As we have previously discussed, there has been a bizarre denial in the face of Antifa violence throughout the country. It is particularly difficult to understand since one can acknowledge the violence of Antifa groups while recognizing the violence of far right groups. Yet, that does not fit the narrative in this political environment where every allegation seems to be part of a some zero-sum game of blame. The latest example is Professor of Criminology and Terrorism Studies at UMass-Lowell Arie Perliger, who told The Lowell Sun, that there is absolutely no evidence of organized violence by Antifa. The assertion is astonishing given the extensive evidence of such violence for years on the campuses and streets of the country.
Perliger has been marketing his new book, American Zealots: Inside Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism. When asked about left-wing violence by such groups as Antifa, Perliger is immediately dismissive: “As for Antifa, currently there is no evidence that the group was involved in any planned campaign of violent attacks.” He insisted that, while he had studied left-wing groups extensively, “if new data will show differently then, as any reasonable person does, I will need to reevaluate my views.”
I think that such a serious reevaluation in order.
I testified in the Senate on Antifa and its history of violence on our campuses and streets. As I have written, Antifa is indeed more of a movement than a specific organization, but it has members and associated groups. Indeed, it has long been the “Keyser Söze” of the anti-free speech movement, a loosely aligned group that employs measures to avoid easy detection or association. FBI Director Wray told Congress “And we have quite a number — and I’ve said this quite consistently since my first time appearing before this committee — we have any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists and some of those individuals self-identify with Antifa.”
I have repeatedly emphasized that extreme right groups are also responsible for recent violence and Wray made clear that far right violence still dominates in terms of a threat profile. Moreover, I have opposed declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. We have ample laws to deal with such extremist violence from the far left or far right. We do not need to rely on terrorism laws or most recently suggested sedition laws. Yet, Antifa is more than some “idea” and it has a discernible and violent organization. Indeed, the Antifa Handbook discusses how it uses an association of groups, including self-identified Antifa groups, to carry out attacks on critics and those with opposing views.
There are a variety of Antifa groups with long history of organized violence including Rose City Antifa. The RCA is arguably the oldest reference to “Antifa” in the United States was the Rose City Antifa (RCA) in Portland, Oregon. In 2013, various groups that were part of ARA, including RCA, formed a new coordinating organization referred to as the “Torch Network.” I detailed the violence of these groups in my Senate testimony”
“The signature of the group is a self-righteous, rage-fueled violence that parallels the fascistic groups that they claim to oppose. In 2002, ARA activists attacked a neo-Nazi demonstration. Twenty-eight ARA members were arrested but all of the charges were later dropped. In 2005, ARA protested National Socialist Movement (NSM) members in what became known as the 2005 Toledo Riot. Such counter protests by Antifa routinely result in violence. For example, in 2012, ARA members attacked a meeting of the Illinois European Heritage Association with hammers, bats and other weapons. Five members were convicted of assault and other crimes.That same year, almost two dozen members of the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement, part of ARA, broke into the “Fifth Annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet,” a group containing white supremacists and white nationalists.The attack on the Ashford House Restaurant led to criminal convictions of five members. In 2016, a confrontation between neo-Nazi groups and Antifa counter protesters resulted in a violent brawl. Seven people were stabbed and nine others were injured. Although the exact affiliation of each of the victims is unknown, both neo-Nazis and Antifa members were among the victims. In 2017, Antifa members joined an otherwise nonviolent counter protest and attacked five neo-Nazis, kicking, punching, and pepper spraying them until stopped by police. Thirteen individuals were arrested on charges including assault with a deadly weapon, obstructing a police officer, and other violations. On July 13, 2019, an Antifa member showed up at a privately owned ICE detention center and began “throwing incendiary devices at vehicles . . . and attempting to burn down buildings and a propane tank.” He was ultimately killed after pointing a gun at police. Antifa have also attacked journalists, including conservative journalist Andy Ngo, who was punched and hit with bear spray while trying to cover one protest.
Antifa mayhem is well-known to the courts. Violence between Antifa and Alt-Right protestors was addressed in Virginia, where “people were hurt and beaten on both sides” after Antifa members attacked protesters with baseball bats, mace spray, canes, sticks, bricks, bottles, and a metal pipe.The Ninth Circuit recently reversed a lower court that dismissed a battery claim against an Antifa member, who allegedly helped “unnamed assailants who attacked Plaintiff with pepper spray, bear mace, and flag poles, by participating in surrounding Plaintiff and by shining her flashlight in such a way as to enable the direct attacks,” may be liable on an aiding and abetting theory. In Arizona, Antifa members threw rocks, bottles, tear gas, an incendiary device, and a spear-like object at officers who set up a perimeter around a rally held by President Trump.”
Rutgers Professor Mark Bray’s Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook speaks proudly of Antifa’s organized violent history. He makes clear that what Antifa calls “self-defense” includes violence against police or anyone deemed a fascist. In a recent Washington Post opinion editorial criticizing President Trump’s attacks on Antifa as “delegitimizing militant protest,” Bray stated:
“I believe it’s true that most, if not all, members do wholeheartedly support militant self-defense against the police and the targeted destruction of police and capitalist property that has accompanied it this week. I’m also confident that some members of antifa groups have participated in a variety of forms of resistance during this dramatic rebellion.”
Antifa groups, including groups calling themselves Antifa like RCA, have regularly engaged in violence. Bray again describes the attacks during the Trump inauguration as a defining use of violence by the group:
“Fascists in tuxes were pelted with eggs and several MAGA hats set on fire. The next morning, an ‘anti-capitalist and anti-fascist’ black bloc – that is, a mass of anonymous, black-clad militants—set off from Logan Circle to disrupt ‘business as usual,’ while a man whom liberals had bemoaned as a literal fascist was being sworn into the White House. Some of the black bloc, though certainly not all, engaged in target property destruction of corporate enterprises to smash Trump’s ‘façade of legitimacy.’ Most notably, the glass storefronts of Starbucks and Bank of America were rapidly demolished, similar destruction forced a McDonald’s to shut down and ATMS and other corporate property spray-painted or destroyed. The most iconic moment of the day may have been when a limousine was set ablaze.”
Yet, in announcing an extensive study of violent domestic groups, Perliger could find no evidence of organized Antifa violence. It takes an impressive act of willful blindness to ignore the Antifa violence, including the arrest of Antifa supporters allegedly responsible for violent crimes like one of our own GW students.
While Antifa is a collection of groups and individuals, it is both organized and violent. The fact that Antifa regularly resorts to violence reflects its rejection of debate and dialogue with opposing views. Tellingly, the Antifa Handbook starts with the following quote from Buenaventura Durruti: “fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed.”
This is all in same vein as the Michelle O vid, which is severe overreaching and denial of what we can see with our own eyes. I don’t think most people can be fooled at this point.
OKAY . . okay . . . So they’re not wearing ANTIFA T-shirts or hats . . . I guess that means that there’s no such ‘ group ‘ as ANTIFA ?
🙂 No kidding. These same idiots believe that because no one in the Obama administration has been indicted, then they did nothing wrong.
Just what “far right violence” is Turley referring too? The recent violence has been from the far left.
Arie is an Israeli which is not bad in itself but he is a foreigner.
He comes here and tells us who we Americans must fear, who we must fear.
He says fear the redneck, don’t worry about the bomb tossing anarchist.
Well., Ask me if I care any more for what this foreigner says any more than any other foreigner.
I and we will think what we like and we will settle our own political matters among ourselves.
Foreigners always have an agenda: their own national interests.
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A. EDUCATION AND ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS
1. EDUCATION
Golda Meir Post-Doctoral Fellowship, Political Science, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem (2007-
2008).
Ph.D., Political Science, University of Haifa, 2007.
Fields of Specialization: Terrorism and Political Violence
Security Policy and Politics
M.A., Political Science, University of Haifa, 2002 (Magna Cum Laude).
B.A., Political Science and Education, University of Haifa, 2000 (Summa Cum Laude).
2. ACADEMIC EXPERIENCE
Director, Graduate Program in Security Studies, School of Criminology and Justice Studies,
University of Massachusetts Lowell, 2017-current.
Professor, School of Criminology and Justice Studies, University of Massachusetts Lowell, 2016-
current.
Associate Professor, Department of Social Sciences, US Military Academy at West Point, 2013-2016.
Director of Terrorism Studies, Combating Terrorism Center, US Military Academy at West Point,
2010-2016.
Assistant Professor, Department of Social Sciences, US Military Academy at West Point, 2010-2013.
Visiting Assistant Professor, Department of Political Sciencee and Department of History, Stony
Brook University, 2008-2010.
Instructor, Department of Political Science, University of Haifa, 2003-2007.
3. RESEARCH AND TEACHING INTERESTS
Political Violence and Extremism, Security Policy and Politics, Far-Right Politics (Europe, US and Israel),
Political Socialization, Middle Eastern Politics, Research Methodology (SNA).
B. PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES
1. PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION PARTICIPATION – PAPERS PRESENTATIONS/ GUEST
LECTURES / POLICY BRIEFINGS
“Fighting Together? Understanding Bilateral/Multinational Cooperation in The Realm of
Counterterrorism” IEEE International Symposium on Technologies for Homeland Security, April 25-26, 2017,
Waltham, MA.
Arie L. Perliger – Curriculum Vitae
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“Fighting Together? Understanding Bilateral/Multinational Cooperation in The Realm of
Counterterrorism” Midwest Political Science Association Annual Meeting, April 6-9, 2017, IL Chicago.
“The American Far-Right”. Guest Lecture at Tufts University’s Fletcher School of Law and
Diplomacy, Tufts University, February 13, 2017.
“Explaining the Life Cycle of Foreign Fighter,” International Studies Association Annual Meeting, March
16-19, 2016, Atlanta, GA.
“Defining Terrorism,” (Discussant), International Studies Association Annual Meeting, March 16-19, 2016,
Atlanta, GA.
“Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right,” Guest Lecture at the
School of Government and Public Policy, University of Arizona, February 17, 2016, Tucson, AZ.
“Policing Extremism: Law Enforcement Tactics, Surveillance, and Military Interference in Detecting
and Preventing Domestic Terrorism,” National Security and Armed Conflicts Annual Law Review
Conference, University of Miami Law School, University of Miami, Nov. 20, 2015, Miami, FL.
“Civil Wars, Elections, and Political Assassinations,” ISAC-ISSS Annual Conference, October 8-10,
2015, Springfield, MA.
“Security Threats and Israeli Response,” INSS Conference on Israeli Decision-Making in Turbulent Times,
September 30, 2015, Institute for National Strategic Studies at National Defense University,
Washington DC.
“Hezbollah – Current Situation and Future Threats,” Briefing to Faculty at the Command and
General Staff College and Kansas City Joint Terrorism Task Force, June 9, 2015, Fort Leavenworth,
KS.
Briefing to MG Richard D. Clark and the 82nd Airborne Division Staff on Foreign Fighters in Iraq, 1
August 2015, West Point, NY.
“Fighting Together? Understanding Bilateral/Multinational Cooperation in The Realm of
Counterterrorism” International Studies Association Annual Meeting, February 18-21, 2015, New Orleans,
USA.
“What Makes a Terrorist, A New Approach to The Study of Terrorists’ Profiles,” International Studies
Association Annual Meeting, February 18-21, 2015, New Orleans, USA.
Briefing to GEN Joseph L. Votel, SOCOM Commander on Foreign Fighters in Iraq, 22 January
2015, West Point, NY.
Briefing to National Counter-Terrorism Center
JT, You are a smart guy but don’t seem to “get it”. When fighting evil racist, fascist types like Donald Trump (or his ilk) anything goes. That’s why it is ok if the MSM selectively reports on events involving BLM or the Brave Masked Wonderful Warriors of Antifa ™ and describes their activities as “mostly peaceful”, Same with downplaying the glorious revolutionary activities of Antifa. So what if they are burning and rioting? They are building a better world so anything goes. As Comrade Lenin said, “One has to break a few eggs to make an omelet”.
antonio
Professor Turley, I respect your work, particularly on free speech. BUT, if you keep criticizing the Brave Masked Wonderful Warriors of Antifa ™, I won’t be surprised to read about you getting a visit from those cretins. Hope you have a concealed carry permit. Hate to tell you, your past and otherwise liberal record and views will be of no help when BLM, Antifa or some plain dindu come calling.
antonio
any – So if the man tells the truth about these anarchist and Marxist “wonderful warriors” he’s in danger of a visit from them? That sounds like a threat to me Bud. Are you serious?
@jeffreysilberman
Hey, its in their name, right? Antifa is “antifacist” and what they do is good and righteous.
Of course a problem with that is they define “facist” as basically anyone who disagrees with their dystopian communist view of the world.
Just admit you oppose free speech and support antifa. Would respect you more if you were honest enough to come out and say it. Of course, you won’t because that it a bridge too far for most. You’ll just call me a slur.
antonio
Slur
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The worst thing in the nation is the criminal prosecution of the McCloskeys in St. Louis.
They had a right to tell at the trespassers and war mongers who invaded their private property and a tight to bear arms. First and Second Amendment rights.
The rittenhouse prosecution may be much worse.
The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Understanding that the American Founders restricted immigration to “…free white person(s)…” with certificates from their religious societies testifying to their good character, one ponders how these adverse, unassimilable boorish and barbarian elements obtained entry.
Your boss has left this country in a rather staggering mess, JT.
Violence, whether it be through the FBI cited alt right driven, white supremacy movement, or the much more loosely organized Antifa movement is beyond problematic. First things first though…, it’s time to get a skank off the couch in the Oval office. There is a president who condones violence by one side, criticizes it from another and functions entirely from a divisive strategic objective. The president himself is a clear and present danger to the country. His dystopian inauguration address, written largely by a guy just diagnosed with covid, and spoken by someone diagnosed and hospitalized with covid after being impeached for extorting a foreign country for illegal help in a domestic election, has proven to be not so much a vision of a far off future but rather a campaign promise.
The president is the alligator closest to the boat. He has to go. And your ‘both sidism’ is just furthering the problem, Turley.
Where is this alt-right driven FBI cited violence you speak of ?
The last consequential act of violence from the extreme right was the OKC bombing – and that was condemned by most of the extreme right groups you hate.
When was the last lynching in the US ?
When the KKK came to protest the removal of the Lee statute in Charlotte – they were only able to muster 8 people.
I can go to my own small city and find windows smashed and dumpster fires and other destruction and assaults by the left.
Where in the US has there been actual violence by the extreme right ?
When was the last neo nazi riot ?
Take it up with the FBI. Charlottesville checks off a lot of the boxes you’re looking for. As does Kyle Rittenhouse. There were ‘legal’ lynchings in Kentucky until the ’50’s. And apparently one this summer in Georgia.
The ‘nothing going on here’ schtick just doesn’t work, John.
At Charlottesville a lot of racists showed up for a lawful rally. Before it began they got attacked by ANTIFA et al., having been funneled by police into an antiracist “counterprotest” that was actually a riot just waiting for the bad guys to show up. They duked it out plenty against each other before the police got active and sent them away without allowing them to rally in the way they had obtained a permit to do so.
As the racists retreated, the antiracists pressed the attacks. Then, one mentally ill, scared young guy freaked out when they attacked his car with bats, and ran people over and a lady died as a consequence. He is now in prison. This one act of homicide after a day of chaos from the Left aided and abetted from the police does not qualify in the slightest bit as terror. Unless you mean terror from the left, which was busy cancelling other people’s right of free speech and assembly with organized violence all day long.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/us/charlottesville-riots-failures-review/index.html
House Passes Rose’s Bill to Require Terrorist Threat Assessment of Foreign Violent White Supremacist Extremist Groups
Violence by white supremacist extremists in the U.S. have been increasingly linked to groups, individuals, and movements abroad
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Washington, September 30, 2020
Tags: National & Homeland Security, Fighting for First Responders
Watch Rose’s floor speech on the legislation HERE.
The House of Representatives today passed Congressman Max Rose’s Transnational White Supremacist Extremism Review Act (H.R. 5736), which would direct the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to develop and disseminate a terrorist threat assessment of foreign violent white supremacist extremist groups.
“The homeland security threat posed by white supremacist extremists is pervasive and it is persistent,” said Rose on the House floor today prior to passage. “And extremists exploit such crises as we are in right now—often, this involves the targeting of the most vulnerable in society. Earlier this year, the Directors of the FBI and National Counterterrorism Center testified before our Committee regarding the unrelenting nature of bad actors during times like these. Both testified to the significant homeland security threat posed from racially-motivated domestic actors—primarily white supremacist extremists. In my capacity as chair of the Intelligence and Counterterrorism Subcommittee, I have joined with my colleagues to raise the alarm about this threat. In carrying out my work on the Committee, I have identified a common theme—and that is plain and simple—that this white supremacist ‘domestic’ terrorist problem is in fact not domestic at all. It is global in nature.”
Researchers and experts have observed that the threat posed by violent white supremacist extremism is increasingly transnational in nature. Some white supremacist extremists have even traveled abroad to train in warzone environments: by one estimate, 17,000 individuals from 50 countries have traveled to battlefields in Ukraine to train and fight, including white supremacist extremists seeking training from neo-Nazi militant groups. In January 2020, Federal authorities arrested a Canadian national, a recruiter for a violent white supremacist extremist group, as he was allegedly planning violence at a gun rights rally in Richmond, Virginia.
Violence by white supremacist extremists in the United States has been increasingly linked to groups, individuals, or movements abroad. Some individuals, like the perpetrators of 2019 attacks in El Paso, TX targeting Latinos and other people of color and Poway, CA targeting Jewish worshipers, drew inspiration from white supremacist attacks abroad. Others are members of groups that have formed networks to communicate and train, and in several cases have carried out acts of violence in the United States.
Rose continued, “Countering white supremacy will require a whole of society approach—education, awareness, and so on. Through our work on this committee, we have found that Americans stay safest when law enforcement—at all levels—is equipped with the best available information. This bill makes sure that our frontline responders in the law enforcement community have just that.”
At a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing earlier this month, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Christopher Wray testified that testified that “racially motivated violent extremism,” mostly from white supremacists, has made up a majority of domestic terrorism threats in recent years and that the FBI is currently pursuing “a good bit north of 1,000” domestic terrorism investigations this year.
As Chair of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence and Counterterrorism, Rose has been a leader in confronting the threat of white supremacist extremism. Earlier this year, Rose introduced a bipartisan resolution recognizing the global threat transnational white supremacist extremism presents to America and urging the U.S. Department of State to designate qualifying violent foreign white supremacist groups as Foreign Terrorist Organizations. In April, the State Department heeded Rose’s call and, for the first time in history, designated a foreign white supremacist group, the Russian Imperial Movement (RIM), along with three of its leaders, as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity.
In a recent hearing chaired by Rose, Administration officials testified that that neo-Nazi organizations pose significant threats and that designating them as Foreign Terrorist Organizations would give more tools to law enforcement to protect from those threats. Earlier this year, Rose penned a column in the New York Times with former FBI agent Ali Soufan on the threats posed by transnational violent white supremacist groups interconnected through networks here at home and across the world.
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Wow! So house democrats want to send the country on a snipe hunt ?
Your long post rants alot. But where is the actual threat ?
I look arround the US and all the violence I see is from the left.
You want to address these other groups – where is their violence ?
Further with specific reference to white supremecist groups:
These are actually LEFT groups. Nazi’s are LEFT, Fascist are LEFT.
They are SOCIALIST
I am not sure where the KKK is but they are certainly not proponents of individual liberty and limited government.
Jim Crow as an example was the work of LEFT progressive DEMOCRATS.
Next, really ? I would be shocked if the KKK and all US white supremecist groups together have as many members as Antifa Portland.
Why are we wasting our time chasing snipes and terrifying people of non-existant threats.
There is at this moment no consequential white supremecist threat in the US.
That could and likely will change – if the LEFT continues its idiocy.
The Nazi party in germany was born of exactly the chaos that the left is trying to sew today.
If you want to disempower white supremecists – bring the violent left under countrol
Amen
“Take it up with the FBI.”
Since when is the FBI credible ?
“Charlottesville checks off a lot of the boxes you’re looking for.”
It does ? How so ?
Accepting that many of those participating in the unite the right march may have been “white supremecists” and anti-semites.
They did not start the violence. They asked for and got a legitimate permit to parade. They were then forced by the mayor and governor to match a gantlet of rabid left wing nuts who pelted them with stones and water bottles and urine and baseball bats.
Look at all the pictures – the fighting is all inside the march route – i.e. all the fighting is between marchers and counter protestors who jumped fences to start a fight with marchers. Had the police and government done their jobs – there would be no violence.
As to mr fields – the mentally ill guy in the charger – the violence was STILL initiated by the left who was bashing his car with bats long before he drove into a crowd.
And Charlottesville is the best you can do ?
” As does Kyle Rittenhouse.”
How So ? Rittenhouse was invited to Kenosha by a friend to protect his property from looting violence and arson that was already occuring.
Rittenhouse was a medic and provided emergency medical services to numerous people prior to being chased by a left wing thug with a violent criminal record who thought Rittenhouse was a different person. That thug was shot Charging Rittenhouse, and trying to take his rifle away from him. Rittenhouse then tried to provide medical care and call 911 but was told to get out by a reporter before he got killed by the mob. He left to find his way to police. Was accosted twice more by people with criminal records who attacked him. He was beaten and sht from the ground as a left wing nut convivted criminal with a gun tried to kill him. He finally made it to the police and asked for protection and tried to turn himself in – and they told him to leave. He finally turned himself in at the police station in his home.
There is massive amounts of video of this entire event. There are not secrets here. Rittenhouse has no affiliation with any right wing or militia groups. There were no militias or right wing groups at Kenosha. There was just several nights of violent rioting and arson in which some left wing nut idiot criminal decided to go after the wrong person who tried to flea and couldn’t and eventually was forced to defend himself.
This is your idea of right wing violence ?
“There were ‘legal’ lynchings in Kentucky until the ’50’s.”
It is not the 50’s that was 70 years ago. I would also note that was DEMOCRATS.
“And apparently one this summer in Georgia.” Apparently is not evidence – facts.
“The ‘nothing going on here’ schtick just doesn’t work, John.”
I will be happy to address this as long as you wish.
If you were actually right about every claim you have made – right wing violence would be a drop in the bucket compared to that of the left.
But you are actually wrong. about EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE.
You seem to be one of the “its OK to punch a Nazi” crowd.
It is NOT
Mr. Fields is actually responsible for his actions with his care in Charlotte – and everyone else who was there is too.
If you were in Charlotte and you were on the wrong side of the police barrier – you are a thug and a criminal.
Regardless of whether you are on the right or left, and regardless of whether your victim was a Nazi or KKK member.
You are a criminal even if you attacked someone who was itching for a fight with you.
You (and they) have free speech rights. You can call them whatever heinous things you wish, and they can call you names back.
But when you cross a police line to attack them – you are a violent criminal. And that is true no matter what side of the aisle you are on.
The reality TODAY – not in 1950, is that the violence is nearly all from the left. And it has been universally initiated by the left.
We had violent riots in DC right after Trump was elected. Bricks were thrown and cars burned.
When Obama was elected a million Tea Party protestors came to the mall to protest and they left the mall cleaner than they found it.
No one was attacked, no windows were broken.
More recently lockdown protestors marched with guns to state capitals to demand and end to this nonsense.
The did so peacefully, again no one was harmed and not a shot was fired, no property was damaged.
The left has protested/rioted and dozens of people have been killed. There has been billions of dollars in property damage, and idiots like you spray baseless nonsense that Kyle Rittenhouse is an alt-right militia member.
In your left wing nut world defending your self or your property makes you an alt right wing nut.
This is simple – protest all you want. Protest whatever you want. Do not loot, do not engage in arson. do not engage in violence do not destroy anything.
If you can not follow those rules you must go to jail – as a criminal. Because that is what you are.
And thus far that is all on the left.
There is a candidate who condems actual violence and one that does not – but you are totally blind to which is which.
As to “by sides” – WHERE is the violence by the right ?
I will be happy to condemn – and Trump actually has condemned violence by the right – if I could find it.
The Violence in the US during the Trump presidency has been by those on the left in cities that have been run by the left for all my lifetimes, about putative misconduct by police forces that were hired and managed by the left.
The violence we are seeing as well as the causes of that violence – whether you accept the claims of the left or the right rest firmly with those on the LEFT.
Why are republican presidents and senators responsible for much of anything in democratic states and cities
You want control of the country ? You can not even run a small town dog catcher’s office.
Fix the cities (and states) you have run into the ground for decades. Prove you are capable.
Words have actual meaning.
Trump has gotten the US out of conflicts across the globe.
He has brought greater peace to the Mideast.
You say Trump has not condemned right wing violence ? WHAT VIOLENCE ?
We have seen billions of dollars in damages in the past 6 months – no one on the right involved.
We have seen spikes in crime, shooting of police, shooting of minorities by minorities. Not a white supremist in sight.
You are right there is far too much violence and it needs condemned – but there is not even token violence on the right. There is no parity here.
This is YOUR problem. This is YOUR violence. YOU own it.
“Fire the prosecutor going after the business my Son is profiting from, or I will torch a billion dollars in aid” – that is extortion – why no impeachment there ?
Are you paying any attention. The EVIDENCE is that Russia helped Clinton attempt to frame Trump in an effort to win the election for Clinton.
The Trump/Russia collusion is a delusion. Russia did not help Trump.
I am not selling “both sidism” – the US problem with violence is nearly entirely on the left.
Todate there has been no violence from the right, and I do not expect any soon.
But keep this up and eventually you will get it.
When the government does not protect our rights our property. When the government allows violence without consequence eventually it is the right of the people to rise up and defend themselves and their property and their rights.
Keep this up and you will see JUSTIFIED violence from the right against those on the left engaged in violence without consequence.
Here is a scene from 2020. A little mob of ANTIFA chasing a small number of men down the street, illegally cancelling their right of free speech and assembly, openly engaging in assault and battery
One “right winger” turns around and flattens a heroin addict in black with one punch.
ANTIFA registers this act of self defense after much provocation as an act of “terror,” and they count their own crimes as “peaceful protest”
that’s 2020 in a nutshell
Rittenhouse is another example of someone who had as much right to be on the street as anyone, attacked with molotov cocktail, running away, who got tired and turned heel and just popped his attackers where they stood. Two dead and one minus a bicep. Good for Rittenhouse! I laud him with fulsome praise, a true American!
I welcome ten thousand more Rittenhouses to take to the streets and exercise their rights of free speech and assembly. Law and order needs the citizens to arise!
sorry forget the link
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/08/24/antifa-protester-gets-punched-out-after-hitting-man-with-wooden-shield/
and God bless the gay Vietnamese American man ANDY NGO for capturing so many of the antifa crimes on tape.
Here is a guy who has BAAAALLLLLLZ OF AN ELEPHANT to go out there time after time and make a difference! A true citizen journalist and himself a true American!
check him out on twitter, ANDY NGO
Rittenhouse got cornered, Legitimately though he was being shot at, and was absolutely being attacked.
At the time of he fired his first shots the left wing nut criminal thug that was chasing him and confused him with someone else had grabbed the barrel of his gun.
There is massive amounts of rittenhouse video.
For one thing that was a crew of reporters following his attacker and him right up to the moment of the first shooting.
They have the whole thing from multiple angles.
As the good professor is demonstrating, one never finds what one isn’t looking for.
Democrats are not only unafraid of The Big Lie, they are on first name basis with it. Pretty much every word that proceedeth out of their yaps is a Big Lie.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Keep Calm and Carry.
Honestly does it matter ?
We are seeing rioting looting. arson assaults. Sometimes they are targeted, sometimes they are wonton.
Identify those who committ acts of violence and jail them.
The disturbing part of the litany of antifa violent acts was that in so many cases the violent actors were not punished.
Right, left – I do not care.
Beleive whatever you want, but act violently, and go to jail for your crimes.
I have zero problems accepting that Antifa is a violent organization.
But I do not need to in order to try convict and imprison those who commit violent criminal acts.
I do not care what their beleifs are. I care what their acts are.
That said to the extent that we care about what drives violence in the US today it is at this time inarguably the left.
Is it specifically antifa ? Does it matter ? It is extremists on the left who have taken over leftist protests and turned them to violence.
If you let BLM and antifa off the hook – the ideation of the violence is STILL from the left.
This is not right wing groups causing violence. This is violence from the left.
Violence, is actively being promoted by the left and not just by low life but also by leaders within the democrat party (also low life). When a governor or mayor of a city doesn’t protect its citizens and essentially provides the license to riot one can accurately say that democrat leaders are promoting rioting, looting and the destruction of cities.
But this goes further, right to the top of the democrat party. The bailout project is bailing out perpetrators of violence. Biden has only made weak generalizations against violence, nothing against Antifa or BLM who are behind the violence. His own VP candidate openly supports bailing out the criminals and looters. In fact members of her team have participated in bailing out these thugs. The bailout project has led to released criminals reoffending with criminal activity, battery and murder. Not all that different from the Brown Shirts.
It’s quite simple: those of you that lose your cool over Antifa, are pro fascists.
You are against ANTI fascists, therefore YOU ARE PRO FASCIST.
It doesn’t matter how you dress it up. That’s the way it is, plain and simple.
Take a long hard look in the mirror.
Olaf, you seem easily confuse by words that aren’t that big.
Oh for the lack of a ‘d’.
Oh, for a lack of intellect. Keep crying about how you were robbed of your brains.
A condition for which you are clearly an expert.
Anyone can read our respective postings. Aside from my dealings with you most of mine have significant content. Almost nothing you have said is meaningful. You are worthless. You stay on the blog from early morning (before I even open my computer) to late at night long after my computer is closed. That upsets you because you are undressing yourself in front of the public.
Ha. Allan doesn’t realize he’s talking to one of many Anonymous’ on this site. But to him we all look the same.
Anonymous keeps running away from who he is. It’s a liar who screws up his arguments all the time. It uses the anonymous name so it can blame another anonymous or so it can pat itself on the back because it needs group approval.
Everyone already knows this. It will even pretend knowledge based on reading scientific journals. When presented with the WHO release by me and the other release by John it was totally obvious that Anonymous was winging everything. It is a fraud and a charlatan.
Now it can go back and continue crying ‘it was the other Anonymous who made me buy that dress.’
Allan is obsessed with “Anonymous.”
Allan is abusive. Allan is a bully.
Allan is a fraud and a charlatan
Allan is who Allan says he is. One identity and consistent. I don’t blame a bunch of other fictitious ghosts as a way out which is the Anonymous modus operandi.
Allan defends himself. Anonymous acts like a bully and creates multiple anonymous’s so that a pack can attack a single individual. Anonymous fails.
Anonymous is obsessed with having the members of this community believe he is normal. He isn’t.
Bahahhahhaahahah!! Put your blinders back on.
Define Fascist.
News at 11! Nazi’s under every bush!!!!
Are you serious ?
Where are these fascists you are terrified by ?
Trump has ended oppresive regulations and gotten the state further out of our hair. He has gotten the US out of foreign wars, not into them.
Do you know what an actual facist is ?
One of the huge problems with the extreme left is that the are what they oppose.
Antifa is fascist. BLM is racist.
I keep getting told that Trump is an authoritarian and fascist by people who want government to control everything.
Do any of you have the slightest clue about the political values of actual fascists ?
He has written a couple papers on far right terrorism while denying ANTIFA’s involvement. To date there’s been no proof of far right involvement rioting, looting, endangering the lives of police and burning businesses. This professor obviously has tunnel vision.
That’s hilarious!
I guess you don’t do much reading.
You read about it, I live it! Trust me there’s no hilarity about it.
These professors are a apart of the ANTI/HATE TRUMP radical left who deny there is Antifa/Violence and etc. They are hard core left wing radicals. I saw these same professors when I went to College. This is where they can exist and get paid for their Radical beliefs. U Mass is a good place to find them, I am a graduate of U Mass.
1984.
I’m just curious, Professor, do you suppose your admonition to challenge hate speech with more speech would have stopped Ernst Rohm and his Brownshirts? Answer the hard question- at what point can those opposing fascism resign themselves that good speech is unavailing and action is necessary?
First, please define good and bad speech. I’ll wait….
That’s irrelevant. The question is when is it justifiable to conclude that more speech is useless and that people have to take action? Turley would have one think that German Jews should have simply kept trying to persuade Nazis their persecution was a bad idea until it was too late to do otherwise. Had there been a Jewish Antifa during the Weimar Republic, things may have turned out differently. I’m sure someone will point out that the Communists fought the Brownshirts in the streets and lost, but the point is that good speech proved insufficient.
“do you suppose your admonition to challenge hate speech”
You are the one who used “hate speech”. Seems you want to challenge something that you have no definition for. You want to trigger physical response based on what?
Silverman who is most likely jewish is pro antifa. the Israeli in question seems to be a little pro antifa too.
Now if one notices the abundance of Jewish names arrested in antifa protests, one is tempted to think maybe they are popular with SOME jewish peoiple surely not all our good friends and neighbors but SOME.
One can call me a name for saying so, but it’s obvious and is no secret to them.
Anyhow, I found an interesting article about how “jewish antifa” handles Anti-zionism and antisemitism. It’s complicated see, when we find out that a lot of the Israel-hating BDS people are actually jewish. Here the fellow will try and explain. back from 2017. Pardon me, it’s all quite confusing, one has to have a facile mind to keep these threads organized, when they are so entangled!
https://www.cjnews.com/news/international/anti-fascist-anti-israel-jewish-antifa-talks-views-israel-jews
ANTI-FASCIST AND ANTI-ISRAEL; JEWISH ANTIFA TALKS VIEWS ON ISRAEL AND JEWS
By Evan Balgord – November 22, 2017
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for my part, I support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state in its location. I am NOT with BDS.
Moreover I consider Israel a national ally of America.
That being said, I would not care too much what a Frenchman had to say to me about Antifa–
Nor am I going to be listening to Mr Arie whatsisname tells me what to think about American antifa.
“Anyhow, I found an interesting article about how “jewish antifa” handles Anti-zionism and antisemitism. It’s complicated see, when we find out that a lot of the Israel-hating BDS people are actually jewish.”
Simple. Mostly they hate themselves and are quite superficial
Simple. Mostly they hate themselves and are quite superficial
No, they hate Israel and think well of themselves. Israel survives and prospers by the cultivation of virtues they can never have.
DSS, what you see is the phony superficial cr-p. Many of them have real identification problems. Hating Israel has more to do with acceptance into a community by denying what they are.
Israel surrounded by enemies has been listed as one of the happiest places. Technologically they are incredible.
Israel is quite accomplished. These people resent the accomplishments of others.
Israeli technology is in much of the technology we all use daily. As an example Waze is Israeli and Google bought the rights to Waze for its app to get us from one place to the next. One could spend hours listing their technological advances. The US benefits in many ways fromIsrael’s existence including US security.
You know NOTHING about Jews in Warsaw. Read some history before inserting foot in mouth.
Yes, this is the question. The way that this blog ends is by quoting the handbook, which says that fascism is not to be debated, etc. By leaving it there, Turley implies that fascism (and other violent racist ideologies) is to be debated. Is it? He never addresses this squarely.
ha ha so now you guys are saying Turley is perhaps a racist or a fascist. .Wow. See that Turley? of course he prolly never reads the comments.
I am a big fan of Lex Fridman’s podcast. now there is a jewish guy a like, And he has other Jewish guys on I like too. Math, physics, and artificial intelligence topics.
Lex is also a jiu jitsu player. He was on Joe Rogan’s podcast and Joe said, Lex, I told you not to read the comments! Lex said, I should have listened
When you have a popular blog– the rule is, never read the comments!
You respond to speech with speech, to violence with violence.
You do not conflate speech with violence.
IF you are familiar with fascism it is just a nationalist version of Socialism.
It is not accidental that NAZI means national socialism. Nor that Mussollini was a socialist.
Regardless fascism is an ideology and it can be debated, discussed etc.
When people – regardless of politics resort to violence – THEN and only THEN do who respond to them with violence.
Are you afraid that you can not debate a fascist and win ? I am not.
No need to define speech because those who embrace violence have little interest in either civil discourse or free speech, and Mr. Silberman’s premise is flawed. Hitler did not come to power through violence; he was legally appointed Chancellor, then used parliamentary means to accumulate more power and governmental institutions like the police to suppress dissent. At the time, many greeted the suppression of the Communists because they viewed him as establishing order in Germany after the chaotic years of the Weimar Republic.
As for the Brown Shirts, one of Hitler’s first actions after assuring his control of the government was to rid himself of Rohm & domesticate the SA.
The SA was organized to protect NSDAP meetings from Communist attacks. All the major parties in Weimar Germany had their own militias.
Same question re those opposing the totalitarian Left?
Violence is perpetrated by individuals. Arrest these individuals and put them away for a long time. Problem solved. Is that so hard?
Magna Carta, 1776, etc….. How many of you people have succumb to being some billionaires slaves?
You’re fools if you do!
Ever hear of the Viet Cong? How about the KKK? Or the Loyal Leagues? The Brown Shirts?
REPEAT arrest and prosecture the individuals that are violent.