The Shader Sisters: Two Women Arrested After Molotov Cocktail Is Thrown Into Van With Four Officers [Updated]

Two sisters have been arrested after a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a NYPD van with four officers inside. Samantha Shader, 27, of Catskill, NY, is charged with throwing the incendiary device, which did not explode.  Her sister, Darian, 21, (left) then allegedly tried to stop the arrest of Samantha Shader.  The police have hit Samantha Shader with a slew of major charges including attempted murder of a police officer, attempted arson, assault on a police officer, criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment.  Her sister faces charges of resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration. (The Daily Mail has released these pictures from social media allegedly showing the two sisters).  Update: Media is reporting that Shader admitted to her attack on the police.  The police have released a picture of Shader throwing the Molotov cocktail.

Police say that Samantha Shader threw the device through a rear window of the van.  She then allegedly bit an officer on the leg as they struggled to arrest her.  When her sister attempted to intervene, she was also arrested.

Perhaps some of our New York lawyers could help us with a code issue. I was able to find attempted murder in the second degree but not a first degree program.  Murder in the first degree includes

“the intended victim was a police officer as defined in subdivision 34 of section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law who was at the time of the killing engaged in the course of performing his official duties, and the defendant knew or reasonably should have known that the intended victim was a police officer.”

This would appear therefore an attempted murder in the first degree.  

The best defense would be to challenge either the allegation that she threw the device or that the device was actually explosive or flammable.  A mental capacity defense is often hard to make out with there is preplanning or pre-construction of an explosive device.

It is hard to imagine any prosecutor bargaining down this charge since, if true, there would have been four officers burned to death if the device actually went off. Unless the device did not contain a flammable or explosive liquid, Shader is looking at serious time if convicted. For a Class A felony, the maximum term is life imprisonment.  Even a Class B felony includes up to 25 years in prison.

Even if a life sentence is not sought, an effective life sentence can be achieved in such a case if the prosecutors count stack or ask for non-concurrent (or consecutive) sentencing.

Update:  Others have been arrested for alleged firebombing attacks.  In the second case, Urooj Raman tossed a Molotov cocktail into the NYPD vehicle and then jumped into a minivan. He and the driver Colinford Mattis, 32, were arrested and both are Brooklyn residents.

Here is the photo that accompanied the police affidavit:

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390 thoughts on “The Shader Sisters: Two Women Arrested After Molotov Cocktail Is Thrown Into Van With Four Officers [Updated]”

  1. A crime is committed and the perpetrator is arrested, incarcerated and charged – justice is served.
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    Americans launch spacecraft.

    Africans burn down their habitats.

    1. African Americans are American.
      African Americans have played central roles in launching spacecraft.

      You post endless racist diatribes, and your willingness to let your racism do harm to your fellow Americans is shameful.

      1. In The Founders We Trust
        _____________________

        Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802

        United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

        Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen
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        Lincoln has some thoughts on the subject:

        “If all earthly power were given me,” said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” After acknowledging that this plan’s “sudden execution is impossible,” he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” “My own feelings will not admit of this,” he said, “and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.”5

        One of Lincoln’s most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:

        There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races … A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas …

        Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, “must be effected by colonization” of the country’s blacks to a foreign land. “The enterprise is a difficult one,” he acknowledged,

        but “where there is a will there is a way,” and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.
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        Amendment was never proposed that it would “injure” the very Constitution itself.

        “…if there are amendments…as will not injure the constitution…”

        ” And if there are amendments desired, of such a nature as will not injure the constitution, and they can be ingrafted so as to give satisfaction to the doubting part of our fellow citizens; the friends of the federal government will evince that spirit of deference and concession for which they have hitherto been distinguished.”

        – James Madison, Proposed Amendments to the Constitution, June 8, 1789
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        Mistakes and oversights must be and have been corrected:

        The 21st righteously repealed the idiotic 18th.
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        Americans enjoy the freedoms of speech, thought, opinion, assembly, segregation, belief, religion, etc., which you insidiously and futilely attempt to conflate with violence. The “harm” has been to the pocketbooks, cities and culture of Americans. Watch the news this evening.
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        Everything that “Crazy Abe” Lincoln and his successors did was unconstitutional, based on unconstitutional acts and is, to this day, illegitimate. As did Lincoln, you communists ignore the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and endeavor mightily and ceaselessly to impose your centrally planned, means-of-production controlled (i.e. regulation), socially engineered, redistributionist welfare state and dictatorship – your tyranny.

      2. COMRADE GENERAL SECRETARY JIMMY CARTER DEFENDS ALL‐WHITE AREAS
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        By Christopher. Lydon Special to The New York Times

        April 7, 1976

        SOUTH BEND, Ind., April 6 — Jimmy Carter said today that the Federal Government should not take the initiative to change the “ethnic purity” of some urban neighborhoods or the economic “homogeneity” of well‐to‐do suburbs.

        ‘If he wins the Presidency, the Georgia Democrat said at a news conference here, “I’m not ‐going to use the Federal Government’s authority deliberately to circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods.”

        Similarly, he said, “To build a high‐rise, very low‐cost housing unit in a suburban neighborhood or other neighborhoods with relatively expensive homes, I think, would not he in the best interest of the people. who live in the high‐rise or the suburbs.

        “Any exclusion of a family because of race or ethnic background I would oppose very strongly and aggressively as President,” he said. “But think it’s good to maintain the homogeneity of neighborhoods if they’ye been established that way.”

      3. About 6.5% of aerospace engineers are black as we speak. I assume the data for 1963 is offline and buried in libraries somewhere. Your point?

        1. Affirmative Action Privilege is communistic, unpatriotic, un-American, anti-American and unconstitutional.

          The American Founders established a level playing field; the charity industry is to be conducted in the free markets of the private sector.

      4. ” African Americans have played central roles in launching spacecraft.”:

        Proof required. Commit to honesty, not opinion.

  2. These two losers no doubt from broken and very dysfunctional homes where they were taught no moral compass, should be charged with attempted murder.

  3. Meanwhile, Trump reveals himself as an ignorant and dishonest [redacted] for the umpteenth time:

    Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) · 3h:
    “The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.”

    Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) [UT Austin law professor] ·3h
    “The United States of America has no legal authority to designate *any* domestic entities as ‘terrorist organizations.’”

    Our laws do allow this designation for *foreign* terrorist organizations: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1189%20edition:prelim)

    Our laws also allow domestic terrorist acts to be identified as such, and law enforcement follows a variety of domestic groups for terrorist acts: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states [see the section titled Domestic Terrorism]
    But that’s different from Trump’s lie.

    1. I should clarify re: domestic terrorist acts. People talk about them as domestic terrorism, but there is no statute under which they’re charged as domestic terrorism.

      For example, in House testimony for session on “Confronting White Supremacy: Adequacy of the Federal Response,” FBI Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division, Michael McGarrity testified on 6/4/2019 that “you’re using the word ‘charge.’ So, as I said before, there’s no domestic terrorism charge.”

        1. You do see that that resolution was never voted on (much less approved), right?
          I hope you also understand the difference between resolutions and laws.

            1. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2009-title18/html/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap113B-sec2331.htm

              (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
              (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
              (B) appear to be intended—
              (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
              (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
              (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

              (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

              1. Yep terrorists, years ago we all learned. Not hard. Already said so in another post about the place.

                Someone is playing your game, and many of us are happy it has finally happened.

                Good luck applying that your opposition.

                Laughing.

              2. Yeah, I already said that “Our laws … allow domestic terrorist acts to be identified as such.” But what you quoted is not a criminal code under which someone can be *charged* with domestic terrorism, and it’s also not about designating domestic entities as “terrorist organizations,” as Trump claimed.

  4. Two Brooklyn lawyers, including an Ivy League graduate corporate attorney, are facing federal charges for tossing a Molotov cocktail into an NYPD vehicle early Saturday morning during a protest over the police killing of George Floyd.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-molotov-nypd-brooklyn-lawyers-charged-20200531-nxamwxnjmzgvzmczi6z2ypcbzi-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt

    Lots more at the link! I hope they lose their law licenses too.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reorter

      1. Young – they saw Amy Cooper as their role model and decided to step it up. BTW, which Ivy League law school teaches the making of Molotov cocktails?

        1. Maybe all of them in one of the grievance studies departments.

          When academia comes to states with their purses open for cash, it should be given only on condition that these odious studies departments be shut down for good. Open them under another name and we take the money back.

      2. It’s time for the armed forces and intelligence community, who have shown their willingness to bend or ignore laws anyhow, to actually do something to help the American people.

        They need to initiate a Pheonix program against ANTIFA. Trials are not needed.

        Dutuerte, Bolsonaro style summary punishments removing the anarchist threat from society is needed, in short order.

        They are intent on fomenting an immediate civil war and immediate warlike measures are needed against them.

    1. Squeeky – I knew some lawyers were bomb-throwers, but I didn’t think for realzies.

      1. They’re Democrats. That is their religious faith. Sooo, just like really faithful and fanatic Muslims, they will do bad things to “infidels.” Plus, they have been brainwashed by the media and their professors. They have been radicalized, to use another terrorism term/

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        1. You post an awful lot of bigoted comments: bigotry against black Americans, bigotry against Muslim Americans, bigotry against Americans who are Democrats, bigotry against American reporters, bigotry against American faculty, …

          Do you ever get tired of holding so much hate in your heart?
          Don’t you think that our country would be better off without so much bigotry and that patriotic Americans should work against it?

            1. I’m not sure why you consider it “hate speech.” Would you clarify the part(s) you consider “hate speech”? Also, feel free to report it to Turley if you think it’s a personal attack.

              1. Committ – if I have to clarify it you don’t understand your systemic hate. Look deeply inward.

                1. Begging the question is a common fallacy: iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#BeggingtheQuestion

                  I’m not a mind-reader, and I cannot know why *you* think it’s hate speech unless you tell me.

                    1. Did you say earlier that you’d taught at a university?
                      If so, you should know better than to continue begging the question.

                    2. No, I don’t.

                      If you’re actually a teacher, then you could use this as an opportunity to teach. My guess is that you don’t want to explain because I may point out that your reasoning is faulty (e.g., perhaps you’re using a faulty definition of “hate speech” or perhaps you falsely believe that pointing out bigotry is itself bigotry), but it’s just a guess; no way for me to know unless you actually back up your claim.

                    3. I agree he is not aware of the exception given to his kind in the societal matrix of interpersonal public relations designating a positional stance in the foraging and entrenching of new demarcations of the perceived accredited mindset in the wider power driven movement of change.

          1. Commit, there’s some pathetic racists and haters on this board and Paul seems drawn to them to flirt, though he doesn’t seem to have the same mean streak personally. I choose to ignore most of the time. What’s the point of engaging them?

            1. I mostly ignore them too. But how will we decrease the racism in this country if we don’t call it out more often when we see it? I don’t want to be silent right now.

        2. That one struck home and sent mucky into a fit.
          Specifically the radicalized/terrorist portion.
          The democrat new religion.
          The comparison to known religious terrorists.
          The media and education brainwashing.

          Laughing.

          I had to drive through an imitation split crowd earlier, very busy two way four lane at the center of gov power – and two tards were mucking it across the street half a short block up – probably 50 or 75 present total the usual age and suspects, my light changed I’m in the right lane next to curb so I go forward and moron is lollygagging the other tard curbed up onto sidewalk so I’m 15 feet away I hit the horn at the dingbat then reflexively my right hand is thumbfisting dippo to the sidewalk – yes idiot looked of course and saw it and up on the sidewalk dummy went at slummin it speed.

          So these people are idiots. No signs showing – which really if they want to spread their grievance and protest then get yer _____ ________ on the sidewalk and have a visible large print easy read sign and be respectful of other sidewalk travelers and especially the traffic – and show the signs to passing traffic maybe dance em a bit like pizza sign holders …

          NOPE. Can’t be useful and smart about ‘their own cause’

          So anyway to my destination nearby a small _____ fourdoor is parked and there’s a lollygagger twaddling in front of the road near private parking entrance she moved with her cellphone mouth hanging open… my friend tells me right before I leave there this window smashed blah whatever – I’m leaving and he hoofs it out there to find out what’s going on (laughing !), sure enough the fourdoor rear drivers is smashed out
          was probably that girls or her two friends yes maybe they were protesting and their ______ lost it on them

          I travel back through the main, though my friend suggested take an alternate route that’s not me. You’re not standing in the middle of a street here you _____ ________ ____ ____idiots. So then a cop has the right lane before the other light on the way back, and an unmarked large brown police van has the other side right lane, and most the crowd has gathered semi circle on a sidewalk small lot with their backs to the corner preaching to themselves right of that police van… one cardboard sign 2×3 nothing he was pointing in toward his own crowd…IDIOT.

          So this goofball crap has hit everywhere now.
          The lunatic crybabies gen z I guess

          Good thing the streets stayed clear. Man I was so hot.
          The least I expect is a good show.
          The side that somewhat cleared to the kitty corner lot was stragglers way back from the sidewalk when I went back through on the rumpuses.

          No show. Nothing. Good thing, means they aren’t into it here.

    2. Imagine if those cops had been burned, there is not a whole lot of a more evil weapon to use. Burning someone or burning them to death is a horrible thought. Ask these people what they want and they can’t answer it. What happened in Minnesota was wrong and nobody that has seen the video disagrees. But, it was one incident. No matter what we do as a society there will always be evil and bad people. We simply can’t let the media and these nuts make us believe it’s happening every day by the hundreds. It’s not. The vast majority of police are good. If you want to look for a cause look no further than the vitriol spewing from the left wing 24/7. They are tearing this country apart.

  5. Kurt Schlicter has good advice for the President. Bring the full weight of federal law enforcement against Antifa and don’t rely on local, liberal prosecutors. Crush them now while the country is mad. If Wray won’t act, can him. I would also like to see an expanded US Marshal service take part. I no longer trust the FBI.

  6. Re: the update, Colinford Mattis is an attorney.

    Shame on all of them to be responding with violence, and sheer stupidity for an attorney to do it.

  7. Committ – there appears to be a DC Circuit rule against amicus curie in criminal cases on the district court level and refusing to dismiss the cases flies in the face of a DC Circuit decision and a very recent SC 9-0 decision authored by Ginsberg. What wiggle room does he have? They may not even accept his response since it isn’t his. The Circuit told him to answer, not his attorney. This may be the first time on record for a judge to hire counsel on a Writ of Mandamus.

    1. Paul– Yes. This has become an entertaining Three Stooges act. Shame for the reputation of the federal judiciary, but that was already in tatters. The court might put other briefs on the table and flip through them but I guess, as you say, they said they want to hear from the judge and, probably they already have a very good idea what they want to do…to the judge, that is. Too many cases are brought before the Charlie Foxtrot that the DC courts have become. Disperse the court and disperse the federal agencies. The cocktail party circuit that passes for government now should see the lights go up and hear that it is closing time.

      1. Committ – the Court asked the Judge to explain his actions, not his newly hired attorney. So, does the judge not know the law he ruled on? He has to get outside help? High-priced help from what I hear. I hear Wilkenson is good, but pricey.

        1. Again: **every** respondent has a legal right to hire an attorney, even if that respondent is a judge.

          And when a judge orders someone to respond, it’s quite common for the person’s attorney to respond.

          It’s also strange that you suggest it’s somehow wrong for judges to get help. This is precisely what law clerks do all the time: help judges and justices with their work. Surely you know that there’s a lot of competition to clerk for federal judges and SCOTUS Justices, right? Are you going to likewise suggest that that means the Justices do “not know the law [they] ruled on”?

          Bottom line: I don’t care what you believe about Sullivan hiring Wilkinson. He has a legal right to do it, and our opinions about it have no effect.

          1. Co9mmitt – it will be interesting to see how the DC Circuit sees the representation.

          1. I just love how the goons in power never have to be on time.
            I didn’t flip the hamburgers and drop the fries yet, can I get an extension ?

            I see what they do matters so little they can just lollygag around and putz it up just to punish ….

            DEFENDANTS

            Which shows careless irresponsibility and bias.

  8. – 160 years of failure to assimilate since “Crazy Abe” Lincoln’s aberrant, unconstitutional “Reign of Terror.”

    – 100 years of constitutional destruction since the 19th Dumbmendment.

    American cities endlessly burn during endless riots.

    The American fertility rate is in a “death spiral” and the population is imported of foreign invader hyphenates.

    The Founders gave Americans freedom, self-governance and the greatest restricted-vote republic in the history of mankind.

    Who nullified the acts of the Founders – the “original intent” and the original Constitution and Bill of Rights?

    Answer: Communists – the mortal enemies of America.

    1. your response slides into the domestic terrorist mindset…ha, are you ready for a life altering experience of twenty years behind steel bars?

    2. “Brave and Heroic Women Destroy America”
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      Failing to execute one’s duty to one’s nation cannot be considered “brave and heroic.”

      Brave and heroic women bear, nurture and develop Americans, sufficient to defend and grow the nation.

      Causing the physical elimination of the people of one’s country cannot be considered “brave and heroic.”

      America doesn’t need “brave and heroic” women; America needs babies…lots and lots of babies.

      The American fertility rate dropped again in 2019 to its lowest point in history.

      The American fertility rate is in a “death spiral.”

      More Americans die than are born.

      The population is imported of foreign invader hyphenates (with foreign allegiances).

      There are 237 million Americans left of a population of 328 million.
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      Total fertility rate

      In 1800 the average American woman had 7.04 children;[27] by the first decade of the 1900s, this number had already decreased to 3.56.[28] Since the early 1970s the birth rate has been below the replacement rate of 2.1 with 1.76 children per woman in 2017.[29]

      – Wiki
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      Four times the American Founders reiterated and legislated the nature of a U.S. citizen.

      “…free white person(s)…”

      Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802.

      United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

      Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof

    3. I strongly support all of the peaceful protesters speaking out against police violence, but responding with violence is neither brave nor heroic, and it also undermines the goal.

      Listen to Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms:
      https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1266755576110907393

      Listen to Killer Mike in Atlanta:
      https://twitter.com/RATM/status/1266684395659972608

      Register to vote, and vote in people who will legally rein in police violence.

    4. These women are terrorists and deserve to be treated like the criminals they are…another bunch of bored, spoiled little ‘princesses’. Am sick of American mothers raising their daughters to be little disrespectful, do-nothing, know-nothing entitled little useless creatures.

      1. The left likes concentration camps for those who indulge in ‘wrong think’. No crime needed. But remember, ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ when your train pulls through the gates and stops at the selection ramp.

    1. Benson – “American — Also the rightards need imprisonment.”

      Rightards:

      John Adams
      John Dickinson
      William Findley
      Benjamin Franklin
      Alexander Hamilton
      John Jay
      Thomas Jefferson
      Richard Henry Lee
      James Madison
      Thomas Paine
      George Washington
      James Wilson

      Fundamental Law: United States Constitution and Bill of Rights

  9. It’s a shame that JT has allowed his blog to become a vehicle for bots, russian and far-right, outright racists and neo-fascists. Oh, but…but…he’s a democrat they say, really? Keep reading on this one post from JT and what his base readers will write.

      1. While I doubt JT spends much time scanning these comments – what a waste of time that would be! – he surely knows what he’s got for followers and does everything he can to keep them fed.

      2. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

        Freedom of thought, speech, belief, religion, assembly, disassembly (segregation), etc.

        And you posit that Americans may not hold an opinion based on _____ or ________ (fill in the blank) or other criteria???

        Are you out of your ——- mind?

        You are insidiously implying the conflation of violence and opinion – racism is not violence.

        Americans, while they may not cause property damage or bodily injury, may be as racist as they choose to be.

        And it is none of your ——- business – it’s a constitutional right and freedom.

        You communists don’t tell Americans whom to accept and whom to reject.

        Even Comrade Dear Leader Jimmy Carter grasped the breadth and scope of constitutional rights and freedoms:

        CARTER DEFENDS ALL‐WHITE AREAS

        By Christopher. Lydon Special to The New York Times

        April 7, 1976

        SOUTH BEND, Ind., April 6 — Jimmy Carter said today that the Federal Government should not take the initiative to change the “ethnic purity” of some urban neighborhoods or the economic “homogeneity” of well‐to‐do suburbs.

        ‘If he wins the Presidency, the Georgia Democrat said at a news conference here, “I’m not ‐going to use the Federal Government’s authority deliberately to circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods.”

        Similarly, he said, “To build a high‐rise, very low‐cost housing unit in a suburban neighborhood or other neighborhoods with relatively expensive homes, I think, would not he in the best interest of the people. who live in the high‐rise or the suburbs.

        “Any exclusion of a family because of race or ethnic background I would oppose very strongly and aggressively as President,” he said. “But think it’s good to maintain the homogeneity of neighborhoods if they’ye been established that way.”

    1. So you’re saying he really is a good 1st amendment supporter. One of the very best on the internet club. A respected Constitutional scholar that really means it and lives it here. He’s a democrat, not a new world disorder psychotic sjw marxist mental case.

      1. No sir, my posts get censored on here all the time and have for years (since law school). He’s respected by trump supporters and other elites, if you ask a lay person who turley is only trump supporters would cite him for his testimony on behalf of trump during impeachment.

        He doesn’t care about the first amendment he cares about attention. Have you not read the story about Jonathan turley where two people call his office and leave a message – a reporter and a student of his… who does jt call back first? The reporter! Duh!

                1. I have a former student who is a convicted murderer. I am hoping they do not let him out. GW let Avenatti in, Kelly Ann Conway is another student of Turley’s.

          1. He never responded, just read the article I linked to.

            Turley cares about getting paid and getting attention – he’s not all that different from trump. A simple but clever con man.

            1. You are carrying a grudge from 22 years ago. And according to the Hachete article he did try to get ahold of you.

              1. Did you not ever read what fellow professors said about turley caring more about self-promotion than scholarship…. it’s not merely students.

                And it’s not me in that article, I’m 28. It shows that Turley was a fraud even before I was born!

                Kellyanne Conway who said alternative facts…. she may have learned that from turley himself as he’s a master at propaganda… Nazis would be impressed with him

                1. I have spent a long time in academia. My mother taught college Engllsh and I taught in college when I started teaching. Jealousy between teachers goes with the job.

                  1. Lol who the hell hired you? Academia in this country isn’t real impressive though, really just spokespersons for the business class

                    1. Anonymous – someone who was desperate for Speech instructor. 😉 It just blossomed from there. 🙂

          2. OTS– aside from learning a lot about the IQ of various people who post on this site, when the rioting ends if the CDC is right, we should see a sharp spike in the number of Covid-19 cases since a riot does not lend itself easily to social distancing. We shall see.

            1. Honest– Good thinking! An accidental real test of the models using lab rats passing as human.

            2. honestlawyer – I think the ChiCom virus is causing us to loss IQ pts. I just read the psychiatrist who examined Ted Kazinski just before his trial. Supposed, when tested as a child and while at Harvard his IQ was between 160 and 170. However, when tested before trial it had dropped to 138.

              Oh, btw, everything Ted warned about in his manifesto has come true. 🙁

              1. Pretrial tests in the interest of the desired effects toward the estimation of the unwanted and hopefully not believed defendant are likely SOP. If no hints are given as to the desired outcome we can safely assume 9 of 10 assigned the task would make certain the number falls to bolster their own required opinion in the matter.
                You already stated how we know this is the case.

                Kazinski was part of the MKultra experimentation at Harvard during his studies.

          3. He wasn’t Turley’s student in the article. In the article it’s plot devised by somebody named Glaze, only problem is:

            ““Glaze said he mentioned in the call that he was not a student of Turley’s. ””
            So do you call back a reporter with a deadline or someone else’s student in a student body of thousands or ten thousands ?

            No you call the reporter with a deadline, and you tell the pranskter, sign up and PAY FOR MY CLASS, you have to BUY MY EXPERTISE, it is capitalism after all…

            Also, I don’t interfere with other professors students.

            Also, the poster LIED.

            “Have you not read the story about Jonathan turley where two people call his office and leave a message – a reporter and *a student of his*… who does jt call back first?

            https://www.gwhatchet.com/1998/10/15/gws-top-talker-comes-under-fire/

            once again…

            QUOTE FROM ARTICLE, 7TH SENTENCE

            “Glaze said he mentioned in the call that he was not a student of Turley’s.”

            JUDGEMENT: Plaintiff is a compulsive liar in his postings about this incident, when so obviously obsessed, he should instead be an expert.

            1. Shakdi D – I agree with you. How do you get butt hurt for 22 years unless you have serial killer tendencies?

          1. Yep, as nutty now as then… Glaze, per your link

            “Glaze said he mentioned in the call that he was not a student of Turley’s. ”

            So Turley doesn’t respond to students first, he calls a reporter with a deadline first. Turley has a brain. A student he can give personal tutoring with in the classroom… before and afterwards

            Problem, it wasn’t his student…. and the person told him that in the phone call.

            I guess all you people are INSANE, literally bonkers, 100% mental. That, or it’s a criminal lying mind.

            Thanks for showing me how stupid you are. My condolences.

        1. I’ve seen your posts for a couple days – you’re a ‘bomb thrower’ not in name only.
          Last night I saw you posted one that threatened Turley’s life.
          Explain to me the 1st amendment on that.

          1. I’ve never threatened turleys or anyone else’s life. I enjoy satire and making others uncomfortable. That’s it.

            This blog is full of sycophants and lunatics that are basically vapid. Like turley

        2. Oh you lied that blatantly – it wasn’t a student of his, and geezer told him so on the phone call, I pulled it directly from your link… on your post below

          ““Glaze said he mentioned in the call that he was not a student of Turley’s. ””

          So you lied, you’ve been lying for 22 years ?

          Turley probably should not be calling other professor’s students back.

          If it’s a large college that’s tens of thousands possibly. It’s also disrespectful to other professors. Students who want turley’s expertise need to PAY and take his class, PAY UP IT’S CALLED CAPITALISM.

  10. President Trump apparently declaring Antifa a terrorist organization.

    About time.

    He waited too long, trusting on feckless subordinates, to make this designation.

    Is he the only person in government capable of making a sound decision and acting on it?

    Seems like.

    1. It became publicly clear yesterday the whole thing was going bonkers – big cities all over the place.
      Trump mentions in tweet(s) 80% were out of staters in Minneapolis ‘last night’ – that it’s organized. So they have the goods/intel/paperwork. It probably took another one or two handful left ( like Fitton and Flynn’s lawyer as another example ) in the bureaucracy to get to that point and not have it all stopped up inside the government itself. When it became clear maybe a bit sooner than publicly things were sideways a few probably stepped up inside the government with enough cover to do so.

      It’s clear to me that’s how things are going down. When the democrats block all sorts of appointments to agency heads and positions for many years and keep Obama’s crew in there and the ~5,000 more SES Obama appointed to the top spots in the agencies (that explain and make the rules and tell the newcomers in the new administration how it all works, the rules etc) when formerly it was 2,000

      “Becoming a member of the SES represents more than a promotion from the grade 15. Many GS-15’s are supervisory of course, but the SES is about executive leadership—they serve just below Presidential appointees and represent a key link between political appointees and civil service employees. SES leaders can be found in 75 federal agencies and are intended to serve as leaders, not technical experts or independent advisors.”

      https://ask.fedweek.com/facts-senior-executive-service-ses/

      The bulk of the current career Senior Executive Service – composed of roughly 7,000 individuals across the executive branch – were appointed to the SES during the past seven years during the Obama administration
      Nearly 70% of SES Are About to Experience Their First Presidential Transition as Executives (Since Obama made it his permanent government army)

    2. He needs to task Seal Team 6 with eliminating the domestic terrorist ANTIFA leadership from their ongoing operation to destabilize the United States.

      War is at hand. Right here, right now. Start punching back.

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