We have now reached the six-month anniversary of the investigation into border patrol agents that President Joe Biden declared guilty of whipping migrants at the border. Biden and the media spread a false story based on a misleading picture of mounted agents using a whip to guide his horse. While the Administration promised a conclusion to the investigation within days or weeks, it has continued to refuse to release any results and insists that it remains “under investigation.” The concern is that the Administration does not want to contradict the President who proclaimed the guilt of the agents and promised that they would be punished before they were investigated, let alone adjudicated. Six months ago, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas promised that the investigation would be “completed in a matter of days, not weeks.”
YouTube still features videos falsely claiming that the agents whipped migrants:
The agents were responding to a large influx of undocumented migrants in Del Rio, Texas on Sept. 19. The media exploded with condemnations from politicians and pundits. Media stories presented the whipping as fact as the “Whipping (of) Haitian Asylum Seekers.”
Democratic politicians like Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) declared that the whipping was “worse than what we witnessed in slavery” and described “the cowboys who were running down Haitians and using their reins to whip them.” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer decried “images of inhumane treatment of Haitian migrants by Border Patrol—including the use of whips.” Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) called it simply “white supremacist behavior.” Many in the media went into high gear, denouncing what one outlet described as the “Whipping (of) Haitian Asylum Seekers.”
However, Biden’s behavior was the worst, due to his position as head of the Executive Branch: “It was horrible what — to see, as you saw — to see people treated like they did: horses nearly running them over and people being strapped. It’s outrageous. I promise you, those people will pay.”
By announcing that the agents were guilty and needed to be punished, Biden destroyed the credibility of the Department of Homeland Security’s ongoing investigation.
The problem is that the photographer himself quickly stated that it was false and “nobody saw a Border Patrol agent whipping.”
Once debunked, the White House and virtually all of the media went into a familiar radio silence. It was sent to “investigation” and buried.
It is now six months later and the Biden Administration continues to maintain that the agents remain under investigation. Obviously, the falsity of President Biden’s declaration was established within days. It did not take days, let alone months, to determine if the agents did or did not “strap” or whip these migrants.
A classic response to such scandals is to bury them in investigation to wait for public attention to wane. You can do that by changing the question. For example, what began as an investigation into whether agents used reins to whip migrants might be converted into a long investigation into the use of horses in crowd control operations. That will take a lot of time and, when the report is issued, the actual whipping allegation can be buried in a broader policy debate. That will allow the media, as well as the Administration, to focus on the policy as opposed to the personnel involved.
Of course, President Biden was declaring the guilt of people who should have rights of due process and an expectation of a modicum of fairness. However, their innocence is now an inconvenient fact for both the Administration and many in the media. So they languish in legal purgatory.
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“SO I’M GLAD HE LEFT.”
It would be nice if Turley would state his opinion. I’d bet you folding money that Turley respects Mike Wallace. Turley keeps his mouth shut when speaking freely might jeopardize his position at Fox.
Once again when JeffSilberman senses that he is losing an argument he changes the subject and he goes to his much used magic elixir Fox News. JeffSilberman has no concern for a President who declares people guilty as a knee jerk reaction instead of waiting until all the facts are in. Most important to JeffSilberman is his Fox News Turley connection mania. Joe Biden is the top police officer in the nation but JeffSilberman doesn’t care about the present sheriff in town telling us that people are guilty before the investigation is complete. We know how the most righteous JeffSilberman rolls. Fox Fox Fox Fox ad nauseam. Jeff swims in the pool where the thinking water is very shallow and as he paddles away in the two inch thinking water he says look Ma I can swim. She smiles at his immature exuberance.
You have a very vivid imagination! Bravo! Yes, I stay on point. I will continue to bring to the few remaining NeverTrumpers on this blog the items in the news which Turley ignores. Not unlike Turley reminding the Democrats of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal which the MSM wrongly ignores. Turley and I have that in common.
Come on JeffSilberman, this is the first time we have seen you post anything negative about Hunter Biden. You write of how Professor Turley overlooks subjects that you deem to be important but you overlook the leftwing media suppressing a story that would have had an effect on an election for President. In your lame attempt to seem fair you come out now once the MSM has admitted that the laptop is authentic to say that you agree with the Professor. Fox news has been saying for a year that the laptop is the real deal. The question then must be where has JeffSilberman been for the last year telling us that he has been agreeing with Fox News’ assessment of the veracity of the laptop? Not a wisper. JeffSilberman just thinks that it makes up for everything if he is very very late to the party. All the guests at the party know that he has arrived at the very last moment and acts like he’s been there all along.
I think others here may bear witness that I agreed with Turley long before now that he was correct in criticizing the MSM for ignoring the Hunter laptop. I have always said that I don’t care if Hunter is found guilty of corruption as well as impeaching Joe if he was complicit. No one is above the law. No one.
I will look at old posts by Turley about Hunter’s laptop to prove that I had posted my agreement with Turley long before now. I hope you will acknowledge your mistake when I do.
I posted this previously:
“For what it is worth, I want to go on the record to state that I agree that the MSM is ignoring the Hunter story. The question is why. First, I don’t care to watch the Hunter tapes. I would not watch the claimed Trump prostitute tapes if they existed. I don’t get my news from the low brow National Enquirer because it is salacious.”
“If Joe made obsequious comments about Putin and Russia as did Trump, then Hunter would be a story that the MSM I believe would cover, for it would then appear that Putin had some blackmail material on Joe. But Joe does not fawn over Putin and take his side against our own. Moreover, how could Putin blackmail Joe by exposing Hunter for what he is? It is well known! Joe ought to be questioned absolutely about Hunter’s disgraceful conduct especially his being paid obscene amounts of money for his “art.” That does look like influence peddling. And if there are any kickbacks to Joe, impeach!”
“Until there is some evidence of corrupt influence on, or financial gain to, Joe from Hunter, exposing Hunter as a bad person is simply guilt by association which is not responsible journalism. The MSM took issue with Trump Jr’s public statements. Did the MSM expose his private life in order to shame Trump personally?”
“To me, the main blind spot of the MSM is its failure to investigate and demand answers about Joe’s mental health. That is a story that effects his presidency and our national security. It is inexcusable not to cover this major story.”
“Finally, let me add that pointing out the bias in the MSM does not excuse the bias at Turley’s Fox News. Neither Turley nor Fox has said word one about the recent release of the DOJ documents showing that Trump wanted the DOJ to merely announce an investigation into voter fraud in order to give him more ammunition to spread his Big Lie- a lie about which Turley remains silent to this very day. So, you’ll forgive me that I don’t take Turley seriously, for his own hypocrisy undermines his bona fides.
Predictably, both the MSM and Fox feed their preferred narratives to their respective audiences. Can we not at least acknowledge that unsurprising fact?”
So JeffSilberman you posted something derogatory to Hunter Biden. The important question is the time line of your postings. Was this after or before the left wing media finally admitted that the Hunter laptop was genuine. When did you admit that Fox News had it right all along? When did you tell us that you believed that the laptop wasn’t Russian disinformation? When did you tell us that the Steele Dossiers was paid for by the Hilary campaign? When did you tell us that you were outraged by the coverage of the laptop and the Dossier by CNN and MSNBC? When did you say that you were aghast at Hunter Biden receiving fifty thousand plus dollars per month from Burisma for doing nothing? When did you explain that when Joe Biden said he never met with any of the people his son was doing business with he was not being honest? I’ll tell you how many times you warned us of these things. Exactly zero. When did you say that Fox News goy it right in every instance named above? No, what you did is you said that they got it wrong each and every time. Now you say oh Turley and I sometime think alike. You are simply juat a master at the backhanded compliment. Nothing more.
I realize that I am wasting my time trying to convince you of something that you refuse to believe, but I had stated in the post above:
“Neither Turley nor Fox has said word one about the recent release of the DOJ documents showing that Trump wanted the DOJ to merely announce an investigation into voter fraud”
That refers to this announcement:
“Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me” and to congressional allies, Mr. Donoghue wrote in summarizing Mr. Trump’s response.”
This NYT article was published on July 30, 2021. I DID criticize MSM for ignoring the Hunter laptop long before now. I rest my case.
As a rider, I am deeply offended at the maligning of mounted Border Patrol. Those were split reins, not whips.
They use mounted officers rather than sending them on foot because they are vastly outnumbered and could easily be overrun. A good horse is more effective than a single human in blocking people trying to get around. Some of the illegal aliens are hostile, and there have been a few on the terrorist watch list.
A horse is also an advantage when the ground is too rough for a vehicle. The rider can also pack in water, a heat reflective blanket, and emergency supplies for hapless migrants who are abused, neglected, or abandoned by the violent cartel members they paid thousand of dollars to transport them.
Gaslighting, misinformation, and targeting innocent people has been all too common in the Biden Administration. This investigation should have been wrapped up in 30 minutes.
Here’s some virtual pets and carrots to the maligned grey and chestnut, and solidarity for the riders.
“I am deeply offended at the maligning of mounted Border Patrol.”
As a law enforcement officer today, one can do one’s job *properly*, then run the risk of being pilloried, fired, imprisoned — all to satisfy a mob’s lust for blood.
So much for the idea that human sacrifices are relics of the Aztecs.
Sam, thank you for protecting a thankless public. Policing is a dangerous job. After a few years of hating and defunding the police, now the Left blames the police for the surge in crime, rather than bow their heads in shame and admit the murderous consequences of their own policies.
The mob is fickle.
Judge Carter has ruled that John Eastman must release his Trump emails to the J6 committee, also finding that Trump likely committed a felony, that Eastman likely conspired with Trump, and that the crime-fraud exception applies.
Thanks for posting this decision. Do you think it will finally prompt Turley to pass judgment on the court’s tentative opinion of Eastman’s and Trump’s intent? Here is a damning summation:
“A person violates § 1512(c) when they obstruct an official proceeding with a corrupt mindset. The Ninth Circuit has not defined “corruptly” for purposes of this statute.222 However, the court has made clear that the threshold for acting “corruptly” is lower than “consciousness of wrongdoing,”223 meaning a person does not need to know their actions are wrong to break the law. Because President Trump likely knew that the plan to disrupt the electoral count was wrongful, his mindset exceeds the threshold for acting “corruptly” under § 1512(c).”
“President Trump and Dr. Eastman justified the plan with allegations of election fraud— but President Trump likely knew the justification was baseless, and therefore that the entire plan was unlawful. Although Dr. Eastman argues that President Trump was advised several state elections were fraudulent,224 the Select Committee points to numerous executive branch officials who publicly stated225 and privately stressed to President Trump226 that there was no evidence of fraud. By early January, more than sixty courts dismissed cases alleging fraud due to lack of standing or lack of evidence,227 noting that they made “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations”228 and that “there is no evidence to support accusations of voter fraud.”229 President Trump’s repeated pleas230 for Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger clearly demonstrate that his justification was not to investigate fraud, but to win the election: “So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.”231 Taken together, this evidence demonstrates that President Trump likely knew the electoral count plan had no factual justification.”
“The plan not only lacked factual basis but also legal justification. Dr. Eastman’s memo noted that the plan was “BOLD, Certainly.”232 The memo declared Dr. Eastman’s intent to step outside the bounds of normal legal practice: “we’re no longer playing by Queensbury Rules.”233 In addition, Vice President Pence “very consistent[ly]” made clear to President Trump that the plan was unlawful, refusing “many times” to unilaterally reject electors or return them to the states.234 In the meeting in the Oval Office two days before January 6, Vice President Pence stressed his “immediate instinct  that there is no way that one person could be entrusted by the Framers to exercise that authority.”235
“Dr. Eastman argues that the plan was legally justified as it “was grounded on a good faith interpretation of the Constitution.”236 But “ignorance of the law is no excuse,”237 and believing the Electoral Count Act was unconstitutional did not give President Trump license to violate it.”
“Disagreeing with the law entitled President Trump to seek a remedy in court, not to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process.238 And President Trump knew how to pursue election claims in court—after filing and losing more than sixty suits, this plan was a last-ditch attempt to secure the Presidency by any means.”
“The illegality of the plan was obvious. Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections.239 Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the Vice President to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election. As Vice President Pence stated, “no Vice President in American history has ever asserted such authority.”240 Every American—and certainly the President of the United States—knows that in a democracy, leaders are elected, not installed. With a plan this “BOLD,”241 President Trump knowingly tried to subvert this fundamental principle.”
“Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021.”
Turley, what is your legal analysis? It strikes me that Trump’s only defense is the George Constanza defense, that is, if Trump REALLY believed there was massive voter fraud then he had no corrupt intent. BUT, is he earnestly that blind and stupid? Or perhaps, he is a conman as Turley noted when he called him a “carnival snake charmer.”
I doubt that Turley will address is unless he can figure out a slant that will feed Trumpist rage.
Well, I can’t find where Turley has said anything about Eastman’s role in the events of 1/6. Even if Turley is reluctant to criticize Eastman, he will be hard-pressed to claim that Eastman and Trump were acting without corrupt intent when Turley’s bestie Bill Barr said unequivocally that these election claims were utter “bullsh*t.”
Turley’s in a tough spot to reconcile Trumpists’ and Fox’s contention that claims of massive voter fraud were made in good faith when a person whom he respects says they were total crap and impartial judges are also finding that they were- more likely than not- lies.
I see that Eastman’s lawyers have released a response. In part: “He intends to comply with the court’s order. … [He] respectfully disagrees with the judge’s findings. Dr. Eastman asks all persons interested in this case to join him in calling upon the January 6tth committee to release all the evidence so the courts and the public can reach accurate conclusions about the matters involved.”
I’d love for the Committee to release a lot more evidence, though I assume that some should not be publicly released for security reasons. They’ve said that they’re going to have more public hearings, and I look forward to watching them.
I find it ironic that Eastman is asking that all evidence be released when he’s been withholding evidence and refused to answer over 100 questions.
The more evidence which comes out, the more damning the picture becomes. Turley’s silence is mystifying….
Turley has painted himself into a corner. He regularly cherrypicks on behalf of conservatives, so he has few liberal readers or supporters. He doesn’t want to alienate his conservative readers / supporters, so he ignores a lot of significant legal news that they dont want to hear.
True, but Turley can’t avoid disabusing the lying Trumpists indefinitely. As Trump’s culpability is litigated, eventually he will have take a stand as Barr did and call Trumpist claims “Bullsh*t.”
The sooner the better, for Turley and especially for Trump.
“[H]e’s been withholding evidence and refused to answer over 100 questions.”
You mean like the evidence Pelosi’s withholding (and the questions she won’t answer) about why she refused to approve the deployment of the National Guard?
A true investigation, as opposed to that political witch hunt, does not cherry pick who or what to investigate.
There will come a time when a publisher will come out with a coffee-table book titled ‘Biden’s Gaffes.’ There are already enough of them to fill a book, and the number seems to grow every week. When he was a Senator, none of his staff sought to ‘walk back’ his questionable comments. Even when he was Vice President, during those 8 years his staff didn’t find a compelling need to ‘walk back’ some of his more outrageous statements. But as the POTUS, and in his current condition, he requires ‘handlers’ and when he goes off script, his words circle the world and there are consequences to his utterances.
He is the only US President in recent memory, and perhaps in US history, who needs to be under constant ‘damage control’ by his staff.
This incident with the Border Agents on horseback will be in that coffee-table book and will be identified as a clear indication this President had mentally taken a turn for the worse. When you’re the POTUS, you do NOT do what Biden did, and you do not SAY out loud what Biden said.
So is it any surprise that here we are, six months later, in March of 2022, and he is uttering words that Putin can now use in propaganda as evidence, as proof, the America wants regime change in Russia, and has wanted it for years!
And in the news this week, a survey of Biden voters suggests that if they had known various facts about Biden that the mainstream media suppressed or buried they would not have voted for him, sufficient to have given Trump a 2nd term, it may be time for regime change in America.
Based off what some news outlets are calling the Russian response to Biden’s most recent “gaffe,” as muted.
Like when at Thanksgiving dinner, and grandpaw says something outragous, but everyone in the room knows gramps is on the decline, they just grimace, ignore it, and pass the mashed potatoes.
Seeing other world leaders, not just the Russians, response to Biden, they see the same thing, and pass the potatoes.
“[T]hey just grimace, ignore it, and pass the mashed potatoes.”
White House to the American public, the media, (and Putin):
“Do not listen to President Biden.”
The horse riders whipped them from their left hands. It was a commie attack.
The Biden Admin is too busy wrecking the economy to deal with issues on the border.
The ‘whipping of immigrants’ story is proof positive of the immense power of what could be construed as state-run media. If you can stomach it (I cannot for long), watch a bit of MSNBC or CNN to witness America and Americans dragged through the mud as part of a supposed broad racist culture.
Most of the media is Pravda for the Democratic Party.
Does anyone know the status of the officers involved while this alleged “investigation” is under way?
According to Fox News, “the agents were shifted to desk duty.”
I’m fine with opinion: conservative opinion, liberal opinion,” Wallace said. “But when people start to question the
truthnarrative — Who won the 2020 election? Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? — I found that unsustainable.
Silberman’s injection of the Wallace story is actually an appropriate example of how the Left doesn’t tolerate questioning their narrative. Just like with this whipping story, their “truth” was debunked early by FoxNews because they did what journalists are supposed to do…question the narrative. Wallace isn’t comfortable working for an organization that does that. He’s a media carpetbagger that saw an opportunity in the ruins of CNN to be their #1. All he’s doing now is selling his new show.
“Wallace isn’t comfortable working for an organization that does that. He’s a media carpetbagger that saw an opportunity in the ruins of CNN to be their #1. All he’s doing now is selling his new show.”
Even Bret Baier expressed the same concerns as did Wallace about Tucker’s advocacy journalism:
“Bret Baier Asked About Tucker Carlson’s January 6 Docuseries ‘Patriot Purge’: “There Were Concerns About It, Definitely”
Bret said to Kilmeade:
“Brian, I won’t go down this road. There were concerns about it, definitely, and I think the news division did what we do. We covered the story, and I wanted to do that all internally. Steve and Jonah made their decision, and it is their decision.”
Bret did not want to talk about it for the same reason we hear crickets from Turley. But if Turley were asked, what would he say? I can tell you one thing- Turley has a higher opinion of a professional journalist like Wallace than the “absurd reality television star” which he called Trump. Boom!
IF MR WALLACE CHOOSES TO LEAVE FOX AND GO TO CNN IT IS HIS DECISION. WHETHER I OR ANYONE ELSE AGREES OR DISAGREES IS OUR DECISION.
PERSONALLY I NEVER CARED FOR MR. WALLACE ON FOX. I THOUGHT HE DID NOT LIVE UP TO THE CONSERVATIVE VIEWPOINTS THAT MADE ME WATCH FOX SO I’M GLAD HE LEFT.
Suggestion: take your device off “Caps”.
People often scroll past all cap posts – looks strident.
“Biden and the media spread a false story based on a misleading picture of mounted agents using a whip to guide his horse.”
Let’s impeach Biden for that. 🙂
I don’t believe it is impeachable because he has his opinions and is soft in the head, but why not impeach him anyway since that has more validity than the two impeachments of Trump.
This is like the Capitol incident. Continued investigations when the information is available but not utilized by the left for political reasons.
Well, getting back to the gist of the post by Professor Turley. I suspect many of the critics who jumped to scream at the injustice of the pictures 1- never rode a horse and used reins, 2-heard that it was in Texas and any proper progressive knows that Texas is the gates of hell 3- never have been on a real river bank or been in country where even a military Hummer or other off road vehicle cannot go, 4-never tried to control a large crowd while standing by themselves in a large and uncooperative crowd, 5- progressive critics who believe that accusation is followed by hanging (figuratively) with out that slight little step called due process 6-never heard of the statement “well why don’t we wait and see what the investigation shows because there may be facts here that we are unaware of.” 7-you are like Jeff and have a 1 trick pony with no reins or direction.
Jeff’s pony has a single rein, the left one.
“you are like Jeff and have a 1 trick pony with no reins or direction.”
A “one trick pony” is “a person or thing with only one special feature, talent, or area of expertise.”
Thanks for the compliment! I admit that my special expertise is holding Turley accountable to the same standard of decency and integrity he holds the media competitors on the Left but not the Right of his employer Fox. I would not have to repeat myself if only Turley would not ignore legitimate questions.
The President of the United States is cognitively impaired. In his younger days, he was not the brightest bulb in the pack, though he manage to figure out how to leverage his power to enrich himself. If their is any doubt, let him take a physician administered cognitive test.
So here we are. His administration is a disaster and his polling is disastrous. Nearly everyone knows it. Americans are fed up with the smug elites who “know best” who don’t give a care about the truth, only raw power. They have little or no empathy for the folks who are hammered by fuel, grocery prices, and unending horse manure being shoveled out. Truth be damned. But spending five, six or seven dollars for a gallon of gas is visceral. Wait until triple fertilizer costs and farm fuel and transportation fuel trickles through.
He (his handlers) is among the influencers who abuse power and appear to enjoy putting the “peasants” in their place. Legacy news organizations are also a good part of the problem. Truth? Ha!! Give us dirty laundry.
The problem with impeachment is that Kamala Harris is next in line followed by Nancy Pelosi, at least until a new Congress is sworn in January, 2023 and we have a new Speaker. Hello frying pan followed by Hello fire leading to Hello flames of hell.
“The problem with impeachment is that Kamala Harris is next in line . . .”
The Left is trapped in their own wicked web. If they invoke the 25th Amendment (as the facts justify), then KH becomes president. Then the Senate is deadlocked (with no VP as tie breaker). That, then-deadlocked Senate, has to approve her choice of a new VP.
Debunked account of an agent whipping illegals from criminally entering OUR border (not the Ukrainian border) still under investigation.
1/6 unarmed white woman shot dead by capital police for exercising here citizens rights to protest. That investigation took about a 24 hour’s???
I tried posting this reply earlier, but it still hasn’t shown up, so I’ll try again and omit the link…
Babbitt wasn’t exercising her right to protest. She was in the midst of breaking into a highly secure location, the Speaker’s Lobby, which opens directly onto the House floor, while there were still members of Congress and staff in the House chamber. She was shot by a Capitol Police officer whose job it was to protect those members of Congress and staff, and after an investigation that lasted at least a couple of weeks, it was determined to be a justified shooting. You can read a lot of the investigation documents here: [link omitted this time, it’s a Judicial Watch page]
DHS should announce that these border agents did nothing wrong. It doesn’t serve the country to protect Biden and others from a finding that they jumped to the wrong conclusions. Even better if Biden and others act like adults and admit they were wrong. Just like it would be good for Margot to admit that she’s wrong about Babbitt having been shot “for exercising here citizens rights to protest.”
“Babbitt wasn’t exercising her right to protest. She was in the midst of breaking into a highly secure location”
She was protesting. You don’t know what her mindset was when unarmed she was shot dead without a satisfactory reason.
Focus on her actions, which all can see in the videos: she was in the midst of breaking into a highly secure location, the Speaker’s Lobby, which opens directly onto the House floor, while there were still members of Congress and staff in the House chamber. She was in the midst of climbing through a broken window in a locked door. She was warned to stop. She did not stop, and she was shot by an officer whose job it was to protect the members of Congress and staff who were still in the House chamber.
ATS, you are a liar. She was unarmed, entering a relatively secure area with more than one policeman. She couldn’t do much because she was traveling through a broken glass door where her hands and feet were visible, and she was trying to get through without being cut up. She was shot dead even though she was not a threat.
There was no adequate warning that she was about to be murdered. You are making things up and utilizing the limited data the left wishes you to see. She was recorded trying to make people calmer and stop doing bad things. She was an MP in the army. She protected this nation.
Anonymous the Stupid is more like a Stalinist or Maoist than anything else. If you like Stalin, you will like Anonymous the Stupid.
Anonymous, should the woman SCREAMING at SENATOR Jeff Flake, IN THE SENATORIAL ELEVATOR, been shot? Should the SCREAMING women that entered the Senators private areas during the Kavanaugh hearings have been shot?
Only a partisan fool like Anonymous would defend the lousy cop that shot an unarmed woman who was protesting. Imagine if a white cop shot an unarmed black woman throwing a bottle or rocks at other cops. Think the moron Anonymous would be defending the cop? The DC cop that shot Babbit never even had an investigation into his activities. His name was kept private until HE DECIDED to reveal himself. DOes this ever happen with other cops? Why?
The situations aren’t analogous.
As a start, all of the people you’re referring to entered the Capitol buildings legally, going through the screening process that checks whether they’re carrying any weapons. You should know by now that on the day that Babbitt was shot, hundreds of people broke into the Capitol buildings, avoided screening, and brought in weapons (e.g., bear spray, bats).
In addition, prior to Babbitt being shot, the Capitol Police attempted to evacuate members of Congress from the House and Senate Chambers (but been unable to evacuate some House members) and the Secret Service had taken the VP to highly secure location; nothing happened on the days you’re referring to that led to anyone having to be evacuated from the chambers.
In addition, neither the Senate gallery nor the elevator is a highly restricted area like the Speaker’s Lobby (you don’t say what “Senators private areas” you’re referring to — name them and we can check whether they are highly restricted; for all I know, your claim isn’t even accurate). There are rules that severely restrict who can enter the Speaker’s Lobby: “§ 4.1 Persons who are not entitled to floor privileges under Rule XXXII may not be admitted to the ‘Hall of the House or rooms leading thereto, which include the cloakroom and the Speaker’s lobby.”
In addition, in the events you refer to, no one was attempting to breach a locked door.
In addition, on the day of the events you refer to, no one had physically attacked any Capitol Police and no one had damaged the building.
It is *ludicrous* for you to suggest that the events are comparable.
Byrd shot an unarmed woman who was breaking into the Speaker’s lobby through the broken glass above a locked door while Representatives and staff were still in the chamber because they couldn’t be evacuated with the rest.
“The DC cop that shot Babbit never even had an investigation into his activities.”
That’s utter bullsh*t. The Judicial Watch page I referred to earlier links to **hundreds of pages** of interviews and other information that were part of the investigation of Babbitt’s shooting. You’re either ignorant or lying.
Morning drinking? True enough. Cant drink all day if you don’t start in the morning.
All the left has are lies.
They cannot debate the substance of any issue, without trotting out lies, long ago debunked.
The Biden administration falsely keeping Law enforcement officers in a state of limbo, base on a debunked lie. is just SOP for Biden and the Dems he leads.
Biden on his latest tip to foreign soil had to repeat the the lie, falsely claiming President Trump called thugs in Charlottesville ‘fine people”. Words never spoken by President Trump. But the lie is useful and the media will never push back on the lie. If Republican were so bad, Dems could use facts. But facts don’t support the Dem agenda, so repeat long ago debunked lies.
Like this example. It was never true. The truth was clear within hours of the video’s release. But the lie is the only ammunition Dems have.
“falsely claiming President Trump called thugs in Charlottesville ‘fine people”. Words never spoken by President Trump.”
Here’s the exchange:
REPORTER: “The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.”
TRUMP: “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.”
ATS is unable to respond completely. He relies on punctuation, snippets and double meanings. That isn’t a smart way to live. It isn’t a smart way to lie, either.
Trump excluded white supremacists and racists. He said they should be “condemned totally”.
You are the one and only ATS.
Anonymous the Stupid, are you talking to yourself again? You do it so much you probably don’t notice.
Anonymous the Stupid, you do talk to yourself a lot.
ATS, your name, your pretend friends, and your multiple other aliases are not enough for you. Now you want to transfer your identity to another. That is how bad your reputation is.
You are Anonymous the Stupid.
Anonymous the Stupid, you are a liar as pointed out by Karen S below.
You are Anonymous the Stupid.
Take a look at how many times people have to correct you Anonymous the Stupid. Karen S did it below and your response was Stupid as expected.
Anonymous the Stupid, you keep talking to yourself.
“Anonymous the Stupid, you keep talking to yourself.”
Anonymous the Stupid, whoever wrote that to you knows what he is talking about.
It was written to you, SM. You are the original Anonymous the Stupid. You hit the trifeca — stupid, dishonest, and insulting — every day.
Keep it up, Anonymous the Stupid. I want your name imprinted on everyone’s mind. I have a name you don’t.
Instead of posting misinformation as quotes, you could simply look at the actual video.
The exact quote is: “You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. … I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. … So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.”
When Trump said there were “very fine people” on both sides, do you think he believed Antifa were fine people?
There were good people who wanted the statues removed, and good people who wanted them to remain. Destroying art and history is anathema to many respectable people.
The locals opposed removing Gen Lee’s statue. They were the ones attending meetings, and protesting the removal. It was their opposition that created national scrutiny and generated a legal debate about public art. Unfortunately, Antifa, BLM, Neo-Nazis, and other bad actors made the most noise that day, turning all attention on themselves and detracting from the local issue. The press simply lied and claimed that everyone who attended were extremists. This made the Southern Heritage, conservatives, and anyone who would preserve historical artifacts lose interest in speaking to any member of the press.
Trump denounced white supremacy more often than any other president. Yet nearly every time he was interviewed by the Left wing press, the reporter would start out, “do you denounce white supremacy” as if they had absolutely no idea he’d already done so 437 times before. It was crafting a narrative, not reporting.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden gets a pass for:
-writing a letter opposing desegregating schools, saying he didn’t want his sons going to a “racial jungle”
-said Obama would have been fetching his coffee
-said of Obama “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
-said “if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black”
-said that Latinos were under vaccinated because they were afraid of getting deported, indicating he thought a majority of Latinos were illegal
-said, “unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”
-response to black reporter who asked if he would take the same cognitive test as Trump “That’s like saying you . . . before you got in this program, you’re take [sic] a test whether you’re taking cocaine or not,” Biden said. “What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?”
-eulogized Robert Byrd, former KKK Cyclops
-said “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
Karen, what do you mean “posting misinformation as quotes”??
I quoted accurately. I did not post any “misinformation.”
Don’t lie about my accurate quote by calling it “misinformation.”
Not all the people in Charlottesville protesting the removal of statues were nazis. Lots of good principled people are against the lefts attempting at rewriting history.
Very good people indeed.
You snippett of a part of a question and answer is intentionally edited to perpetuate the lie.
I didn’t suggest that “all the people in Charlottesville protesting the removal of statues were nazis.” Only some of them are neoNazis.
All I did was produce the quote where Trump referred to “very fine people.”
JS: Off topic again. Professor Turley is the author of the blog. He gets to choose the topics. You don’t.
Turley is also the one who determines what can be posted in the comments. He gets to choose whether Jeff’s comments remain. You don’t.
Anonymous the Stupid, Alma didn’t say Turley didn’t get to determine who can post. You made that argument against Alma.
Anonymous the Stupid is so stupid that he calls Catherine Cassidy “Alma.”
I can’t tell which is Anonymous the Stupid and which is anonymous for sure, but I think the latter claims that famous name. The one before made a mistake. Now ATS probably thinks that mistake was mine. He is WRONG! If not, he is insulting another anonymous figure—a nasty guy, that Anonymous the Stupid.
You are the one and only Anonymous the Stupid.
“Professor Turley is the author of the blog. He gets to choose the topics. You don’t.”
It’s called *free speech.” I warned readers by writing “OT” so that anyone could ignore my post. If I am violating the rules of the blog, the moderator will let me know. To date, he hasn’t.
The 1/6 rioters are getting their just desserts. You don’t hear Turley objecting to their prosecutions, do you? Were it up to him, Trump would have been censored by Congress for his conduct on 1/6. How does that grab you?
I’m sure you will dismiss Turley as a NeverTrumper.
Jeff tries to read Turley’s mind but fails. Turley might want to look at Jeff’s mind, but it is doubtful one will be found.
The Dems support a harsh justice for despised minorities; just look at the 1/6 rioters.
But this two tier system breeds contempt and distrust. It weakens the fabric of the country.
Bad moves by the lefties; the price we will all pay is not yet clear.
“Chris Wallace On His Move To CNN+: “No Longer Felt Comfortable With The Programming At Fox”
“In an interview with the New York Times on Sunday, Wallace gave what is believed to be his first public statements on the reason he left his longtime media home.”
“Wallace claimed Fox News shifted in the months following Donald Trump’s defeat in 2020. He was also taken aback by Fox host Tucker Carlson’s take on the Jan. 6 uprising, and was disturbed by Carlson’s documentary, Patriot Purge, which defended the insurrection.”
“Before, I found it was an environment in which I could do my job and feel good about my involvement at Fox,” Wallace said of his time at the network. “And since November of 2020, that just became unsustainable, increasingly unsustainable as time went on.”
It’s telling that Turley is not volunteering his opinion of Wallace’s departure. However, he will not escape being asked how it was that he found it sustainable to continue at Fox when a universally respected newsman found it was not. Sooner or later, he will be held to account for his decision.
And another off-topic discussion trying to force Turley to attack Fox.
One trick pony.
No, depart from Fox as did Wallace. Turley undoubtedly respects Wallace. We know one thing for sure, that is, Turley did not call the idea of Wallace moderating a presidential debate as “OBSCENE” the exact word he used to react to the proposal of Newsmax CEO who suggested Trump might do so.
Turley had to explain things to Wallace, describing the hearing of ACB as a milk carton hearing. Turley had to explain the idea of consistency, something that can be foreign to Chris. Turley showed Chris Wallace not to be a snake charmer, which is what TV personalities are when they are on TV assuming certain roles, but that Chris was making unfounded assumptions which are not uncommon for Chris whose ego exceeds that of most well-accomplished people. Jeff’s ego is even greater, but he isn’t well-accomplished.
Are we sure that he (JS) is not Brian Stelter?
“Are we sure that he (JS) is not Brian Stelter?”
You really are ridiculous and exhausting, Jeff. Then again, sometimes I think that’s precisely the point. Shout your opinions from the mountain top, by all means, just don’t be stunned people here have both the cojones and the brains to call you out and refute you (rather than cut and pasted Pravda talking points), and that we will not be exhausted wasting our time on obvious trolls more than once in awhile.
“rather than cut and pasted Pravda talking points”
Are you suggesting that I work for Russia which tasks me to hold Turley accountable for what he says and does?
Jeff, just a little bit off topic here. But that is ok. Many do it. I hope the ” universally respected newsman” that you are referring to is not Wallace.
As you know I am a Conservative but not a Trump fan. But Wallace showed his true colors way before November of 2020. His ” moderating ” of the Presidential debate was appalling.
He was firmly in Biden’s corner. Cutting off Trump while allowing Biden to pontificate. The Adderall shot really kicked in that night.
Unfortunately, we don’t know what Turley thinks of Wallace. I searched his archives and found nothing. However, I’d bet he has a much higher opinion of him than you. As I pointed out, Turley did not object to Wallace moderating a debate as “obscene” as he had the notion of Trump. You’ll give me that, I trust.
Contesting Trump’s false statements at the debate may seem to you that Wallace is “firmly in Biden’s corner.” To me, he had a journalistic ethical responsibility not to allow lies to stand unopposed.
Jeff, Wallace repeatedly questioned Trump about denouncing white nationalists. Which he did. Pursuant to the much edited lie about ” fine people on both sides” . A lie which Dementia Joe just repeated on his ” gaffe” filled trip. And gaffe is in quotes because they are not gaffes. Or stuttering. They are blurted out mistakes of a man in cognitive decline.
He never asked Biden about his ” then you ain’t Black” remark. He never asked Biden about his ” don’t want my children to grow up in a racial jungle ” remark.
He never asked Biden about the eulogy of Byrd. A well know member of the KKK.
He wanted to paint Trump as a racist and absolved Biden of all of his racism.
To me that is NOT ” journalistic ethical responsibility”.
Ok. I don’t recall all these details as do you. I’ll concede the argument. You win this one! Still he was a far more suitable moderator than Trump would have been. You’ll give me that at least!
As far as Biden is concerned, he may be suffering from dementia. I’m no doctor. Are you? I agree he is not the man he used to be. Even so, he is a more effective leader of the free world than Trump who was ridiculed internationally. Worse, Trump admires Putin. Biden doesn’t.
Biden ignorance and corruption likely was a major precipitant in the Ukraine war.
Biden approved Nordstream 2 (etc.) while cancelling the Keystone pipeline and the Mideast pipeline. Those actions also caused harm to Ukraine while creating funds for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Jeff, I will give you the ” victory ” about Trump being a moderator as beyond stupid.
No I am not a doctor. But anyone that doesn’t realize and ADMIT that he is in cognitive decline is either blind deaf and dumb or lying.
As far as an effective leader of the world, I am way more concerned about being an effective leader of the U.S.
To that note, Biden is a total failure.
Anyone with a functional brain can IDENTIFY problems. The role of a President is to SOLVE problems.
Inflation, NO. Southern border NO.
Uptick in violent crime, NO.
First deny. Then admit.Then obfuscate. Them blame someone or something.
Outside of literally throwing money at a problem what policy solutions has this guy come up with for the previously stated catastrophes?
I would agree that Biden is old. Whether he is mentally unfit to command, I am not in a position to know. As far as the state of affairs in the U.S., I can’t lay all the blame on Biden after just one year or so in office. I don’t lay the blame of Covid on Trump though I do blame him for his denial of the severity of the pandemic. It’s too facile to hold the President accountable for all the problems in the country. The Governors and Mayors have to take some if not much of the blame. It’s a big country.
Jeff just for fun let’s go with common sense. Not the go to ” correlation is not causation” defense. Nearly everything is worse since Biden took office. And all I have heard were denials ( Inflation isn’t happening) mitigations ( inflation is transitory) obfuscation ( inflation is actually a good thing) and then a total lie ( inflation is Putin’s fault). I don’t hold Biden accountable for all of the problems. I would just like him to have a viable plan for solving one. Without blaming billionaires, Covid,
the supply chain, Putin or of course Trump. Weak people make excuses. Strong ones solve problems. It has been over a year now. When is it time for the President to be held accountable? I think that time will be November. As a betting man, I predict a bloodbath. As it should be.
His disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan was a portend of the ridiculous excuse making to come. First, kept trying to obfuscate the issue at hand. Kept repeating how most Americans favored getting out. THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE. It was the WAY we got out. Then when that did not work, went back to page 1 of the playbook. Blame Trump. Reversed basically everything that Trump had implemented in his 1st week in office. But he was bound by the arbitrary total evacuation
date set by Trump. Give me a FU**ING break!
I told you I voted for Bill Clinton both times. My life was pretty good under Bill. Never thought he should have been impeached. He did lie under oath. A felony. An impeachable offense. But like with the 2 Trump impeachments, it was an exercise in futility. And only served to divide the country.
And as I said before, my guess is that most people voted AGAINST Trump and not FOR Biden. The ultimate lesser of two evils.
Oh I forgot my favorite quote by Biden that Wallace never asked about.
” The first African- American who is articulate, and bright and clean and a nice looking guy” to describe Barack Obama.
Who is the racist?
Won’t live long enough to see an updated list of the worst Presidents. But I am confident that Joe will stand beside the likes of Taylor, Hoover, Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan.
I’m not here to defend Biden. I told you that I did not vote for him. I’m here to expose Turley’s hypocrisy for working at Fox and to shame him until he departs. Turley was far different than he is now that he is paid handsomely to sell out to Fox. If you did not see this, I repost it here:
As for Biden, I am indifferent to his presidency. I’m just grateful that a conman is not President. I wish Obama was still in office. Strong, liberal and intelligent. I don’t like to speak about something like the pullout of Afghanistan and the mayhem that occurred without being privy to everything that Biden and his commanders knew at that time including all the secret intelligence and back room deals with the Taliban. Then I could fairly judge his decision or rather his reliance on his Lieutenant Generals in the field. There is just too much unknown to me and you to pass judgment.
I would not mind a NeverTrumper Republican as president like Governor Larry Hogan. I’ve been impressed by his level-headedness. But at the moment, the Republicans have a problem on their hands with Trump- how to control him and his Trumpists against the Republican establishment headed by McConnell. If Trump is ever indicted and prosecuted as Judge Carter recently opined that he was more likely than not susceptible to, the Republicans will be faced with a civil war. Between those who will claim that no man is above the law and those Trumpists who will claim that the trial is rigged. Can’t wait!
In some ways you actually have your wish. Given the fact of the influence of Obama Administration members have on Joe. Susan Rice is the conduit.
The only problem is Joe is NOT strong or intelligent like Obama. I did not vote for Obama. And I realize what his agenda was. And that agenda got him elected. That is the way it works. I didn’t always agree with Obama but I respected him. I don’t have one ounce of respect for Joe. And that has very little to do with his cognitive decline. He simply is not that intelligent. So to preempt the inevitable ” what about Trump”, I know that Trump lies also, and I am not here to defend Trump, but all of Joe’s lies about academic achievement and numerous acts of plagiarism are indicative of a ” carnival snake charmer”. One who is not that smart but wants you to think he is.
On Afghanistan, I saw with my own two eyes and heard with my own ears Biden say to Stephanopoulos that U.S. troops would remain until EVERY American was out. Then after he bungled the timeline, and could not get EVERY American out, the new W.H. Bull**it changed to every American who WANTED to get out. Leaving Americans behind in a war zone? THAT is an impeachable offense. He also subsequently said he was not given intelligence that the generals said he was given. Somebody is lying.
I told you that I volunteer for a non profit that helps resettle refugees in the Chicago area. Just last week I had an Afghani helicopter pilot in my car. He was one of the last to leave. His parents are still there. From a man who has first hand knowledge, not a news organization, not our State Department,I know that all of the Americans who WANTED to leave did NOT GET OUT. Yesterday I met with a former Commander in the Afghani army. He confirmed the helicopter pilot’s story. Two people on the ground. I think that meets journalistic standards. And many SIV holders who should have been prioritized to leave are also still there.
Biden just wanted to fill the planes. So I am going to pass judgement.
As far as ” can’t wait”. I have a ” can’t wait” also.
I can’t wait until next year. When the Democrats can’t run a sitting President, something that has only happened 9 times. Twice because the sitting President was assassinated. Joe will not run. Or will be told he can’t run. And the original plan will not work. Kamala is unelectable. Unless they come up with a new qualification. The ability to make a great word salad. Her approval numbers are worse than Joe’s. And every time they try to improve her gravitas, she steps in it.
Not the incumbent? Not the V.P.?
This is going to be fun.
You have much more information about Afghanistan than I. I bow to your judgment on the matter. I thought you were referring specifically to the bombing at the airport as opposed to leaving Americans behind. Some of them were left behind no doubt, but some wanted to stay behind.
Sadly, I think Biden will run unless his health deteriorates further. I suppose that means Harris is next up. I don’t know if she is as unelectable as you think. Against Trump, who knows. I would like to see him and her run. I would like to see how Fox News will handle Trump’s continued lies that the election was stolen. Currently, Fox will not air his rallies live on account of his lies and the fact that Fox is being sued for advocating those lies initially. Will Fox air live his presidential rallies? I wonder.
Trump v. Harris will polarize this country even further.
“I’m not here to defend Biden. I told you that I did not vote for him. I’m here to expose Turley’s hypocrisy for working at Fox and to shame him until he departs. Turley was far different than he is now that he is paid handsomely to sell out to Fox. If you did not see this, I repost it here:”
The problem with such a statement is that it is false. Fox has been open to ideas from both sides of the aisle, though leftists have difficulty dealing with diversity.
Wallace proves the point.
“”Eighteen years ago, the bosses here at FOX promised me they would never interfere with a guest I booked or a question I asked — and they kept that promise,” Wallace continued. “I have been free to report to the best of my ability, to cover the stories I think are important, to hold our country’s leaders to account. It’s been a great ride. We’ve covered five presidential elections, interviewed every president since George H.W. Bush, traveled the world sitting down with France’s Emmanuel Macron and Russia’s Vladimir Putin.”
You are proving that you cannot handle differences of opinion without insulting those you disagree with.
“I do blame him for his denial of the severity of the pandemic. ”
Of course, you don’t know what you are talking about. One has to consider the date and what was known when Trump made each statement. One also has to understand how one leads.
You fail miserably in both spheres, but that is predictable because you haven’t demonstrated in-depth knowledge of anything to date.
Anyway, Trump was the one to close the borders to China while Biden was telling him he was wrong. Earlier, Fauci was telling him the virus wasn’t a big deal.
If you keep acting like a nitwit, you will never gain respect.
Yes, Chris Wallace, who has an ego almost as big as Jeff Silberman (who lacks the brain to match), was upset that FOX could have another show that Wallace didn’t approve of. Wallace wanted someone else’s show canceled because Chris Wallace’s ego is an expert on the placement of shows. Wallace probably was also offended that Tucker was on every day, and he only once a week. Chris Wallace left Fox. On CNN (which is in dire need of credibility), Chris discusses “space travel with the “Star Trek” actor William Shatner” proving he made the right move. Get out of politics where you never belonged. Go to space and stay there.
Chris Wallace didn’t want to work at the same place as Tucker Carlson…but he now works with Brian Stelter, Asha Rangappa (look her up), Jim Acosta, Oliver Darcy and a few other partisans idiots.
Fox finally dumped Christ Stirewalt, a terrible head of politics for the network, and now they lost Wallace. Addition by subtraction. They need to change their polling department since for some reason they give Biden his highest ratings. Oh, they could also do better than Howard Kurtz on Media Buzz. The show is ok, but he slants to the left and we don’t need that on the ONE AND ONLY right leaning network.
I love Bret Baier and his show and I challenge anyone to show me a more fair guy on any network out there. But I wish Bret would lost Juan Williams and Leslie Marshall on the great panel segment that he has. There are many left leaning people who are more fair and bright than Leslie and Juan. All Marshall and Williams do is parrot the Democrats company line and it is not helpful at all.