The Media and The Mayhem: The Chauvin Trial Coverage Follows A Dangerous Pattern

Below is my column in The Hill on the Derek Chauvin trial in Minneapolis. Last week, at least one juror was excused after he expressed fear that he or his family could be attacked after a verdict. (Conversely, another juror called the rioting necessary to advance the Black Lives Matter movement). The man explained that his neighbors had to flee the area after the riots following the death of George Floyd. That fear was shared by various jurors. It is not surprising when the courthouse is ringed in fencing and barbed wire and even police stations in the city are bunkered down. There are already protesters outside of the courthouse and a new “autonomous zone” in the city that is being criticized by police groups.  Once again, the news coverage is highly siloed and divergent in such coverage with vastly different images emerging from the city as it prepares for possible rioting. However, it is the divergent coverage of the case itself that is my greatest concern.

The voir dire responses highlight the concern over venue in the case and the decision not to shift the trial to a different city. There is clearly a fear among jurors that there might be rioting if there is an acquittal for Chauvin. The voir dire selection also magnifies the concern over how the case has been covered in the media with the omission of critical defense arguments and evidence. I believe that there was a legitimate basis for a trial, but this is a stronger manslaughter than a murder case.  The trial will give us a better view of the evidence but the coverage thus far has been dangerously incomplete in my view, as discussed below.

Here is the column:

Criminal trials have become such a predictable flashpoint for violence that cities create virtual fortresses around courthouses before juries are even seated. That is the case with the Minneapolis trial of Derek Chauvin, the first police officer to be tried for the death of George Floyd last spring.

The rioting that can follow a trial’s verdict is driven by deep-seated, long-standing racial problems. However, commentary by politicians and reporters can worsen those tensions, creating misconceptions of the strengths and weaknesses of cases. For example, before any investigation had been completed, Vice President Kamala Harris, then a United States senator, said Chauvin clearly “murdered” Floyd, while others insisted the crime was open and shut.

Trials, however, are based on the evidence and elements of crimes. They are designed to separate the material from the mythological. A good example is the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., in 2014, which provoked days of rioting. The shooting was widely called murder by national figures and commentators. To this day, because of wildly inaccurate media coverage, pundits and protesters still refer to Brown holding up his hands and pleading, “Don’t shoot!” However, the officers involved were never charged despite long, repeated federal and state investigations that found no criminal culpability. Indeed, the Obama Justice Department and other investigations refuted the hands up, don’t shoot claim.

Chauvin’s trial has some of the same problematic elements of incomplete or distorted coverage and commentary. It clearly is much stronger than the Michael Brown case — and one can not overestimate the impact of the videotape of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck for almost 10 minutes as Floyd pleads “I can’t breathe.” The video is seared into the minds of many, provoking anger and disgust. Admittedly, I view cases from the perspective of a longtime defense attorney, but this one has defense points that are rarely reported but could prove decisive in this trial.

The four officers charged — Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Alexander Kueng, Tou Thao — responded to a call alleging that Floyd passed counterfeit money. The first major defense point was captured on body-camera video as Lane spoke to Floyd, sitting in a parked SUV. When Floyd refused to show his hands, Lane pulled his gun and yelled at Floyd to show his hands. After Floyd replied, “Please don’t shoot me, man,” Lane put away his gun and said, “I’m not shooting you, man.”

Floyd is then seen staggering as he is moved to a police cruiser. He admitted he had been “hooping,” or taking drugs. He then resisted getting into the cruiser, saying he was claustrophobic and couldn’t breathe. Lane is heard offering to sit with him, roll down the windows and turn on the air conditioning. Floyd continued to insist “I cannot breathe.” A struggle then led to Floyd on the ground, with Chauvin kneeling on his neck. As shocking as the video image is, Chauvin is likely to cite Minneapolis police training material that describes such restraint for an uncooperative suspect.

The biggest defense point will come from official autopsy and toxicology reports. The autopsy did not cite restraint as the cause of the death, instead citing “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” (The family’s autopsy disagrees, citing death by asphyxiation). The preliminary finding of the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.”

The autopsy states that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system. The level of fentanyl was extremely high, and documents from the autopsy attribute the following statement to Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner: “Fentanyl at 11 ng/ml — this is higher than (a) chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone & no other apparent cause, this could be acceptable to call an OD [overdose]. Deaths have been certified w/levels of 3.”

The toxicology report on Floyd’s blood amplifies that point, stating: “In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/ml.” Floyd’s blood showed almost four times that level. There is palpable fear that even discussing such countervailing defense issues will lead to accusations of being a racist or an apologist for police brutality. As a result, most of these details are routinely omitted from coverage, or only obliquely referenced.

There is both a legal and a political reason Chauvin is going to trial first: The “aiding and abetting” charges of the other officers are derivative on the Chauvin’s alleged crime of murder or manslaughter. The case against Chauvin is also the strongest and there is ample basis for criminal charges due to his failure to respond to Floyd’s medical crisis. Lane, a new officer, is heard at one point suggesting they move Floyd because he might be experiencing “excited delirium. Chauvin replies: “Just leave him.” Conversely, Lane has a stronger case for acquittal, which likely would inflame passions without a prior conviction of Chauvin.

Past cases also show the danger of pushing for higher-range murder charges, which may satisfy public demands but magnify the impact of acquittals. Such overcharging in the George Zimmerman case, focusing on second-degree murder, reduced the stronger case for manslaughter. Instead of significant time on a lesser charge, Zimmerman’s prosecutors got nothing.

Chauvin’s prosecutors pushed for a second-degree murder charge in addition to manslaughter. But, clearly concerned about the sharp-cliff impact of acquittal, they are urging the trial judge to add a lesser third-degree murder charge. That still requires proving Chauvin was guilty of “perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind.”

If Chauvin is acquitted of murder, many are likely to be unsatisfied by a second-degree manslaughter conviction carrying a presumptive sentence of 41 months to 57 months, rather than a sentence of up to 15 years. The anger is likely to be greater if they were never told of the defense arguments and evidence. Chauvin’s trial shows the same profile as past cases with a mix of heightened charges and heightened expectations in what is a difficult prosecution case. Chauvin could very well be convicted of murder but, if not, the incomplete commentary and coverage will only add to the ensuing unrest.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.

509 thoughts on “The Media and The Mayhem: The Chauvin Trial Coverage Follows A Dangerous Pattern”

  1. https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf. Some of the posters here don’t really give a damn about George Floyd or the true circumstances of his death. The science only maters to them when they can use it to bolster their position. When the science goes against them it doesn’t take two minutes for them to try to diminish the scientific findings. The entire incident is being used for political purposes. More Blacks were voting for Trump and they needed to put a knee on the throat of the Blacks for Trump movement. The Democratic Mayor and Democratic lawyers and judges in Minneapolis awarded $27,000,000 to the Floyd family. As money spent to keep their constituents in line, $27,000,000 is a small campaign contribution coerced from tax payers to the elite for the purpose of staying in power. You don’t even have to take the money from Democratic campaign funds when you can just use taxpayer (government) funding. Great work if you can get it. If officer Chauvin is required to provide a pound of flesh it can be justified in pursuit of “the cause”. In their religion they don’t need a god but they do need a racist devil to keep their pockets lined. As to officer Chauvin’s trial “If it doesn’t fit you must convict”.

  2. Since most people, including Professor Turley, only know the lies and pablum fed to them by mainstream media presstitutes with their leftist agenda, most people are ignorant of the facts surrounding the Chauvin case. To make matters worse, they are mentally lazy and are unwilling to even hear the facts because they have trained by the leftist presstitutes and other leftist “educators” not to think.

    I challenge anyone who repeats the BS leftist talking points that Chauvin is guilty of murder, and this includes Professor Turley, to try to explain away the facts. But to get the facts, you’re going to first have to go outside your box of leftist lies that you’ve been spoon-fed. Here’s a 24-minute documentary with the facts: https://centaurfilmworks.com/. Of course, I don’t really expect leftists to be interested in examining facts, let alone discussing them. Leftists hate facts and evidence. They are only comfortable with lies. But I like putting the challenge out there anyway knowing that the leftists will prove me right by continuing to ignore the facts and evidence.

  3. https://www.firehouse.com/ems/news/21142256/tapes-mn-dispatcher-asked-supervisor-to-go-to-george-floyd-scene

    Excerpts:

    A 9-1-1 dispatcher watching real-time footage of George Floyd’s arrest in south Minneapolis was so alarmed by police officers’ actions that she called a supervisor who did not immediately respond to the scene, according to a newly released phone recording.

    The latest data release also included the transcript of two 9-1-1 calls made by bystanders to report the officers involved, including one by an off-duty city firefighter who happened upon the scene.

    “Hello, I am on the block of 38th and Chicago and I literally watched police officers not take a pulse and not do anything to save a man, and I am a first responder myself, and I literally have it on video camera,” the unidentified firefighter says, according to the transcript. “I just happened to be on a walk so, this dude, this, they (expletive) killed him so…”

    The transcript shows that the firefighter asked to speak with the officers’ supervisors to explain the situation, but then the line disconnected. The dispatcher tried to call back several times, but the calls went to voicemail each time.

    — firehouse dot com

    1. I suppose you know that a dispatcher is neither a medic, doctor, or field officer. Nor can the dispatcher assess the entire situation from the real-time footage of the incident.

      Perhaps dispatchers and medical experts should ride with patrol officers to treat criminals injured during arrests.

    2. None of this has any bearing on the charge of manslaughter. However, doesn’t even the most feeble minded of posters recognize that the so called “first responder” didn’t provide a name or an identifier. They called her back but she was on voice mail. I wonder why. With her number they have her name and with her name and the tape they potentially have someone pretending to be something she likely was not. Maybe that is the reason no name was left.

      The article talks about others but no names are provided except that of department spokesman John Elder who “declined to comment, citing the ongoing probe into Floyd’s death”.

      Sounds like Anonymous loves anonymous complainers and believes what they say. Of course he also believed Cuomo when he lied about the events that led to the deaths of thousands of seniors. He probably got confirmation of Cuomo’s greatness when Cuomo received his Emmy.

      1. “pretending to be something she likely was not”

        Her name is Genevieve Hansen (sometimes Hanson in news reports), and she’s a Minneapolis firefighter. She wasn’t pretending to be something she wasn’t. You pretend to be able to judge likelihood when you clearly cannot.

        “Sounds like Anonymous loves …”

        Sounds like Allan loves to troll.

        1. Unlike you I expect professionals making a “professional” call to use their name or number as an identifier. i also expect anyone with medical knowledge to identify themselves to the police and help if they see something the police do not and they can help.

          You don’t have such expectations because you lack the knowledge of professionalism and duty. You are a parasite.

            1. “Anonymous says:March 13, 2021 at 5:17 PM
              Every insult you direct at others, Allan, only tells us about you.”

              ___

              +100

          1. “I also expect anyone with medical knowledge to identify themselves to the police and help if they see something the police do not and they can help.”
            ***
            Absolutely. That is the professional way to do it. She has been described as a rookie and that may explain her behavior.

    3. Do you have a cause of death? All of what you post “might” be true and accurate. Just not relevant to this legal proceeding.

      1. Anonymous can’t see past his nose. He doesn’t know the difference between relevance and irrelevant. Whether it be the Russia hoax or Covid anonymous can’t put the pieces together to make an intelligent decision.

        He likes to pray in front of the Emmy of Cuomo.

        1. The facts on this case are NOT all clear so one has to be a fool to say “It’s a fact, not an opinion, that the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.“

          How does this anonymous, who has been wrong on virtually every major important issue, know for a fact one of the officers didn’t check for a pulse? He doesn’t.

          Anonymous go applaud Cuomo’s Emmy. That is closer to the expectations we have of you.

            1. “Allan, all you do is troll.”

              All I did was take your statement of fact and put a question behind it and all the other things you have said in the past.

              “It’s a fact, not an opinion, that the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.”

              That means no officer tried to check for Floyd’s pulse. That isn’t a fact. That is what you want to think but from past experience we know what you think is generally wrong. Therefore without direct knowledge of what happened my guess is that an officer did check for a pulse.

              Go suck on the Emmy.

              1. ““It’s a fact, not an opinion, that the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.” That means no officer tried to check for Floyd’s pulse. That isn’t a fact.”

                It’s a fact. This fact can be observed via video and via the responses of bystanders to the officers actions.

                “Go suck on the Emmy.”

                Take your own advice.

                  1. “Allan aka S. Meyer aka Anon @ 10:21 sounds like a broken record…”

                    The time is wrong. Strike 10:21.

                    Allan aka S. Meyer aka Anon @ 8:36 AM and 9:31 AM sounds like a broken record…

                    1. Anonymous the Stupid, there are too many Anonymous’s on the blog so we can call you Anonymous the Stupid, you can call me Allan, SM, Meyer, Jack, Robert, or Phil. The other anonymous figures can simply announce they are not Anonymous the Stupid and we can choose to believe them or not in our subsequent replies. We can reply to your pretend friends as pretend friends or Anonymous the Stupid as it doesn’t make a difference.

                      That will make the blog a bit easier to navigate. It will help others recognize who people are replying to.

                  2. Add 5:21 PM to that other comment about Anon (Allan/S. Meyer) sounding like a broken record.

                  3. Anonymous, AKA Anonymous the Stupid, you have a lot of problems figuring out what is known proven fact and what isn’t. I know how upset you must be that your hero Cuomo killed so many seniors. I know your excitement peaked when he won his Emmy. It must have been hard for you to realize how many of your supposed facts were wrong.

                    You don’t seem to learn from experience. You prefer to remain Stupid.

                1. “It’s a fact. This fact can be observed via video and via the responses of bystanders to the officers actions.”

                  Actually you don’t know and the videos didn’t show everything. Responses by bystanders doesn’t make it a fact. You create fact without certainty. That makes you non-credible.

                  I will wait for the testimony to draw such specific conclusions. There is actually a newspaper report that one police officer couldn’t locate a pulse. That statement unless refuted tells us that the facts are not yet in.

                  You provided facts about Cuomo and his wonderful management of the Covid crisis. You provided all sorts of “fact” and in the end your facts were all wrong.

                  You can now go watch a rerun of Cuomo getting his Emmy.

                  1. “There is actually a newspaper report that one police officer couldn’t locate a pulse. ”

                    Yeah. Very late in the game.

                    This was posted to this thread, on Friday:

                    https://www.startribune.com/a-timeline-of-events-leading-to-george-floyd-s-death-as-outlined-in-charging-documents/570999132/

                    8:25 p.m. Floyd appeared to stop breathing. “Want to roll him on his side?” Lane asked again.

                    Kueng checked Floyd’s pulse. “I couldn’t find one,” Kueng said.

                    8:27 p.m. Chauvin removed his knee from Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived at the scene and transported Floyd to Hennepin County Medical Center (HCMC).

                    ___

                    Floyd’s pulse was finally checked, just a couple of minutes before the ambulance arrived, and after bystanders beginning begging the officers to do so.

                    They should have rolled him to his side when he expressed that he was having difficulty breathing and should have checked his pulse, earlier, as well.

                    This obviously didn’t happen. When Lane suggested rolling him to his side (as reported, above), it should have been done. even though it was probably too late, at that point.

                    1. Anonymous the Stupid, your initial statement was ““It’s a fact, not an opinion, that the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.”

                      You have been arguing about this continuously but we see above that you even knew an officer couldn’t “locate a pulse”, yet you stated I was wrong and called me all sorts of names.

                      That you knew your statement wasn’t correct and called me wrong or a liar when I corrected that fact means that you are a liar because you lied with intent.

                      Anonymous the Stupid, you have proven yourself to be Stupid, a liar and an incompetent. Nothing you say can be trusted.

                    2. Once again, Allan, you’re mixing up two different anonymous commenters. That’s easy to do, and if you were honest, you’d acknowledge that it can happen instead of pretending that there’s only one anonymous commenter you dislike. Unfortunately, you’re not honest about this, as it conflicts with your preferred narrative.

                    3. ” if you were honest, you’d acknowledge that it can happen”

                      Anonymous the Stupid, I just recently said that type of mix up was a rare event and that is one of the reasons I am using the Anonymous the Stupid label for you. Now when you complain you can say Anonymous the Stupid said that not me. Alternatively you can say it was Anonymous the Stupid’s pretend friend.

                    4. “Once again, Allan, you’re mixing up two different anonymous commenters.”

                      The guy’s obviously blinded by his dislike for folks who comment anonymously, and comments certainly reveal his immaturity.

                      smh

                    5. OK Anonymous the Stupid pretend friend. I accept what you say. The other poster is Anonymous the Stupid. Thanks for setting us straight.

                    6. Correction:

                      The guy’s obviously blinded by his dislike for folks who comment anonymously, and his comments certainly reveal his immaturity.

                      smh

                    7. Self correcting Anonymous the Stupid, I got your point. You want me to learn to like cowards that can’t even maintain an alias so that there is less confusion. I don’t dislike cowards. I just don’t want to have to depend on them.

                    8. @Anon. 5:39 PM, thanks for the correction, I was wrong that “the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.” The charging document they quoted from says “Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions. At 8:27:24, Officer Chauvin removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.”

                      It’s just as bad if not worse that Kueng determined that Floyd had no pulse, but none of them provided CPR, and Chauvin didn’t remove his knee for another 2 minutes.

                    9. “I was wrong that “the officers refused to check Floyd’s pulse.” “

                      Yes, Anonymous the Stupid, you were wrong yet you were nasty. Now you are getting the point that the lack of a pulse when checked by the police officer didn’t help the optics so you will be happy with the correction.

                      You have no principles. I will look at the facts. You will convict for political reasons. That is what fascists do.

                    10. “I just recently said that type of mix up was a rare event ”

                      It isn’t rare, Allan, it’s common. You do it daily.

                      “you can say Anonymous the Stupid said that not me”

                      No, I won’t join you in your abuse. I will, however, call out your comments as abusive.

                    11. Anonymous the Stupid, you did this to yourself. You have been dishonest and used your anonymity to garner support of ATS pretend friends and to blame others for your Stupidity. I am sure there have been errors over the years, but they are few and far between. It’s up to you to prove differently. You can’t. You have no credibility.

                      What I am doing is not abuse. It’s appropriate management of an abusive anonymous figure that is known as Anonymous the Stupid.

                    12. Allan/S. Meyer — aka the Anon who keeps posting his abusive comments, calling people fascist and stupid:

                      Your new blog-monitor sash is being sent to you and you’ll be scheduled for a new photo.

                      Here’s your old photo:

                      https://github.com/hall-monitor

        2. In addition to checking his pulse, they should have rolled Floyd to his side, when he made statements about not being able to breathe.

            1. “Irrelevant.”

              The judge in the case doesn’t seem to think so.

              https://apnews.com/article/trials-susan-gaertner-minneapolis-racial-injustice-death-of-george-floyd-af446b050e57e1a2d56138defb46aaff

              “Cahill also ruled that prosecutors can tell jurors about a 2015 incident in which Chauvin saw other officers place a suicidal, intoxicated male in a side-recovery position after using a stun gun on him. Cahill said prosecutors can introduce that if they can show Chauvin was present when a medical professional said that the male could have died if officers had prolonged the detention.

              “Brandt said telling the jury about those events will allow prosecutors to show that Chauvin knew the proper way to restrain someone and provide relief, and that he had done it wrong before.”

    4. https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf So Anon do you believe in scientific opinion or the anecdotal evidence of the dispatcher? As an often declarer of the importance of scientific evidence you should be a multi-time sharer of the link provided. We will be perusing your future posts to see that you are sharing the science so that we will all be more enlightened as to the actual facts in the death of George Floyd. It is your moral duty to make sure that the truth is known. It’s not complicated. All you have to do is copy and paste.

            1. Anon, the link I have provided is to the actual coroner’s report. You know that pesky science. Of course we will keep waiting, because if you relayed my link to others on this forum your position would collapse like a cheap tent. You just don’t want the rest of us to know that the tent you brought to the campout has collapsed due to a very minor breeze.

              1. ‘if you relayed my link’

                ?

                people post links and readers click on them or they don’t

                1. Anon always tells us of the truthful content of his posts. He now has a wonderful opportunity to make the truth about George Floyd’s death more available to us all by helping to spread the truth using the actual coroner’s report. There are so many facts that Anonymous seems to reveal to us that it would seem be his golden opportunity to enlighten us even further by doubling up on spreading the cold hard facts put forth in the coroner’s report. Don’t be shy Anonymous, we are looking for your leadership.

          1. “Whenever you can’t refute an argument you bring out your troll fetish.”

            Nope, we’re not the same person.

            Post what you like. No one is required to respond. That’s the way things work…

            1. Thinkitthrough, anonymous likes to blame his pretend friends. Rarely another anonymous is caught in the net. I think the only way of preventing anonymous from blaming others is to label him Anonymous the Stupid. In that fashion his comments and the replies separate one anonymous from another. If another Anonymous is thought to be Anonymous the Stupid he can let everyone know and let the rest of the blame fall where it should, on Anonymous the Stupid.

              Anonymous the Stupid likes to play these games so let’s give him what he wants.

              1. Would you listen to this guy ‘S. Meyer’? Any guesses as to his age?

                He sounds like a nitwit.

                1. Anonymous the Stupid, you just proved yourself a liar and an incompetent. You can call me whatever you wish but at least now that you are labelled it will be easier to follow the discussion. You once again have a fitting alias, Anonymous the Stupid.

              2. S.Meyer. The word Stupid tells us that a person was born without a high degree of mental competence through no fault of his own. When Anonymous posts information that he knows he has twisted he knows exactly what he is doing. Stupid suggests an innocence that is not even close to what Anonymous is. I have posted a link to the George Floyd coroners report and have asked Anonymous to post it to display the truth and yet he refuses to do so. Then again you could be right. It may not be within his cognitive ability to copy and paste.

                1. “When Anonymous posts information that he knows he has twisted he knows exactly what he is doing.”

                  When Anonymous the Stupid posts we are dealing with an inherently Stupid person. He might actually have some skills but overall he is Stupid. He also twists data and lies. Sometimes ATS (that is shorthand for Anonymous the Stupid) focuses on one tiny error for a gotcha moment. It may be a tiny error or something that is not entirely clear. In that way he can deflect so he doesn’t have to argue the substance.

                  That is what I did to Anonymous the Stupid when I first made my statement. I knew it to be true based on reading the same article that ATS used for the correction. I knew he would jump on me so I replied without a citation. Gotcha “It is better to give than receive.”

                  Anonymous the Stupid or ATS is a gamer. That is why he uses anonymous as his moniker. He can blame errors on someone else or a pretend friend while hiding in the weeds. He is inherently dishonest and proves it all the time.

          2. “I suggested that you share my link”

            Tit has ‘shared’ it at least three times (and maybe more), but she or he wants others to ‘share’ it?

            Share it, where? And to what end?

            This isn’t Twitter or Facebook, Tit.

  4. I find it astonishing that a purportedly intelligent law professor such as Jonathan Turley expresses such ignorance about the Chauvin case. He freely offers bogus opinions about the case based solely on propaganda he’s been fed from the mainstream media presstitutes, which have a vested interest in spreading lies and disinformation to suit their political objectives. Anyone who claims, for example, that the knee procedure that Officer Chauvin used caused Floyd’s death or was even a significant factor is someone who cares nothing about science, facts, or evidence. The knee procedure had zero impact on the outcome. Anyone who carefully examines the complete videos available (which excludes most people) will observe that at no time did any of the officers apply any direct pressure on Floyd’s neck. The autopsy confirmed that there is zero evidence that any pressure was applied to Floyd’s neck or body that could have remotely impaired his breathing. Furthermore, the knee procedure was specifically requried as standard procedure in this case and it is described in detail in the Minneaoplis Police Manual, which Officer Chauvin followed to a “T.”

    Under the circumstances, the trial should not have been held in Minneapolis. But the decision to hold the trial there was precisely done to increase the chance of a conviction. In many ways, the Chauvin case is the converse of the OJ Simpson case. In the Simpson case, the evidence strong pointed to Simpson’s conviction, but because they wanted to maximize the chance of an acquital, they moved the case from Santa Monica to Los Angeles. In the Chauvin case, to maximize the chance of a conviction, the venue improperly remains in Minneapolis because the evidence otherwise favors acquital. In other words, in each case, the venues were deliberately selected to minimize the chance of a fair trial and for justice to prevail.

    I would encourage anyone who wants to understand the facts of the Chauvin case to see the definitive documentary video on the subject to date. Please note that this video includes all of the available video “footage” from beginning to end, so that you can see and hear everything that happened. In contrast, most people have only seen the clip of George Floyd released by the Prosecutors office and the media presstitutes that was designed to mislead and inflame the public against the police. Here is the link to the 25 minute documentary: https://centaurfilmworks.com/

  5. “Video: Off-duty FF pleads with Minneapolis police to assess George FloydA woman who identified herself as a Minneapolis firefighter told officers to check Floyd’s vital signs”

    May 27, 2020

    https://www.firerescue1.com/off-duty/articles/video-off-duty-ff-pleads-with-minneapolis-police-to-assess-george-floyd-qpHAGleuOb2wnlB4/

    “Comment to the article:

    Posted by Mpls612Aug 14, 2020 at 9:15 PM

    I am a Captain on the Minneapolis Fire Department. The Firefighter in the video IS A Minneapolis Firefighter.I believe she is strong and tried to do the best she could without being harmed herself. She was off duty and in civilian clothes….”

      1. Seems likely.

        “the court heard also several motions about what testimony some witnesses should give during trial. One motion discussed involved Genevieve Hanson, the off-duty Minneapolis firefighter who witnessed Floyd’s arrest. [Judge] Cahill ruled if Hanson is called to the stand, she can speak on what she saw that day and the training and expertise that she has. However, she cannot give the opinion that if she intervened and gave Floyd medical attention that she would have saved his life.”
        https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/10/chauvin-trial-day-2-jury-selection-set-to-start-tuesday-still-no-word-from-appeals-court-if-trial-needs-to-stop/

    1. “tried to do the best she could without being harmed herself.”
      ***
      So she recognized a potentially dangerous situation too?

      1. “So she recognized a potentially dangerous situation too?”

        Yes, but not in the way that you seem to be implying.

        1. I am ‘implying’ that she recognized a potentially dangerous situation. One in which she wished to avoid doing harm to herself.

          If you have more information on her sense of danger please share it.

      1. Fromm the firerescue1 dot com article:

        Excerpt:

        About five minutes and 25 seconds into the 10-minute bystander video originally posted on Facebook, a woman can be seen saying she is a Minneapolis firefighter and demanding that officers check Floyd’s pulse.

        “Show me his pulse!” the firefighter says. “Check his pulse right now and tell me what it is. Tell me what his pulse is right now.”

        One of the officers orders the firefighter to move onto the sidewalk as another bystander also demands that officers check Floyd’s pulse.

        At about seven minutes and 46 seconds into the video, shortly after an ambulance arrives at the scene, the firefighter says to the officers, “Listen, I’m a first responder from Minneapolis, the fact that you guys aren’t checking his pulse and doing compressions if he needs them, you guys are on another level!”

          1. “So what if she’s young and a rookie? She did the right thing.”
            ***
            Not really. She seems more interested in yelling orders and taking pictures–being confrontational–than actually helping. Her behavior appeared to be intensifying the confrontational mood of others present and that, in turn, provoked a negative response from the police.

            Recently I saw how it could be done. A man on a Harley was hit from behind near an intersection and his bike flipped, landed on him, and by his comments may have broken his hip.

            A doctor stopped and went directly to the injured man and introduced herself, calmly [this is not a time to increase emotion] and began asking questions about where he hurt, whether he had sensation in his limbs, etc. Another person came up and said he did or had worked with the fire department and began to reach to remove the injured man’s helmet. You really don’t want to be manipulating someone’s heard for a helmet at that time. The doctor told him to stop with the helmet and other movements until he could be safely moved on a board to where he could be examined carefully. That settled it–quietly–and soon an ambulance and several police arrived. The police controlled the traffic and the doctor introduced herself to the ambulance crew quickly filled them in and then got out of their way.

            Instead of yelling orders to the police and holding her camera up I think I would have preferred to see this rookie put the stupid phone in her purse, introduce herself quietly, and offer to help take Floyd’s pulse since he appeared to her to be slipping. She might also have tried to calm the crowd by assuring them everything is being done and that she is with the fire department and will try to help the officers if they wish.

            She escalated the noise, the tension, and the confrontational nature of this encounter when she should have been working in the opposite direction, quiet, calm, here to help. I wonder if the way she handled it is why someone felt the need to say she was a rookie.

            The video clip does not show her in a very good light.

            1. Apparently others thought the video of the unpleasant firefighter did not show her in a very good light. It has been pulled from one of the links above and mostly removed from the other.

              She seems a poor choice for the fire department. Maybe a quota hire.

    2. “I am a Captain on the Minneapolis Fire Department.”

      Funny, it seems he goes by the name anonymous as well. Neither of you has credibility.

      1. “Neither of you has credibility.” -S. Meyer

        lol

        Tweedledumber’s pal (Tweedledumb) taught him this and now he won’t shut up…

        It may sound good to some, but it’s meaningless…

    3. Did it not strike you that by raising her voice, holding up her phone, and shouting angry orders at the police she was making the entire situation more confrontational and dangerous?

      Perhaps it would have been better if she quietly identified herself to the police and offered to help, be one on the team rather than one of the angry crowd.

      The video does not show her in a good light.

  6. Related to the discussion, downthread, related to CPR and other emergency measures taken (or not taken) by police:

    In Rochester, Minnesota there are AEDs (automatic external defibrillators) in every ‘marked patrol car.’

    https://www.rochestermn.gov/departments/police/early-defibrillation/how-it-works

    “All of our marked patrol cars are equipped with automatic external defibrillators (AEDs). Experience has shown us that police officers are typically in a better position to respond to medical emergencies. Our officers will often arrive at the scene two minutes or more ahead of the ambulance and can use those minutes to improve the odds that a victim of cardiac arrest will survive. Police officers arriving at the patient’s side will assess the patient, relay that information to the responding Gold Cross paramedics and administer whatever primary care is possible, including defibrillation and CPR if necessary.”

    Minneapolis police didn’t have a defibrillator in their vehicle, but Floyd’s pulse should have been checked, when he stopped communicating with police, and emergency measures taken, if necessary.

    1. Truthfully, does anybody really give a hoot about George Floyd??? He is not the kind of person you would want to meet on a dark street. Personally, I wonder how many people George helped kill. If he was using Fentanyl, then he was most likely dealing the stuff too. That is how junkies work. Sooo, how many people did he help kill with that stuff.

      ” Synthetic opioids, primarily fentanyl, account for the greatest number of fatal overdoses, overtaking commonly prescribed opioids in 2018.”

      https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/injury/data/mndosa.html

      They even have charts at the link!

      As far as I am concerned, it was good riddance to bad rubbish! But everybody’s trash is somebody else’s treasure, sooo, George got sold for $27 Million!

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      1. “Truthfully, does anybody really give a hoot about George Floyd???”

        Truthfully, if you were paying attention, you’d know that the answer is “yes.”

        1. “Truthfully, if you were paying attention, you’d know that the answer is “yes.”

          But why didn’t the left care about all those now dead nursing home seniors. Shucks, the left gave Cuomo an Emmy for his performance and leftists ate it up.

          1. “It’s someone who calls herself ‘Squeeky Fromm.’ So, there’s that.”

            Squeaky has an identifiable name and even a persona on the Internet.

            You, on the other hand hide your head in shame yet you keep supporting leftists killing seniors and cancel culture.

              1. That was me, Squeaky. You may not have been here, but more frequently than not when Anonymous gets his attacks of the crazies, I respond to him as anonymous so that people throw away my comments and his before reading. I am trying to help people save time.

                1. “I respond to him as anonymous so that people throw away my comments and his before reading. I am trying to help people save time.”

                  rothfl

                  you’re such a freak, Meyer

                  “I am trying to help people save time.”

                  maybe you should do a little poll and see how that’s working out…

                  my god, you’re an idiot

                  lol

                2. If you actually wanted to help people save time, Allan, you’d ignore the anonymous commenters instead of trolling.

                  1. +100

                    He loves to play games and is trying to suppress speech — speech that he doesn’t like — and anonymous speech.

                  2. People have a choice. They can throw anonymous comments in the sewer before reading or they can read the comments solely to laugh at your stupidity.

                    1. Awww, Allan’s helping people to understand what they should read and what they should disregard. What a self-important guy.

                    2. “Allan’s helping people to understand what they should read and what they should disregard.”

                      Anonymous I haven’t answered most of your comments that are pure insult. This one, however, speaks to who and what you are. You are anonymous, a non-credible, contentless boor who is unable to take his place among men. Instead you cower under the alias anonymous and have created a whole bunch of pretend friends to pat you the back. That is pathetic, but it proves a lot of my points.

                      Yes! IMO all anonymous postings should be thrown out because this is what we get with people that are so cowardly they can’t even use an alias.

    2. First let all us applaud Cuomo’s Emmy so anonymous can be placed in a good frame of mind.

      “Minneapolis police didn’t have a defibrillator in their vehicle, but Floyd’s pulse should have been checked”

      Should Covid tests have been checked before Cuomo placed people back in nursing homes?

      Did not taking the pulse kill Floyd? No. Floyd Killed himself. Did the nursing home patients die because they killed themselves? No. Cuomo was in charge of the order to place Covid positive patients back in nursing homes. However to protect a leftist killer you personally blamed the nursing homes.

      What type of person does that make you?

    3. Anon– Your comments about Rochester police having emergency equipment–which is good–seems to relate primarily to situations where the police are the first on the scene of a medical emergency.

      I suspect their de facto procedures have a different aspect when they are dealing with a criminal resisting arrest and a potentially hostile crowd is gathering round. In that situation the street is less like an emergency room than a mixed martial arts arena just before the fight begins and the crowd goes wild.

      If your focus doesn’t shift sooner or later someone will be checking your pulse.

      1. My remark about focus shifting sooner or later related to the police in a complex situation, not to Anon, whoever that is/

      2. That’s a good observation Young. One of the possible interpretations for why Chauvin was using the knee on the neck hold, is that it is a “hands free” hold, and he was worried about the crowd and looking around wondering which onlooker was going to jump him.

  7. Well, on the bright side there is some really humorous stuff going on. If you like your humor like I like my coffee, very very dark. George Floyd’s brother said that he would rather have his brother back as opposed to having $27 million. Oh bwahahahahahaha! If push came to shove, that family would done George in themselves for 2 large.

    George Floyd was a drag on society and his family for decades. A worthless, criminal drug-dealing junkie. Yet his family got paid off like a Microsoft truck clobbered a bus load of orthopedic surgeons or something.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    1. Glad to know that you’d trade the life of a family member for money, Squeaky, as long as the amount is large enough.

      1. “Glad to know that you’d trade the life of a family member for money, “

        What did Cuomo trade those seniors lives for?
        What made Cuomo lie.
        What made Cuomo pass a law to protect himself from criminal or civil suit?

        Glad to know you and your ilk were willing to trade thousands of lives for an Emmy.

      2. Nobody in George Floyd’s family gave a crap about him. Look how George Floyd was living. George was an ex-con, thug, druggie, drug dealer and his family had either written him off, or never cared much in the first place. Have you seen any evidence they tried to get him into rehab, or church? You are a fool if you believe they would prefer to have that piece of crap back in their lives as opposed to $27 million.

        Of course, nobody is going to say that in front of the camera. I had a relative die this year. The only thing his direct family cared about was how much money he was going to leave them. They acted all sad, but they never came to visit with him and their first question was, did he change the will before he died. That is human nature, and even more true in the peeps of color community. For the most part, black lives do not matter to blacks. That is pretty evident if you will open your eyes.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

  8. Bottom line: there are two justice systems! Laws only apply to certain people. Today there is virtually no risk of penalty for officials violating U.S. Supreme Court rulings (“the supreme law of the land”). Officials can blatantly violate “Carpenter v. US”, torture, Cointelpro style blacklisting, warrantless domestic spying (the foundation for these abuses) and break virtually any law – nothing happens – not only is there no penalty but many get promoted for violating their Oath of Office loyalty pledge. Bush torture attorneys at DOJ got promoted for violating federal law and we destroyed the previously legal whistleblowers that upheld their oath of office.

    The dangerous part is most Americans now know there are two justice systems and no longer believe America is “Equal Justice Under Law”. Americans know the game is rigged.

    1. “Carpenter v. US”, torture, Cointelpro style blacklisting, warrantless domestic spying (the foundation for these abuses) and break virtually any law.

      Sanctuary cities and catch and release of Antifa and BLM, too. Local officials are just as lawless.

      Contempt for the law and the officials who mock it will reach such a crescendo that a dog-who-eats-all-the-other-dogs will crackdown, and instead of being appalled, the people will just be relieved. Bye-bye freedom.

      Trump is a pussycat compared to the iron hand that is coming, and the saddest part is that many of us will deserve that iron hand. I am ashamed at my own powerlessness to stop it.

    2. I’m not criticizing your comment. Zersetzung. I agree with you. I never supported torture. Torture can be effective, but my concern is that it would damage our message and our morals to permit it. I thought the matter was closed with Abu Ghraib, but I’m beginning to suspect that Abu Ghraib is just one episode in a larger moral slide that is ongoing.

  9. There is no doubt that Chauvin should have taken his knee off of Floyd’s neck well before he did so.

    For that, Chauvin needs to face justice, and a jury of his peers. Who are bound to determine exactly what charge(s) Chauvin is guilty of “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

    But thanks to the Antifa/BLM fascists who are already threatening the city of Minneapolis with violence if Chauvin isn’t given a sentence that satisfies their own personal whims, he will not get a fair trial.

    As a result, they are creating a perfect argument for Chauvin’s attorneys to file an appeal to a higher court.

    That’s actually what the nihilistic trust funder fascists in Antifa anarchist crowd want to happen. That way they have an excuse to do the only thing they’re really interested in doing. That being destroy soft targets and “Burn it down”.

    In reality, they could care less about black Americans. Because the only black Americans the trust funders have ever known (if any at all) were in the service industry. Therefore, they didn’t really “know” them. They’ve just had brief interactions with them while being served by them.

    So, in reality they are still using black people to serve their interests, and could care less about them. They are just using them to their own detriment.

    It reminds me of LBJ creating a welfare state virtual Democratic voting plantation for American blacks masquerading as his “Great Society”, while simultaneously forcing them to go fight a useless war in a tropical meat grinder in SE Asia that only served the interests of Lyndon Johnson’s uber-wealthy Bosses in the MIC.

    Any black person who fails to see through their canard deserves whatever they get.

  10. There is now an “autonomous zone” in Minnesota. DC has turned into a militarized zone complete with thousands of troops and razor wire, because one small group of Trump supporters and a few Antifa broke into the Capitol building one time.

    Meanwhile, Democrats broke into the Capitol building and Senate offices during the Kavanaugh hearings. Democrats have looted, burned, rioted, and seized entire city blocks for months on end. They burned a police station. Regularly assault federal buildings. A federal courthouse has been boarded up and is under siege for weeks, with bombs and gunfire. Police cars destroyed. Cops assaulted and murdered.

    Now they are threatening jurors that they’d better bring a guilty verdict or they will burn the city down.

    At what point will Democrats admit there is a good reason to be afraid of their party.

    Fear the Left. They will cancel you, ruin you, get you fired, blacklist you, try to keep you from ever working again, impoverish you, hound you in restaurants, burn your house and business down, threaten you, harass you at universities across the US, assault you for wearing political clothing…

    This is the Left who vote Democrat. Do they really have no idea how everyone else views them and their party? Democrats are afraid of their own party. Parents who vote Democrat are afraid to object to the racist critical race theory taught in schools, or transgender curriculum that makes more kids confused about their gender. They say they will be ruined if they speak up.

    The Democrat Party is turning into Brown Shirts. The Red Army.

    Do something! Stop this! Stop voting Democrat or all your complaints will be ignored.

    For God’s sake you put a senile man in the White House who can’t be trusted to answer reporters’ questions.

    What have you done?!

    https://youtu.be/BHTVVI6O9Z8

    1. Actual Trump supporters would not damage the Trump image by rioting in D.C. or anywhere else.

      Rioting is what the communist parasites do…because Americans allow them to…they pay no price.

      Some Trump supporters were incited by BLM and Antifa, and encouraged by guards and police to enter the Capitol as if they were on tour.

      You can bet the farm that the whole riot in the capitol was a set up.

      Pearl Harbor, JFK, MLK, RFK, the Gulf of Tonkin, Flight 800 and 9/11 were all set ups – it’s what the Deep Deep State does for a living.

    2. You’re assuming the votes were accurately counted and that the American people legitimately elected Biden.

    3. You’re starting up your “the Left” crap again, and are adding the “Joe Biden is senile” theme your pastors at Fox keep hammering, along with attacks on Democrats. Karen: how can you speak about how “everyone else” views the Democrats when they: 1. won the White House; 2. Won the Senate and 3. Won the House? Biden has already beaten Trump in approval ratings. Republicans are the losers here, and your orange hero is part of the reason. The party that’s afraid are the Republicans. They have to gerrymander to avoid getting entirely shut out of Congress. So, they keep kissing up to the fat, orange TV performer who stirs up riots and keep going along with The Big Lie even though they know better. Now, you’re accusing Democrats of being Nazis and communists. Democrats didn’t “break in” to oppose Kavanaugh. Democrats aren’t the ones who looted, burned or did rioting. In fact, your hero’s supporters who were dumb enough to believe The Big Lie did this to our nation’s Capitol, along with urinating and defecating in the offices of Democratic office holders, while erecting a gallows to hang Mike Pence because he wouldn’t ignore validly-cast votes and award the election to Trump, which he had no power to do. Do you have any idea how unhinged you sound with your baseless allegations and generalizing of acts violence to the entire Democratic party?

  11. Dr. Natacha wants us to believe that the drugs in Floyd’s system had no effect on his death. https://www.verywellhealth.com/crystal-meth-causes-severe-heart-damage-3892537. If you have health issues and a substance that endangers your health is transmitted into your system you place yourself in danger of death. As an illustration, if you have health issues and you contact COVID your chance of death are greatly increased. No one in poor health would purposely introduce COVID into their system. However, Floyd was in poor health and purposely ingested Meth and to top it all off Fentanyl into his body. It must then follow that George Floyd had already poisoned himself before his encounter with the police. However, none of these facts are going to make a difference to the rioters. The riots will happen even if they hang Chauvin in the town square. The riots will occur because of the encouragement of race-baiters like Natacha. When black rioters and black victims of the rioters die they won’t give a damn. The victims of the riots will not have Meth or Fentanyl in their bloodstreams. To make George Floyd’s name as a martyr equal with that of Martin Luther Kings is a travesty to black history. The riots will be only an expression of hate against a group of people because of the color of their skin. Injustice will have very little to do with it.

    1. I didn’t say that at all: I said there’s an obvious cause to his death: Chauvin’s knee on his neck, coupled with pre-existing cardiovascular disease and hypertension, plus the stress beginning with his complaint of claustrophobia, coupled with asphyxiation. Pressure on the neck alone can kill an adult by compression of the carotid sinus which can stop your heart. Your “it must follow” logic is severely flawed: post-mortem levels of fentanyl and methamphetamine are provably elevated and do not correlate with pre-death levels. But…you are Trumpster and disciple of Pastor Hannity, so you believe. Science be damned.

      1. So Natacha continues to play down the effects of Meth and Fentanyl. Dr. Natacha is somehow trying to tell us that the levels of these drugs in George Floyd’s system were not high enough to have an effect on a man with pre-existing heart and lung maladies. Injection of Meth and Fentanyl into a healthy person might not be a contributing factor to a death, but it is understood that these substances have an undesirable effect on those in ill health. We should all understand that Natacha has a degree in toxicology so we must not question her twist on things. Science be damned. Natacha, why is this so hard for you to understand. The fact is that you have your devils and your not going to let anyone take it them away from you. A god is not required for your religion but a devil is.

      2. Doctor Natacha, had you said that a knee on George Floyd’s neck was a contributing factor I might have considered your statements with more charity. Your pronouncement that he died from one cause and one cause only reveals a bias that is looking for any thread to bolster a preconceived assumption. I believe that a knee on the neck could be a contributing factor to death, but an honest assessment would consider all the factors present. Your quest is as a rock searcher turning up every rock in order to find a racist that you are convinced is hiding there.

      3. “post-mortem levels of fentanyl and methamphetamine are provably elevated and do not correlate with pre-death levels.”

        I realize that you cut and pasted that from some talking points memo.

        But try to explain in detail how post-mortem levels of any drug are:

        A) “provably elevated”

        and

        B) “do not correlate with pre-death levels”

        in the case of George Floyd?

        I realize that it is extremely difficult. But try not to use the word “Trump” in your answer.

        “Science be damned”, indeed.

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