Schiff v. Ratcliffe: DNI Reports That Hunter Biden’s Laptop Is Not Believed To Be Part Of A Russian Disinformation Campaign

Recently, we discussed how House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff stated publicly that the recently disclosed laptop information from Hunter Biden was clearly part of a Russian intelligence operation. Schiff said that “we know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin.” This morning, John Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence, stated categorically that Hunter Biden’s laptop was not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.  What is most notable is that Ratcliffe has stated that Schiff and his Committee have not been given any intelligence to support Schiff’s conclusion.  The incident has raised lingering criticism of Schiff who previously told the public that he had clear evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia after that allegation was rejected in repeated investigations, including Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Schiff never produced the incriminating evidence and later it was shown that the widely cited Steele dossier was based on a source who was considered to be a Russian agent.

There is ample reason to suspicious about the timing of this disclosure. However, I have written that this serious concern is separate from the question of whether the emails are fabricated. The Biden campaign has not given the most obvious responses to such a scandal. It is important to keep in mind that Hillary Clinton and the DNC were actually hacked by Russian intelligence but the underlying emails were true.

Schiff now finds himself, again, in the position of supporting a claim of evidence of Russian collusion. He will have to show that this laptop discovery was engineered by Russian intelligence.  If the owner is speaking the truth, the computer was dropped off in April 2019 with the intent to be used in the 2020 campaign.

Ratcliffe stated in an interview that

“it’s funny that some of the people that complained the most about intelligence being politicized are the ones politicizing intelligence and unfortunately in this case, it is Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who as you pointed out on Friday said that the intelligence community believes that Hunter Biden’s laptop and e-mails on it are part of some Russian disinformation campaign. Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true.”

Ratcliffe accused Schiff of politicizing intelligence and stated “Don’t drag the intelligence community into this. Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign and I think it’s clear the American people know that.”

Schiff should explain the basis for his conclusion that this is part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Someone is clearly misrepresenting the intelligence and the public should know the basis for these irreconcilable statements.

452 thoughts on “Schiff v. Ratcliffe: DNI Reports That Hunter Biden’s Laptop Is Not Believed To Be Part Of A Russian Disinformation Campaign”

  1. Turley tweets: “Schiff should explain the basis for his conclusion that this is part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Someone is clearly misrepresenting the intelligence and the public should know the basis for these irreconcilable statements.”

    Schiff tweets: “Anticipating the harsh judgment of history, Trump’s enablers are lashing out. At everyone. It will be said that when they found they lacked the courage to confront the most dangerous, unethical president in American history, they consoled themselves by attacking those who did.”

    Turley, by Schiff’s standard, is an enabler of “the most dangerous, unethical president in American history.”

    Add the opinion of Kamala Harris: “Democratic vice-presidential nominee Kamala Harris called the Trump administration’s response to the growing coronavirus pandemic ‘the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country’.”

    The greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country? Will it be fair for objective Trump historians to compare his Covid-19 record with the failure of Bush and Biden on a falsified war in Iraq?

    “The second survey published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006.”

    And from a Wikipedia article on the financial cost of the Iraq War:

    “Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008. Stiglitz has stated: “The figure we arrive at is more than $3 trillion. Our calculations are based on conservative assumptions…Needless to say, this number represents the cost only to the United States. It does not reflect the enormous cost to the rest of the world, or to Iraq.””

    1. good point maxson

      there’s another book by stiglitz called “discontents of globalism” or something like that which identifies some of the reasons why Trump got so much support for his fair trade policy
      but he wrote it back in 2002

      stiglitz was in Clinton’s admin which signed nafta, but he could see where the NAFTA was failing to deliver for regular americans

      i have shared this here before but there is zero interest from Democrats in the discussion about fair trade versus free trade and why the big money importers and exporters of america mostly hate donald’s guts and why

      might as well be talking to my pet rock!

      1. Thanks, Mr. Kurtz, and good link.

        Folks like Stiglitz are one of the reasons I alternate between Trump on the Republican side and Sanders on the Democratic Socialist side.

        Obama is gearing up to campaign for Biden in PA, as he campaigned for Hillary in 2016. A compelling speech from Senator Sanders could probably do more to keep me in Biden’s camp:

  2. The AP reports Biden attended his home Roman Catholic Church in New Castle last Sunday. Wonder if he heard this homily? Wonder if Diane Feinstein caught it?

    When you float religion above your head like a banner and beseech all to see, you’d better expect the experts to call you out on it when you don’t live up to the tenets. Fr. Michael O’Connor sends out the first flare reminding us of the “Story of Caesar’s Coin” found in Matthew and pointing up the moral bankruptcy of Joe Biden, You don’t have to buy the religiosity to believe in the Western ethos of despising hypocrisy:

    1. What I seen/heard on AC Barrett last week she seems very solid & the religion/kid stuff helps. And since seen Prof Turley mention what’s called Controlling Case Law, I’m not sure but perhaps that’s why she ruled the way she did on the Illinois case?

      But to my relief I hear 3 or 4 justices are completely against Mandatory Vaccines & Prez Trump came out the other day & said he would not support Mandatory Vaccines. ( My guess Trump heard from a very large group of Americans that would have nothing to do with Mandatory Vaccines)

      So for now millions of us are back supporting Trump & is pick Barrett.

  3. ‘Hunter Biden was 21 yrs old when he got a 6-figure consulting gig w MBNA, then one of the largest credit card cos in the USA. Joe Biden was working on legislation to make it near impossible for consumers to discharge c/c debt in bankruptcy.

    Wonder what the pmt to Hunter was for?’ @thechrisbuskirk

  4. Oh well, the whole HunterGate thingy needs an Irish Poem! Because all stupid drughead Hunter had to do was go by, pay the bill, and pick up the stuff. But nooooo!

    Fall Into One’s Laptop???
    An Irish Poem by Squeeky Fromm

    There once was a laptop – a “Mac”!
    Who the Russians did NOT need to hack – – –
    ‘Cause Hunter was broke,
    From buying his coke!
    Can you say “Palm meet forehead!” and “Smack!”???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  5. Should Hunter Biden be in Jail? Another Look at the Oglala Sioux Indian Tribe Securities Fraud Case

    ‘There’s a mystery about to unfold about Hunter Biden’s connection to an Indian bond fraud scheme that happened from 2014-15, for which some business associates of Hunter Biden have gone to federal prison.

    Bottom line: Hunter Biden followed his partner, Devon Archer, into bed with some unabashed Wall Street fraud merchants.

    No ifs, ands, or buts — Hunter Biden laid down with dogs and now he’s got fleas.’

      1. ‘BREAKING: Hunter Biden’s former business partner Bevan Cooney has flipped. He was jailed over a bond scheme, and has connected with journalists @MatthewTyrmand and @PeterSchweizer. Turned over access to his Gmail account.’

        ‘As should be clear to all by now, Hunter Biden was an obvious target for honeypot operations from foreign intelligence agencies. Exhibits every classic indicator + high-level placement and access. And there is there there.’ @jackposobiec

        1. Joe Biden is a national security risk who should never be within 10 feet of the Oval Office. Joe Biden is disqualified. Joe Biden’s corrupt family business activities have disqalified him as a national security threat. American’s best interests have been compromised by Joe Biden’s corrupt pay for play foreign dealings.

  6. Wait a minute! What is this “Ratcliffe vs Schiff” stuff??? Let’s rephrase it the way the Democrats and MSM do!

    Seventeen Intelligence Agencies say that the Hunter Biden LaptopGate scandal is NOT a Russian disinformation campaign!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter


    President Trump attacked Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease specialist, as “a disaster” on Monday and said, despite experts’ warnings that the nation was headed toward another peak in the coronavirus outbreak, that people were “tired” of hearing about the virus and wanted to be left alone.

    The president issued his first broadsides against Dr. Fauci on Monday morning during a call with campaign staff that reporters listened in on, but then amplified them on Twitter and in remarks to reporters after landing in Arizona for a pair of rallies.

    “People are tired of hearing Fauci and these idiots, all these idiots who got it wrong,” Mr. Trump said in the call with campaign staff, which began with his campaign manager, Bill Stepien, talking about the Republican ground game and other factors that he said supported Mr. Trump’s path to victory.

    Mr. Trump also called Dr. Fauci a “nice” guy, but he said, “He’s been here for 500 years,” and added, “Every time he goes on television, there’s always a bomb, but there’s a bigger bomb if you fire him. This guy’s a disaster.”

    The attack on Dr. Fauci comes as the United States has seen more coronavirus cases — over 8 million — and more deaths — nearly 220,000 — than any other nation in the world. The president’s advisers have tried to get him to lay off the infectious diseases specialist, who remains popular.

    It also comes after Dr. Fauci, in an interview with “60 Minutes” that aired on Sunday, dismissed the president’s claim that the end of the pandemic was just around the corner. Dr. Fauci said during the interview that he was not surprised that Mr. Trump had contracted the virus, citing the failure to take basic precautions at White House events, including the announcement of Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s nomination to the Supreme Court.

    Edited From: “Trump Calls Fauci A ‘Disaster’ And Dismisses Fears About The Still Raging Coronavirus”

    Today’s Washington Post



    “The attack on Dr. Fauci comes as the United States has seen more coronavirus cases — over 8 million — and more deaths — nearly 220,000 — than any other nation in the world. The president’s advisers have tried to get him to lay off the infectious diseases specialist, who remains popular”.

    It is obvious to anyone outside the rightwing bubble that the Hunter Biden story is nothing but a ridiculous distraction from the seriousness of this pandemic. Trump’s mismanagement of this disaster will baffle historians. And here Trump expects us to believe that Dr Fauci, of all people, should be the target of our outrage!

  8. BREAKING NEWS……..Bigfoot and the Easter Bunny have shared their personal recordings with Santa Claus and they have verified they are in possession of video tapes and audio recordings of Hunter Biden playing with the Loch Ness monster in the lake without water-wings or life preserver. Also according to unnamed sources that in the video of Mr. Biden playing with Nessie, visitors from the planet WTF can be seen writing checks to the Biden campaign. Bigfoot, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus have been asked to come forward with the tapes but have declined and have returned to a undisclosed location. The visitors from WTF could not be reached for comment.

    1. CNN Chief Legal Analyst pulled his d*ck out and was masturbating on a work Zoom call. CNN didn’t fire him. CNN gave him vacation time to handle some personal issues.

      1. It was for his work at the New Yorker mag. Toobin got suspended. What does it take for one of these bozo’s to get fired?

  9. Trump put DNI Ratcliffe in office because previous occupants of the office would tell the truth rather than back up Trump’s lies. Trump tasked DNI Ratcliffe with selectively declassifying documents to help Trump and hurt his adversaries. DNI Ratcliffe is contradicting John Durham who says there will be no indictments in the investigation into the investigation.

    So DNI Ratcliffe tells us something two weeks before an election which is designed to help Trump and we are supposed to believe him? Why?

      1. JFK was assassinated by agents of the CIA, FBI, DNI, USSS, Mob, Cuban exiles, LBJ, GHWB et al. which comprise Eisenhower’s military/industrial complex, or the Deep Deep State, which is a dictatorship not dissimilar to the “dictatorship of the proletariat” in communist China. America’s dictatorship is sub rosa. Much smaller and more covert Deep Deep State operations were the MLK and RFK assassinations.

    1. “because previous occupants of the office would tell the truth rather than back up Trump’s lies”

      Apparently you somehow missed the well known fact that the previous occupant lied about Trump conspiring with Russia, as did Brennan and Clapper.

      Nonetheless, the forensics have been done on Hunter’s laptop/hard drive, and it is definitely his computer. On top of that, the emails have been confirmed by one of the recipients.

      Joe Biden is owned lock, stock, and barrel, by the Chinese. He is Xi Jinping’s bought and paid for, demented and greedy lap dog.

      Pooh Bear, Dementia Joe, and the Blowfeld Biden. What a triumvirate!

      1. Rhodes, the GOP led Senate Intel Comm confirmed Trump’s collusion and Russian interference.

        If Joe has business with China, is Ivanka’s deal with the same people?

  10. Lying to cover for Joe Biden is just dirty politics. They who do so are never held to account.

    If there was any justice, those who knowingly used false information against President Trump to get a FISA Warrant, spy upon him, lie about it, and throw the entire country into turmoil for years would have faced charges. I only know of one FBI agent who has pled guilty, and I believe that was the agent who falsified a CIA email to say Carter Page did not work for him, when in fact he did.

    There should have been an entire domino effect of charges and prison sentences.

    If any person without Hillary Clinton’s connections had stored classified information on a bootleg server in her bathroom, given access to numerous people with zero clearance, backed it up on the Cloud, and lied about it repeatedly, they would be in some oubliette somewhere getting interrogated.

    There is no justice anymore.

    1. Karen, Honey, no one spied on your favorite fat hero, and no one lied about him. Russians did help him “win the victory” by colluding with his campaign and obtaining insider polling information on which districts in key states support for Hillary Clinton was soft enough that the lies might work. Saying otherwise is just Fox news drivel. This country is in turmoil because of Trump, who is incompetent. He has lied and attacked people who criticize or oppose him so many times, that it is unfathomable.

      1. Natacha, bless your heart, please read the turley blog. It went over this.

        This country is in turmoil because:

        1. Hillary Clinton colluded with Russian intelligence to produce a false dossier to either defraud voters, and interfere in our 2016 election, and if that failed, to destabilize Trump’s legitimate presidency.
        2. The media has continued to push false narratives, such as the thoroughly debunked lie that Trump called racists “very fine people.” The media has become a false propaganda machine, as in the Soviet era.
        3. Democrats keep spreading the lie that America is a racist country, founded on racism, and will always be racist. It’s demonstrably false. It’s just a lie they tell very naive people in order to gain power.

        You can scream, cry, and wax hysterical, but nothing changes the facts, sweetie.

    2. “There is no justice anymore.” – Karen S.

      There never has been.

      And without a robust “truth and reconciliation” process, nothing will change. This should have happened at the start of the Obama years but, in many ways, Obama was “part of the problem.”

      For anyone who might be interested:

      Jeremy Scahill, at his best —


      “An Intercepted audio documentary series offers a comprehensive analytical history of the Trump presidency. Featuring in-depth examination of Trump’s extreme agenda, the roots of U.S. history, and the policies of Trump’s predecessors, the series seeks to analyze the question: Is Trump the worst president in U.S. history?”

  11. Joe Biden lied and cheated his way through law school. And he is still lying, deceiving and cheating the American people out of GREED and ENRICHING himself and his strange problem-filled family. Once a liar always a liar.

  12. The Story Trump Wants Us To Overlook:

    Coronavirus Is Surging Across Midwest, South And West

    With coronavirus outbreaks picking up speed in dozens of states, the U.S. is now climbing steadily toward a new peak in cases that may soon rival the summer surge — when the country hit more than 60,000 infections on average a day for weeks in a row.

    On Friday, U.S. cases surged higher than they had since late July, hitting nearly 70,000 in one day. The seven-day daily average is now more than 56,000 cases a day. New cases have gone up by 30% from two weeks ago.

    Hospitalizations also increased in more than 40 states, with the numbers of people currently hospitalized reaching more than 36,000, which is more than half the highs recorded during the spring and summer surges.

    Unlike during the summer, when a handful of larger states drove up the numbers, the current growth is diffused across many states.

    The summer may have acted as a kind of buffer, he says, for the middle of the country, keeping the virus at lower levels in the community because people spent more time outside.

    The outbreaks raging in the Midwest play a major role in the rising numbers, with 43% growth in new infections over the past two weeks.

    That region (defined as 12 states by the U.S. census) accounted for more than a third of all new cases in the U.S. over the past week, according to NPR’s analysis of CDC data.

    Illinois and Wisconsin each added nearly 20,000 new cases in the past seven days, rivaling much larger states like California. Hospitalizations more than doubled in the past two weeks in Wisconsin, and the state stood up a field hospital to make room for the growing number of patients.

    The outbreak has increasingly fanned out to Western states, too. Montana, Wyoming and Utah have high per capita rates of new infections on par with the Midwest, and even states that have successfully kept the virus in check for months are now seeing a spike.

    In New Mexico, daily new infections more than doubled over the past two weeks and are now at the highest levels since the pandemic began.

    The South, which includes Florida and Texas, accounts for close to 40% of total cases in the past week, with cases rising quickly in some states like Tennessee and Mississippi. While the Northeast has a much smaller share of cases compared to other regions, the average case count doubled over the past month.

    The pandemic was predicted to gain traction in the fall, a time when respiratory viruses typically peak as people spend more time indoors. But the steep rise has come even sooner than some public health experts anticipated.

    “It’s happening at a rate that is even faster than I might have expected,” says Dr. Peter Hotez, dean for the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. “I predict then we’ll soon start seeing the number of deaths go up.”

    Hotez says models forecasting upward of 170,000 deaths in about the next four months — and Dr. Anthony Fauci’s warnings that the U.S. could eventually surpass 100,000 cases a day — may come to pass, given the current trajectory of the pandemic.

    “I think that’s very real, and especially if we don’t have any kind of national containment strategy,” Hotez says. “The expectation is that cases will also accelerate across the country.”

    Edited From: “Coronavirus Cases Rise To Highest Level In Months”

    Today’s NPR


      The pandemic alone is reason enough to sweep all Republicans out of office. It’s tragic to think this virus has effectively disrupted the educations of every student from K thru College. And here we learn the rate of infections is surging throughout much of the country.

      But we’re supposed to focus on Hunter Biden instead..??

      1. Yes, because anybody with brains understands that if the COVID was “emergent from nature” then that’s not Trump’s fault

        And if the COVID spread to every other nation, then Trump was not at fault for its global spread

        See that was obviously China’s fault that it spread. Why couldn’t Xi contain it like they did the first SARS?
        Because incompetence and corruption of the PRC has worsened compared to the time of Jiang Zemin

        Not that he was all that competent either

        As to containment measures, Trump’s record is not properly compared to the rest of the nations because the US is a federal regime in which the states take first steps in health care emergency.
        But you folks ever ignore this and compare apples to oranges.

        Well, it’s your political talking point for now, and it works with people who have little studied the matter and eat talking points like Twinkies.

        Meanwhile life goes on

        1. “the US is a federal regime in which the states take first steps in health care emergency.”

          What a lame and false excuse. The president alone has Production Act authority as well as national e,emergency powers. Might as well have assigned D-Day to the governors and we’d be speaking in German. Given that the only thing most citizens can do is to act responsibly to limit the spread, the president’s sabotage – continuing to this day – of his own federal guidelines has not only made us a national pariah – literally – with Europe and Canada denying entrance to our citizens, but with his failure to set up a national center for purchasing and assigning resources , has killed tens of thousands Americans. Much of that blood is on his hands. and it’s a disgrace and a disaster (to quote someone famous).

          1. I knew you would volunteer to demonstrate your contempt for the US constitutional order book

            one would think the Democrat governors would have thanked Trump for the chance to “lead”

            except the only way they “lead” was with the highest numbers of cases and worst economic impacts of their failed policies

            1. Kurtz, even the GOP governors of Ohio and Delaware complained that medical supplies were going to the highest bidders, not the states were needed most at any time. The President has the Production Law and emergency powers exactly for national emergencies. This was not a local or state emergency, but a national one. You’re welcome to your states rights BS argument but it doesn’t fit and most Americans aren’t buying it.

              1. Well Joe maybe there was something specific about that particular problem which could have been done but wasn’t. It does not entirely invalidate my point if the execution was flawed.

                It’s obvious you Democrat cheeleaders and Trump haters can always find some blemish to magnify. Dancing in the blood of the dead is what this used to be called.
                But that’s the usual Democrat strategy for any tragedy or disaster, always your response is the same: more federal laws and rules.

                Sure, perhaps a greater response in certain dimensions was warranted and there were errors. and sure errors cost lives

                But the big error of big lockdowns is having other countless unintended effects and those things cost lives too

                Governance is difficult. You’re free to say your peace and cast your vote as you like.

        2. The existence of the coronavirus isn’t Trump’s fault.

          Trump’s horrendous response is Trump’s fault.

          1. Aninnymouse:

            “Trump’s horrendous response is Trump’s fault.”
            OMG we lost a full .06% of the population to a global pandemic. Almost all with pre-existing health conditions and over 69. Bring out the pitch forks!

            What a clown.

            1. mespo’s tries to minimize that we’re on track to lose hundreds of thousands of people (do most of you consider family members over 69 as expendable and spent?), have unknown numbers with permanent damage to their lungs and heart, suffer another great recession while adding multi-trillions to our national debt, and for no particular reason beyond our “leaders” inability to lead and his actual sabotaging of any sensible response to the pandemic.

              Good enough for mespo I guess.

              1. Gainesville:

                It’s a pandemic. People die. Its sad for them and theirs. Like the flu. It’s Just not serious enough to warrant these repressive measures favored by the DimTyrants. The numbers prove it. You don’t like that the numbers prove it. You like telling people what to do.

          2. “U.S. Hits 5 Million COVID-19 Cases as New Zealand Marks 100 Days Without”



            After reporting more than 56,000 coronavirus diagnoses on Saturday, the U.S. has hit 5 million cases in over half a year into the COVID-19 pandemic. Meanwhile, New Zealand has marked its 100 days with no new cases.

            According to Johns Hopkins University, the U.S. leads the world in coronavirus cases, at 5,000,603 of the total 19,674,865. The U.S. reported 56,174 cases on Saturday, down from the highs of more than 70,000 seen at several points in recent weeks. The U.S. is followed by Brazil which reached 3 million cases on Saturday, and India, which hit 2 million earlier this week.

            The U.S. also has the highest death toll, with 162,441out of the global total of 727,641. That is more than all the U.S. service members killed in the First World War. Brazil also precedes the U.S. in deaths, passing 100,000 on Saturday, with Mexico third at just over 52,000. -Newsweek

            1. Ignorance and deceitfulness is what one sees from the left.

              New Zealand is small and surrounded by water. It can close itself up and wait for cures or the virus to disappear. Whether New Zealand will be better off or worse off with that policy is an unknown. Stupid people only consider what is sitting in front of them. They are blind to what is hidden and might be much more important.

              “The U.S. also has the highest death toll”

              San Marino has the highest death toll. If one adjusts to population San Marino’s death toll will be almost double to that of the US.

              “U.S. leads the world in coronavirus cases”

              If one doesn’t test one doesn’t have any cases.

              It is this type of stupidity that entered into political theater. Based on this type of stupid judgement the US should be congratulated. Only certain states were affected to the degree of most other western nations. The cure ratio in the US is best.

              Our largest death rates occurred in Blue States where the Governors didn’t isolate nursing home patients from Covid patients and instead knowingly put the two together against opposition. Many deaths could not be prevented but those that died due to that policy died because of negligent leadership of the party in power…. blue.

              Our smartest action was to close the borders to Chinese travelers. That was objected to by the Blues. Biden, Pelosi and almost every outspoken Blue.

              All these factors made it clear that Trump’s job though could be better was leagues better than anything the Democrats came up with.

          3. So far you have been unable to provide any better way of handling the crisis. I don’t agree totally with what was done but leftist politics and dumba$$ leftists entered the fray so that instead of focusing on the virus we had to focus on leftist stupidity that was wrong almost every step of the way.

            You talk a lot but we don’t see any solutions based on facts and logic.

    2. Anonymous:

      White House Coronavirus Task Force (CTF) briefings, often not including POTUS, frequently including Pence, and nearly always including Azar, should have continued on at least a weekly basis right up to Election Day. VP Pence and HHS Alex Azar have been the administration’s two most credible continuing CTF spokespersons, IMHO.

      The story the left wants us to overlook:

      “The French health ministry tallied a record 32,427 new cases Saturday, up from 25,086 the day earlier.”

      And the population of France is only 67 million. That’s more than 120 million new daily cases in US terms. I must be reading that wrong! Or is Macron now even more “culpable” than Trump?

        1. Kurtz, you persist in the false dichotomy of lock down vs unsafe practices. The only way we can open up businesses and institutions without it coming back to bite hard is safely. A president of average intelligence and without the strutting ego – Mango Mussilini – would have been encouraging masks and distancing as a means to reopening, not spreading the virus in the WH, on Air Force One, and wherever he goes. to encourage other jerks to do the same.

          This is not difficult, and a new president will help get this under control so we can open for business.

          1. Except the COVID 19 is not biting as hard as it was projected. Not even close. I notice some Democrats have a hard time recognizing that.

            There seems to be a sort of group-think happening among some Democrats who have decided to hide in the cave all 2020. Feel free to keep on doing so if you like.

            I follow all applicable laws and was an early adopter of masks. Trump’s weak on that but he’s got my vote for 100 other reasons

        2. Mr. Kurtz:

          My sense is that some countries might be better served with total lockdowns following the New Zealand example:

          But others probably shouldn’t – and you make a good case for why the US is among the latter.

          Beyond the “small” matter of states’ rights and responsibilities, shutting down the US economy is a global public health crisis in itself. And the cure cannot be worse than the problem.

          “Dr Clarke added: “Of particular relevance now is the comparison of systems for test, trace and isolate.””

          1. It’s a respiratory virus with a high enough R0 that mitigation cannot end the virus. All mitigation can do is slow it down but that doesn’t change the numbers eventually infected. The initial reason for lockdowns was not to overload the hospitals. Instead we had partially empty hospitals losing money while patients requiring other types of medical care went without. We will pay for that in the future as we will pay for the increase in drug addiction, alcoholism, violence against children and other conditions caused by the lockdown. We will also pay economically which causes total years lost.

            Maybe the vaccine will be good enough to knock the R0 to <1 which would lead to an end to the virus. Maybe the therapeutics will impact survival rates significantly.

            Most of what is being said by the left is cr-p. They are ignorant with little scientific understanding.

            We know the mortality rate is almost all above age 55 or those that are sick. Influenza causes a lot more deaths in the below 55 population. That tells us to isolate the elderly and sick and for those in the gray zone (healthy above 55) perhaps take more precautions and shift jobs to areas of less exposure. The working group with risks is the group that actually needed some temporary support as most of the working population could go on with their daily lives. The number of life years lost from Covid will be the smaller fraction of the number of life years lost because of the road we travelled.

            We could clearly see the immediate risks of Covid that led to certain actions but we couldn't see the long term effects of those actions so as a nation we panicked and that is causing us great harm.

        1. Joe Friday:

          Another source:

          “France reported a record number of new cases of the virus on Saturday – a rise of 32,427, the health ministry said. A day earlier the country recorded 25,086 new infections.”

          You mean the math works out closer to 150,000 new daily US cases?

          On the mask front, I’d like to see Trump-Pence AND Biden-Harris guaranteeing every US resident an adequate supply of US-made N95 masks under the Defense Production Act. I wear one regularly but I’ve heard mixed information about cloth masks:

          1. Thanks for correcting your math. Your reasoning that Trump’s ignorant and irresponsibility are somehow justified by bad news elsewhere does not hold.

            I agree that encouragement of masks, as well as distancing, and testing should all be promoted and funded if necessary by the feds. Money spent there is cheap compared to teh results of ourfailure.

            1. Joe Friday:

              “Thanks for correcting your math.”

              You call that a “correction”?!

              “Your reasoning that Trump’s ignorance and irresponsibility are somehow justified by bad news elsewhere does not hold.”

              That is not my reasoning at all. I am not defending Trump and I am not blaming Macron. But I am looking for balance. My prayers are with POTUS and the President of France:



                1. That was a typo, JF, not a breakdown in my math or my reasoning. I think it’s fairly obvious I meant 120,000, based on France’s population being about a quarter of the US population, which bumps up to 150,000, if we take France’s population at about 1/5 of the US population. Thanks for clarifying. Now deal more honestly with the staggering implications.

          2. Jonathan, I am sure you realize that even the N-95 masks from the US don’t give 100% protection and that means you have a certain % risk each event. That risk is additive with successive exposures. Additionally they have to fit properly and most people do not wear them properly. I am just saying this in case you don’t recognize what the N-95 means even though I am sure you do. Keep the potential viral dose down and always be in a well ventilated area.

            1. Thanks, Allan. I’m familiar with these and other concerns related to the N95 masks. I actually meant to communicate that I only wear the cloth masks. Until the government sends me my box of form-fitting N95s and/or a vaccine. Wonder which will come sooner.

      1. Johnathan, according to your post, we should be taking the pandemic very, very seriously. Yet Trump is advocating ‘herd immunity’ against the advice of every reputable scientist.

        1. You wouldn’t know “reputable” if a truckload of it was dumped on you.

          Sweden has the lowest Wuhan virus death rate in Europe. No masks required and no lockdown orders were ever issued.

          Now the Germans are also waking up to that same reality:

          Meanwhile, the Biden boys have a very large problem. And so does your Dictatorial leader who looks exactly like Winnie the Pooh.

          1. Sweden has the lowest Wuhan virus death rate in Europe.

            From beginning to now, it hasn’t. It’s had a higher rate than the other German and Scandinavian countries, a rate similar to most occidental countries, and a rate lower than the hardest hit like Belgium. It may be the latest increments to the death toll are proportionately smaller.

      2. People on the left don’t want you to overlook that. Why pretend they do?

        You meant 120 thousand, not 120 million, and if you wanted to determine whether Macron is more culpable than Trump, you’d need to compare all of their actions and statements, not one day’s data.

    3. Here are the latest survival rate estimates from the Center for Disease Control:

      Age 0-19 … 99.997%
      Age 20-49 … 99.98%
      Age 50-69 … 99.5%
      Age 70+ … 94.6%

      “WHO (Accidentally) Confirms Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu

      Head of Health Emergencies Program “best estimates” put IFR at 0.14%”

      So, what happened to the 2.5 million Americans who were supposed to die from the Wuhan virus?

      In the meantime, Dementia Joe and his cocaine addicted son have been exposed as being owned by the ChiCom’s.

      But I have no doubt that you’re Ok with that reality.

    4. 480,000 Americans die from tobacco smoking this year. No politician speaks out. Give each smoker a pistol with two bullets. Guns are quicker.

  13. America First. Get China out of American politics. CCP has bought off Joe and Hunter Biden and has been manipulating against American best interests. Thank God for President Trump.

    1. Turley May be my favorite twitter contributor and his objectivity is welcome. I want to disagree with one comment made in this article. It is not clear that Russia hacked the DNC. I feel there is more evidence that someone inside the DNC (likely Seth Rich). Copied the data and gave it to Wikileaks. The transfer rates used to copy the data could not have been done via the internet. And, there was disagreement within intelligence circles about Russia, but Brennan quashed any views counter his agenda.

  14. Joe Biden is a liar. And corrupt as hell.

    Did the media ever do reporting on how Hunter Biden got his direct commission as an ensign in the U.S. Naval Reserve even though he was 43 years old, three years over age at the time, and with known drug problems? Joe Biden pulled strings to get the waiver for his son….so his troubled son could bring his problems and his drug abuse problems into the Naval Reserve only to make it their problem to deal with. Which they did by discharging him after only a few months.

    Once again Joe Biden was serving *only himself and his troubled family –at the expense of our institutions, and everyone and everything else.

    Just wait until more information comes out about the Biden Family Corruption.

    Joe Biden is disqualified to serve in any public office ever again.


    By Rowan Scarborough – The Washington Times – Saturday, October 17, 2020
    A high-powered delegation of Chinese communist industrialists was able to gain access to senior Obama White House officials during a 2011 U.S. visit thanks to Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s principal business partner, newly disclosed emails show.

    “Couldn’t confirm this with Hunter on line but we got him his meeting at the WH Monday for the Chinese folks,” Archer said in a November 2011 email to associates, first reported by Breitbart.

    The emails show that the Archer-Hunter Biden team was using the White House and Hunter’s father, then-Vice President Joseph R. Biden, as springboards for lucrative deals in China that followed.

    SEE ALSO: FBI investigating possible Russian connection to purported Hunter Biden laptop: Reports

    The emails were obtained by investigative reporter Peter Schweizer, who has chronicled what he asserts is a multi-million-dollar influence-peddling racket by Biden family members cashing in on Biden’s vice presidency.

    Bevan Cooney, a former Hunter Biden business associate now in prison for bond fraud, provided Mr. Schweizer complete access to his Gmail account. Mr. Schweizer says there are thousands of messages to be assessed. Archer was convicted in the same case for swindling investors and is awaiting sentencing.

    Mr. Schweizer authored the first look at the Cooney emails in a story published Friday at Breitbart, written with Seamus Bruner.


  16. Creepy Joe Biden has one last hurdle to clear. Those skeletons found in his closet on Halloween. Here’s a tour of Creepy Joe Biden’s basement during China virus quarantine.

  17. Don’t believe them this “comes from Moscow”

    We the Americans want to know

    my ancestors watered the soil of America with their blood. Served in the Continental Army with Geo Washington and lost sons in the Yankee infantry during the Civil War
    a debt some people still claim is not paid

    we’re entitled to know

    we’re not going to STFU even if the Democrats tell us to

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