A Texas woman, Tiffani Gish, has been arrested after leaving an unhinged diatribe message for U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon (left) that threatened to kill the judge if she continued to order an independent review of seized material from Mar-a-Lago. According to the federal complaint, Gish used the fake name of Evelyn Salt to tell Cannon “stand the f**k down or get shot.” Gish appears unstable but she is precisely the reason why the use of “rage politics” is so dangerous on both sides in this election.[Warning: this story contains vulgar or offensive language].
Gish’s alleged voicemails on Sept. 1, 2022. The first message stated:
Hi, yes, this message is for Aileen Cannon, this is Evelyn Salt, I’m in charge of nuclear for the United States Government. Again, Donald Trump has been disqualified long ago, and he’s marked for assassination, you’re helping him ma’am. So, here’s what we’re going to do, we’re going to let you disarm fucking live nukes off your coffee table….how about you sit on an electric chair a couple times over…you think you’ve got the magical ability to pop up from the dead…pretending that you’re on the team of justice. Again, I told you he’s disqualified, he’s marked for assassination and so are you, you stupid botch, stand the fuck down or get shot…and guess what, I’m also Trump’s hitman, so consider it a bullet to your head from Donald Trump himself…
The name “Evelyn Salt” appears to be taken from the 2010 movie, Salt with Angelina Jolie. The message clearly shows a delusional and disturbed mind, including claims of a “license to kill.”
The threat follows an alleged assassination attempt against Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh by another unbalanced individual.
This is why I have been critical of both President Biden and former President Trump in their use of “rage rhetoric” for political gain. President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind. Such attacks will no doubt serve to rally supporters in both parties but it will also serve to enrage unstable figures who believe that they are righteous in threatening violence or taking actual violent steps.
The attacks on the judiciary from the left are particularly concerning, including Vice President Kamala Harris recently joining those unfairly calling justices “activists” and attacking their integrity.
Law professors and lawyers have also fueled this rage with unsupported attacks on our constitutional system. Some like MSNBC regular (and past writer for Above the Law and the Nation) Elie Mystal objected that Biden’s speech did not go far enough because it is not just “MAGA Republicans” but all Republicans who are white supremacists. Mystal and others have denounced the Constitution as “trash,” and even some law professors want to “reclaim America from Constitutionalism.”
This crisis of faith is being fueled by a failure of leadership in fueling the rising rage in our country. It was particularly chilling to see Biden denounce millions of voters as enemies of the state while flanked by two Marines in Philadelphia. While such speeches will bring out core voters, it will also bring out those unstable individuals who hear such words as an actual call to arms.
In what is becoming typically Turley, he takes a story about a disturbed person who threatened the Trump judge and tries to turn it into attacks against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. He also repeats his deceitful spin on the “attempted murder” of Kavanaugh. The man who was arrested: 1. was on the wrong street; 2. turned himself in by calling the police on himself because he realized he needed help. He didn’t try to kill Kavanaugh, he made no substantial steps toward doing so, and abandoned his effort to go Kavanaugh’s house, so there was no “attempted murder”–just typical Turley exaggeration calculated to stir up the disciples.
Turley has never discussed the shortcomings of the poorly-written and even more poorly-reasoned “opinion” on a “special master” issued Judge Cannon, nor the fact that Trump’s lawyer forum-shopped to get her instead of returning to Judge Reinhart who issued the search warrant. His assignment was to stoke the disciples’ belief that “the Left” are just as responsible for the divisions and violence in this country–something he knows isn’t true.
Deflection will not change anything. She’s an unhinged liberal as are most, but it’s MAGA who are the violent threat. Check.
You should call the police on yourself Natacha because you are seriously detached from reality. The Left ALWAYS shops for judges and it wasn’t Trump supporters burning the country down in 2020, or burning down food processing plants etc. in 2021 and this year. And it was the cheating Left who stole the 2020 election, which has done more than anything to divide the country and fuel violence.
Could a Magistrate Judge even have handled this request? Some lawyer here should know?
For a minute there I thought the Perp making the completely loony but dangerous threats would turn out to be Adam Schiff in drag!
Joe Biden just wants you to believe that all the 75 million people who voted for MAGA Donald Trump are fascist domestic terrorist. It is one thing to be a regular citizen nut case extremist on the right or the left but it is another thing to be a nut case extremist President Of The United States of America. The only thing that Biden left out is his plan to incarcerate anyone who supported Trump. Have you noticed that just before an election Joe Biden always reaches into his bag of demons? Remember that he said they’re going to put you all back in chains just before the 2020 election. He thinks that you are stupid enough yo fall for it again. He may be right.
I disagree that the phone message shows a delusional and disturbed mind. I would say that the person is a low-info/low-literacy (can barely write or speak intelligibly), but a militant, zealous Trump tribalist.
The use of death threats is not protected political speech. I’m glad to see the most consequential perpetrators (you have to threaten someone important like a Federal Judge) being investigated and caught.
That said, this law is supposed to protect EVERY American against death threats, and it is barely being enforced.
The FBI is not prioritizing everyday cases. Those could and should be used as examples.
When you’re incapable of heralding your administration’s accomplishments i.e. no inflation, low fuel prices, no tax increase, small government, low CRIME rate, excellence in education, tamper proof elections, secure border, well I guess you distract with “rage rhetoric”?
Trump administration “accomplishments” 1. Trashed Obama’s successful economy with tariffs that slowed imports of computer chips and consumer goods that resulted in shortages and supply chain delays that are still contributing to inflation; 2. historic national debt, helping to drive inflation on just interest payments alone, mostly due to tax breaks for the wealthy; 3. unnecessary deaths due to mishandling and lying about COVID–estimates are 130,000 Americans died unnecessarily while Trump lied and downplayed the seriousness of COVID; 4. alienated EU and NATO allies, which emboldened Putin into believing that the USA couldn’t pull together a successful challenge to his invasion of Ukraine; now Finland and Sweden both want to join; 5. unemployment rate north of 10% when Trump forced out of office; 6. factories, businesses, schools and restaurants forced to close for about 2 years due to unnecessary spread of COVID due to Trump’s lying about COVID, pushing fake cures, like Hydroxychloroquine; 7. Saddled Biden with a disasterous agreement with Taliban: turned loose 5,000 Taliban prisoners, didn’t involve the Afghans in negotiations, so they just gave up when we relied on at least 6 months of their support, no arrangements for air or land base, setting the stage for difficult withdrawal.
Biden: 1. got historic infrastructure package passed that will create thousands of good-paying jobs; 2. unemployment at less than 3.5%, which is considered full employment; 3. got legislation passed to give benefits to veterans, including burn pit compensation 3. pulled together EU and NATO allies to oppose Putin; 4. Got COVID under control–businesses, factories, schools and restaurants are open again. No more daily records set for infections and deaths; COVID relief to businesses and individuals helping economy to recover from Trump; 5. Pulled together resources for COVID immunizations–located ultra-cold freezers, PPE and locations for immunizations. Biden has done more good for America in less than 2 years than Trump ever did in 4 years.
And why shouldn’t Americans be outraged at Trump trying to start an insurrection because he isn’t man enough to admit that Americans rejected him, that he stole TS/SCI documents after being told he couldn’t take them, lied about returning them and is now trying to raise money by creating false outrage over his home being “raided”, when he left the DOJ no other choice?
Contrast the above with objective, measurable, verifiable data
https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-BIDEN/POLL/nmopagnqapa/index.html
Biden approval rating holds near lowest level of his presidency
SEPT. 13, 2022
U.S. President Joe Biden’s public approval rating held close to the lowest level of his presidency, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll completed on Tuesday.
It found 39% of Americans approved of Biden’s handling of his job, according to the two-day public opinion poll. That’s unchanged from a week earlier and not far from his lowest rating – 36% – which he had during several weeks between May and July.
The president’s approval rating has remained below 50% since August 2021, a warning sign that his Democratic Party could lose control of at least one chamber of the U.S. Congress in the Nov. 8 midterm election.
WASHINGTON — After weeks of unsuccessfully stoking Trump supporters towards violent action, the FBI has changed course, beginning internal discussions for executing a MAGA-style attack using FBI resources.
“We are already at Defense Readiness Condition 3 – this means that if the extreme MAGA wing doesn’t act, we will bypass the plainclothes agent phase to DefCon 1, bringing out our biggest weapon: Ray Epps.” FBI Director Christopher Wray addressed a round table of defense ministers, eliciting scattered gasps when he invoked Ray Epps, the famous FBI asset with expertise in starting insurrections.
https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-concerned-that-if-maga-doesnt-conduct-a-terrorist-attack-soon-theyll-have-to-fake-one
Maybe ‘twould be helpful to give at least one of Trump’s “quotes” mentioned as “in kind” to Biden’s
The plagiarist, the liar, the top of his class–NOT-, the racist bigot(according to the V.P.)- doesn’t know what day it is.
These issues will continue to eat away like cancer at what little morality remains in our beloved America, until the Leftists report the news fairly. That is what has enraged Trump fans. No matter what he does, the Left attacks him.
Bill Clinton is responsible for the Rwandan Holocaust and they remain silent. Even when he lied about his role, they worshipped him and the Nazi Left Propagandists did nada. They attack us for criticizing them! They try to destroy every one who challenges them.
Remember, these are the same Leftists that LOVED Trump’s donations to their own campaigns. To prove it, they smiled with him when accepting his checks.
Trump held on to those documents to prove Clinton and the FBI conspired against him.
OK, but he would only need to make copies of them to press his case. Why withhold the originals?
Wouldn’t you?
If so, then his lawyer, Christina Bobb, lied to the FBI when she certified that Trump didn’t keep copies of the subpoenaed docs.
If you think it’s difficult to get the FBI to lie, cheat, steal and conspire, look at Jedger.
You are twisting words. That is no better than lying.
Sorry, but there is no one fomenting violence in this country at this point but our Left. I’m an independent, and I am never voting dem again. I am an independent. I repeat it, because that does not seem to register in a dem indoctrinated brain. nobody wants this but you privileged (likely white) idiots in the safe space of lots of money. I would personally really love it if generational democrats would realize they are no longer voting for candidates, they are voting for ‘The Party’, and THIS is what the modern democratic party is, period. YOU ARE NOT VOTING FOR JFK. You are voting for Stalin or Mao, who a couple of modern dem candidates have proudly worn emblems of on their clothing. Either you are asleep or you are stupid. Neither is a good look.
Straight red ticket in November for me, and that is only the second time I’ve done that in my adult voting life. I used to vote for dems because they were candidates, not foot soldiers. Enough.
I honestly believe that in pointing out the egregiousness, liberals like the Professor think they might change some minds on their side; I respect that, but at this point that is laughable. Beyond hysterical. Therein lies the problem with cults, and it is written all over history. the fact is: rich democrats think they know better than you. They are fully prepared to to throw people like Professor Turley under the bus as charlatans, dinosaurs, irrelevant, blah, blah, blah. we are up against generations that quite literally do not know what it means to take care of themselves; it’s something a great many people on all sides take for granted, and it will destroy us. This, ironically, has nothing to do with politics. We have failed as a society over the past 25 years. if we hadn’t, posts like this would not be written in the first place, though I am grateful that they are.
Young people long for the stability they perceive to be part and parcel for the 80s in America, the generations before them (never mind that at school we were taught to duck and cover because someone might drop the bomb on us. Yes, we really did (forget your silly ‘shooter drills’);
They fail to not that us alive in those times refer to them as the ‘Reagan years’, not the ‘Pet Shop Boys’ catchy radio years, we had Republicans in the WH for 12 years, and I am just done with the bull****. There is exactly ONE party that has been taken over by Marxists. Not Republicans. Not Greens. Not Independents. Even Ralph Nader would be going, ‘WTF?’. Modern, American democrats are a globalist regime, period.
Enough. Straight. Red. Ticket. if you can’t bother yourself to do the same because McConnell is a privileged idiot, then enjoy the fruits, ’cause you’re gonna.
If you believe “there is no one fomenting violence in this country at this point but our Left,” you are not paying attention.
There is some violence from the left, AND there is some violence from the right.
If you need examples on the right, consider the recent attack on the FBI by a Trump supporter, the Buffalo mass shooting, and the bomb threats targeting HBCUs and hospitals serving trans youth.
See also this recent research:
https://spaces-cdn.owlstown.com/blobs/rmod4nbwi01q2b9jiqo2m8ojt700
The Buffalo shooter said specifically that he is anti-Right, anti-Conservative, and even anti-Fox News. There is very little coming from the right. Perhaps not 100% is coming from the left, but there is no real comparison to be made here without false information.
The problem is threats of violence, which are disturbing and an infringement on basic rights.
Nobody is quantifying the anonymous threats of violence being delivered per day in the US. Therefore, nobody is breaking this down by left- vs. right-inspired threats.
However, from demographic surveys, we know that the radical fringes on the left and right (defined as I will break the law to advance “my side” and its message/interests) are about the same size (about 2% total population for each fringe). No coincidence, these number parallel the frequencies of sociopathic personality disorders split equally among two political factions.
Therefore, it’s an educated guess that militants on both fringes are engaging in anonymous threats of violence, and there are plenty of anecdotes for both. This problem requires centrists to come together and come down hard on the outlaw elements on both sides.
“Nobody is quantifying the anonymous threats of violence being delivered per day in the US. Therefore, nobody is breaking this down by left- vs. right-inspired threats.”
The FBI does a break-down of all of the violent threats that are reported to the FBI.
The FBI has been lying and is very political. Muslim terrorism has been blamed on personality disorders.
The data don’t agree with you: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/testimonies/witnesses/attachments/2022/08/11/2021.09.29_testimony_brad_wiegmann_timothy_langan_re_white_supremacy.pdf
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-116hhrg36563/html/CHRG-116hhrg36563.htm
Data can easily be rearranged to prove almost anything. You seem to pick out data that is contrived and skip the raw data that can demonstrate the lies.
No, the Buffalo shooter did NOT self-identify as “anti-Right, anti-Conservative” and he parroted the Fox opinion hosts’ garbage about the Great Replacement Theory.
https://icct.nl/publication/the-buffalo-attack-an-analysis-of-the-manifesto/
Apologies for the typos. Done hastily. I am just well and truly done, though, and I feel the need to express it where a great many people can see, so thank you Prof. and team. Guess I had more to say, anyway, and again, the Professor is probably doing us the greatest justice imaginable in letting us talk than he can imagine, even though the talk can be polarized. I am eternally grateful. And I say that as someone that frequently questions our host in my comments. Thank you.
There is quite literally nothing redeeming about our modern dems. Courts, laws, Constitution, blah, blah, blah. Zip, zilch, nada – ZERO. They are a globalist, wealth-based, (largely white) elitist tool, the aristocracy of the French Revolution but on steroids thanks to modern technology that everyone has in their pocket, and that’s pretty much it. The Republicans that former (perhaps rightly, at times) generations railed against don’t hold a candle to modern American dems. We have never had Maoist China on the ballot in this country, ever, in history. Not ever. This year we do. Find and watch a very, very brave Chinese movie called, ‘To Live’, made decades ago, if you would like to see how far the West has fallen in its subservience to dollars and the new elitism of the 21st century. Again, for the slow, that film was made by Chinese people in the nation of China in the face of being erased by the Chinese government. Millennials are useless.
You can take your ‘post truth GOP’ or MAGA or whatever you choose to label it as, and stick it precisely where the sun don’t shine. For this Independent: straight. Red. Ticket. for only the second time in my life (the first was our last election, because our dems are bat**** insane. I used to vote for dems). And I guarantee you, every blue candidate will contest their loss ad nauseam until you want to punch them in the face. It is going to be very, very ugly for a few years. the change might even need to be generational thanks to the great job parents did with the millennials fomenting so very much of this. If only real life responded to the roll of a D12 or a Tik Tok fantasy with prosthetic elf ears.
What in the natural he** are people that ill-equipped for the world like that going to do when their parents are gone, and no longer a pivot point for them? Family homes still have to be up-kept and paid for. We are now talking about people in their *40s*. This cannot end well, with or without a bullet-flying conflict.
Indeed, your description of those 40+, is perfection. I know because I spawned two. About the typos? No sweat, we got it. Also? Prosthetic elf ears! Still snorting.
Biden and his media propagandists repeat their lie that “political violence” is coming from MAGA Republicans. It is a lie. They know it. The media know it. The political violence comes from them! J6 was a fed operation. Pelosi knows this. Now Biden, et al, are exploiting their lies about political violence, as justification for Biden’s Gestapo harrassing anyone in Trump’s orbit going into the midterm elections. Trump supporters are being targeted because Biden’s regime has labeled them “violent extremists.” This is authoritarianism.
Who are the people making bomb threats against HBCUs — you think those come from the left?
Who are the people making bomb threats against hospitals that work with trans youth — you think those come from the left?
Why is it so hard for you to admit that there are domestic extremists on both the right AND the left?
It is hard to admit because the left “fakes” these things so often that we don’t believe anything they say about anything. Coupled with the fact that the right is NOT a violent group. Not that in our minds we wouldn’t like to be able to ‘slap someone silly’ sometimes etc but that’s not who we are in reality. We don’t do those things. Yet, the feds and the left accuse us of horrible things we don’t do or even consider doing. When that doesn’t provoke us to do them, they use fbi to instigate things and involve some poor misguided person who may be right inclined and make it look like this uneducated person is now some mastermind genuis of an elaborate evil plot on the govt. So we don’t believe the accusations of the right being violent because NO ONE we know is like that.
Exactly. Seems so simple to conservatives, it’s baffling others don’t understand. How anyone believed a con involving golden showers, Moscow prostitutes, Obama’s bed, and a successful businessman who NEVER drinks and NEVER drugs is ridiculous. Not even a modicum of behaviorable motivation is employed…
Part of why the left never ‘gets it’, is because it never reported accurately if at, by media.
Anonymous, It’s hard for them because the level of cognitive dissonance is off the charts. Seriously. I’m amazed at the ironies and hypocrisy embedded within the criticism of the “left”. Haven’t you noticed that you rarely hear the word “liberals” this “liberals” that? Now it’s the “left”, “leftists”, “Marxists”, “socialists”, “communists”, etc. Whatever label fits the narrative of the week.
These folks are a sensitive bunch. The reactions they had when the search warrant was executed and Biden’s speech show how easily they can be incited into a rage. This explains why Trump didn’t have to say much to incite the mob of supporters on Jan. 6 . They are always a hair trigger away from raging anger and aggression if anything bad were to happen to Trump or Biden going being honest about what he thinks about them. They lost their minds just for being called “semi-fascists”not even full fascists, just almost fascist or somewhat fascist.
We lost our minds by “using our words”
“Who are the people making bomb threats against HBCUs”
Many different types. If we checked over the threats carefully we might even find that some of them or many of them are made by Antifa, BLM or the left. We have seen this type of false flag operation quite frequently where the left is concerned.
When we look at violence in all situations, most political violence comes from the left.
“This is why I have been critical of both President Biden and former President Trump in their use of “rage rhetoric” for political gain. President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind.”
With all due respect, that’s your problem right there. Even if you are a “Liberal”, especially a sensible one, you should be able to see that it’s only one side that’s not only engaged in “reckless and inflammatory rhetoric”, but also carrying out real intimidation and third world political violence. It was not Trump who engaged in “rage rhetoric” of any kind, nor was it his supporters who were burning down cities across America, destroying businesses and livelihoods; it was not Trump supporters who were violently, physically attacking hundreds if not thousands of innocent Americans for their only “crime” of supporting a political candidate or a President and everything that MAGA stood for; it was not the millions of hard-working and law-abiding Americans who supported (and still do) the “reckless and inflammatory” Trump, who were race-baiting the country every day, pushing it to the edge of a race war by fabricating “hate crime” hoaxes; it was not the Trump supporters who were fighting *against* Voter ID which is a basic necessity in all democracies across the world and if you wish to continue to remain a democracy or a republic, by calling it “racist”, and I could go on..
You’re right about not using “rage rhetoric for political gain” but not about *who* is actually using it and *why*. Biden definitely uses it for political gain -to score “points” with his lunatic unhinged far-Left Party; to distract public attention from his #CCP inspired “Presidency” and the Pandora’s box that’s his son’s laptop and his daughter’s “Daddy dearest” diary, by calling Trump and his supporters “ultra-MAGA”, “white supremacists”, “semi-fascists”, domestic terrorists’ and “enemies of the state”. He doesn’t stop there. He uses all the government agencies as his personal Gestapo to go after Trump and his supporters, with no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Trump on the other hand, (if one is honest enough or cares to notice) *always* “responds in kind” to his *attacker* mostly politicians and the fakeNewsMedia. He *never* attacks the Democrat voters, America or the Constitution.
The fact is, there are unstable people among politicians and members of the news media.
And they cause all the other unstable ones outside elected Ds and fake “news” circles. The latter 2 groups know exactly what they are doing – fomenting hate and discontent so as to advantage the lefty progressive Democrat (NOT DemocraTIC) Party.
Many are either woefully ignorant of history, or ARE the communists/Globalists of this era. America has been under attack for at the 65 years that are known to me. Our own home grown leftists, have been born and raised in the shadow of none stop, 24/7 propaganda, taught at first to doubt our country’s unique greatness, graduating to pure hatred, thanks to learned professors. And while most immigrants have come for the right reasons, often more patriotic than our own citizens, there are a huge number of immigrants that have been infiltrated into this country for the sole purpose of destroying everything Americans once held most dear.
If you believe “it’s only one side that’s not only engaged in “reckless and inflammatory rhetoric”, but also carrying out real intimidation and third world political violence,” you’re ignoring reality. The inflammatory rhetoric and actual violence exists on both sides.
Any alleged violence from the right is minuscule compared to what the left does using BLM and Antifa. Wise up.
You’re mistaken.
Wise up yourself.
“Anonymous” says, “you’re mistaken” and that is his version of “proof”. 2020 had left wing riots that led to BILLIONS of dollars damage and many killed, now name one person killed in a right wing riot. If you said Ashley babitt then give yourself an irony award.
ANTIFA and BLM rioted for a hundred nights in a row, burned down whole sections of cities, destroyed the lives of small business owners and yet the DOJ talks endlessly about threats from the right?
A Bernie supporter shot at Republican members of congress nearly killing Steve Scalise, now point out the last time a Democrat was shot at.
A liberal almost killed Rand Paul in his own house and Paul and his wife were attacked leaving the SOTU speech by leftist pigs. Now name once time that happened to a Democrat.
Maxine Waters said to harass conservatives in stores, restaurants and gas stations. Now name one time that happened to a Dem.
Trump’s Press Secretary was chased out of a restaurant. Has that ever happened to KJP or Psaki?
Pelosi ripped up Trump’s speech from the podium…classy.
Biden gave his Red Speech attacking half the country…nice.
But Anonymous will Trump and Jan 6th himself into a frenzy.
PS. I think Svelaz may be a member of ANTIFA. Just reading his many comments closely causes one to possibly deduce that he is a member of ANTIFA. I cannot say I know this because the ANTIFA goons hide behind masks and have no names, so it is only a supposition. But if he is, that means he is safe due to the fact that the DOJ will never look at ANTIFA because according to Dems ANTIFA is just a thought, nothing real.
Hullbobby,
“ PS. I think Svelaz may be a member of ANTIFA. Just reading his many comments closely causes one to possibly deduce that he is a member of ANTIFA.”
Lol!! I’m flattered, but no I’m not a member of ANTIFA. You do know that ANTIFA is an abbreviation of Anti-Fascist right?
You seem to be against ANTIFA. Does that mean you support fascism? If you are against fascism ironically you would be in support of anti-fascism. You would be an ANTIFA supporter.
If you are against fascism ironically you would be in support of anti-fascism. You would be an ANTIFA supporter.
I support the democratic process and I’m against the Democratic party. 🤔 That’s not ironic; that’s critical thinking.
The original commenter didn’t give any “proof,” so I responded in kind.
But since you ask for proof, here are several right-wing mass murders in the last few years:
* the El Paso Walmart shooting
* the Pittsburgh Tree of Life Synagogue shooting
* the Buffalo Tops shooting
* the Charleston Emanuel A.M.E. Church shooting
Can you bring yourself to admit them?
When Garland, the leftist choice for the Supreme Court calls the mothers of children domestic terrorists you know how deep a hole the left is willing to dig.
When deep indoctrination of children and lying are the only ways to change the mindset of a free people, one knows the left is fascist and a danger to freedom.
“the use of “rage politics” is so dangerous”
It is, especially with unstable people.
However, Turley feeds “the age of rage” both with the content of many of his columns and with his refusing to call out the comments here that feed “the age of rage.” If he is truly concerned about it, he could choose not to feed it in his columns and he could do something about the rage-feeding trolling on his site.
“The attacks on the judiciary from the left are particularly concerning” is an example of how Turley chooses to feed the rage on the right. He is silent about attacks from the right, such as the recent bomb threat at Boston Children’s Hospital, which has been targeted by right-wingers for its work with trans youths: https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/08/31/boston-childrens-hospital-bomb-threat-how-right-wing-media-escalate-harassment-of-lgbtq-friendly-places/?sh=d66334544d77 and bomb threats from the right-wing against HBCUs: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2022/09/12/fbi-and-doj-hold-briefing-hbcu-bomb-threats
Why not write a column expressing concern about the full range of violent threats and the full range of people who make them?
“. . . a column expressing concern about the full range of violent threats . . .”
Start with the BLM/Antifa Brownshirts, and their Leftist enablers and apologists.
What part of FULL range on the right AND the left do you not understand?
What part of all the hoaxes and attacks purported to be coming from right wing extremists that turn out to be outright false, or done by left wing operators presenting to be ‘right wing’?
There is one difference, a true Trump supporter would never listen to the words of President Trump, where as, wasn’t Steve Scalise shot by a Bernie man? Trump supporters are not the vast right conspiracy. When President Trump speaks, we hear it, and then let out all the frustration through satire, when the left, destroys lives
A Trump supporter attacked an FBI office. Please don’t pretend that it doesn’t occur on the right as well as the left.
We don’t “know” it was a Trump supporter. We were told this by the fake news. We do not and should not trust the feds. Abolish the FBI. It is likely the feds are behind many, if not all, of these so-called “right wing extremist” attacks — including January 6.
Anonymous says,
“ We don’t “know” it was a Trump supporter. ”
Yes we know. Because the attacker left multiple Facebook posts ranting about the mar a lago raid. Trump supporters were the ones losing their minds because of the “raid”. It WAS a trump supporter.
The Biden regime “raid” was intended to rile up Trump supporters. then the feds can put their false flag ops into play and say “look here, proof of right wing extremist violence!”
Yes, we WERE “told” that…
“Yes we know. Because…”
And Building 7 collapse can be explained how?
Because the attacker left multiple Facebook posts ranting about the mar a lago raid. Trump supporters were the ones losing their minds because of the “raid”. It WAS a trump supporter.
Pointing out the 4th amendment abuse using a general warrant, angers people that value the Constitution and Rule of Law. We know that if the corrupt DoJ feels elevated enough to abuse a Past President, signals the govt’s willingness to abandon all laws in pursuit of a political agenda. Trump just happens to be the example of abuse. They are not Trump supporters, they are supporters of the Constitution.
Just like Derschowitz and Turley get smeared as Trump supporters when they demand the Govt follow the clear language of the constitution, and Trump is the beneficiary of their analysis. People easily get confused with people who ignore personalities while doing their analysis.
Sprain Anita and BLM activities and compare to the ONE alleged conservative attacking the FBI … LAUGHINGLY … GROW UP and try to understand the difference between the sensible right and the insane left. The examples are everywhere.
Not to mention ardent trump supporters like the Proud Boys, The 3 percenters, etc. Trump has acknowledged multiple times that they are “his” people. These right-wing groups exists to provoke violence at protests and create chaos in order to blame blame the left for the ensuing violence. This is why ANTIFA is always present to counter these folks and that combination is almost always guaranteed to spark violence,
One example was a month ago there was a fundraising event involving drag queens which had “security” provided by black clad ANTIFA members armed with AR-15’s. The Proud boys were intent on provoking ANTIFA to react by taunting them from the opposing sidewalk and calling the police. Ironically they were breaking no laws or causing trouble. They were just standing guard ARMED with AR’s and surprisingly the Proud boys agitators kept their provocations tamped down because these ANTIFA “security” members…were armed.
There ARE examples of violence and extremism on BOTH sides. I don’t condone the violence from the left, It’s just wrong. But that doesn’t excuse the fact that those on the right like to pretend that they are less prone to such violence because they are more “moral” than the left. It’s a cop-out and it deserves to be criticized as well. Not just that of the left.
Nope.
Tell me about who gave these ANIFA members the right to be armed with the ‘dreaded’ ARs?
“ Tell me about who gave these ANIFA members the right to be armed with the ‘dreaded’ ARs?”
The 2nd amendment.
Did you see the news that the sh*tshow called, The View, had to pay a $22 Million defamation settlement to Kyle Rittenhouse and his mother? Yeah.
The Trump supporter will be jailed whether or not he did something. Antifa for the most part will riot and burn buildings where only the craziest of them are arrested, charged and jailed. Most will be set free with bail provided by Kamala and associates so they can continue as before.
Rage and leftist Marxist Revolutionaries are indistinguishable
Turley is a decent and relible source of truth but one must understand that, as a Democrat, he must maintain some semblence of unity with his party or be tossed out of it as too conservative. Moreover, as a law professor, he must consider the scores at the end of the semester given by his students, likely liberals at this stage of their lives, or be lambasted by their rating system and lose his annual bonus. All this said, he is incorrect in drawing a moral equivalency between what Biden said in his rage speech and what Trump says at his rallies. To Make America Great Again is to offer something that is positive and uplifting. To condemn all MAGA Republicans as fascists is both ludicrous on its face and downright wrong. Like the woman making the threat against Judge Cannon, Biden’s mental condition must be taken into account when judging his errors. Trump is nowhere near being in the same category as Biden and Tiffani Gish, aka Evelyn Salt, the would-be assassin of both Trump and Cannon. When Trump goes after someone, it’s typically an individual and for clearly stated reasons. Biden, on the other hand, insulted and demeaned half the population he swore to serve. There’s a difference, Jon, a big difference. It’s time you recognized it.
The Professor would not be hurt by being thrown out of the Democrat Party…..as it would its loss and his gain.
“Stand the F**k Down or Get Shot”
And the right is the threat. This is the left and all their tolerance on full display folks.
“”President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind.”
JT, please point to the quote where President Trump villianized half the country.
Turley doesn’t read comments. If you want to encourage him to do something, you’ll need to email him.
As for Trump’s demonization of many Democrats, you can start here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-complete-insult-list.html
That’s only his tweets and doesn’t include what he’s said in his speeches.
Can’t read your lonk to a pat to see site. And, I’m not giving the NYT any of my money. But, from the titles I could see, it didn’t look as any of the cases presented showed President Trump villainizing half the countries citizens.
You can search the Trump Twitter Archive yourself for free: https://www.thetrumparchive.com
For example, search on “radical,” one of his favorite adjectives for run-of-the-mill Democrats.
You printed this BS before.
One of the early complaints was that Trump played golf. He did so while making peace in the world with leaders playing golf with him.
You are too ignorant.
Ditto
Would also like to know this was cover by the MSM, IF it was covered at all. And that is how the majority of leftists continue to get deeper into the swamp of ignorance, at best. The leftist Democratic leadership knows exactly what they are doing.
I guess we will have to blame cable tv and the internet.
Ok, while this may seem confusing… think about it.
With 500 channels of cable and blah content, you have seen how there’s a specialization in the news.
Sure its pretty liberal to begin with… but when conservatives walked away… there was nothing to keep the liberal bias in check.
Channels like MSNBC are nothing more than echo chambers, all trying to out do their competitors.
CNN is trying to swing back towards moderation. However this will mean a purge of their on air talent.
When you look at FB, Twitter, etc … they further filter and create more of an echo chamber.
Fake news.
There’s been some work in trying to use ML to identify Fake News.
All attempts that I’ve seen have failed miserably. The reason is that you can’t judge the quality of the news based on the news site.
In general you can to a degree, but the truly fake news that we’ve seen comes from what some would consider reputable news sites.
So yeah, I blame the MSM, cable, and the internet for creating echo chambers which allow the fringe insanity grow. Clearly on both sides of the aisle.
-G
Ian: “CNN is trying to swing back towards moderation. However this will mean a purge of their on air talent.”
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CNN has on-air talent?
More talent and fewer people than before they started canning the wacko’s….just by their absence alone that makes for a higher percentage of talent….I suppose they are batting about maybe 3% currently….which is a quantum leap by comparison.
CNN just sent their most erudite talent to Harvard to “teach” fake news to a new crew of future lawyers… His classroom is next door to deBlase-o’s
Ian Michael Gumby,
That’s quite a tangent but your generalized focus on propaganda (my word not yours) from the main stream media complex is spot on. Propaganda is destroying trust in the fourth estate and wreaking havoc on society.
Propaganda was made legal in the United States by law under President Obama. If you doubt me, look it up.
Wendy wrote, “Propaganda was made legal in the United States by law under President Obama. If you doubt me, look it up.”
I did look it up as you suggested and it appears that your claim is a politically motivated extrapolation and not the real truth, the claim itself is propaganda.
The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act, contained within the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013, eased some restrictions so that media produced by the U.S. Agency for Global Media and INTENDED FOR FOREIGN AUDIENCES could be distributed domestically upon request, according to its text. Prior to its passage, the content was BANNED from being disseminated in America.(why was it banned? because it was propaganda)
The act did not make it legal for the independent, privately-owned media organizations, where most Americans get their news, to “purposely lie,” as the post inaccurately suggests.(NOT IN PLAIN LANGUAGE Do politicians EVER use plain language?)
Many have criticized the U.S. Agency for Global Media and its content. The agency has denied its work is “propaganda,” saying in a statement on its website, “Our journalists must abide by legally mandated broadcasting standards and principles to present accurate and objective news and information.” (YES, we have observed the ‘high’ standards of journalists and their principles in last couple of years and how objective they are. And again Global Media broadcast to foreign countries. It is perfectly legal to use propaganda there. So, if we can now get news from Global Media, nothings prevents propaganda in there)
Wendy,
Have you actually read the laws you are referencing or are you simply parroting opinions you’ve found that supports your narrative?
I just read the entire Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 and it reads like it’s a law that’s roughly equivalent to the freedom of information act, whereas prior to this law the public had no real access to the information through regular channels here in the United States.
The claim that “propaganda was made legal in the United States” by the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 is an extrapolation to absurdity and the claim is pure propaganda itself. What’s more accurate is that the information intended for foreign nations (propaganda if that’s what you choose to call it) was no longer hidden behind an impenetrable government bureaucracy wall whereas now legal access is given to we the people if we ask for it thus more transparency is observed. Is here a chance that some of the “propaganda” intended for foreign nations will get intermixed within the massive propaganda that our main stream media complex produces on a daily basis, yes but government transparency is very important in a representative democracy and the positive aspects of real transparency outweighs the risks of propaganda infection.
@Steve,
Thanks, but its not really a tangent.
It gets to the heart of the issue. The brainwashing of the American people.
I need to be clear. This is also happening on the Right too. There are news sites that are just as biased, albeit from a different perspective.
That nutter didn’t come up with this all on her own.
It would be interesting to look at her social media activity and her reading list.
-G
IMG, I think that you are on the right track here. The current state of the media in this country is frightening. The echo chamber effect is real – that’s because so many news anchors are reading from a script. This phenomenon may have begun with the CIA’s launch of Operation Mockingbird during the Cold War. Thus, there is very little original thought coming from the mainstream media.
I don’t think people really understand how “fake news” works. Although the classic leftist technique is the Big Lie, the real deception is in things like in a NYT article yesterday about Trump’s lawyers’ response to the DoJ request that the FL judge reverse or stay her ruling about a Special Master and not allowing the FBI and DoJ to review the seized material until the Special Master was finished.
In one sentence in the NYT article the propagandist uses the words “so-called Special Master,” as if “Special Master” was some term just made up by the judge in this case that never was used before in legal cases. And in another place the NYT propagandists wrote about the Trump lawyers “insinuating that the government has already leaked” some of the documents. It seems pretty obvious that the government leaked them given that there are only two possibilities (I guess you could weave a theory that the Trump’s lawyers did it) but — beyond that — according to the judge’s earlier ruling, the DoJ basically admitted that someone in the chain of government custody leaked the documents (see Footnote 11).
It is these insidious little adjectives and adverbs over and over in every article day after day month after month decade after decade now that are the problem, not the Big Lie
The Trump response to the DOJ is interesting in several ways.
It stresses the centrality of the Presidential Records Act, which sets out a special regime for the handling of Presidential records. Broadly speaking, these are any records prepared or received by the President or his office relating to the conduct of his duties. It says that Presidential records are not Federal Government records. It makes no distinction between classified or unclassified Presidential records. It delegates to the President the authority to determine whether any particular document is personal and hence not a Presidential record. While NARA is “responsible” for the custody of the records, it requires the President to have access after he leaves office and limits access by others. It is a civil not a criminal statute, and violations are not crimes.
It also notes the President’s authority to declassify and that DOJ has not established that any of the documents are still classified.
It refutes DOJ’s contention that a national security assessment cannot be separated from the conduct of a criminal investigation.
It appears that Trump has good lawyers on this — Kise and Trusty.
I don’t think that Trump’s response is strong. By focusing on the PRA, he’s set up the DOJ to move the case to the DC Circuit. He admitted that he failed to produce documents that were subpoenaed. He admitted that Executive Order 13526 has been in effect throughout his presidency through today, which means that he needed a waiver from Biden to have classified documents once Trump left office. He seems not to understand that he cannot simultaneously claim that record X is subject to executive privilege and is also a personal record rather than a Presidential record. He’s trying to get the Archivist excluded, but Rep. Carolyn Maloney sent Acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall a letter — https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2022-09-13.CBM%20to%20Steidel%20Wall-NARA%20re%20MAL%20Certification%20FINAL.pdf — that will let her intervene in the case.
You’re mistaken about “It says that Presidential records are not Federal Government records.” Rather, he separates the government records into those governed by the Presidential Records Act versus the Federal Records Act. Both sets are federal government records, and it’s a problem that he ignores the records governed by the FRA.
Trump doesn’t have to prove his case. He can do nothing. The government is the one who has to provide the proof, so at this stage Trump is served best by adding very little and doing so only when necessary.
The government is guilty of overstepping their bounds and probably a lot more.
“By focusing on the PRA, he’s set up the DOJ to move the case to the DC Circuit.”
How so ? Everything alleged took place in FL.
DOJ/FBI have not to my knowledge even asserted that the documents they are after were moved from DC illegally.
“He admitted that he failed to produce documents that were subpoenaed.”
Actual quote or source ? Details actually matter.
You note a jurisdictional matter – why does a grand jury in DC have subpeona power in a completely different judicial circuit ?
Why is the subpeona valid ? Why didn’t the attorney involved get a subpoena in Florida ? Why didn’t they go to court to get an order enforcing the subpeona ?
“He admitted that Executive Order 13526 has been in effect throughout his presidency through today”
Of course he did. That helps him.
“which means that he needed a waiver from Biden to have classified documents once Trump left office.”
Nope.
“He seems not to understand that he cannot simultaneously claim that record X is subject to executive privilege and is also a personal record rather than a Presidential record.”
Of course he can. Lawyers argue multiple theories or alternatives all the time in pleadings.
“He’s trying to get the Archivist excluded, but Rep. Carolyn Maloney sent Acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall a letter — https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2022-09-13.CBM%20to%20Steidel%20Wall-NARA%20re%20MAL%20Certification%20FINAL.pdf — that will let her intervene in the case.”
How does a letter allow the archivist to intervene in a criminal case. Warrants are about crimes.
The archivist always had the power to file a civil suit against Trump to get these records – where all these issues would have been decided.
To the extent the archivist has any role in this at all – they are a witness, not an intervenor.
“You’re mistaken about “It says that Presidential records are not Federal Government records.” Rather, he separates the government records into those governed by the Presidential Records Act versus the Federal Records Act. Both sets are federal government records, and it’s a problem that he ignores the records governed by the FRA.”
There are lots of issues here.
Federal records are distinct from presidential records.
That is obviously true.
Personal records are inarguably the property of the president or ex-president.
Congress delegated the decision to the executive branch – that constitutionally means the president.
It is far from certain that the courts will find that anyone else within the executive has the authority to countermand a decision as to what is personal and what is presidential made by the president.
Those records that are actually presidential are in the custody of the National Archives.
The law itself is clear that the current administration does not have access to them – not without going to court.
Ultimately NARA provides these records to the Presidential library – not the current administration.
None of this applies to federal records. So whether you like it or not there are 3 clear categories.
Personal Records,
Presidential Records
and Federal Records.
Each with completely different constraints and law that applies.
Further it is already crystal clear that the Biden administration was actively trying to circumvent all of this to gain the current administration access to the prior administrations presidential records – without going to court to do so.
At each step in this process where the WH, NARA or DOJ had a choice – they made he choice that did not involve going to a judge to gain access. You should not be surprised if the judiciary is getting pissed at the administration for trying to get arround them. Even if Trump is wrong about almost every single thing, these are all matters that are resolved by COURTS, not unilaterally by the executive behaving fascist.
One which you keep ignoring is that even if these records are determined to be presidential records – something that is far from established. They are still not the records of the current administration.
There are numerous court cases where the courts have approved of many reasons that the current administration can go to court and get access to the records of prior presidents. But there is no court case at all that says that the current administration can just go over to the national archives and take records of the prior administration.
There is also to my knowledge no case that has found the national archive can take records from a former president.
Every case that we have so far that has been decided in favor of the current administration has had several elements:
The records were already with the National Archives. The current administration went to court to get those records from the archives, and offered a compelling reason that they had a current need for them.
In those cases the courts did not decide that the ex-president could not claim executive priviledge,
they decided that ex-ececutive priviledge was not sufficient to overcome the current administrations need.
We have lots and lots of cases in which current presidents defended the claims of executive priviledge of former presidents – including Trump defending Obama’s executive priviledge against Trump’s own interests.
We do not have any in which the current president waived the prior presidents executive priviledge.
There is no caselaw or statutory law establishing whether that is possible.
The only court case where the records were not already with the archives – was decided in favor of the ex-president.
You are absolutely correct. It’s subliminal to the masses.
RE:”CNN is trying to swing back towards moderation. However this will mean a purge of their on air talent.” Along way to go! They reported the BYU racial slur incident as ‘fact’ as opposed to ‘alleged’ in their broadcasting across the day and nary a retraction when proved a hoax. THIS is CNN!!
Wow, Turley must really be struggling to avoid discussion and actual legal analysis of Trump’s problems with the DOJ.
I noticed he didn’t discuss Senator Lindsey Graham’s own inciting rhetoric on the FBI and the DOJ.
Trump should be credited for making these kinds of “rage politics”’a staple of his presidency thru his very popular rallies where he constantly spouted inflammatory rhetoric and rage inducing clams.
I didn’t see Turley criticizing those speeches and rallies. If he’s going to claim criticism of both sides he should provide equal examples from both sides. Not just a passing mention of Trump’s own customary rage politics. Perhaps he could have mentioned the MAGA nutty who got killed trying to attack an FBI field office in Cincinnati. Or maybe the pizza parlor shooting based on the rhetoric Trump spewed about Hillary Clinton’s “pedophile ring”.
Svelaz’s comment is a pure whataboutism trolling deflection.
To one extent you are right; Turley has religiously and for years criticized Trump for the rhetoric and many other things. Here’s the issue, the country needs to get out of this cycle completely. And the break with Trump has to come from conservatives because it is clear the left is not going to stop mentioning Trump because the left makes too much money on him.
It’s time deSantis (after November) or someone like that says “Thanks President Trump. You did a great job on the economy, on energy, on Israel, on the courts, on building up defense (only to see so much of it wasted on the Russian Civil War), on Warp Speed, and on simply keeping Bill from getting into the White House again. Now it’s time for the next generation to take the torch. We got this.”
I am under no delusion that Trump will take this gracefully. But he has to go just the way Adlai and Rockefeller and Teddy and Jerry Brown and Howard Dean and Rick Santorum had their day and were done. Any concern that a lot of people will follow Trump into a Civil War is nonsense… The conservatives have a much stronger bench than the Dems because of the octogenarians running the left… time for the GOP to field them.
As part of this break, conservatives have to admit it: You used Trump as means to an end as much as he used you
No one wants to nor needs to abandon Donald Trump. He is single handedly responsible for exposing the amount of corruption within our govt. He served this country at HUGE expense to his ego, his life, his reputation, his fortune, and to enormous pressure and effects on his family. Why would we abandon him when he willingly did that for us.
We don’t care if the left cannot get over this obession with him. ALL the more reason we want him back. They tried to CHEAT him out of everything he was due. The respect, the dignity, the honor, the enjoyment of his Presidency. Their hate knows no bounds. Why should we have to give up what we want because they harbor unadulterated hate in their hearts?
What we desire/desired was never evil. We wanted our country to prosper (be great). We wanted it to have honest politicans. THAT is what offended them the most. They are elected with no wealth and become millionaires overnight. We didn’t care if we had to get rid of Rep as well as Dems. Our desire was to have an honest government. To have a govt that was strong enough to deal with foreign countries who would respect that power enough to not enter into thoughts of war.
To have a country that people came to legally, in an organized way that would benefit them and the USA. Not flood our country with MS13 gangs, cartels, human traffickers, or overwhelm us with weak, dependents that would overburden our systems where we could not take care of our own. That would mean we would be of no use to anyone.
So no there is no reason for Trump to bow out. His bowing out “for the good of the country” means so someone “more acceptable” (accommodating) can be in place only means we let the corrupt run out the man who showed us the corruption. That would mean they win and would be emboldened to keep it up.
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Yes to everything you stated. The lefties in power intend to destroy America, the constitution, patriotism, nationalism, the flag, individual liberty, and the republic itself. The WEF Davos crowd has planned for decades how they will usher in the liberal world order, the Great Reset, their goal of one world government, including ‘surveillance under the skin,’ AI and the fourth industrial revolution.
Trump, America, and our Constitution stand in their way.
All good thoughts Wendy, many of which I — an independent (probably a Libertarian) — agree with. But sorry, your man Moses cannot enter the Promised Land. He riled up to many people over that fatted calf thing and a few other issues. Give the staff to Joshua (I think it was Joshua… maybe Aaron… I’m a little rusty on my Bible History)
Changing analogies on you, do you want the results that have been promised (and that are relatively close) or do you want Bull Run?
Witherspoon, actually it’s Turley who is engaging in the whataboutisms and deflections. Everyone else, real lawyers and legal analysts are analyzing the legal issues facing Trump. Turley seems fo be focusing on feeding the rage he constantly criticizes. The hypocrisy is obvious. Just pointing it out.
Everyone else, real lawyers and legal analysts are analyzing the legal issues facing Trump.
While there is certainly partisan lawyers and legal analysts analyzing legal issues on team left and team right, JT is calling balls and strikes on the entire lot of them. Team left is hitting below the Mendoza line. Your team hates the rules and hates the fans that love the rules. So your heckling of the umpire for calling out the thuggery of team left is whiny and predictable.
How about the election workers who are getting threatened, and the school boards, and city councils. Turley never brings that up.
Yeah and the Duke volleyball girl and Juicy and …. Hoaxes all!
“Yeah and the Duke volleyball girl . . .”
Imagine that. Yet another race hoax at Duke. When professors teach students to indulge their delusions — they will, well, indulge their delusions.
And will the liar be punished for her lies, for harming the reputation of BYU? Of course not. The Aggrieved Ones are never punished. But they are rewarded for being good little “social warriors.”
That’s terrible. I hadn’t heard that election workers, school boards and city councils have been threatened with assassination. Please provide some examples and I’m certain we would all denounce them and call for them to be locked up.
Angry parents shouting at school board meetings is not violence you brainwashed idiot.
Wow. It’s your daily anti-Turley post. How original. Who could’ve seen it coming?
The use of “rage politics” is so dangerous on both sides….except it’s not both sides. Rage politics comes solely from the left. The right doesn’t know how to fight fire with fire.
There is a distinction. This past week-end, Democratic politicians attempted to equate Republicans (“domestic extremists”) with the 9/11 attackers. By contrast, no official in the Republican Party (we are not talking about internet commentators) has attempted to associate Democrats with foreign terrorists. In 1964, Democrats labeled Sen. Barry Goldwater, a thoroughly honest and decent man, an “extremist”. Now they have decided in unison to apply the label to Republicans and to implicitly define the term to mean those who want to destroy this country. How did that happen?
This took about 3 minutes. Meet FL GOP Congressional Candidate Cory Mills. Here’s his campaign ad.
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1549422573250920448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1549422573250920448%7Ctwgr%5Ec55be4bd3683bc63aab2c213f1d66695c52e4f11%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpolitics-news%2Fgop-candidate-taliban-alqaeda-democrats-1385218%2F
Looks like Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan, Jim Banks, Ralph Norman, CPAC and others have endorsed him.
He won the FL CD 7 GOP Primary less than a month ago.
Dude, Democrats have been doing it since at least Truman. The front page of the October 26, 1948 New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/1948/10/26/archives/president-likens-dewey-to-hitler-as-fascists-tool-says-when-bigots.html
Could you name the Democratic politicians you say are equating average Republicans with “domestic extremists” or with the 9/11 terrorists? Let’s look at what they actually said.
Notice how you shift from domestic to foreign in “Democratic politicians attempted to equate Republicans (“domestic extremists”) with the 9/11 attackers. By contrast, no official in the Republican Party (we are not talking about internet commentators) has attempted to associate Democrats with foreign terrorists.” For the record, the 9/11 terrorists — though foreign born — were domestic terrorists: they carried out their terrorism on US soil. It’s the location of the terrorism, not the birth-place of the terrorists, that distinguishes between domestic and foreign terrorism.
There are dangerous domestic terrorist extremists on both the right and the left. I condemn ALL of them. Will you join me in condemning ALL of them?
If you pretend that it only exists on one side, you are contributing to the “age of rage” that Turley is focused on here.
Extremists exist on both sides of the aisle, but by far the left has the most extremists even though the left claims mothers of children are domestic terrorists. How foolish you sound.
Anonymous:
A person would have to be willfully blind to ignore the attempt of Democrats to paint Republicans as the new great terrorist threat. If permitted by the moderator here, I will quote just four of these people: Sec. Alejandro Mayorkis, Hillary Clinton, Sen Mark Warner, and Kamala Harris. These people are not an obscure Congressman, they are the echelon of both the Democratic Party and the federal government (which indeed seem to have melded together). They are all signing from the same hymnal, and they are echoed by Democrats around the country,
MAYORKIS:
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on Sunday said the threats facing the U.S. in the 21 years since the Sept. 11 attacks have shifted from worries about foreign terrorists to growing concerns about domestic extremism. “The threat landscape has evolved considerably over the last 20 years,” Mayorkas said during an appearance on MSNBC’s “The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart.” “Back when 9/11 occurred, in those years we were very focused on the foreign terrorist, the individual who sought to do a severe harm to enter the United States and and do us harm,” Mayorkas continued, speaking at the site of the World Trade Center. But now, Mayorkas said officials are becoming “more and more” concerned about U.S. residents radicalized by foreign terrorist ideologies. “We are seeing an emerging threat, of course, over the last several years of the domestic violent extremist,” Mayorkas said. “The individual here in the United States radicalized to violence by a foreign terrorist ideology, but also an ideology of hate, anti-government sentiment, false narratives propagated on online platforms, even personal grievances.” Mayorkas has previously called domestic extremism the country’s greatest terror-related threat, comments that came less than three months after the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack. Mayorkas is one of many Democrats who have sounded alarm bells about domestic extremist threats.
[https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3638093-dhs-secretary-threat-landscape-has-evolved-considerably-since-9-11/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-full-transcript-09-11-2022/
WARNER:
Well, Margaret, I remember, as most Americans do, where they were on 9/11. I was in the middle of a political campaign. And, suddenly, the differences with my opponent seemed very small in comparison. And our country came together. And, in many ways, we defeated the terrorists because of the resilience of the American public, because of our intelligence community. And we are safer, better prepared. The stunning thing to me is, here we are 20 years later, and the attack on the symbol of our democracy was not coming from terrorists, but it came from literally insurgents attacking the Capitol on January 6. So I believe we are stronger. I believe our intelligence community has performed remarkably. I think the threat of terror has diminished. I think we still have new challenges in terms of nation-state challenges, Russia and, longer term, a technology competition with China. But I do worry about some of the activity in this country, where the election deniers, the insurgency that took place on January 6, that is something I hope we could see that same kind of unity of spirit.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-full-transcript-09-11-2022/]
CLINTON:
Hillary Clinton seized the opportunity presented by Sunday’s 21st anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington to make a thinly veiled attack on the extremism and divisiveness stoked by Donald Trump, as she called for a return to national unity. The former US secretary of state and first lady invoked the bipartisan mood of the country in the wake of the 9/11 attack in which almost 3,000 people were killed. “We were able to come together as a country at that terrible time, we put aside differences. I wish we could find ways of doing that again,” she told CNN in an interview for the State of the Union politics show on Sunday morning. It was recalled how, as a Democratic US senator for New York, in 2001 she flew over the burning wreckage of the World Trade Center at the disaster zone known as Ground Zero, in lower Manhattan, and went on air to pledge her unswerving support for Republican president George W Bush’s efforts to lead the US response. Clinton noted that she met with Bush and asked for $20bn in federal funds to rebuild. “And he said, ‘You got it,’” she told CNN anchor Dana Bash. Clinton’s lament for the passing of such national togetherness then led her to make an impassioned attack on the turn toward extremism in American politics, albeit without mentioning Trump, the former Republican president who may yet run again in 2024, by name. She said that 9/11 reminded Americans “about how impossible it is to try and deal with extremism of any kind, especially when it uses violence to try to achieve political and ideological goals”. In another implicit reference to Trump’s Make America Great Again (Maga) rightwing movement, she went on to say that a “very vocal, very powerful, very determined minority wants to impose their views on the rest of us. It’s time for everybody, regardless of party, to say no, that’s not who we are as America.”
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/11/hillary-clinton-calls-for-unity-september-11-attacks-anniversary]
HARRIS:
Kamala Harris and the second gentleman, her husband Doug Emhoff, joined the observance at the National September 11 Memorial in New York. The vice-president did not speak, as per tradition, allowing the commemoration to be led by the reading of the names of those who died and moments of silence to mark the points when the hijacked planes struck each of the towers. But in an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press, aired on Sunday, Harris spoke of America’s reputation as a world role model for democracy being under threat. She cited challenges from the right wing to election integrity, including the attack on the US Capitol on 6 January 2021 in a bid to overturn Donald Trump’s defeat by Joe Biden, and extremist Republicans’ unwillingness to condemn it, while also fielding many candidates in current elections who still refuse to accept the true result. “I think it is a threat … it is very dangerous and I think it is very harmful. And it makes us weaker,” she said.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/11/hillary-clinton-calls-for-unity-september-11-attacks-anniversary]
It is the Democrats’ midterm strategy:
1) Smear all Republicans as violent extremists, white supremacists, racists. Accuse MAGA Republicans of “extremist ideology” and being a “threat to democracy.”
2) Order Biden’s Gestapo to harass, intimidate, subpoena, indict, arrest political opposition –50 days out from one of the most consequential midterm elections, determining whether our very Republic, our liberty, our freedoms, will survive Biden’s Reign of Terror and the Great Reset.
Look at Trudeau’s Canada and what he did to the trucker protestors to know what is in store for America if we do not get this election right. Vote MAGA America First. Or else say hello to the Great Reset, CCP Social Credit System, Cashless society, Total Surveillance and Total Government Control. America will fall. You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy.
Jonathan Turley wrote, “This is why I have been critical of both President Biden and former President Trump in their use of “rage rhetoric” for political gain. President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind. Such attacks will no doubt serve to rally supporters in both parties but it will also serve to enrage unstable figures who believe that they are righteous in threatening violence or taking actual violent steps.”
Back on September 7th, I wrote…
I stand by every word of that.
Take a critical look back over just the last 15 years and identify the ideological leanings of the people who are the primary culprits of actually promoting and engaging in politically motivated violence, threats of violence and intimidation across the USA; if you do that honestly I think you will conclude that, with rare exceptions, those that align themselves with progressive, social justice, and Democratic Party ideology are clearly the ones leaning towards these unethical and immoral behaviors.
The patterns are clear, the threats are real, ignore the it at your own peril.
Be prepared, “we’re in for a rough road” ahead.
Witherspoon, while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, thankfully it’s just an opinion.
“ It seems to me that with every day, week and month that passes the immoral tactics and rhetoric of the hive-minded Democratic Party become more and more extreme as they get more confident that their totalitarian tentacles have stretched so deep into the bureaucracies that actually run and control the United States that those tentacles will strangle their opposition with their ends justifies the means tactics.”
Your alarmist and generously filled hyperbole opinion seems more of a reaction to the unfamiliar notion that democrats can push back and act like republicans once in a while. For example the reaction to Biden’s speech was not just about what he said it was also about the fact that he said it. Maga republicans lost their minds when Biden’s speech hit very, very close to the truth. What they are not used to is being the target of such rhetoric after hearing it and dishing it out to others without hardly any serious pushback from democrats. They got so comfortable and complacent with Trump’s constant bashing and ridiculing of democrats from Trump and his closest supporters and enablers that it was fun and ok to demagogue them as of it was a sport. Suddenly the president makes a speech that forcefully and correctly pushed back and called MAGA republicans what they really are and they go completely unhinged and lose their minds in a spittle and frothing at the mouth rage, because President Biden called them out for what they are. How dare he.
Svelaz wrote, “Maga republicans lost their minds when Biden’s speech hit very, very close to the truth.”
That claim is verifiably false. President Biden is a bald-faced intentional liar.
It’s pretty clear that you wouldn’t know real truth if it bit you in the arse.
“ That claim is verifiably false. President Biden is a bald-faced intentional liar.”
So is Trump sweetheart. He’s the leading authority on lying. He lies on an hourly basis. This is why he’s involved in multiple criminal investigations. His constant lying mouth keeps getting him in trouble.
The reaction from maga republicans proved Biden was correct. They couldn’t handle it.
Svelaz wrote, “So is Trump sweetheart.”
In your effort to troll with yet another ignorant whataboutism unethical rationalization deflection, your Freudian Slip deflection was an open acknowledgment that you too believe that President Biden is a bald-faced liar and what I wrote is true and you seem to think that Biden’s lies should be ignored because President Trump has lied.
Svelaz wrote, “The reaction from maga republicans proved Biden was correct.”
I’m just a little confused with your comment because you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth; first you openly acknowledged above that President Biden is a bald-faced liar and what I wrote is true, and second, you seem to be saying that the reaction from Republicans proves that President Biden’s lies are true.
Actually Svelaz, the reaction from Republicans doesn’t support any of the claims that President Biden made in his speech so your statement was a fabricated partisan lie trying to white wash over the fact that you believe that President Biden is a liar and you’re too damned ignorant to hide that fact.
“Take a critical look back over just the last 15 years and identify the ideological leanings of the people who are the primary culprits of actually promoting and engaging in politically motivated violence, threats of violence and intimidation across the USA”
Multiple people who’ve looked at the comprehensive national data have testified under oath that right now there is greater domestic violence extremism on the right than on the left.
I doubt that you’ve tried to look at all of the national data; my guess is that you’ve used a convenience sample. But if I’m wrong about that, please correct me, and tell me how you first gathered all the relevant data, and let’s look at it together now.
I think we’re already in the midst of a rough road.
What did Trump do “In Kind”? don’t give me the left’s imaginary spin, but a link that gives full context. This is the second time I heard this from Turley and It sound like just another leftist lie.
I have absolutely zero problem with those on the left and those on the right being held to exactly the same standards.
But that is not happening.
Today there are MORE democrats that beleive Trump stole the 2016 election than Republicans who beleive that Biden stole the 2020 election.
Yet, no one has been arrested, no ones phone has been seized, congressmen were not questioned by the FBI and threatened with prosecution.
Trump did not speak out about the great threat to the country that 2016 election denieers posed.
No one was arrested for inciting the real violence that occurred in January 2017 in DC.
I just recently watched the Amazon movie “Judas and the Black Jesus”.
The movie was interesting as a retrospective on the politics, violence and policing in the 60’s.
It was also interesting as a reflection of the actual values of the left today.
The Illinois black panthers were clearly the protagonists in the movie. Whether in reality they were more or less violent than portrayed. Whether the police were as portrayed or not.
The writers and producers o the movie made it clear that political violence was Acceptable – so long as it was for an approved cause.
Judas and the Black Jesus told us more about the left today than about the past.
Had Trump or any republicans ever said 1/10th of the violent rhetoric of the movies Black Panther leaders – Garland would have them in jail for life. Had they done 1/100th the violence – they would be in jail for life.
Nor was this about “self defense” – the movie versions of the black panthers were advocating for violent revolution.
My point is that the left is incredibly hypocritical.
I have to wonder why the professor thought it necessary to give a second thought, let alone several paragraphs, to someone most would agree has a disturbed mind (or possibly worse). Is that not giving them the attention they crave which, like school shooters, raise them in their own minds to ‘martyr’ status?
@JAFO
Roy Schneider would be proud. Although I forget the name of the movie… Blue Thunder?
But I digress.
The reason Turley did this article is that she’s not alone.
The louder the echo chambers and the more time you spend in one… the more people like this will exist and come out of the woodwork.
-G
Yes, Blue Thunder. Seems appropriate. 🙂
No, Trump did not “respond in kind.” Why is it so difficult for you to grasp that there’s a huge difference between attacking one’s political opponents verbally, and demonizing their supporters? The Nazis dehumanized the Jewish population, not just its political leaders. That sets the scene to then commit violence against an entire population. Stop with the stupid “equalizing” rhetoric. There’s no equal to what Biden and the Democrats are doing — which has no doubt led to assassination attempts and other forms of violence.
Remember, criticisms of Leftists does equate to criminal behavior in their shallow-thinking minds. They see Orwell’s “1984” as a how-to guide book.
GioCon,
My thoughts exactly.
“President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind.”
Notice that JT only has quotes from the insane left.
“Notice that JT only has quotes from the insane left.”
That’s not because there are no similar quotes on the right. It’s because Turley is biased in who he chooses to quote.
Then by all means, fill in the blank with a quote of President Trump responding in kind calling demonizing half the nation.
He said those on the left are “Fascists. They are fascists. Some of them, not all of them,” which is comparable to Biden saying that some Republicans are semi-fascists.