Massachusetts Authorities Search For Shopper Who Sprayed Walmart Cashier In Eyes With Lysol

It always seems that crisis brings out the best and worst in people. It does not really change people. It tends to magnify what is good and what is bad. This is a story of the latter. Police are looking for his woman after she allegedly sprayed a Walmart cashier in the eyes with Lysol after being told that there was a limit on the number of cans that could be purchased during the pandemic. Police in Leicester put out this picture for the woman who could find herself in the can instead.

Police in Florida arrested Stephen Fanelli after he allegedly assault a cashier clerk at a Dollar Tree after she chided him for cutting the line and not respecting social distancing.

Police say that the Massachusetts assault took place at the Walmart Supercenter in Leicester on March 27 after the cashier simply informed the shopper of the store limit. She then reportedly got into an Uber, which should make it easier for police to track her.

There is still a great deal of pandemic shopping going on. My wife went to the store last week when the store restocked toilet paper. A woman ran up and filled her cart with all of the stocked paper. An elderly lady asked if she really needed all of the toilet paper and that for elderly people it was difficult to get such essentials. The woman simply said she was buying for neighbors and took off.

One of the most disturbing and weirdly fascinating aspects of this pandemic is the continued shortage of toilet paper and things like bottled water. The fact of the shortage has fueled the continued pandemic shopping. If people would relax briefly, the shelves would again be full and a steady supply would resume. However, it is the panic shopping of others that is leading others to panic shop. At least bank runs are based on an understandable fear of losing one’s money. This is one product picked almost randomly and arbitrarily for a panic shopping spree.

The water is bizarre. There is no suggestion of contamination of the water supply. Yet, people are rushing to buy water like we have cholera outbreak.

Few people however respond to a limit on lysol with a criminal battery.

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  1. TIN, I won’t simply accept your word for the northward spread of DNA from North Africa. Which, bytes the way, isn’t “Arab”.

    Cite, better link, competent references.


    1. David – I’m not going to do a research project for you. If you’re interested, you can simply type in “Muslim conquest of Sicily” (or Balkans) on Google. There are a myriad of sources, ranging from Wikipedia which discusses the Muslim conquest of Sicily (from June 827, to the 11th century), to more scholarly treatises on the subject. And if you’ve never heard of the Muslim conquest of Central Europe, I really don’t know what to tell you….

    1. Mark Felton has the best historical videos

      I will tell you something about the music which starts that clip….that little song, is a rearrangement of a French foreign legion song La Legion Marche Vers Le Front
      which is one of the regimental ballads, 2nd Foreign Parachute Regiment

      however, that regiment itself, was much composed of former Waffen SS veterans from the Charlemagne Brigade. who after the war, not surprisingly, regrouped inside the French Foreign Legion

      that song, moreover, is a rearrangment of the song, Marschiert in Feindesland (“Devil’s Song”)
      … which was a Condor legion song before that.

      Felton is very clever, it is a “triple entendre” for those kinds of military history buffs who can notice such things

      (the third layer of cleverness was using it in relation to an English “Devi’s own”)

        1. Paul

          You said a while ago that you had 2 brothers who died from AIDS. Do you recall what medications, if any, they were given? I’m presuming they were prescribed AZT (azidothymidine), a drug that was used at extremely high dosages that caused severe toxicities. AZT remains on the market today for HIV and is used in various “cocktail” drugs because it is very unique: it has an affinity for the virus that is very strong without it harming the patient’s own DNA.

          I wasn’t a physician during the outbreak of AIDS but do recall that the FDA was pushed by AIDS activists to bring something to market. So it is interesting 3+ decades later that some Democrats oppose the cautious use of a drug like Chloroquine for COVID-19 considering it has been on the market for decades, while AZT was downright toxic at the time it was brought to market.

          1. Estovir – I am not sure what drugs my brothers were taking. It was right at the start of the outbreak of the AIDS crisis in SF. They hadn’t even closed down the bathhouses yet. I know the medications made them very sick and when we went out to eat they were prone to eating soup.

          2. If Cuomo had suggested chloroquine first the media would be praising it around the clock.

            Trump suggested it so it must be horrible.

            I wonder if CNN talking heads, Cuomo and Brooke Baldwin, are secretly begging for the drug now they are sick?

            If so and it saves their lives they aren’t gracious enough to thank Trump for hurrying availability along.

    2. Squeeky, fascinating video.

      I watched it. Can I just say when King George III said, “the devil’s own,” just burst out laughing…had to rewind.

  2. Squeeky Fromm, it is not genetic.

    Consider southern Italy and the continued problem of the Mafia gangs, from Naples south.

    Or the violence in Chechnya, barely supressed.

    Or …


    1. David: There is a fairly significant amount of North African (Arab) DNA in Sicily and the Balkans, due to centuries of Muslim occupation.

  3. A DEMOCRAT state representative in Michigan, Karen Whitsett, thanked President Trump for saving her life by recommending hydroxychloroqine. She does not think she would have gotten it without him.

  4. Hey, give credit to Turley – he does manage to get the most outrageous news out there and get it front and center on his blog, especially those with black folks- unless of course it concerns Clintons – when even an unusual itching deserves 3 blog entries and 5 columns.

    Now consider this for outrageous –

    Color-coded (they knew who they were leaving WH t ) pandemic playbook that Obama’s team left behind. Trump sat on it, just like he did for 70 days before all hell break loose. Now, THAT is outrageous.

  5. I ranted a bit earlier, 👊, I put it out there, earlier, some judge in Ohio, giving ppl alternative punishments for misdemeanors.

    Some woman pepper-sprayed a Burger King employee in the face, over a nothing burger.

    I also believe most ppl besides greed and violence suffer from levels of impulsive behavior, which is suppressed and restrain with a good upbringing. You are taught and you learn to be civil and live in civil society from a very young age. A poor upbringing leads to problems later in life, like a lack of impulse control.

    Can we just all agree:

    “A few rotten apples spoiled the whole bunch.”

    Prof JT alluded to the best and worst of people come out in times of crisis. I cannot agree more.

    1. Hey, maybe those plastic dividers for grocery cashiers that won’t help with CV19, can helpp with the cashiers being attacked…learn to duck and dive, few extra seconds.

  6. I was surprised the Lockdown didn’t hit Virginia earlier, I’ve been keeping tabs of the State of Virginia since I left…with the gov’t, both local and state, respectively.

    I had a laugh about the lady filling her whole cart up with TP, and saying it was for her neighbors. 😆 Lol.

    Have they not done the limiting yet in Virginia? Here, in CA, it’s 1 per person.

    When the Lockdown started, it was a madhouse at Costco, just insanity. 6 giant things of TP, Paper Towels, or should I say Paper Towers?

    I laughed at ppl stock piling up, like what a bunch of fear-based sheeple. But the jokes on me in the end, bc guess who ran out of TP? 😐🤐😧😣

    And now, bc I did not stockpile it, I have to battle for it, or stock Targets and Walmarts in a more rural area outside of LA.

    So, last time I went to Costco, outside of LA, Ventura County, my old stomping grounds, I loaded up, 2 giant things of water, Gatorade, you name it.

    If ppl want respect, then you have to get in the mindset too. Everyone else is doing its mindset. Not fear. For some, fear, sure; for others, if you can’t beat em, join em.

    1. gatorade is a good pandemic buy, it has a lot of potassium, good for keeping hydrated if you come down with it, avoid heart problems

    1. When I read the headline, I knew it was going to be a black female. They’re the ones ripping up a McDonalds because their fast food wasn’t prepared fast enough. I think they must have higher testosterone levels than other females, because we see them committing irrational acts of violence on a daily basis. I think it’s a combination of low IQ and testosterone. Check out the Daily Mail and you can see the same behavior in England, so it’s nothing to do with the black American sub-culture; it’s in the DNA.

      1. I don’t know if it is DNA or culture or something else, but it is a problem Progressives prefer to ignore or blame on whites. Like you, I thought the same when I saw the headline. I am surprised when rarely, this type of conduct is done by someone else.

        A few years ago the NJ troopers were accused of racism for ticketing so many blacks. There was the usual b.s. and apologies and diversity training. Then speed cameras were installed and speed cameras were as racist as the troopers. No way to send an automated camera for sensitivity training. Something similar happened in the UK. Same thing about cops being racist and then cameras produced the same ratio of tickets.

        Racism isn’t the problem.

      2. So, off shooting, here.

        I’ve driven the 40 across the country a few times, and when on the road, you eat the most awful food.

        Pretty much McDonalds, 3 times a day, if you’re on a mission, and not on vacay. I’ve never done the drive for vacay reasons. Like to get out of the car, stretch my legs. I tend to eat inside the Mickey Ds.

        Every single trip, there is guaranteed someone screaming about their Mcdonald’s food. And it’s not always a black person. Most of the time it been a white woman with kids.

        I don’t believe in my heart it comes down to race or DNA. I think anyone who is pushed enough, can just explode.

        It’s high-stress levels, and life problems. The reality is if you have enough of either of those, and add on a group of kids too, just Kaboom.

        Of course, these are life choices ppl make, so they get themselves into hot messes.

        But then the aspect of inflation on goods, and the salary not keeping up. No one ever blames the CEOs and Executives, or maybe they do, IDK; but it’s like their 10 million bonus at the end of the year, while cutting jobs, so shareholders can profit, unnecessary.

        These are theories, I’m not saying anyone theory is better than another. It’s just what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes.

        And George talks about it all the time, its Greed. Ppl are greedy, and ppl are violent.

        Both greed and violence are instinctual traits. Hoarding resources and taking by force. We may be civilized and removed from yesteryear, but the underlying mind still exists.

        1. And my only proof of greed and violence, I look to other countries, in the non-developed world. It seems every time they are given money by the Global Financial System of loans…which is a scam, in and of, itself, but I will not go into that here…

          ….You will see these leaders use it for houses, cars, celebrity parties….and the money to help the People, Poof! gone.

          But wait a sec, I thought you were going to help your country with infrastructure and development….hehe, Whoops! Yeah, about that…I saw Scrooge McDuck swimming in his bank vault filled with money and I just couldn’t resist a swim.

          1. A pike dive and then a backstroke through the gold coins. 🎩😉. Never lost his top hat in the Bullion.

      3. Tommy Sotomayor is always complaining about black women and how masculine-ish they are. He says that is why it is so easy for black men to pass as women, because you often can not tell the difference. Particularly if they have a good wig.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        1. Squeaky – I’ve seen a fewTommy Sotomayor videos on YouTube, where he shows violent out-of-control black women in all their disgusting glory. And to be fair, the ones he shows are the bottom of the trash heap. They don’t represent all black women, but certainly enough to perpetuate a stereotype, and also make people wonder what causes this. For me, the off-the-charts stats on black criminality have led me to believe it’s in the African DNA; a deadly combination of lower than average IQ and higher than average testosterone in both males and females. If you have even scant knowledge of what’s going on with the African population in Europe – primarily England, Germany and Scandinavia, the behavior is remarkably similar to that of blacks in the U.S. So it’s not a result of culture, history or lack of a daddy in the home. It’s just how they are, no matter where they are, and that leads back to African DNA.

          1. TIN – Do you think it is poverty and seeing violence at a young age? Would a White or Asian or Indian, who is impoverished and seen a lot of violence at the same way?

            It’s hard for me to believe someone comes out of a womb inherently violent.

            There must be environmental and cultural and yes, genetics, to trigger a young child. What is the turning point?

            1. Anonymous -There are far more whites in poverty in the U.S. than blacks. And the odds are certainly stacked against them. They may grow up to be opioid addicts or work at minimum wage jobs. But no, they don’t engage in massively, statistically disproportionate numbers of violent crime. And if you’ve ever been to Asian countries, the poverty can be indescribable, but again, you don’t see them engaging in “the knockout game,” or attacking elderly Hasidic Jews or beating old Asian women or basically acting like completely uncivilized brutes. There is no other race, anywhere on earth, under any other culture or nationally, that thinks beating or physically attacking someone else is the appropriate response to frustration or disagreement. My cat bites when he is frustrated or angry, but you expect that in an animal…

          2. I don’t know what is the basis of it. I do not discount it being DNA. I mean, different breeds of dog have different characteristics so why not people? There are tons of black people where I live and I have come in contact with a lot at work. Some are just regular human beings and I have no problem with them whatsoever. But about half or so are just plain rotten. They are uncivilized, stupid, violent, belligerent etc. I think one factor is that a lot of white people and black people want to keep pulling the scab off problems that black people have had. Sooo, with whatever DNA is in the mix you also have a ton of resentment that is constantly being mixed in.

            So, some black woman who pops out 3 illegitimate kids and ends up broke, blames white people, the system, the Civil War, etc. for what was her own lousy choices.

            Like I have pointed out to Enigma numerous times, Japs and Germans had their entire countries bombed to dust, but had functioning societies with 15 to 20 years after the war ended. The Jews were darn near eliminated and within 5 years they had a country and had won a war.

            Yet American Blacks have been 150 years since the Civil War, and 55 years since the Civil Rights legislation and here they are with a 77.3% illegitimate birth rate and half of them as stupid as a bag of hammers. Not to mention violent.

            So this was a big change from as recent as 1965 before the Great Society crap, so how much of this is the fault of the Great Society programs???

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

            1. The average IQ for blacks in the US is about 85, lower in Africa. So about half the black population is 85 or less. That doesn’t amount to a lot of wattage. One could expect difficulties in a complex society.

  7. The Hill has an article and video of Governor Cuomo saying that chlorquinine is reportedly producing good results in New York hospitals now.

    Of course the drug has not gone through rigorous double-blind studies yet but the people gasping for breath today may not want to wait for those studies to be completed. Could end up buried in a New York park before those results come in.

  8. I found it interesting that one of my local stores was out of: peanut butter, toilet paper, and Liquid Plumber. It’s easy to connect those dots, but still…

  9. Turley says that people panic about the lack of availability of toilet paper, and that causes other people to panic, too, so you now have an actual shortage. It’s not that simple. People also stock up on bottled water, when there’s no evidence that municipal water supplies could contain COVID-19 and no reason to believe that municipal water treatment facilities are going to fail.

    If you watch “The Walking Dead”, you know that this story is based on a worldwide pandemic of a virus for which most people have little immunity, so the cerebral cortex of victims’ brains die, but the most-primitive parts remain, leaving the victims with no reason, communication abilities or other indicia of humanity, so they attack and eat the living. Those who do have immunity survive, but they are small in number and must compete with other survivors for control of food and water. There is no army, no police, municipal water treatment facilities fail, as does the electrical grid, food production, oil refineries, etc.. Survivors have to figure out how to get their own food and purify water while fighting off others who’ll try to take away what they have. This is a popular show, and but for the zombie aspect, it’s not too far-fetched to believe that a worldwide pandemic could kill off enough people that we wouldn’t have a sufficient number left to keep the electrical grid and municipal water treatment facilities working, much less an army, police force or food production facilities.

    IMHO, what drives these panic buying sprees is lack of trust in the federal government, and Trump in particular. Here you have a worldwide pandemic of a novel virus that is 10X more virulent than seasonal flu which the U.S. was not prepared to handle. Then you have Trump who ignored the briefings about the emergence of this disease, which he was told about in early January. He has constantly lied about the severity, about the imminence of a vaccine and drug treatment. He won’t allow the CDC to flat-out state that the whole country needs to shut down until things get under better control and we have a clear picture as to where things are going. He keeps pushing to reopen schools, businesses, etc. even though the U.S. hasn’t peaked yet. Even when we do, that does not mean that we go back to where we were

    He insists on insinuating himself into news conferences for the free campaign publicity, where he airs his grievances and brags about the “good job” he is doing, and won’t allow CDC doctors to answer questions unless he is there to control what they say. Just yesterday, after again touting hydrochloroquine as a possible treatment, he refused to let Dr. Fauci to respond about whether it is considered safe or effective for this virus. Dr. Fauci has contradicted Trump before, so now Navarro, who is not a physician nor does he have any expertise in immunology or infectious diseases, gets into a pissing contest with Dr. Fauci, claiming that “doctors disagree all of the time”. There is no dispute that there has never been a randomized, double-blind controlled study of the effectiveness of hydrochloroquine for COVID-19, and because it is a novel organism, how could there be? The entire dispute is all about trying to create a truth out of the lie told by Trumpy Bear when he claimed that hydrochloroquine is a “possible game-changer”. Thanks to this lie, people who need the drug for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, two conditions for which it is effective, find that there is a national shortage, their prescriptions can’t be filled, the drug is on indefinite back order, and their rheumatologists are scrambling to find something else to ease their suffering.

    People hear the POTUS claiming COVID-19 is a “hoax”, lying that 15 cases would soon be 0 cases, telling people that anyone who wants a test can get a test, and pushing for a drug that is untested for this condition, and they panic. They hear him try to pivot blame onto the states for the lack of ventilators and PPE, and Jared saying that the stockpile ventilators are “ours”. So, when a journalist tries to ask who is the “ours”, she gets told off by Trumpy Bear for asking a “gotcha” question.. There is no coordinated response to this crisis, and no competent person obviously in charge. The economy has gone to hell, but Trump proceeds with firing the IG over following the law and reporting the whistleblower complaint to Congress, as required by law, and firing the Navy captain who couldn’t get help for his sailors. No one can deny that everything Trump does is all about him, attention, adulation and shifting blame. They don’t believe anything he says, and why should they since he is a chronic, habitual liar and narcissist? So, in their mind, they create a worst-case scenario based on what they know, and believe that maybe if COVID-19 doesn’t get contained, we might end up in a “Walking Dead” situation with no municipal water. Anyway, it can’t hurt to have safe drinking water on hand.

    1. I think that’s a stretch Natasha. Many people are going to react through fear – rational as in distrusting a government run by Trump, and irrationally as in your bottled water example – and he’s bad enough that we don’t need to load another fault on his bogged down cart.

      1. My point was that if you can’t trust the federal government to give you the straight truth, (and you can’t) you are left to your own devices to figure out what to do if the worst comes to pass, and that’s what I think is driving this panic. Millions of people watch “The Walking Dead”, a fictional story about the worse-case scenario if a worldwide pandemic hits and kills most people. There hadn’t been any previous worldwide pandemic when this show started, but there is now.

        I think that if we had a calm, reasonable, honest person like Gov. Cuomo giving daily briefings, people would be less likely to panic, but we don’t have that. Trump’s massive ego prevents him from allowing anyone else to take the helm and appear to be in charge, plus the news is mostly bad, especially on the economy, the success for which he exaggerates in comparison to President Obam. So he keeps showing up, giving conflicting and often untrue information, preventing the doctors from answering questions, and sparring with journalists, all of which makes peoples’ fears worse.

        1. ” IMHO, what drives these panic buying sprees is lack of trust in the federal government, and Trump in particular”

          wrong, i have seen market panics a hundred times in my life, onces that I studied carefully. because i too have the instincts of a hoarder and a prepper. example: in 2004 i bought a box of 30 n95 masks. brushed it off and we’ve been sharing and using them.

          it is human psychology, and it is based on the survival instincts of the herd, which go to that deep brain that is operating below frontal coretex reasoning. it comes from fear, in a word

          fear is a fine tuned survival instinct to help respond to crisis

          when combined with reason, it produces better results.,

          like stocking up on something that may make the difference between life and death as opposed to something spurious like TP. you can wipe your backside with a washcloth and throw it in the wash machine, problem solved with the TP Folks.

    1. Newsom’s body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks.[7] He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire. According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner at the trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was sodomized with an object and raped by a person. Police believe these actions took place at the house and his body was later wrapped and abandoned.

      The medical examiner said that Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy’s. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

      – Wiki

      1. I may not have this right, but I seem to recall that this was not treated as a hate crime.

        Like hate speech, hate crime is very malleable and uncertain and intended to serve agendas rather than equal application of the laws. They are essentially lawless concepts.

        1. You will one day grasp that the seeds of destruction of the American republic lie in one man, one vote democracy. Republican democracy was created by the Greeks, perpetuated by the Romans and perfected by the American Founders with a restricted-vote, allowing only the capable and vested to do so.

          Madness as communism has been unconstitutionally imposed on America through the illegitimate and pointless votes of “everyman”; through the toxic principle of one man, one man democracy.

          China has a republic and a dictatorship of high communist party officials.

          America was given a republic and dictatorship of the capable and vested – 1789 vote requirements were generally: Male, European, 21, 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.

          The American republic and dictatorship of the capable and vested was to be perpetuated within the strict parameters of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

          The Constitution and Bill of Rights have been ignored since Lincoln’s “Reign of Terror” in which legal secession was falsely deemed rebellion, illegal, undeclared war against a sovereign foreign nation was prosecuted, Habeas Corpus was suspended not in a required condition of rebellion but one of secession, private property was confiscated through an unconstitutional “proclamation,” etc. The 1860 38.9% vote for Lincoln was an anomaly of universal suffrage (achieved 1856) or one man, one vote democracy. Lincoln’s 1864 re-election and the completion of his “Reign of Terror” transpired through brute military force. America has “progressed” into communism since.

          One man, one vote democracy is self-destructive and unnecessary. It is known what people desire and it does not require a vote to determine that. People want payments, benefits and entitlements. The more the merrier. America stopped growing its population in 1960. Americans stopped making more Americans. The Deep Deep State of Global Communism didn’t like that so it started importing foreigners as Americans. Americans, of their own volition, determined that there were plenty of Americans so democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists started importing foreigners – it made no sense, unless the goal was more and more voters to seal the victory of communism.

          The vote has been so perverted, diluted and weakened that the Constitution and Bill of Rights have been suspended and a communist dictatorship now fills the vacuum in America.

          1. George, the Greeks didn’t have a repubic. They had a straight democracy, sort of like a big New England townhall meeting. The word means rule by the people.

            The Romans had a republic, res publica, a public thing.

            I am not worried about one man one vote.

            I am worried about one Democrat, many votes.

            Given the nasty and illegal attempts they have made to subvert the last election it doesn’t seem likely they will hesitate to try to steal the next one.

            That explains the enthusiasm for vote harvesting and absentee ballots.

            With vote harvesting and absentee ballots even Jeff Davis, Democrat and former president of the Confederacy could vote again..several times.

            1. The vote was restricted. Imagine their janitors voting. Seriously? The sewer workers’ apprentices voted? At some level, there were voting restrictions and criteria to be met. I don’t think history actually knows all the facts. The first restriction on the vote of any nation was the restriction on immigration. In 1789, American immigrants must have been “…free white person(s).” The “vote” in early Greece may have been ignored or “adjusted” post facto by high officials. It has been established that the Greeks, Romans and early Americans had restrictions on the vote, some more severe than others. The 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments providing voting rights were improperly ratified among states torn asunder, under the duress of brutal post-war military occupation (Crimes and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Donald Jeffries) and as a consequence of previous illicit and unconstitutional legislation and amendment. They have served as a “death warrant” for America and the U.S. Constitution.

              Athenian democracy

              Participation was not open to all residents, but was instead limited to adult, male citizens (i.e., not a foreign resident, a slave, or a woman), who “were probably no more than 30 percent of the total adult population”.[1]

              – Wiki

              5b. Democracy Is Born

              The men wearing red paint were in big trouble.

              In fact, they would probably have to pay a fine for not appearing at the assembly meeting. After being caught shirking their duty as citizens of Athens, they had been marked with red paint as punishment.

              In Athenian democracy, every citizen was required to participate or suffer punishment. This practice stands in stark contrast to modern democratic governments in which citizens can choose whether or not they wish to participate. In Athenian democracy, all citizens pulled their weight.

              Not everyone in Athens was considered a citizen. Only free, adult men enjoyed the rights and responsibility of citizenship. Only about 20 percent of the population of Athens were citizens. Women were not citizens and therefore could not vote or have any say in the political process. They were rarely permitted out in public and were even restricted as to where they could be within their own homes. Slaves and foreigners were not citizens and also could not participate in the democracy. In the end, democracy existed only for the free men who were originally from Athens.

              – Ancient Civilizations

              Merriam Webster

              republic noun

              re·​pub·​lic | \ ri-ˈpə-blik
              Definition of republic

              1a(1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
              (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
              b(1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

              “the people are nothing but a great beast…

              I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value.”

              -Alexander Hamilton

              “The true reason (says Blackstone) of requiring any qualification, with regard to property in voters, is to exclude such persons, as are in so mean a situation, that they are esteemed to have no will of their own.”

              “If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other.”

              – Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

              “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

              – Alexander Fraser Tytler

        2. “Hate” crimes are more communist nonsense. What is the inverse? What is a “love” crime? Hate crime is unconstitutional in that it falsely introduces a bias into what becomes subjective not objective law. America is so tied up in and befuddled by controversial “law” that the vacuum of resolve, abhorred by nature, is being filled by power-hungry communists.

          Communists in America make a “veiled” attempt to deny Americans their right to private property and freedom of thought, speech, belief, religion, discrimination, assembly, etc. The American welfare state is designed to begin “fundamentally transforming the United States” from American possession to minority hyphenate possession. Imagine, free Americans cannot discriminate or segregate. Under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, people must adapt to the outcomes of freedom; understanding that freedom does not adapt to people and that dictatorship does. People don’t come to America to obtain freedom, they come to obtain “free stuff.” The slaves said they wanted freedom when what they really wanted was “free stuff.”

        3. “Hate speech” is irrefutably unconstitutional.

          The freedom of speech is unqualified by the Constitution and is, therefore, absolute.

          Congress has no authority to modify the freedom of speech.

          Modification of the first amendment must be effected through the amendment process.

  10. When she is caught, sentence her to emptying bed pans and giving sponge baths to senior citizens, in an extended care facility.

    1. Then she would just abuse those people too. Isolate her in a closet for a month..6×8 foot cell

      1. another candidate for limited corporal punishment in the form of non-injurious yet painful CANING after proper due process trial and conviction

        as the jails are releasing people due to covid-19, the time is come to discuss re-introducing modest corporal punishment for adults, via proper legislation, to penalize small crimes for which incarceration is unsuitable

    1. If that was true em, we wouldn’t have gotten out of the jungle, let alone to the moon. Have a little faith. If you’re in trouble, someone will probably pick you up. Not guaranteed, but the most likely outcome.

      1. 0.01% of the population when we reached the moon was approximately 30 million people.

        If anything, I have too much faith. I should have said, 99.999% of people.

  11. Mespo hasn’t gotten the memo. Since Trump apparently was reamed out on the phone by Premier Xi, neither he or anyone in his administration have said a word about “China Virus”.

  12. Reminds me of a time on campus where a email notice went out for a someone who had committed several robberies and gave a certain physical description, but not the race of the perpetrator. Of course, when you read such a description and the race is not given, you realize the suspect was black or hispanic.

    JT, you are going to lose your good liberal card because you showed this picture. All good and right thinking people KNOW that minorities DO NOT commit crimes in numbers disproportionate to the population. And showing this picture implies otherwise.


    1. Antonio, JT doesn’t live in Massachusetts. Do you?? If not, why is it necessary to see this woman’s photo? It’s not like she’s on a national tour of macing cashiers with Lysol.

      1. @seth warner

        You post the picture because it might make it easier to apprehend the perpetrator. A description of female, 5’6”, slim to medium build, wearing a dark jacket, carrying a white handbag is probably not as useful.

        Don’t worry when you encounter a bunch of diverse “youths” and you fear attack, just tell them you are a good liberal and I promise they will stop.


    2. Antonio: There’s a difference between rational and irrational crimes. Robbery is usually an economic crime, so it is more likely to be committed by those who are poor. Which includes poor whites and poor Hispanics. But spraying someone’s face with a chemical cleaner, or hitting an elderly Asian woman over the head with a hammer because she “caused” COVID-19, or punching an elderly Hasidic rabbi to the ground and stomping him, or playing the “knockout game” on unsuspecting whites walking down the street are irrational crimes committed by irrational people. And yes, I’m speaking of blacks and only blacks. Nobody else engages in this type of insanity. And then to top it off, the morons typically post videos of their crimes online to boast to their friends and relatives of their accomplishments, fortunately making it easier for the police to lock them up.

      1. @TIN

        I feel ZERO sympathy for preachy upper middle class white liberals who love to virtue signal about their inherent goodness but get mugged anyway despite their money and best efforts to avoid diversity.


    1. Paul – I scouted Walmarts and Targets and drove to a Neighborhood Walmart, 1 hr north, semi-hidden, picked up the toilet paper, paper towels, bleach, napkins…no cleaning supplies like say Clorox wipes…but overall, I was happy when I left…it was late too, they had supply all day.

        1. Kurtz – There was a time when people used handkerchiefs and cloth diapers. Then the manufacturers created a “necessity” out of disposable products and after a few generations, people forgot that these disposables are not actually necessary. Same with hand sanitizer. It’s a relatively new, and convenient product, but certainly not necessary. Yet people are panicking and paying ridiculous sums for it.

  13. I’ve heard of people who hoarded toilet paper then found out they lost their jobs and wanted to return the toilet paper back to the store for their money back. All sales final.

  14. “One of the most disturbing and weirdly fascinating aspects of this pandemic is the continued shortage of toilet paper and things like bottled water.”
    Gee, I wonder why there’s a panic about the Wuhan Virus when the news has a daily death count and the government has us all on lockdown/house arrest! None ever for influenza which will KILL 24,000 – 60,000 this year alone and we’re good with that. Oh and about 39 to 55 million Americans will be infected. (Current Wuhan Infection in US 337,000). And don’t give me the higher death rate of the Wuhan Virus. We don’t know the actual number infected so we can’t know the death rate. The best guess is from the Lancet with .66% as estovir explained to us*.

    This panic is about focus, manipulation and a dry run to see just how docile we are. The globalist One World dream is dying and they aren’t going quietly.

    “The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.” Camus was never more right.

    I’m spending my free time as the firing range. I suggest others do the same.

    *”Using data on 24 deaths that occurred in mainland China and 165 recoveries outside of China, we estimated the mean duration from onset of symptoms to death to be 17·8 days (95% credible interval [CrI] 16·9–19·2) and to hospital discharge to be 24·7 days (22·9–28·1). In all laboratory confirmed and clinically diagnosed cases from mainland China (n=70 117), we estimated a crude case fatality ratio (adjusted for censoring) of 3·67% (95% CrI 3·56–3·80). However, after further adjusting for demography and under-ascertainment, we obtained a best estimate of the case fatality ratio in China of 1·38% (1·23–1·53), with substantially higher ratios in older age groups (0·32% [0·27–0·38] in those aged <60 years vs 6·4% [5·7–7·2] in those aged ≥60 years), up to 13·4% (11·2–15·9) in those aged 80 years or older. Estimates of case fatality ratio from international cases stratified by age were consistent with those from China (parametric estimate 1·4% [0·4–3·5] in those aged <60 years [n=360] and 4·5% [1·8–11·1] in those aged ≥60 years [n=151]). Our estimated overall infection fatality ratio for China was 0·66% (0·39–1·33), with an increasing profile with age. Similarly, estimates of the proportion of infected individuals likely to be hospitalised increased with age up to a maximum of 18·4% (11·0–7·6) in those aged 80 years or older."

    1. From your link:

      “Our estimate of the proportion of infected individuals requiring hospitalisation, when combined with likely infection attack rates (around 50–80%), show that even the most advanced health-care systems are likely to be overwhelmed.”

      Does that concern you at all?

      Using your 60K flu death figure, that’s about 164/day, and I’ve read 500-600 during peak times. We’re seeing 1000 reported Covid deaths per day, on the way to 2000, even with drastic mitigation efforts. This ain’t the flu.

      1. Brad:
        ” … show that even the most advanced health-care systems are likely to be overwhelmed.”Does that concern you at all?”
        It would have if the history in the US wasn’t contrary. There are 41,000 Wyhan Virus hospitalizations in the nations 6,200 hospitals. Let’s call that about 7 per hospital. Let’s say it quadruples. That’s 28 per hospital. (I know it’s not an even distribution but I’m comparing overall effects of “overwhelming” the healthcare centers.)

        Now that’s compared to a worst case projection of 800,000 hospitalizations for influenza this year. That’s about 130 per hospital. No hue and cry there.

        I’m not a believer so far since no one is quarantining me for influenza.

        1. Let’s say 1000 US deaths were attributed to Covid-19 in the last 24 hours. The figure was much more than that, but it’s a nice round number. According to your expertise, how many do you estimate “merely” had Covid?

    2. “I’m spending my free time as the firing range. I suggest others do the same.”

      One of the all time best typos ever. Oh the difference one letter can make…

      Also seems like a tiny study. Since there are some marked outliers with world stats in terms of death rate (South Korea on the low end, Italy on the high end) and the fact the U.S. has eclipsed Italy’s trajectory with coastal urban areas being hardest hit, it’s actually too early to come up with death rate. We can make projections, and we can see with our own eyes how the hospitals are affected, but final stats — for the U.S. anyway — are nowhere near final. We’ll have to figure in rates from the smaller county hospitals, either, later in the season, but especially after a fall uptick of cases to really get an accurate picture of death rate Stateside.

    3. Mespo, even Republican governors are concerned about the virus. Even if it doesn’t kill you, your chances of needing hospitalization are 20%. And toughing it out at home can still mean 10 days in bed. Do ‘you’ want to spend 10 days in bed??

      1. Came close to that with the London Flu and, oddly, nobody said it was racist to call it the London Flu.

        1. Young, it sounds like you want to keep the argument going with regards to naming rights. Which suggests you dont care if stupid Yahoos harass Asians in this country. Are you a stupid yahoo?? If not, why are you concerned for them??

          1. Looking at videos and news reports it seems that most of the people attacking Asians are black.

            Not sure that fits the Progressive narrative.

            1. Just in NY Daily Post has an article of a black teen attacking an Asian while yelling racial epithets.

              As I said, reality not what the Progressive narrative would prefer.

              Maybe the problem is different from the name of the epidemic.

              1. Young, let’s go with that. Let’s say the only people attacking Asians are Blacks and Hispanics. Should Asians be less worried then??

                1. I don’t think Hispanics so much. More blacks.

                  Consider that this may just another vent for a long-bubbling resent. The Long Island commuter shooter targeted whites and Asians. The Rodney King rioters attacked Korean shop owners. We’re often hears complaints from the black community that Asian shop owners are stealing their opportunities.

                  This problem has old, deep roots and changing the name of a virus isn’t going to solve it.

                    1. bythebook: It’s all about the numbers. Sure, there are occasional mass shooters. And they are disproportionately young white males. Although there was a young black male who shot up a community college in Roseville OR. That, of course was quickly buried by the press. And there was a Hispanic serial killer in CA (Richard Rameriz); the black Atlanta child killer (Wayne Williams), and so forth. So serial killers and mass killers come in all types. But the virtual crime wave of violence of every sort comes from black males, at 6% of the population and convicted of more than 50% of violent felonies. So good luck pointing out the statistical outliers among other groups who commit an occasional aberrant crime.

            2. it doesn’t of course but they haven’t noticed the trend so far, because, it’s not about facts Young, its about their angles

              1. Kurtz, is harassment of Asians more acceptable if only Blacks and Hispanics are attacking them??

                1. No criminal acts against people here are all unlawful and all intolerable. I specifically denounce crimes against Asians who are some of the most orderly and productive element of our population. Facts and statistics will easily reveal which sectors are the opposite.

                  But some people complaining about this now like you, I suspect are just milking it for antiTrump propaganda, trolling.

                  Asians are one of the most peaceful, orderly, and productive sectors of American society. We are generally blessed by their presence here. And yet they are habitually abused by a disproportionately black criminal element, in the big cities, and they full well know it. The dynamic is most pronounced in New York.

                  For some reason the antipathy between these populations is less sharp in California. I don’t have a ready explanation for that, still pondering it.

                  1. The black antipathy to Asians in California was pretty sharp when mobs attacked Korean shops after the Rodney King incident which, by the way, did not include any Korean police officers.

                  2. Another detail that the media tries to bury is that there is a lot of hostility between Hispanics and blacks, particularly in LA where Hispanics are taking over black neighborhoods. For awhile it seemed some Hispanic gang members were shooting blacks on little hunting trips for street cred. Details are hard to come by because the progressive corporate media quickly smothered that story just as it was coming out.

                    Never heard that Hispanics had a problem with Asians. That was more of “It’s A Black Thing” and I wouldn’t understand it.

                2. I am old enough to remember that when the blacks went a rioting in LA it was Reginald Denny a white trucker who got his head caved in with a brick on tv and it was Koreans who took to the rooftops with rifles to protect their turf.

                  My thought at the time and many times since, is that native born white people should be more like these Korean immigrants. In about a hundred different ways.

                  I don’t want to make this into a diatribe against black people. They’re the worst victims of their own criminal element, person for person.

                  It’s a time for all of us to unite in common cause and mutual compassion and not grease our guns for an imaginary race war that isn’t coming any time soon.

                  1. Rephrase that. Black people should be more like Korean immigrants in a hundred different ways.

                    Reginald Denny was working and earning a living the day he was attacked and beaten by savages.

                    Watch the video before you object to the term ‘savages’.

                    1. Young, just for the record, I lived the L.A. Riots in real time. Tensions between Blacks and Asians had brewed for many years. It’s too much to explain right here and irrelevant to the initial discussion. But it seems that you and Kurtz have turned around to make yourselves ‘Defenders’ of Asians while implying that liberals incite Blacks to attack them. Which shows what hypocritical jerks you are!

                  2. Seth, just as I was saying. Blacks have a history of resenting and attacking Asians and it doesn’t come down to the name for the Wuhan virus. That’s just another excuse.

                    1. Whites have a history of attacking everyone and Young would like to keep that going.

                    2. Young, here you are saying we need to support Trump by naming the virus after China. Then when I point out that Asians in this country are prone to harrassment, you want to make the discussion about Blacks attacking Asians with presumed encouragement from liberals. Then you even double-down on that point. It’s like you’re trying to win The Weasel Award.

                    3. Whites have a history of attacking everyone and Young would like to keep that going.

                      Actually, in the world in which we live, white-on-black crime is quite unusual.

                    4. Absurd, exactly right. FBI statistics show black on black crime at horrific levels. Black on white and Hispanic is also very high. White on black crime is so low as to barely move the meter. Black Lives Kill Black Lives, and it doesn’t seem to matter to Progressives.

                    5. Young – Blacks have a history of resenting and attacking EVERYBODY. As long as I can remember, I’ve read about black on black violence, black on gay violence, black on Asian violence, black on Jew violence, black on white violence. Really, is there ANYONE that blacks don’t have a problem with? I think they’re less likely to f*ck with Hispanics, because it will come back on them like a ton of bricks. At least in CA, Hispanics are about 50% of the population, and blacks about 7%, and Hispanic males will most certainly exact immediate revenge, which is pretty much all blacks are capable of understanding.

        2. It’s not racist necessarily–it is about Trump narcissism. The scientific world calls it COVID-19. but Trumpy Bear thinks he can re-name it to stigmatize the Chinese to get even because his tariffs and trade policies have failed.

          1. All of the liberal media called it the Wuhan Virus or Chinese virus until the President used the term. Then, overnight, it became bad. He didn’t change the name; they did. If he called it the Chicken Soup Virus then the media would be telling us we couldn’t talk about chickens any more.

            1. Possibly the Wuhan virus should be renamed the Communist Virus.

              The Communist party suppressed information, punished doctors who tried to tell the truth, and fed false information to the rest of the world. The demon was loose before we could prepare.

              Communist Virus is a good name for it.

              1. I just call it covid-19 because there are better things to argue about now

                it’s a tar baby, just go around it

                1. It’s a tar baby because the left made it one. It is important to remember where and why this disease originated and why it got loose. It is not the first and will not be the last.

                  Turns out that the Spanish Flu of 1918 may also have originated in China. Chinese laborers were shipped by train across Canada and then sent to the Western Front to dig trenches and do other work. I knew they were there but never gave a thought how or when they got there until recently.

                  1. they’re trolling you. it takes 10 times the effort to correct a lie or mistaken notion, as it does to move on making one other relevant point which needs to be said in the same time frame

                    these 3 are trolling Republicans here every day and a lot of people get sucked into it and weighed down with their trolling.

                    watching the troll in chief Trump, you can see somebody who understands how to troll other people. those were in happier days. but sometimes there is little time left for it from any sector not doing it nor getting bogged down by it

                    1. Define “trolling”. I’m serious as a heart attack and I’ll back up anything I say factual or retract it, and that’s something I’ve done as recently as about 3 weeks ago with that clown Mespo.

                    2. Yeah, Kurtz, amid a Global Crisis we need a troll in the White House; someone who can drain any reservoir of good will.

                    3. Kurtz, I am not correcting them. They are not amenable to an actual coversation. Perhaps occasionally I am trolling them.

                    4. Kurtz, Have you noticed that I can disagree with you or Paul without loss of courtesy but differing from Seth or the others quickly devolves to name calling?

                      That, along with their strawmen and repeated lies, is why I said they are not amenable to an exchange of ideas but are sometimes fun to troll.

                1. Paul – I call it the Kung Flu, in private; in public, or to strangers, it is SARS-Cov-2, and Covid-19.

          2. Natasha, Premier Xi must have reamed out Trump in that March 26 phone call since then he and the administration have given up on the “China Flu”. The stooges in the outback like mespo and Young haven’t gotten the memo and are abandoned on that losing front like Japanese soldiers in a cave.

            1. More likely they came to an accomodation for the Chinese to stop blaming American military for the origin of the virus and Trump would ease his boot on their necks a little.

              Art of the deal. I thought the President had something like that in mind at the time.

              At these pressers he sometimes, maybe often, is not speaking to those brainless reporters but using them to send a message to someone else. As I said, I thought that was what he was doing when he kept saying Chinese virus while rebuking the Chinese for blaming us. Very smart.

              I wonder why you seem to take pleasure and comfort at the thought of a Communist dictator humiliating an American President.

              It does not speak well of you.

              In any event it didn’t happen with this President. With soy boy Obama all the time, but not with this one.

              1. I remember that the Chinese had such contempt for soy boy President Obama that the last time he went there they wouldn’t even roll up stairs to the plane. He had to come out of the butt of the plane using the installed stairs. What an embarrassment for the country he was.

                1. If By the Book is eager to have erotic fantasies about an American president being humiliated by a Communist dictator or extremist Iman he needs to pick a different man. Soy boy Obama is the punk for you.

          3. no it was decades of bean counters reorganizing our supply chains to outsource all manufacturing to china that failed and Trump was the first one to actually address it

            that’s the biggest “Takeaway” from this mess, failure of American’s financial and managerial sector across 30 some years of stripping assets from this country and moving it overseas to enrich the 1 tenth of the 1%

            you party hacks currying favor with superiors who will never even see your ardent efforts to shine their boots, have nothing to say about that, instead, just blame Trump, one guy, who came along late in the game to try and rectify this obvious mistake which is leaving us unsupplied with the most basic stuff right now, wow. super short sighted.

            any Republicans who are turning around today and making the same foolish mistake of laying it on Obama are just as dumb as you

            It is a decades long failure of financial and managerial executive leadership, pure incompetence, yet richly rewarded.

            Where’s Lenin today? Hang about 100 of the top “leaders” of American banks, universities, and hospitals, and the stench of their rotting carcasses of these incompetent bean counters will motivate those who take their places to do a much better job

            this is actually not a political question or an ideological one., but it is one where the peasants who are now locked down need to grip their pitchforks and when the plague abates, take bloody revenge on the entrenched bureaucracies which failed us

            1. Kurtz, good observations. I just read that American companies are learning that the Chinese won’t let them bring some of their factory equipment back to the US. Suddenly they discover that in a Communist country they don’t really own their stuff after all. Trump was aware of the dangers long before he became president. Genius.

              1. Young, I have been complaining about how the supply chain was reshuffled to the PRC for decades as it happened apace. I am not genius and I was not the only one. but I was a back bencher and a nobody. look to the clowns with the million dollar salaries for who screwed this all up and lot of them work in NYC in finance which is irony of ironies

                Trump was also not the big name ot notice; Ross Perot warned about this aspect as well. way back when

                1. Kurtz, You are right. I have forgotten much of the events that preceded this. Thanks for the reminder.

              2. Yeah, genius:

                “…Back on February 7, the World Health Organization sounded alarm bells about “the limited stock of PPE,” noting demand was 100 times higher than normal for this equipment.
                Yet the same day as the WHO warning, the Trump administration announced that it was transporting to China nearly 17.8 tons (more than 35,000 pounds) of “masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials.” As Secretary of State Mike Pompeo noted in the press release announcing this shipment, “These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.”

                Americans indeed are a generous people. We want to help those in need. And at the time these medical supplies were shipped, more than 28,000 people in China were infected with nearly 600 deaths attributed to the virus. But how could Trump allow tons of vital medical equipment Americans to be transported to another country in February if, as he has claimed since January, he fully understood the risk the United States was facing from the virus.

                As a reminder, the first known case of coronavirus case on US soil was confirmed by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 21, 2020.
                The next day, Trump was asked about the virus while attending the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos. CNBC anchor Joe Kernen asked the President: “The CDC has identified a case of coronavirus in Washington state … have you been briefed by the CDC?” to which Trump responded, “I have.” Kernen continued, “Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?” Trump declared: “No. Not at all. And — we’re — we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”


    4. See the experience of the Diamond Princess. About 11.3% of the passengers and staff suffered symptomatic infections. About 4.5% of those over 60 with symptoms died (and there are still 10 people not out of the woods). Now extrapolate. You have just shy of 70 million people over 60 in this country. If just north of 11% suffer symptoms, you have just shy of 8 million suffering old people and about 360,000 elderly dying. If the Italian distribution of mortality holds here, you’ll have another 20,000 or so deaths from those under 60. A death toll of 380,000 people is serious business.

      Note that in the 20 counties around Manhattan, you have on a typical day 450 deaths from any and all causes. In recent days, you’ve been seeing 900 deaths a day attributed to coronavirus. This is one nasty bug.

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