The undocumented migrants who were transferred to Martha’s Vineyard have quickly adopted one common American practice: litigation. A firm, Lawyers for Civil Rights, in conjunction with the migrant-led nonprofit Alianza Americas, filed the action on behalf of Yanet Doe, Pablo Doe and Jesus Doe who are using pseudonyms for the action “on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated.” The filing is a Jackson Pollock of legal claims with twelve claims thrown against Florida from false imprisonment to intentional infliction of emotional distress to misuse of the Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund. The splattering of claims face considerable legal barriers based on the consent of the migrants, as shown in a waiver released by Florida.
The filing of a lawsuit upon entry to the United States is not unprecedented, of course. Indeed, I teach in torts where an immigrant to the United States filed a tort action for an involuntary inoculation upon entry in O’Brien v. Cunard. Yet, this is a case involving undocumented migrants who allegedly signed a waiver and agreed to the trip.
The filing does not include the widespread claims of kidnapping and human trafficking made by Democratic politicians and some legal experts. Cable programs are still claiming that criminal kidnapping charges should be brought after the flight. In the narrative or background sections, there is no such allegations and the actual civil claims do not appear based on those theories.
The claims include only three Section 1983 claims and do not include the allegation of human trafficking for sex or labor exploitation that is the basis for human trafficking.
As for kidnapping, two of the three 1983 counts involve due process or equal protection claims. One involves “unlawful seizure” because “by fraudulently inducing individual Plaintiffs to cross state lines in the manner described herein, Defendants unreasonably seized Plaintiffs without just cause.” The count states that, “particularly after the individual Plaintiffs had boarded the airplanes and were in mid-air, Plaintiffs were not free to leave, and were induced into that condition through false promises and misrepresentations.” The thrust is a temporary seizure under the Fourth Amendment.
The lawyers are alleging that the migrants were mislead or defrauded in going to Martha’s Vineyard. The flight is portrayed as “designed and executed a premeditated, fraudulent, and illegal scheme centered on exploiting this vulnerability for the sole purpose of advancing their own personal, financial and political interests.”
Gov. DeSantis responded by calling the lawsuit “political theater,” which is ironic given that the flight was clearly designed as precisely that type of political theater.
However, most of these claims are highly dubious and will require substantially more factual support to survive a threshold challenge. The first challenge will be to show that the waiver was secured by trick or fraud. The consent form – available in English and Spanish – states:
“I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts.”
The lawyers are citing a brochure to support the claim of fraud. The brochure reads “Massachusetts Refugee Benefits” with instructions for how to change an address with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), including USCIS Form AR-11, “Alien’s Change of Address Card.” The complaint states:
On information and belief, the brochure was manufactured by Defendants. The brochure echoed the type of false representation that had been given orally, including statements such as: “During the first 90 days after a refugee’s arrival in Massachusetts, agencies provide basic needs support including…assistance with housing…furnishings, food, and other basic necessities…clothing, and transportation to job interviews and job training…assistance in applying for Social Security cards…registering children for school….”
The brochure had a separate section entitled “Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA),” which stated: “Provides up to 8 months of cash assistance for income-eligible refugees without dependent children, who reside in Massachusetts.” It had other sections that described “targeted services for . . . employment.”
The state says that the brochure takes material from the state website for refugees and migrants.
The state is also likely to replay media accounts of migrants expressing satisfaction with going to the island, including an NBC report as well as a Telemundo report of migrants thanking Desantis.
The most serious allegation is that Florida officials “told them they were flying to Boston or Washington, D.C., which was completely false.” The question is the proof of that representation since the waiver refers only to the destination being “the State of Massachusetts.”
Most of the claims are barely defined, let alone supported. For example, on false imprisonment, the complaint merely restates defrauding claims:
The Plaintiffs’ participation in the federal immigration processes—to which they are constitutionally entitled—was impeded, as they were transported thousands of miles away from where they needed to continue immigration proceedings. Plaintiffs were not informed that they would be flown to an island off the coast of Massachusetts that can only be reached by plane or ferry. The first time that many of the putative class learned that their destination was Martha’s Vineyard was when they were in mid-air. When they arrived, they were not provided with any of the goods and services which they were promised by Defendants. They felt defrauded and tricked and were traumatized by the experience.
The only confinement alleged is the flight itself, which necessarily does not allow people to leave mid flight. Thousands of migrants have been transferred by flights to locations around the country, including trips arranged by the Biden Administration and a Democratic mayor.
The complaint is stronger on rhetoric than supporting facts or law. It will face a motion to dismiss and that the litigants may be able to offer more evidence of a fraud or misrepresentations to negate their signed waivers. However, this is unlikely to result in a serious threat to these ongoing flights by various states. This is a civil action that, even if it can survive threshold challenges, will be in the court system for a long time in seeking to establish these claims. Many of these claims are likely to be dismissed or abandoned in the course of that litigation.
Here is the complaint: Alianza-Americas v. DeSantis
Just take a step back and ask yourself is this a good way to treat people? Send them to a small community, nobody in the community knew they were coming. There was no place to place them in the community, This was a disgusting ploy by a repo governor that wants to get the blessing of his god trump and all his minions.
You don’t treat people that way. Stop the nonsense.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/page-one.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
If you don’t supply a link to a comment in which you expressed your objection to the Biden administration flying planeloads of minor invaders around the country, then I’ll just assume you are a hypocritical fraud.
BT:
Just step back and ask yourself: Is this a good way to treat people? You come into their country in violation of their immigration laws jumping over other people who waited and made great efforts to comply, demand services and then dilute the job opportunities and resources of your host only to send most of your illegally earned money back home?
You don’t treat people that way. Stop the nonsense.
“You come into their country in violation of their immigration laws…”
– Mespo
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That’s nothing new.
The status of slaves changed from “property” to “illegal alien” upon the issuance of the wholly unconstitutional emancipation proclamation on January 1, 1863, a year in which the Naturalization Act of 1802 was in full force and effect. Compassionate repatriation was required by immigration law but Lincoln left a 3 million-man, illegal alien, foreign, standing army on U.S. soil, which would constitute an impeachable crime of high office. But then, everything Lincoln did violated law and fundamental law. From the outset, secession was and remains fully constitutional and not prohibited by the Constitution.
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Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802 (four iterations, they meant it).
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof…
The small community where I lived is on the border between Texas and Mexico has a population of 35 thousand people, of which the locals are over 90 percent Hispanic. That sector of the border is now encountering 30 thousand illegal migrant crossings per month. The weather is inhospitable in the summer. The southern border is now encountering over 200,000 per month. In July, that number was 250,000. The Cartel runs the Mexican side of the border and the coyotes can make from 5,000 to 20,000 dollars for helping these people cross. It is a multibillion dollar industry to subsidize their drug operations. If the immigrant doesn’t have it, they owe the Cartel and will pay them back with the free stuff they get while in the United States. If they don’t, they will pay dearly. If I lived in a tyrannical country, I would risk coming to the United States.
A little flight up to the wealthy playground of the glitter rich on a private jet is nothing compared and being housed in a military base is nothing compared to the hardships some of these folks have endured in their home countries. I would have loved the opportunity. I will take a free flight to Martha’s Vineyard. Frankly, I wish the people coming here all the success in the world. There are certainly plenty of jobs open right now, as there seems to be Americans who are no longer hungry and willing to go to work and make a hand (must be nice).
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
BabyTrump:
Joe Biden has been flying illegal aliens to red states under cover of night for his entire presidency, without notifying those states.
We’ve already received millions of illegal border crossings. Democrats enticed these people to pay violent drug cartels to smuggle them across inhospitable deserts. So many women and girls get raped by these criminals that there are “rape trees” with underwear hung as trophies to taunt Border Patrol. People drown in rivers, are left to die in deserts. I’ve seen so many videos of BP coming across abandoned small children screaming in pure terror, in that note that sends a jolt of adrenaline in any decent human being. There are kids who’ve been raped, trafficked, and who’ve died because Democrats sent a very clear message that this was OK.
Illegal immigration is NOT ok. It’s a billion dollar business, annually, for the very cartels that make living in Latin America so dangerous.
The open border has allowed fentanyl to pour into the US, killing teens who try counterfeit drugs.
You are wrong to support this. Democrat immigration policy has led to death and rape. It is unethical to encourage people to pay $15,000 to cartels who abuse them, when it only takes a few hundred dollars, and more time, to immigrate here legally.
Even a prostitute is supposed to have the right to say who and how many. Democrats have taken that right away from US immigration policy.
We regularly encounter people on terror watch lists among these illegal immigrants. How many have gotten through? If 9/11 happened today, those terrorists wouldn’t have bothered to have student visas. They would have crossed illegally.
There will be another 9/11, if not more, due tot his disastrous policy.
Democrats need to go tour the border, speak to the Americans affected down by the border, tour the schools where learning has ground to a halt because ESL students now outnumber legal residents and citizens, so the kids can’t learn anything. They need to review ER wait times as millions of illegals simply crash the system. Then they need to take a good, hard look at those Rape Trees and reconsider their choices.
You have no moral high ground in this matter.
Karen S: you just need to stop lying right now. We do NOT have “open borders”. Stop lying about that. That’s a Fox News talking point, but it’s untrue. Democrats have NOT “enticed” anyone to come into this country, especially not drug dealers, and it is an especially outrageous lie for you to claim “Democrats sent a very clear message that this was OK”–“this” being raping anyone or trafficking for sex or drugs. Democrats have never “encouraged” anyone to pay $15,000 to drug cartels to transport people into this country. I challenge you to submit proof of the time, place and name of any Democrat who ever said that it is “OK” to rape anyone or allow drug dealers the cartels or those engaging in sex traffiking to come into this country illegally. You won’t be able to, and you never apologize when you are wrong, so will you at least stop lying about this? If you don’t, I’m going to call you out each and every time you lie.
Despite the lies peddled every night by Tucker, Hannity, Levin, and Ingraham, Democrats are NOT the cause of the surge in immigration, either illegal, or by those seeking asylum. It is NOT illegal to come to the US border and seek asylum. It is illegal to sneak in and try to blend in. Migration from south of the border has been a problem for decades, and there’s no easy solution. Abusing migrants by kidnapping their children, incarcerating them in massive holding facilities and lying to them about jobs, housing and financial aid in an off-season summer vacation island to induce them to leave, is NOT the answer. Our laws allow people to seek asylum by turning themselves in at the US Border. They are given a case number and will have a hearing to determine whether they can prove they qualify for asylum. If they don’t–they are sent back. If they don’t show up–if they are caught, they are sent back. The Obama and Biden administrations have sent back hundreds of thousands of them. Republicans have NO workable solution to the problem, so they appeal to disciples like you by blaming Democrats, they lie about Democrats “encouraging” migrants and asylum-seekers to come here, but they have no desire to cure the problem by punishing those who hire unskilled laborers who are illegal–hoteliers, non-union construction companies, roofing companies, restaurants, landscaping and nanny and housekeeping services, and others that rely on cheap labor to maximize profits. If they enforce laws making it illegal to hire illegal undocumented workers, and toughen enforcement, if there aren’t jobs, they won’t come here.
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Obama deported more people from south of the border than Trump ever did. Look it up. Biden is on track to do the same. Both have deported hundreds of thousands of them. Facts don’t matter to disciples–they prefer to believe lies. So, you can close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and repeat your mantras: “Trump Won” , “We do have open borders”, “Hydroxychloroquine is a COVID cure”. “Mexico will pay for the wall”, “15 cases will soon be 0 cases”, “You’ll be back in church for Easter”, “Trump did more for black people than Lincoln”, “frankly we DID win this election” until you turn blue, but that won’t make any of it true.
Natasha, you’re so right, and Trump was a bad guy.
That’s for the jury to decide.
There was no place to put 50 people in a community that houses 150,000+ tourists every summer. A small community. Nobody knew they were coming! Sure. Just like nobody in Podunk Ohio knows Biden is dumping hundreds of illegal aliens there before they show up. Multiplied by hundreds of Podunks around the country.
I agree it’s not a good way to treat them. They are illegal aliens and should have been deported immediately to their countries of origin.
They walked here, and came in illegally. They have no rights. Go home if you don’t like it.
You’re not a fan of our Constitution giving everyone here certain rights, huh?
Wen Bars wrote, “They have no rights.”
With all due respect to your opinion, that’s unAmerican at its core and simply false.
Yes they have basic rights, but no right to our property.
Steve……….I think the Democrats should give the illegal aliens (I believe that’s what they’re called in Federal statutes) all of the respect and rights and benefits that they give unborn children. Oops!
Wow! You hit where it hurts. 🙂
Good for them!
first JAIL THEM ALL!
can we first send EVERY ILLEGAL back! Let them FIX their country…or Apply…like EVERYONE ELSE!
There’s no evidence the people flown to a wealthy resort destination were actually harmed by that action, one of the requirements for getting into court. The harm came afterwards when the people who SAY they love them, including yard signs and government proclamations saying “You’re welcome here!”, pushed them off their wealthy resort island into military barracks. They’re suing the wrong parties.
they are illegal and HAVE ZERO RIGHTS
I’m not disagreeing, only pointing out that to get a hearing they must have evidence they’ve been harmed. Chances are they don’t have ‘standing’ either, but ‘standing’ is easier to claim than any claim they’ve been ‘harmed’ by being sent to a wealthy resort town into the arms of people who claim they’re always welcome and they’ll be provided ‘sanctuary’.
Martha’s Vineyard has a housing shortage. There aren’t any houses there less than 5 million dollars. How can the Vinyarders take care of these illegal aliens?
Surely they could work the vineyards and double-bunk with the gardeners. 🙂
MV has 20,000 off season resident, and 200,000 on season.
It is off season.
There is no shortage of beds at MV.
Why is it that people who are here ILLEGALLY have any kind of legal standing in our courts? Just as they’re going to be sucking up all kinds of social service money at U.S. taxpayer expense, now they’re taking up time and salaries in the U.S. court system!!!! Hey if you don’t like how de Santis treated you, go back to the wonderful country you left. I know this sounds like the ravings of a redneck but I’m a Stanford Ph.D. and senior engineer in Silicon Valley who has had just about enough of this.
Wow. First of all, they aren’t here illegally. It’s legal for them to be in the US pending their immigration hearing. Second, ALL people in the US have certain constitutional rights because we’re a constitutional democracy. How unAmerican of you to object to people having constitutional rights.
They are here illegally.
8 U.S. Code § 1158 – Asylum
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
(2)Exceptions
(A)Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.
Do you understand the meaning of “if”? The AG has not determined that. In fact, Venezuelans have TPS.
Let’s not start pushing for laws that are contrived and therefore lawless. That is what the Biden administration has been doing.
Thank you. Millions agree with you. Now please vote accordingly in November.
I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut the only suit these illegals think their going to get are new 3 piece cotton suits.
RE:”Here is the complaint: Alianza-Americas v. DeSantis..” Consider this. It may be relevant. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_7_3_direct_contact_with_prospective_clients/
“The filing is a Jackson Pollock of legal claims with twelve claims thrown against Florida from false imprisonment to intentional infliction of emotional distress to misuse of the Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund. The splattering of a claims face considerable legal barriers based on the consent of the migrants, as shown in a waiver released by Florida.”
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Too much, too little, too late about sums it up and boy, does Johnny have it right. “It’s over.”
Message from Martha’s Vineyard. “Not in my backyard.”
The glitter rich elites were embarrassed in their own hypocrisy. They haven’t felt the impact (nor do they intend to) of their bizarre and hurtful policies. They live in a bubble of their own making and how dare a tiny group of diverse people upset their fake world.
Here is a pledge they should make. “I will no longer fly in private jets. I will not live behind a walled compound. I agree not to heat and cool more than 2500 square feet of my palatial mansion(s). I will not use precious carbon emitting energy to heat my pool. I will not waist polluting fossil gasoline in my yacht. I will open up my thousand of square feet and sprawling acres of my properties to be used for shelter of the homeless and millions who have crossed the border this year.”
How many square feet do the Obamas have in their coastal mansions? Bill Gates?
What a crock of BS.
The rich aren’t on Martha’s Vineyard this time of year. Only poor and middle class people live there year-round.
Fall leaf change season is just beginning. They’re there.
No, it’s already cold on MV, and if they want to see trees in fall color, they’d go someplace where there’s a concentration trees with great color, which is not the case for the trees on MV. MV is nowhere close to a top New England destination for fall color.
Martha’s Vinyard? Nantucket is worse. That’s the island where billionaire’s have pushed millionaires off the island. Poor John Kerry had to leave Nantucket. He left Nantucket to live on an island that the Forbes family owns. Remember, his middle name is Forbes. Yes the former senator is a real man of the people. He wants to be close to us.
It takes around 20 immigrants worth of taxes to support each displaced American on public assistance. The math does not support illegal immigration.
A new category of lawyers….from ambulance chasers to immigrant chasers.
The Plaintiffs’ participation in the federal immigration processes—to which they are constitutionally entitled…
I wasn’t aware that one need only to land a foot on U.S. soil to earn the right to participate in the immigration process. It seems as though only idiots go through legal ports of entry, given the benefits doled out to those avoiding them.
So an aircraft could violate our airspace, drop plane loads of foreign nationals on our soil and viola, they suddenly have constitutional rights?
Is that the law, or just another example of abusing the administration of the law?
Every person in the US, whether or not they arrived here legally, has certain constitutional rights. Is that really news to you?
Other rights depend on the person’s citizenship status or on other varying factors, such as age.
As for the rights of these particular people, you quote from paragraph 167, but you ignored the part of paragraph 1 that says “After crossing the United States border, the Plaintiffs immediately surrendered themselves to federal immigration officials, and each has—and at all times pertinent to the allegations in this Complaint has had—active federal proceedings to adjudicate their immigration status. Unless and until determined otherwise after the due process to which they are entitled, Plaintiffs are authorized by federal immigration officials to remain in the United States.”
By not stopping and applying for asylum in the the fist country that offered Safe Harbor in between here and whatever their country of origin was negated their right to proceedings on US soil.
No hearing, no lawsuit. Send them back immediately.
Our laws and courts disagree with you.
Every person in the US, whether or not they arrived here legally, has certain constitutional rights. Is that really news to you?
Nope. Not news at all. It’s called due process. According to asylum law:
(a)Authority to apply for asylum
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
(2)Exceptions
(A)Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
I stand by my original question: So an aircraft could violate our airspace, drop plane loads of foreign nationals on our soil and viola, they suddenly have constitutional rights?
It would appear that any administration that has a penchant for finding a workaround of the constitution and in this case, immigration law, will find the asylum law to be the perfect vehicle to open our border. It provides a ton of discretion to the Attorney General. Ultimately, it comes down to the intent of the immigration law and the execution of that law by the current administration. The execution in this case not only floods our country with “asylum seekers”, it has enabled a flood of drug and human trafficking, gotaways, criminals and others on the terrorist watchlist. I seriously doubt all of that was argued as a feature of our immigration laws.
While the illegal aliens are defacto and dejure law breakers (they broke U.S. law by the United States at places other than those designated for proper entry), they are protected by the U.S. Constitution. Only in a few places does the Constitution refer to citizens of the U.S.. In most place it refers to “the rights of the people” with no qualifiers. Thus illegal aliens are afforded rights and protections.
I think if these people were injured, they should be made whole. I say we should send them back to the cities from which they were taken. As for compensation, it can be argued that they were given a free vacation but we should not expect them to pay for it.
They should be returned to go live on the streets they were living on when they were taken.
send them home with NOTHING….we OWE THEM NOTHING
More liberal bull shit. Exactly what we expect.
“Three Martha Vineyard Migrants File Lawsuit Against DeSantis
Anyone have any doubt that this nonsense was going to happen?
The Judge should throw the case out of court and reprimand the lawyers that filed the case.
Can you quote the parts of the motion that you think are poorly founded?
Looks like Anon found a new sock puppet.
Sam wrote, “Looks like Anon found a new sock puppet.”
So what? At least it’s unique and not Anonymous.
Your ad hominem is pointless and just looks like deflection trolling.
Sam, you are correct, ATS took the name Johnathan, and perhaps he will rid himself of the Anonymous ATS and alternative names. That is not a bad thing. At least he can maintain a reputation that is consistent and can be corrected. I hope so.
I pointed out some flaws when dealing with ATS in the prior postings.
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/09/20/new-mexico-students-shutdown-conservative-speaker-in-latest-attack-on-free-speech/comment-page-3/#comment-2224962
This comment of Jonathan’s mimics ATS to a tee.
September 20, 2022 at 10:25 AM
The Anonymous who comments most often is the guy who also posts as S Meyer. Good luck convincing him to give up his anonymous comments.
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/09/20/new-mexico-students-shutdown-conservative-speaker-in-latest-attack-on-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-2224767
The entire motion based on claims of fraud, misrepresentations, illegal confinement, etc is all an extrapolation to utter absurdity and these political hacks having the audacity to talk about using the illegal immigrants as political pawns is shoulder deep in ironic hypocrisy.
I won’t stop saying that, “the political left has shown its pattern of propaganda lies within their narratives so many times since 2016 that it’s beyond me why anyone [including any Judge in this civil case] would blindly accept any narrative that the political left [or partisan activist lawyers] and their lapdog media actively push?”
This civil case is pure political propaganda theater using the illegal immigrants as political pawns, this case is an obvious abuse of the judicial system trying to weaponize it for political purposes and the lawyers should be reprimanded for their transparent abuse of the system.
Immigration lawyers are ambulance chasers, and in this case, they’re also drama queens. This is meant to strike points against DeSantis in his upcoming election, and to give cover to the Democrats all over the country who are facing tough election challenges, in part because of their immigration debacle. But, as usual with Democratic-inspired schemes, this will come back to bite them. I suspect that no moderate Democrats, not to mention Independents, want to see illegal immigration go out of control as it has under Biden. The fatal flaw in the Dem strategy is that they never make a distinction between legal and illegal immigration. All they go for is the “victim” and “open borders” narrative. And that’s getting old. Like their “defund the police” tactic, which flopped brilliantly, “open borders” will also come back to haunt them for many elections ahead.
No surprise that JT links to images of Jackson Pollock paintings, but doesn’t link to the “brochure to support the claim of fraud.” He doesn’t want his readers to be fully informed.
The brochure is here: https://popular.info/p/update-desantis-defends-phony-brochure
Re: the brochure, “On information and belief, Defendants manufactured the official-looking brochure—lifting language from the Massachusetts Refugee Resettlement Program, a governmental program with highly specific eligibility requirements for which no members of the putative class are eligible—in order to buttress their false oral representations to Plaintiffs in furtherance of the conspiracy described throughout this complaint.”
The complaint also says, “On information and belief, the Defendants procured and paid $615,000 for private chartered planes ($12,300 per passenger), transported class members to the aircrafts, and told them they were flying to Boston or Washington, D.C.”
What a huge waste of taxpayer funds on DeSantis’s part.
Seems a lot less that what Florida would have had to spend to support them.
They were in TX, not FL. They weren’t headed to FL. So the amount that Florida would have had to spend to support them is a whopping $0. Did you fail math that you think $615,000 is less than $0?
Jonathan, new fool for this site, the ILLEGALS were given the brochures at the END OF THE FLIGHT! How then did the brochure entice the ILLEGALS to get on the plane?
PS. The brochure is MASSACHUSETTS POLICY and therefore more hypocrisy from blue idiots.
hullbobby, I didn’t say that the brochure enticed them, so why are you suggesting I did?
These migrants are not eligible for the MA refugee resettlement program. DeSantis lifted language from an actual MA program for which they’re not eligible, pretending that they were eligible. It’s dishonest. That you consider it “hypocrisy” for the lawyers to point out that they’re not eligible is bizarre.
That was posted by me, Jonathan, not sure why my name didn’t show up.
Jonathan, what are you telling us? Is the leftist State of Massachusettes lying to anyone who reads their brochure? I guess, gradually, you recognize the hypocrisy of the left. Those Venezuelans should be suing Martha’s Vineyard and Massachusettes for false advertising.
There should be a class action lawsuit against this administration for their border policies enabling the trafficking of fentanyl into our country. Fentanyl overdoses are now the leading cause of death for 18-45 year olds.
The brochure didn’t come from the State of MA, so it’s not “their brochure”. It even has a fake MA flag on the front. DeSantis lifted some text from the MA Refugee Resettlement Program, but these migrants aren’t eligible for that program. DeSantis omitted the text about eligibility, unlike Massachusetts’ own material about their Refugee Resettlement Program, which is forthright about who is eligible.
Jonathan, we have two documents. One is a brochure. We all get travel brochure’s that paint lovely pictures, but they are not legal documents. Both we and the illegals read brochures but sign the legal document that is legally binding. I don’t even think that was necessary, but for this argument, we will consider the legal document and what is in its four corners to be legally binding.
Haltn tsu makhn a groys gesheft fun gornisht. (Stop making a big deal out of nothing.)
Lefties got pimped.
Now they are lashing out.
Own it guys; you were shown up as hypocrites.
And the bias in the media was demonstrated once again to thinking Americans.
You assume that people trying to escape Venezuela’s Maduro regime are “lefties”? Why?
I don’t assume they are lefties, but there is prima facia evidence they are in the country illegally, which at the very least makes them criminal suspects.
They are here to ask for asylum. Asking for asylum is legal. Most of not all had identified themselves to the appropriate agency of the government. I realize this doesn’t matter to Republicans but it happens to be the case.
The immigrants weren’t in Florida. DiSantis had them collected in Texas through a variety of schemes. Again I realize that doesn’t matter to Republicans.
DiSantis is using human beings as political weapons. It’s despicable but then being lawless, despicable and outrageous seems to be the essence of the Republican Party and it’s candidates and office holders.
They are obliged to stop in the country of 1st safe harbor along the way to apply for asylum status. Did Venezuelans stop in Colombia? Did Nicaraguans go to Costa Rica? How did Cubans get here? Did they land in Florida of did they cross to Mexico first? No? Then they are here illegally.
I was married to a refugee for 19 years. I know how this works. After they left the USSR they flew to Vienna to apply for refugee status. They didn’t get a say in what country accepted them. The US decided to process their paperwork before Canada and Australia, so the State Department moved them to Italy for almost a year while their application was processed. Only when their application was accepted were they allowed to enter the United States.
Economic migration or the level of crime and violence in their home country is not grounds for asylum, so tell me what widespread political or religious oppression and imminent threat did these people, and the hundreds of thousands of others face?
Current, you are correct. The US didn’t permit my wife’s entry to the US despite risking her life and aiding the west. At that time, the borders were closed, so she stayed in a refugee camp in a tent in the freezing winter. (someone else remarked that Martha’s Vineyard was getting cold… what a BS argument.). She was finally approved to enter the US, but before entering, there was a stop at Ellis Island where she could be sent back for all sorts of reasons. Many immigrant seekers were not accepted and returned to their homelands. Earlier ships carrying refugees were turned away even though it was known many on the ship would die if returned from where they came.
The left is making up stories about immigration.
They’re not in the country illegally. They have permission of the government to be in the country until their immigration case is heard by a court.
They are, in fact, in the country illegally. They are not legally present because they get to have a hearing to determine if they are in the country legally. If they were in the country legally, no such hearing would be necessary.
Non-citizens in the country legally also have immigration hearings.
If you don’t assume they’re lefties, who are you referring to when you said “Lefties got pimped”?