pathogen. You cannot legitimately say there can be no “nasty surprises”. Politics shouldn’t play a role in medical decision-making.

          1. And in a somewhat horrifying reality, doctors often rely in way totally out of proportion, on the knowledge of pharmaceutical sales people. Many of these people are knowledgeable and responsible (my cousin is one and she’s got graduate degrees in chemistry and biology) but really? Relying on the salespeople? Even that’s going over the line.

            More good science equals better safety and efficacy. Rushed science very often leads to unintended, catastrophic, consequences.

            1. And in a somewhat horrifying reality, doctors often rely in way totally out of proportion, on the knowledge of pharmaceutical sales people

              Says the man who doesn’t know medical practice from tiddlywinks.

              1. I know. Working in a doctor’s office, a nursing home, a drug rehab and a Yale research lab did absolutely nothing for me.

            2. I have been with doctors at drug rep presentations. It is not at all what you think. Nobody relies on sales reps to make medical decisions.

              Just looked at the comment by This is Absurd and agree with the sentiment.

              1. By the way, drug reps are not allowed to promote a drug for any off label use. Sometimes a doctor will ask about an accepted off label use and the drug rep will say, “Well, I can’t say that, but you can say what you think. I can only address approved uses.” Heard it myself.

              2. Glad those drug rep presentations at conferences clued you in to everything in the realm of possibility. However…

                Back in reality and away from the dog and pony shows, my cousin is an area drug rep for J and J working out of Atlanta, covering everything from Florida to Chicago, even ventures into Texas. I’ve personally been with her when a doctor calls in crisis to get her two cents on a particular drug. Not only does this happen, a doctor would be crazy to not include a high level rep in on the discussion. The rep has the closest access to the actual clinical trials than anyone they’d be able to talk to.

                And for what it’s worth, Absurd, while having a refined and sharp tongue always, is often quite short on functional information as it manifests on the ground.

          2. You’ve been peddling the notion that Trump is to blame for the extreme foolishness of a pair of people in Arizona who drank fish-tank cleaner. . There’s a reason no one takes you seriously, or should.

          3. “Politics shouldn’t play a role in medical decision-making.”

            That is exactly what you and Democrats are doing. You loaded the blog with BS not that certain factors don’t have a bit of truth rather you created garbage of them. The problem with using these drugs on patients with Covid is not that much difference than off label use in the regular management of disease by physicians.

            You would rather see people die than run the very low risk under medical supervision and observation that might save a lot of people’s lives. The only reason you don’t care about other people’s lives is wrapped up in your warped politicalization of what is happening today. It is sickening.

          4. About 20% of the prescriptions in the country are off label, that is to treat conditions not included in the original approval. It is legal and particularly safe when the drug has been available for decades.

            I suspect that most of the people ranting here about chlorquinine will be begging for it if they get sick.

    2. ‘The American Society of Health-System Pharmacists soon reported a shortage of HCQ. By Sunday, at least four state pharmacy boards—in Idaho, Ohio, Nevada, and Texas—had restricted prescriptions. (The list has now grown to include Kentucky, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.) At least one board also restricted azithromycin. Katherine Rowland, a pharmacist in Eugene, Oregon, tweeted, “Well it finally happened to me. A dentist just tried to call in scripts for hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin for himself, his wife, & another couple (friends). nope. I have patients with lupus that have been on HCQ for years and now can’t get it because it’s on backorder.” ‘ -New Yorker article, linked below.

      So the states that have now “restricted prescriptions” include Idaho, Ohio, Nevada, Ohio, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina and Oklahoma — with a mix of Republican and Democratic governors.

      By Young’s logic, they’re all “idiots.”

      https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trumps-dangerous-messaging-about-a-possible-coronavirus-treatment

      1. A Z-pack didn’t work for me, but Doxycycline did, but I coughed for 4 months thereafter, and still suffer from a cough, it’s just not as bad. But that could have just been the nasty flu ever…idk.

        If at home, lock yourself in the bathroom, don’t turn the vent on, sit on the shower floor, and steam the room into a sauna. Bone brother soup, boil the chicken bones down…turmeric shots, eating garlic raw (which is nasty, just choke it down, chew fast, but seems to help).

        1. Had something really bad last June. Totally swear by steaming, both in the shower and by steaming an herbal formula, hanging a towel over the head and breathing for at least 10 minutes a session. Raw garlic. Echinacea tincture in glycerin every couple hours. A personalized herbal tea formula on top of that. Drank it throughout the day. Tylenol PM to knock your ass out at night.

          Hadn’t had a cold in years. And this one began like they say Covid does…, totally skipped the head and throat beginnings, went right for my chest. Coughed so hard and so long for like a week my chest and ribs hurt like hell. Probably came out the other end about two weeks beginning to end. Freaky stuff.

    1. David, every argument Absurd makes is disengenous and laced with cynicism. I have never seen him make a case that sounded truly sincere. But in all fairness to Absurd, most of the Trumpers on this blog are not too different. One has to be inherently cynical to believe in Donald Trump.

      1. I think clinical is a better term; there has to be a psychiatric condition for this level of willful ignorance.

      2. Seth:

        “every argument Absurd makes is disengenous and laced with cynicism. I have never seen him make a case that sounded truly sincere.”
        *********************
        You’ve never challenged TIA on any of his facts so how would you possibly know if his arguments are sound or not. He’s not cynical. He’s simply using ridicule which is the appropriate response to preposterous allegations of the Marxist Left.

        1. Mespo, if you think I’m the ‘Marxist Left’ you never met a Bernie Bro. Which is hard to believe. None have crossed your path?

          Numerous Bernie Bros have accused me of being ‘Republican’. Bernie Bros use that on Democrats who flunk The Purity Test. They call you a ‘Republican’ like you’ve got no business in the Sanderfied Democratic Party. Then they wonder why Democrats want nothing to do with Bernie!

          So Mespo when you mistake ‘me’ for the ‘Marxist Left’ it’s like you’re partially blind guy stumbling into a planter.

          1. Paint Chips, you don’t know enough to be considered part of the Marxist Left intelligentsia. You are a bundle of disconnected ideas and thoughts that lead everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

            1. Disagree. His attitudes and tropes are quite familiar. Nothing to do with Marxism, a great deal to do with ordinary liberal magazine discourse ca. 1979. Arthur Schlesinger, not Marx.

              1. DSS, did my comment say Paint Chips was a Marxist or anything close? Quite the contrary. Instead I said he was “a bundle of disconnected ideas and thoughts that lead everywhere and nowhere at the same time.”

              2. Absurd, I’m well-aware the late 70’s were not a high water mark for the Democratic Party. ‘I’, fact was a Republican then. I didnt become a Democrat until two days after Bush Senior named Dan Quayle as running mate. His youthful preppie looks couldn’t disguise the fact that Quayle was a privileged dunce.

              3. I was thinking Seth might be some teen paid to scroll through and post a small list of ad hominem snarky remarks with no real substance behind the online persona.

                Nothing really there judging by appearances.

            2. Nowhere Man
              The Beatles

              He’s a real nowhere man
              Sitting in his nowhere land
              Making all his nowhere plans for nobody

  4. As a friendly reminder to everyone, the names of things and the quantities of things consumed matter. For example, many of you have, no doubt, observed that wine, beer, and other alcoholic beverages contain “alcohol.” But please be aware that “isopropyl alcohol” is different and should never be consumed orally, even though it has the name “alcohol” in it. Similarly, some natural food eaters may be tempted to eat “organic pesticides” because it has the word “organic” in its name. Don’t do it. It still contains pesticides. Okay? Thanks.

  5. Hmmm, they got the info online. Serves them right. These idiots need an Irish Poem:

    Tanks For The Memories???
    An Irish Poem by Squeeky Fromm

    Some Loonies from Phoenix got had!
    The advice on the ‘Net, it was bad.
    I guess that their wish,
    “Since its good for the fish. . .”
    “It’s good for us too!” turned out sad—

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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