Yesterday, FBI Director Christopher Wray confirmed that the FBI believes that Covid-19 did originate from a lab in China. While liberal pundits have tried to dismiss the similar finding of the Department of Energy, the public attention of the FBI will make it more difficult to spin out of this major story. Yet, the most interesting moment with Wray came in an interview with Fox News host Bret Baier. Wray told Baier that the agency has, “for quite some time now, assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.” The notion that the FBI has held this belief for “quite some time now” is unnerving since it remained stoney silent as experts and commentators were censored and shunned for even uttering the theory.
The disclosure of the Energy Department’s conclusion has followed a familiar attack pattern. While the Wall Street Journal report referenced the supporting view of intelligence officials, some of the left reflectively followed the same modus operandi in attacking the Department like it was some isolated scientist who dared to speak up. Comedian Stephen Colbert ridiculed the Department for failing to make enough charging stations and claimed that this was “outside the lane” of the Department. In other words, a Department tasked with this investigation by the President with extensive lab search facilities lacked expertise to render an opinion. Colbert even noted “You don’t see the Census Bureau building nukes.”
It is a typical attack point for many on the left, but it works better when you are stripping some luckless, lonely academic of speaking opportunities or censoring him on social media. For his part, Wray seemed to cut off such a similar attack in his interview with Baier:
“Let me step back for a second, the FBI has folks, agents, professionals, analysts, virologists, microbiologists, etc. who focus specifically on the dangers of biological threats, which include things like novel viruses like COVID and the concerns that, in the wrong hands, some bad guys, a hostile nation-state, a terrorist, a criminal, the threats that those could pose. So, here, you’re talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab that killed millions of Americans, and that’s precisely what that capability was designed for. I should add that our work related to this continues, and there are not a whole lot of details I can share that aren’t classified. I will just make the observation that the Chinese government, it seems to me, has been doing its best to try to thwart and obfuscate the work here…and that’s unfortunate for everybody.”
In other words, this is “our lane.”
However, the failure to previously disclose this conclusion was troubling. For years, scientists faced censorship for even raising the lab theory as a possible explanation for the virus. Their reputations and careers were shredded by a media flash mob. The Washington Post declared this a “debunked” coronavirus “conspiracy theory.” The New York Times’ Science and Health reporter Apoorva Mandavilli was calling any mention of the lab theory “racist.”
When a Chinese researcher told Fox News that this was man-made, the network was attacked and the left-leaning PolitiFact slammed her with her a “pants on fire rating.”
The social media companies censored thousands of postings to prevent the very discussion of the theory. Academic, media, and government forces aligned to prevent this — and other debates on Covid — from taking place.
The FBI was part of that general censorship effort. The Twitter Files has established that as many as 80 agents may have been employed to target citizens and others for censorship on social media. We also know that the CDC was actively involved in such censorship efforts.
When those files were released, Democrats went into a full attack mode. Some even accused those wanting to investigate the FBI’s role in censorship of being “Putin lovers” in a type of Red Scare 2.0.
I testified at the recent hearing on the files and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) adopted the same Colbert-like attack. She denounced me for offering “legal opinions” without actually working at Twitter. It is like saying that a witness should not discuss the content of the Pentagon Papers unless he worked at the Pentagon. It was particularly bizarre because the content of the Twitter Files (like the Pentagon papers) are “facts.” The implication of those facts are opinions. I was asked about both the factual content of Twitter files and their legal implications. Nevertheless, the effort was to portray anyone objecting to censorship as “outside their lane” or engaging in raw speculation. Yet, the Democrats have still opposed any investigation into the facts of government-supported censorship.
We now know that the FBI, for “quite some time now,” has agreed with scientists and experts who were being censored over this theory. It is not clear if the FBI actively sought their censorship on social media. However, at best, the FBI stayed silent as the media pushed the narrative that the lab theory was a racist, debunked conspiracy theory.
That record is similar to what occurred on the Russian collusion scandal. Early on in the scandal, the FBI was informed that the infamous Steele dossier was not only paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign but may be part of a disinformation campaign by Russian intelligence. Key sources were pegged as likely Russian intelligence assets. Yet none of this was revealed for years as the media relentlessly pounded away on the allegations and attacked anyone who expressed doubts on the basis of the investigation. Notably, a great deal of information damaging to then President Donald Trump leaked from the FBI but not the fact that it was told that this might be a Russian disinformation effort.
Obviously, the FBI’s role is not to correct the record in political or scientific debates. However, the FBI was repeatedly asked about this theory by Congress over the years and never indicated publicly that it had made this determination.
It is also not clear if the House and Senate intelligence committees were told of this finding. In May 2021, then-House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff said that the Committee was assessing the intelligence. He warned critics from making any “any premature or politically motivated conclusions.” He promised a conclusion within a couple months.
If the FBI had reached this conclusion “some time” ago, the question is whether it or agencies like CDC were still supporting the censorship of those raising the theory. This is why the public should be focused as much on the censorship as the science behind the lab theory controversy. We will likely debate for years the merits of the theory. However, that is a debate that many in the media, academia, and the government actively sought to prevent for years. We need to know how our own government may have contributed to that ignoble effort.
Progressive clowns are stupid. Laugh at their stupidity. Their “jokes” are pathetic, see colbert.
Intelligence Divided..
But Science Is More Certain: ‘Animals Are Culprit’!
Virologists who study pandemic origins are much less divided than the U.S. intelligence community. They say there is “very convincing” data and “overwhelming evidence” pointing to an animal origin.
In particular, scientists published two extensive, peer-reviewed papers in Science in July 2022, offering the strongest evidence to date that the COVID-19 pandemic originated in animals at a market in Wuhan, China. Specifically, they conclude that the coronavirus most likely jumped from a caged wild animal into people at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, where a huge COVID-19 outbreak began in December 2019.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
St@@ge, show us your teats!
In support of your assertion that there is a consensus among virologists that COVID resulted from a species jump, you cite only one study: “The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic”, Science, July 26, 2022. Based on a cursory review, this study seems to base its conclusion on the relative cluserting of early cases around the wet market. This strikes me as an extremely weak argument. First, it relies upon CCCP data, which is not reliable. Second, an infected member of the staff of the Wuhan labs could have carried the disease to the area of the wet market, where it could have then spread among the crowds there. A bigger problem for the animal-to-human jump theory is that no one has been able to find the animal that supposedly trasnferred the disease to humans, after more than 3 years searching. There are also technical objections to the animal origin theory based on wide differences in the form of the COVID molecule from earlier SARS molecules. [For example, Kristian Andersen is quoted as saying: “The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (<0.1%) so one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered,' he wrote." https://nypost. com/2021/ 06/02/fauci-was-warned-that-covid-may-have-been-engineered-emails/?] But the biggest objection to the zoonotic theory is that it flies in the face of obvious facts. The Wuhan labs were working on gain-of-function reseach, deemed dangerous by the American government; their work was criticized as being sloppy; a researcher at the lab caught the disease and later died, after warning the world of the new disease; the CCCP did everything in its power to wipe away any trace of the GOF research there and later obstructed a W.H.O. fact-finding team's work in Wuhan. We don't need to know anymore than these facts to conclude that the lab leak theory is valid. Are we really supposed to believe that of all the places on earth where a zoonotic transmission of COVID occured was within a couple of miles from the labs where the Chinese government was furiously working on genetically-enhanced SARS viruses? What are the odds of that?
As I understand things a big problem is with Crisper Gene Splicing Tech.
When some lab, say in Chapel Hill North Caroline, Dr Baruic )Sic), splices Sars-Cov it leases clear marks showing were it was cut & how many times.
Then say they shipped it to China to continue what now appears as highly illegal bio-chem weapons development.
India’s lab, another lab I forget & Lancet reported it. 5 different cuts/splices, including the HIV outer shell, is what India’s lab was reported saying back around 2019-1st of 2020 news sources I watch were reporting. India pulled their report not because it was wrong but under threat by some party. The other 2 did the same best I recall.
So if the right person has the skillsets, a microscope, reported virus material & all the transfer docs & list of who worked on it you can check, findout & tell us all with certainty.
In the mean time here’s another realtime interview below from the great crew at Infowars/Alex Jones archived at Banned.Video.
BTW if people like you don’t step up by a product you already need & support/pay a bit or like you were paying for a newspaper or a cable channel real independent news sources will disappear. And almost No One keeps lawyers employed then Alex Jones! LOL;) Deep State hates his Guts for a reason.
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“They say there is “very convincing” data and “overwhelming evidence” pointing to an animal origin.”
Anon, What gives? Research continuously has provided evidence that this theory was dying before the paper was written in July 2022 which is ancient for this disease. You destroy your credibility and don’t realize it.
What’s the difference between Karine Jean-Pierre and Svelaz? KJP must perform her act live, in person and on camera.
If Wray is accusing “Chy-na” it probably means that it was really the US government. How come nobody comes out and says “Trump was right about everything?”
From May of 2021,
Biden Orders Review Of Pandemic’s Origins
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/biden-orders-us-intelligence-to-intensify-investigation-into-covid-19-origins.html
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It seems that President Biden was sincerely interested in learning how the Pandemic started during his first year in office. To imply that Biden was part of a ‘cover-up’ is simply a lie.
Anonymous – If Biden had been “sincerely interested in learning how the Pandemic started”, he would not have shut down the investigation initiated by the Trump adminstration, https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/biden-shut-down-trump-effort-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html Then, when he issued his demand to the intelligence agencies to investigate “further” the origin of the virus, he set an arbitrary 90 day deadline for a report, and when nothing new or conclusive was found, he lost interest in the question. As the Japan Times noted:
” Biden appeared to bow to another Chinese demand — that the U.S. stop tracing the origins of the COVID-19 virus, even though the world has a right to know if China caused the worst disaster of our time that has already killed more than 4.5 million people worldwide. Biden announced on Aug. 27 — 12 days after Kabul’s fall — that the intelligence inquiry he initiated had ended, despite the fact that it failed to uncover the genesis of the pandemic.
Xi’s regime, involved in perhaps one of the greatest cover-ups ever seen, doesn’t appear to want the truth to come out. After all, if China’s alleged negligence or complicity spawned the world’s worst public-health catastrophe in more than a century, it would constitute a crime against humanity. Biden should have ordered the U.S. intelligence community to keep searching for the true origins of the virus until a definitive conclusion could be reached. By not extending the inquiry’s 90-day deadline, Biden in effect gave the Chinese what they wanted.”
Quoted from https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/japanese-publication-accuses-biden-of-bowing-to-china-on-covid/
Edward,
Your CNN story is illustrative of exactly how the leftist media pushes the Democrat phony narrative
Reading through the CNN “story” is lots of “people close to the investigation, expressing “concerns”. Other that a few major players public comments, the the entire story has no sourcing.
So CNN can say , hey we covered the story we are honest brokers of information. But the vast majority of fhe “story” is throwing shade at the State Dept investigation, shut down by Biden.
Trying to determine what at the State Dept is IC, and what is State is almost impossible to discern. The IC has fatally infected the State Dept. Most at State see them selves as wanna be 007’s
Unfortunately some things get lost in the shuffle. I can recall when Nancy Pelosi went to China Town to say that there was nothing to fear from the virus. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/. While she was there she played the race card against Trump. Then latter she changed her tune to we must shut down at all cost. How many people were infected due to her lack of caution for political purposes. Be not mistaken the hero of our leftist posters on this blog is Non other than Nancy Pelosi.
Biden Asked For Review Of Pandemic’s Origins 2 Years Ago
In mid-2021, when President Joe Biden asked the U.S. intelligence community for a 90-day review of the pandemic’s origins, the response came back divided: Four agencies, plus the National Intelligence Council, guessed that COVID started (as nearly all pandemics do) with a natural exposure to an infected animal; three agencies couldn’t decide on an answer; and one blamed a laboratory accident.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/02/covid-pandemic-origin-china-lab-leak-theory-energy-department/673230/
The Atlanic is just more Trash like NYT,Wapo, CNN, NPR & all of the old Mockingbird Trash put out by the CIA, FBI, & the rest of the ABC corrupted govt leadership agencies.
So, Oky, we’re supposed to believe The Atlantic just fabricated a review that never happened??
Anonymous, thank you for reminding us that we were lied to from the top to the bottom. What did they base their study on. The fact that 50,000 tests on animals came up with no evidence that the virus was transferred from an animal to a human. It should not be forgotten that the scientist receive grants from the federal government. Do you think that they would say anything that might stop the gravy train. Wether you know it or not scientist are not saints. I do admire them for their survival instinct.
St**ge, show us PROOF we were lied to.
People in the rightwing bubble have a tendency to think rightwing talking points are ‘facts’.
Outfits like those I mentioned have lied to the people so many times in the past I’ve no interest in giving them the time of day.
Btw, I forgot the names that own those outfit? I guess most are likely Satan Worshipers, Pedo/supporting fa*ggots LGBTPP.
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Dr. Francis Boyle: “Bioweapon” mRNA Vaccines Violate Nuremberg Ruling Against Nazi Cruelty
Infowars.com
December 8th 2020, 4:04 pm
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/01/wray-confirms-that-fbi-accepted-lab-theory-as-likely-for-quite-some-time-now/#comments
(Corrected Link)
Outfits like those I mentioned have lied to the people so many times in the past I’ve no interest in giving them the time of day.
Btw, I forgot the names that own those outfit? I guess most are likely Satan Worshipers, Pedo/supporting fa*ggots LGBTPP.
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Dr. Francis Boyle: “Bioweapon” mRNA Vaccines Violate Nuremberg Ruling Against Nazi Cruelty
Infowars.com
December 8th 2020, 4:04 pm
https://www.infowars.com/posts/dr-francis-boyle-darpas-biowarfare-weapon-vaccine-will-kill-people/
Biden Asked For Review Of Pandemic’s Origins 2 Years Ago
But this post is not about the origins.
This is about Biden censoring any debate about the lab leak
St**ge, show us the paragraph that claims Biden lied.
Doctor testifies that two leading virologists were bought off to shut up about the lab leak theory. Those two virologists had told Dr. Fauci in January 2020, soon after he had learned that NIH was funding the lab, that the virus came from the lab. But they changed their story days later in the media, and then they each received $9,000,000 in funding from NIH. See the crucial 90 seconds of testimony here:
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/dr-marty-makary-drops-the-mic-on-faucis-fat-head/
Chris Wray, In short:
“Yeah, we meant to do that.”
The groundhog didn’t see his shadow. It’s OK to believe the lab leak.
Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland: “Begin at the beginning,” the King said, very gravely,”and go on till you come to the end: then stop.”
More or less heeding that advice while recognizing that one might need to expend an inordinate amount of time employing cultural calculus to incrimentally determine precisely where the ACTUAL beginning begins, let’s go back to NEAR the beginning, when the American public first began being inundated with supposed “expert” advice concerning dealing with coronavirus:
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February 17, 2020, USA Today: Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is ‘minuscule’; skip mask and wash hands
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
,,, Fauci doesn’t want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is “just minuscule.” But he does want them to take precautions against the “influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave.”
“We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more,” he said. “At the same time people are worrying about going to a Chinese restaurant. The threat is (we have) a pretty bad influenza season, particularly dangerous for our children.”
Fauci offered advice for people who want to protect against the “real and present danger” of seasonal flu, which also would protect against the hypothetical danger of coronavirus.
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Key phrases:
(1) “Fauci doesn’t want people to worry”
(2) “coronavirus, the danger of which is ‘just minuscule’ ”
(3) ” ‘real and present danger’ of seasonal flu” vs. “hypothetical danger of coronavirus”
That seems to be ground zero — not for the coronavirus pandemic, but for public CONFUSION about what the heck was going on, as each of those phrases soon afterward pulled a 180 and sped off in the opposite direction at the speed of sound. If anyone ever wants to realistically investigate how the pandemic PANDEMONIUM got started, those statements by Fraud Fauci might be Lewis Carol’s Beginning at which to begin. How can a supposed “expert” be so wrong and still retain status as a expert? Or conversely, maybe he wasn’t initially wrong, and decided it wasn’t in the public’s interest to know the TRUTH?
I have always thought the King’s advice excellent.
As for Fauci, he changed direction so often it could give one whiplash. I stopped believing anything that came from his lips quite early. But then, I was also reminded early of the way he botched AIDS research and treatment, costing thousands of lives. Of course he kept his job. And got to botch an even bigger threat response, costing lives by the millions.
And, just like any politician, he gets to retire with honors and riches to more honors and riches.
Yeah, but I suspect Fauci knows that eventually — sooner or later — his reputation will assume its rightful place along side the reputation of Todesengel Josef Mengele, the Nazi Angel of Death.
Depends. On how long we keep fighting, whether we winn, and, more important, whether we survive. If Biden keeps on the way we’re going, the Faucis and Bidens and such-like will be helicoptered to safety under the mountains, while the rest of us melt in the nuclear Holocaust he’s shoving us toward.
St**ge, your Nazi references are something of a ‘signature’ that reads, “Estovir”.
Bite me, jack off.
Double glove, get quadruple Monkey Pox vaccines, bathe in bleach before, during and after the biting and wear multiple N95 masks. This is to demonstrate you follow the science
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Price Of Eggs ‘Not’ Related To Lab Leak
The Cause Is Bird Flu!
The increased cost of eggs has been in the news, but the cause has largely been absent in mainstream media. A global pandemic of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), a form of bird flu (H5N1), has resulted in the deaths of over 43 million hens in the egg industry, causing a drop in the supply of eggs and higher prices for consumers. While industry and government officials are feverishly working on getting this outbreak under control, the more significant issue is that confining animals by the billions in cruel and stressful conditions exacerbates the spread of disease. The problem is getting worse, and agribusiness needs to stop distracting consumers with messages about high egg prices and be held accountable for its irresponsible conduct.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/01/why-are-eggs-so-expensive-because-an-avian-flu-killed-43-million-hens-last-year
So yea Anonymous the rising prices of bacon is because of the bird flu. The rising prices of heating oil is because of the bird flu. Once again you’ve laid an egg.
Anonymous, today it’s the big bad farmers and tomorrow it will be the big bad corporation. The day after tomorrow it will be the big bad conspiracy by the ones who disagree you because they must be all the same person. Estovir is really Bigfoot in disguise. Your one step over the deep end.
Estovir is ‘you’, Thinkthrough..
Plus James, Hullbobby, Upstate Farmer, Jaclyn Unafraid, N.N., Ralph Chappell, Monument Colorado, Margaret Ballhere, Mistress Addams, UpscaleSuburbanWoman, OldManFromKansas, etc, etc, etc.
This proves the brains have been removed from the Costco Chicken.
Yeah, Anonymous, the fact that all those names parrot the same phrases to echo talking points is sheer coincidence. ..Not..!
FYI, If there is another bird flu going around it most likely came out of one of the more then 340+ Illegal Bio-Chem Weapon Labs!
Everyone working/supporting/funding those illegal labs needs charged, arrested & tried. And there’s no time to wait/ph around.
What did you think those Evil b*astards were doing in those labs?
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FAUCI UNDER FIRE: British Scientist Given $1.88 Million Grant, $16.5 Million in NIH Funding After He Changed His Story and Came Out Publicly to Lie for Fauci About Origins of COVID
by Jim Hoft Mar. 1, 2023 1:10 pm105 Comments
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/after-his-call-with-fauci-british-scientist-given-1-88-million-grant-16-5-million-in-funding-after-he-changed-his-story-and-came-out-publicly-to-lie-for-fauci-about-origins-of-covid/
“. . . confining animals by the billions . . .”
Sure, let’s have free range chickens. Then eggs will be $20 a carton. If you can find any.
I don’t think the Left grasps the value of mass production. Or it does, and it’s trying to destroy it.
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Back to the topic of Vitamin D. DM is reporting today that a UK study suggests that Vitamin D reduces your chances of getting, or postpones the onset of. dementia. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11807749/Taking-Vitamin-D-day-cut-chances-getting-dementia-study-claims.html That is good news for many of us. But I want to emphasize that I am not “endorsing” this study. I wouldn’t want to get sued by the makers of Vitamin C.
I’m often perplexed when serious academics, and Turley certainly qualifies, considers direct questions as “attacked.” Wasserman-Schultz was direct, her tone of voice business like, even though her assertions were silly. Considering her demeanor as ‘attacking’ waters down the language.
Any criticism or ridicule is deemed an “attack”. Conversely Turley “attacks” a lot of people too.
NBC Footage Of Wray Testifying That Vote Fraud By Mail Is Rare
Was Wray credible in this testimony? It’s funny that Trumpers are suddenly Christopher Wray converts.
https://youtu.be/0irbM9ZIv5E
You tell me. Is he lying now? Whats the motivation?
Iowan, no one has to take sides on anything.
“Whats the motivation?”
Don’t reply to the batsh!t crazy troll. He usually disappears after he runs out of crystal meth.
St**ge, how hip is meth?? And ‘who’ has time to respond to all your puppets?
Jon Stewart Embraces Lab Leak Theory As Colbert FREAKS OUT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QynoJjm2lU
Warning: Some adult language issues with Dore.
He thought it was possible just as I do. However he isn’t sure that it’s actually true like everyone else. Jimmy Dore is insinuating a lot about what Colbert is doing without recognizing that it’s not what Colbert is actually doing. It’s hilarious how Dore is making all kinds of assumptions based on 5 seconds of video when he pauses to insinuate a plethora of things. What’s even funnier is Jimmy is using this as an opportunity to air his grievances about Colbert. He keeps saying Colbert was trying to cut the legs off Stewart’s comedic bit? Clearly Jimmy doesn’t get it. Stewart is also being satirical, but serious at the same time. Colbert knows it. Good grief.
Jon Stewart recalls outrage after he backed COVID-19 lab leak theory: ‘F–k you, I’m done’
“My bigger problem with that was, I thought it was a pretty good bit that expressed kind of how I felt, and the two things that came out of it were, I’m racist against Asian people, and how dare I align myself with the alt-right.”
Jon Stewart
https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/jon-stewart-recalls-outrage-after-he-backed-covid-19-lab-leak-theory-f-k-you-im-done/
Colbert saw that backlash coming. And didn’t want to be associated with it in any way.
Which is why he behaved exactly as Jimmy Dore said he behaved.
Lol! No, that’s not what happened. Jimmy is clearly making a lot of assumptions that were not in evidence in front of him. He was making a lot of claims on 5 seconds worth of video footage every time he paused to comment.
Stewart was not immune from those on the left who are equally as stupid as those on the right. Both sides have their idiots. He didn’t back the theory. He believed it was plausible. There’s a distinction.
Stewart is not immune. He just doesn’t care if he offends idiots on the left OR the right.
Colbert, by contrast, is find with offending idiots on the right. Otherwise, he gets nervous, as he was during this segment and as Jimmy Dore correctly points out.
He wasn’t nervous. Lol! It’s pretty obvious you were taking cues from Jimmy’s “take” on the interview.
No way Svelaz, you have never written that you thought that the lab leak was plausible. Since Trump said it could have been a lab leak you have marched right along with the MSM saying that there was no way it was a lab leak. Now you say it’s plauuwsable. What a joke.
TiT,
He is a joke.
And not a very good one.
He gets owned by you and others every single time.
It is like a six year old, fighting against a grown adult. The grown adult and those around him watch on with amusement or some with pity as the six year old swings and misses and yet he thinks he is winning.
What a pathetic excuse for a man.
Svelaz gets a sexual charge from exposing himself to so many different people. (exposing his ignorance) With so many posts today his heart must be beating like crazy.
S. Meyer must be getting desperate for attention. He’s already going into perversion fantasies. Yikes!
When it comes to perversions, Svalez’s numbers are off the chart. You demonstrate your perversions all the time. That is a reason for people not wanting you near schools.
Allan / S. Meyer’s daily insults, example #1011.
Anonymous the Stupid, you are going backward. I think we are up to #1013.
Tit,
“No way Svelaz, you have never written that you thought that the lab leak was plausible.”
LOL! You have no idea what I have written years ago. I do.
Clearly you’re very confused.
“Wray Confirms that FBI Accepted Lab Theory as Likely ‘For Quite Some Time Now'”
– Professor Turley
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Correction:
“Wray Confirms that FBI Concealed Lab Theory as Likely ‘For Quite Some Time Now'”
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The globalist, communist, American Deep Deep State “Swamp,” a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party, ordered AGs Barr and Garland to order Wray to utterly suppress all activity which factually reveals that Wuhan is the locus of origin of “China Flu, 2019.”
OT
It’s 2023 – Do You Know Where Your Children Are, America?
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“RABBI AND LABOR LEADER GET MARRIED”
Teachers’ union leader Randi Weingarten and rabbi at New York’s largest LGBT-friendly synagogue tie the knot
By JTA 27 March 2018, 8:11 am
Randi Weingarten, who heads the national union for teachers, and Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum of New York’s leading synagogue for LGBT Jews were married in New York.
– The Times of Israel
https://youtu.be/3BNsuf8Qe0c
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/03/01/7772881867686723145/640x360_MP4_7772881867686723145.mp4
From June Of Last Year:
Turley Questioned Wray’s Credibility
Legal scholar Johnathan Turley criticized FBI Director Christopher Wray for calling the Jan. 6 riot “domestic terrorism” in a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday.
“I believe that Director Wray’s characterization of the riot as domestic terrorism is overbroad and unsustainable,” said Turley. Wray called the Jan. 6 protest at the U.S. Capitol, where some participants broke through police barriers and destroyed federal property, an act of “domestic terrorism,” in March 2021.
None of the protestors committed acts meeting the legal definition of terrorism, Turley claimed.
“It does not belittle the horrible actions on that day to call them criminal rather than terroristic acts,” said Turley. “As legally defined, I do not believe that the riot was an act of domestic terrorism and believe that such a sweeping characterization could be used against a host of groups across the political spectrum.”
Turley made his remarks during a hearing “Examining the ‘Metastasizing Domestic Terrorism Threat After the Buffalo Attack.” It addressed the “expansion of domestic terrorism investigations,” according to a statement published on Turley’s personal website.
https://dailycaller.com/2022/06/08/jonathan-turley-christopher-wray-domestic-terrorism-january-6th/
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Professor Turley didn’t think January 6th was an instance of domestic terrorism (despite extensive evidence of coordination). Therefore he thoughts Christopher Wray was less than credible. But ‘now’ Wray is spot on, having lent credence to favored rightwing conspiracy.
The evidence of “corrordination” is complete garbage.
Regardless, “coordination does not make a protest into a terrorist attack.
As we are now learning the Violence was started by the Capitol police.
Not through malice, but incompetence.
First they accidentally tear gassed themselves, then they tear gassed a peaceful crowd,
With the result being that they completely lost control.
When you randomly lob tear gas into a peaceful crowd of thousands of people the result is anarchy – exactly as expected.
The “evidence” is that thousands of people “conspired” to come to DC in the hopes that a show of numbers and support would disuade republicans in congress from certifying a dubious election.
Subsequently we have learned that about the only thing that Democrats likely did NOT do to steal an election is rig voting machines.
Going lawless, taking over election administration, engaging in mass censorship of the opposition. Coordinating that censorship with those in Government, mass ballot harvesting. This is all acceptable conduct according to those on the left – you can cheat all you want – so long as you do not get caught jiggering with the voting machines.
I would ask you – given that I am hard pressed to think of any significant issue in the past decade that those of you on the left have been correct about. Why should you be believed regarding J6 ? or the election ?
Please can you think of something – ANYTHING of consequence, that you have been demonstrably correct about ?
How many times can you cry wolf – before no one beleives you anymore ?
John Say, Trump Lost the Popular Vote in 2016 by a significant margin. And during Trump’s presidency, his approval rarely rose above 43%. What’s more, every poll taken during 2020 showed Trump losing to Biden. Trump proceeded to lose every court case regarding his election claims.
So this notion that Trump easily beat Biden is based on thin air.
“You do not win the superbowl by having the Trump Lost the Popular Vote in 2016 by a significant margin.”
Not relevant. You do not win the superbowl by having the greatest time of possession.
You can not use a metric that has nothing to do with the actual election outcome – because neither Trump nor Clinton were supposed to be trying to win the popular vote.
There is actually significant evidence that Clinton lost because she WAS trying to win the popular vote – she spent a great deal of time campaigning in CA – where she was going to win regardless.
“And during Trump’s presidency, his approval rarely rose above 43%.”
There is very little difference between Trump’s approval as president and Biden’s thus far – in fact head to head Trump is often running ahead – and that despite that Trump had the most hostile Media of any president, and Biden has the most favorable (so far) of any president.
“What’s more, every poll taken during 2020 showed Trump losing to Biden.”
False – many polls in early 2020 had Trump leading by 10pts.
Trump did not “fall behind” in most polls until Covid kicked off.
Finally – inarguably the election of 2020 and the Polls were several points out of wack – the Polls favored Biden, more than the actual electorate. This was one of the problems in 2022. Most polls corrected for the 2016, 2018, 2020 over estimate of democrats. This is why there was a predition of a Red Wave – even a Tsunami, that turned into a Fizzle.
In 2022 for the first time in 4 cycles the polls were pretty close to correct.
You do not just get to make things up.
Even today polls have Trump leading Biden.
“Trump proceeded to lose every court case regarding his election claims.”
Again completely meaningless – or actually DAMNING to YOU.,
Proving Trump lost the election is actually trivial – if you are correct.
ACTUALLY let the sun light in.
Audit the election. Investigate the claims.
Do not game the rules, do not conduct the election lawlessly,
Do not engage in censorship.
Do not use the Government to censor your political opponents.
You rant about J6 being an insurection – what is it when the alpjhabet agencies of the federal govenrment are actively coercing social media to censor TRUE stories favorable to the sitting president ?
If it was during a war – the constitution calls is TREASON.
“So this notion that Trump easily beat Biden is based on thin air.”
Nope,
You sprayed a bunch of claims, They all fell apart.
Putin, Casto, Maduro, Raisi, all win elections by landslides.
Do you beleive those elections ?
When you CHEAT, When you thwart transparency.
When people can not trivially tell that election results are trustworthy,
You are not entitled to claim ANYTHING about the outcome.
That is the price you pay for conducting untrustworthy elections.
The 2020 election came down to a total of just under 45,000 votes in 3 states.
WE KNOW the probable minimum Fraud rate in GA – the GBI conducted a random audit of Cobb County Mailin ballot signatures. Cobb County is a large afluent democratic country that went for Biden heavily and where fraud is highly unlikely.
The GBI found that 6% of the random sample of mailin ballots did not come close to meeting GA’s signature verification law.
But worse than that 0.6% were Fraudulent.
The GBI audit is not absolute proof – but it SHOULD have required a much larger audit.
Raffensburger had promised a random audit of Fulton county – which is where all the shenanigans occured.
But that never happened. And after the GBI random audit of Cobb County – massive and successful efforts were made to thwart further inquiry.
There was LIKELY a minmum or 0.6% fraud in GA, That BTW is a reasonable figure for ALL mailin voting based on existing historical data – from states that have been doing mailin voting for years. I would further note that the 6% signature match failure is ALSO fully consistent with historical results from states that have been conducting mailin elections for years.
But Democrats panicked in 2020 when A Newark Democratic Primary had over 25% of mailin ballots tossed by a judge,
The democratic legal machine went into high gear to obliterate signature matching in swing states.
The reality is that Mailin voting is just an abysmally bad idea. No sane country anywhere in the world does it.
No other country did it in 2020 despite covid – and of course the evidence – that nearly everyone knows now, but was well known by the experts you fawn over is that there was ZERO reason for govenrment to do anything regarding Covid – especially F#$K up our elections.
Again just more reasons those on the left are completely untrustworthy..
Fauxi and all the other “experts” that you used to censor the crap out of everyone, to take over everyone’s lives, to detroy our laws, to ruin education, just to generally F#$K up – they are all back pedalling now on pretty much everything. Often denying that they EVER said he things that resulted in mass censorship, and mass destruction of our rights and laws.
But the actual EVIDENCE is not merely were the “disenters” right from the very start – but that the “experts” KNEW that all along.
You and your ilk are thoroughly dishonest.
The very things you claim as evidence that Biden won are PROOF of your own misconduct.
You say 60 courts tossed Trump’s claims – what many of the rest of us see is that 60 courts were so terrified of what the Truth might be that they REFUSED to allow any light, any inquiry, any examination of the election.
Better for Trump to lose than to expose large scale fraud.
We are seeing much of the same thing that occured with the investigation of the Kennedy assassination.
The Courts MUST prohibt inquiry – because even the exposure of the large scale problems that we all know where present would result in massive political unrest.
You got some of that anyway.
How much worse do you think J6 would be if Trump voters knew in Jan 2021, what they knew about massive illega ballot harvesting a year later ?
I have only addressed GA above, And only small facets of the problems in GA – A separate post election lawsuit that again the courts eventually tanked part way through discovery – on manufactured “standing” grounds rather than evidentiary grounds, uncovered hundreds of instances of duplicate ballot scans in Fulton county and that was after getting through barely 1% of Fulton county ballot images.
Trump lost AZ by about 11,000 votes – the SMALLEST serious error that Cyber Ninja’s found in AZ was just under 50,000 ballots counted from just over 13,000 voters. There are numerous possible causes for this. Most are Fraud. But ALL skewed the election.
PA Has never reconcilled the number of voters in 2020 (or any other election) with the number of ballots – PA always has hundreds of thousands more ballots than voters – and this error is ALWAYS in Philadelphia.
There is not a swing state in 2020 that does not have missing chain of custody on hundreds of thousands of ballots.
In WI the WI Supreme court has TWICE declared unattended ballot boxes a violation of the WI constitution.
Unfortunately they are also unwilling to throw out the hundreds of thousands of ballots that were illegally counted from unattended drop boxes.
The states with the greatest experience with Mailin votining – which have the lowest incident of Fraud and error,
and vote exclusively by mail, and have excellent mailin voting processes – Those states – have sufficient problems that their elections should not ever be trusted for any election where the winner does not get 51% atleast of the vote.
In otherwords the very best mailin voting is not good enough for a close election.
Not a close presidential election – not a close election for dog catcher.
The normal error rate – not Fraud rate, just error rate for well conducted mailin voting is just too high to be trust worthy.
BTW none of my views on Mailin voting are controversial – or atleast the were not until 2020 when left wing nuts saw mailin voting as a way to game the election.
Prior to 2020 nearly every single leading democrats is on record condemning the problems with mailin voting.
There are studies and reports in the US and accross the world.
There is absolutely no way to protect mailin voting from fraud – worse, from large scale orgainized fraud that may only require a small number of people to commit. that is the absolutely worst possible situation for election.
Nor am I some johnny come lately to this.
I have been fighting for election integrity since the disasterous 2000 Bush V. Gore election.
It was self evident – I would hope to everyone, that we needed to do better after that election.
Bush passed the HAV – Helping america Vote bipartisan legislation – that was a NEW disaster.
That introduced electronic voting terminals that we unfortunately have only MOSTLY been able to get rid of after 2 decades.
I have been fighting against the use of open loop black boxes in elections for decades.
The most critical part of elections is the First tier ballot handling. Everything from delivering a ballot to a voter through to the First count of ballots. Once first tier tallies are published subsequent fraud is fruitless. You can jigger with tallies after that but the press will catch errors in accumulating totals from machines and passing them up the line.
The FACT that the press (and anyone willing to go to sufficient effort) can independently validate totals rolling up to the DOS means the system i closed loop – that errors will be detected, reported and corrected.
But our first tier vote collection and counting is NOT Closed loop. that means it should not be trusted and is susceptable to fraud and even just error.
In Windham NH in 2020, An audit there found that DVS equipment had a several hundred vote error in a House of Representatives race. Not Fraud – just error – why ? Because the equipment miscounted – and always in the same way, a significant percent of ballots that had a fold line through that race. This was a KNOW problem with that DVS equipment – and possibly ALL DVS equipment, but it was never a problem before 2020 because normal ballots are not folded, but in 2020 all mailin ballots have 2 folds. In Windham this did not change the result – the Republican candidate still won – but by 400 more votes than the original count. What is disturbing is that 85% of NH uses the same equipement and no other county checked for the same problem – despite the fact that it is near certain throughout NH and probably throughout the country.
And that was just an innocent error. Turley has noted that error in elections is normal and usually not a problem.
All audits and recounts found error. But innocent error is presumed to be neutral, and as Turley has noted – errors tend to cancel each other out. But as the Windham results point out – MOST error is neutral – All error is not.
Further When we see large amounts of “error” and that error all goes one way – it is highly likely there is FRAUD – not error.
Voting terminals – are black boxes. And there is no possible closed loop means to verify them.
Fortunately by 2020 MOST voting terminals were gone.
But the scanners used to scan and tabulate votes are also black boxes. We have the means to impliment closed loop verification of Tabulators – Random audits work fine. GA was supposed to have a random audit in 2020, But Raffensburger cut it out of the election budget. Everywhere in this country that scans and tabulates ballots should be absolutely required to impliment a random audit process for every election. And any errors outside the National Standards specified error rates should trigger a full audit.
Or we could just get rid of vote scanners. France votes in person, with paper ballots, and counts them entirely by hand in public and does the entire nation in a few hours. that is by far the most trustworthy means to count an election.
A democrat election security expert testifying before the AZ senate recently indicated that he could rig ANY tabulator with 20 lines of code.
We do know – as a result of the cyber ninja’s audit that the AZ tabulators were not hacked – though we also know that every single one of them was easily hacked in less than 15 minutes by a mere script kiddee (amature hacker).
Again the best solution is to get rid of tabulators and count ballots by hand in public.
Another major election flaw – evident in the 2020 (and other) elections is centralized counting.
If you want trust in results you count ballots in small batches at precinct level and you report them publicly.
This radically reduces chain of custody issues, as well as oportunities for large scale fraud – and is again one of the problems with mailin voting. With mailin voting ballots are not handled exclusively in small precincts where large scale fraud is completely impossible. They are mailed and collected by the hundreds of thousands and then counted by the hundreds of thousands, and you have massive numbers of people repeatedly handling and moving massive numbers of ballots.
You have the optimal conditions for numerous forms of large scale fraud. From end to end mailin voting has inumerable single points of large scale failure and oportunity for fraud that can not be foreclosed.
As DEMOCRATS pointed out repeatedly prior to 2020 – you can not conduct a secure election mail.
We had the mess we have just created in the 19th century – and we had massive fraud as a result.
We have vote buying, we had ballot harvesting on the scale of millions.,
The fraud we had then resulted in 38 states adding secret ballot constitutional requirements to their state constitutions. . an
There are 4 requirements for a secret ballot
1) official ballot being printed at public expense,
2) on which the names of the nominated candidates of all parties and all proposals appear,
3) being distributed only at the polling place and
4) being marked in secret.
These can not be met by mailin voting.
I would note that much of the world votes by secret ballot.
If you are actually correct and there was not significant fraud in 2020 – and the evidence says otherwise.
I have not even touched the surface of the ACTUAL evidence of 2020 election fraud, then the only question is WHEN will massive fraud occur.
WE can not conduct our elections as we do now without eventually having massive election fraud – if we have not already.
Months before Fox News, HBO aired voting machine allegations in a documentary. It wasn’t sued
“A 2020 HBO documentary highlighted allegations that Dominion voting equipment is vulnerable to hacking.”
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/dominion-sues-fox-news-over-2020-election-voting-machine-claims-not-hbo
Upstate: Very good. -And I am not sure of this, but I was thinking I had seen/read somewhere that some documentation had been submitted into evidence by Defendant Fox showing emails from Dominion’s people complaining internally about all the quirks/faults/errors/hack-able susceptibilities in their own systems/equipment?
(although, methinks, if there WERE any “quirks/faults/errors/hack-able susceptibilities in their own systems/equipment,” it would point back to an internal (Dominion-related) actor or knowledge.)
Lin,
That is correct.
You can find it here: https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/dominion-employee-admits-fox-news-lawsuit-machines-have-bug-causing-incorrect
Only Democrats call that a ‘feature’, not a flaw.
This whole lawsuit is complete nonsense.
DVS is involved in elections. The key people in DVS involved have made very stupid public claims – including publicly claiming they would make sure Trump did not win. They have made themselves public figures.
The standard for defamation in this case would be:
Demonstrably false AT THE TIME claims would have had to have been made by FOX not guests, as part of Straight news, now oppion shows, fox would have to have known they were false and acted with malice.
That is probably not all the criteria that must be met.
This lawsuit is stupid. If it is not settled – just to make it go away – which is likely – Neither FOX nor DVS can afford to lose.
And DVS is near certain to lose on appeal if they do not lose at trial.
If Maddow calling OAN “litterally russian paid for propoganda” – a remark she KNEW to be false at the time is not defamation, there is absolutely no way that DVS wins this.
And that is how it should be.
I can not think of an instance in which a claim of defamation by a public figure EVER prevailed.
One of the things we forget about NY Times vs Sullivan is that it was a 5-4 Decision – 4 justices like Douglass wanted to go Farther – and just eliminate defamation of public figures entirely.
We protect private individuals who did not chose to bring themselves to public attention – such as Nick Sandman.
Not for companies that are a part of our elections.
A win for DVS would devastate election integrity – even public integrety more broadly.
It would mean that government actors could shield government from public criticism, by contracting with private actors.
We would not be allowed to criticise private prisons in the way we could public ones.
Local government could contract with private police – who would be protected by defamation laws in ways that the government police would not.
DVS is inarguably a government actor and is entitled to no more protection from criticism as government is.
In any election – we only know the winner and loser when the election is conducted transparently in a fashion that citizens can trust.
We have not been doing that for a long time. In 2020 we made that much worse.
Today there is no good reason to trust any close election anywhere in the US.
There is strong evidence that there as significant fraud in the Newsome recall election.
There was no stink over that clear evidence of fraud because Newsome’s margin of victory was far larger than any plausible fraud.
We do not have significant questions about fraud in most elections throughout the US – because most elections are won by 10-20% of the vote.
But we still have lots of close elections – and that is self evidently becoming a larger problem.
The good news for Republicans in 2022 is that while they did not do nearly as well as expected overall – there were myraids of races that they had never before been competitive in that they were atleast in the game.
There are a large number of blue states that democrats won in 2022, that republicans did 5-10% better than they had in decades. a number of unexpected dark blue states are light blue trending to purple.
Overtime – Democrats are likely to retake GA and a few other southern states with large democratic urban centers.
At the same time Republicans are eventually going to take the entire rust belt – except illinois, as well as Nevada.
More interesting was that states like Oregon, and Washington may be in play sometime in the next decade.
“Why should you be believed regarding J6 ? or the election ?”
Because we have evidence that Fox News was lying to you all along. Their CEO, their most popular TV personalities knowingly lied about election fraud claims. They knew the claims were not true and didn’t buy into what Trump was peddling.
Countless audits, recounts, investigations, grand jury findings , Arizona AG sitting on reports showing no voter fraud, and now Fox News knowingly lying about it because they valued their image and stock prices more than the truth.
You have been lied to all this time. Your evidence supporting your arguments against the left were based on pure BS. The left has been demonstrably proven correct.
Fox News was lying all this time. They even helped trump cheat by providing the content of democrats ads before they aired. The evidence is overwhelming.
“How many times can you cry wolf – before no one beleives you anymore ?”
It seems Fox News was the one crying wolf all this time.
First the evidence is NOT that Fox news was lying.
But more important that that – it does not Matter whether Fox was lying or not.
You are constantly spewing this absolutely idiocy that Truth is determined by what people say.
Truth is determined by FACTS, logic and Reason.
And CONSTANTLY YOU are on the wrong side of all of those.
We are well past where you could be wrong in good faith – we all are wrong on occasion.
So you are not only WRONG, but you are either knowingly wrong – lying or you are willfully blind.
You have repeatedly defended censorship.
Censoring “misinformation” is WRONG. But that is not what occured and not what you are defending,
You have defended censoring TRUTH.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
One of the reasons that you so vigorously defend censorship – is because the censors are preventing others from seeing YOUR errors.
Need I list the many things you have been wrong about ?
Is there any consequential claim that you have made that is demonstrably true ? One ? Just One ?
What I am addressing is called TRUST.
It does not matter if you are on the left or the right or on the moon.
Either we check every single claim that you make – as I do much of the time with you.
Or we decide whether to accept what you claim based on your past track record.
So what is your track record ?
Constant error, defending censorship of the truth, and holding on to falsehoods long past any plausible ability to continue to beleive.
Not a foundation for trust.
So No, I do not take anything you say as likely true.
In fact I presume that you KNOW that most of what you say is nonsense and that all are doing is trying to use falsehoods t gain political power.
As another poster noted – Code-Pink protested in the Capitol a day or so ago. Aparently they beleive that speeking the truth about the origens of Covid will result in discrimination against asian americans.
It may do that. The fact that the truth sometimes results in a few people doing stupid things, does not alter the fact that we are free to speak. We are free to speak falsehoods – as you do constantly – regardless of the consequences.
We are certainly always free to speak the truth.
If some people direct violence towards asians as a result of hearing the truth about the origens of covid.
Then prosecute those people for that violence.
Regardless, House republicans allowed these protests, they opened the Capitol – as it MUST always be. They removed the metal detectors. And they are conducting the business of government – the peoples business in public, protecting and respecting the right of people to protest, to speak out against them, to wish ill on the, even to attempt to disrupt.
Republicans have allowed democrats to choose their own members for these select investigative committees.
They allow them to speak their mind in hearings. Republicans have followed the normal order of the house for 250 years.
Not the repressive censorious nonsense that Democrats have been engaged in for several years.
If th code pink protestors violated the law – they should be arrested, and given the oportunity to post bond.
And if past norms – not those of left wing nuts in response to J6 protests, when they are arraigned charges will be dropped and bail returned.
Because this is the US – and there is a right to free speech, protest, assembly, and petition the government here.
And that right is respected by republicans – even when exercised by batschiff lying democrats.
But those of you on the left do NOT do the same. You do not value the core principles that make this nation great – exceptional.
There is a few differences between the Code-Pink protestors and the Proud Boys and Oath keepers.
The Code-Pink protestors
are a tiny fringe.
were not jailed for years over politics.
Are not being charged with sedition for “conspiring and coordinating” to come to the Capitol and protest.
I would further note that not only has one of the Kavanaugh accuses retracted her story – so far as to now claim that she NEVER met Kavaugh, but also has said that she “conspired and coordinated” with Democrat members of the Senate.
Should we be trying democratic senators and their staff for Sedition ? After all they conspired and coordinated to influence the legitimate actions of the Senate.
It is fine that you actually beleive and defend idiotic democratic policies.
What is not accpetable is not just yours, but your entire ideologies massive hypocracy.
Code-pink protestors are hero’s. Proud Boys are criminal seditionists.
Need I point out that Code-pink was engaged in violence in DC in January 2017 in opposition to the certification of Trump’s election and his inauguration.
You have no standards acceot double standards.
You are not honest,
You are not trustworthy.
“First the evidence is NOT that Fox news was lying.
But more important that that – it does not Matter whether Fox was lying or not.”
John B. Say, your long winded diatribe speaks volumes about your predicament. Your arguments relied heavily on what Fox News was “reporting”. All your arguments regarding voter fraud were direct narratives from Fox News. Now that we know they were deliberately lying and keeping the truth from their viewers including you any arguments being made about election fraud are worthless.
It matters a lot that Fox News was lying right to your face. You were taken for a ride John. A LOT of fox news viewers were taken for fools. They literally helped trump cheat and promote his lying when they knew his claims were false and misleading.
Your desperation is noteworthy. Especially when you keep making these really bad false equivalencies.
It’s ironic that you talk about TRUST and completely ignore the fact that Fox News obliterated any semblance of trust in what they say. YOU of all people should be calling for holding them accountable for lying to you and making you and a whole lot of republicans like a bunch of gullible fools.
Clearly you’re lashing out and spewing long winded diatribes that are offshoots of the lies Fox News has been telling everyone for the past couple of years. Clearly it discredits all those voter fraud claims and assertions that they are “just reporting the facts” when in fact they were deliberately lying for fear of losing viewers and tarnishing their brand. They don’t care about the truth. They care about their bottom line and keeping stupid trump supporters satiated with the constant lying to maintain market share.
You have been more dishonest about everything than anyone else here. When faced with reality you deflect, obfuscate, offer false equivalencies, and become a willful ignorant by choice. That’s who libertarians are, that’s why their policy ideas have never been successful.
“John B. Say, your long winded diatribe speaks volumes about your predicament.”
series of non-sequiturs.
“Your arguments relied heavily on what Fox News was “reporting”.”
Of course they do, this whole lawsuit is about what fox news was reporting.
“All your arguments regarding voter fraud were direct narratives from Fox News.”
Nope, I do not follow fox much. Regardless, Fox did very little reporting on Voter Fraud prior to J6 and almost none since.
And they were critical from the start of the DVS claim.
“Now that we know they were deliberately lying and keeping the truth from their viewers including you any arguments being made about election fraud are worthless.”
You keep repeating that as if it is True. But it is completely false. Tucker Carlson handed Sydney Powell her as on air,
And others hosts refused to have her on. This lawsuit is about a specific election fraud claim – not all election fraud claims.
Dominion does not give a Schiff about any election claims that have nothing to do with their equipment, and regardless if a judge allowed Anything that was not directly elated to DVS into the lawsuit that would be reversable error that would end the lawsuit. Dominon does not want that.
All you have proved is that Fox’s behind the scenes comments on the DVS matter where the same as their on the air positions – skeptical.
“It matters a lot that Fox News was lying right to your face.”
Then you would be able to cite Fox news – not its guests, making claims regarding DVS that have subsequently been proven false. But you can not.
This is what you typically do. You CLAIM things about those on the right – usually that they said something they did not.
You infer from what they actually said things radically different from what they did say.
And then you pretend that your made up narative is somehow meaningful in some way.
Your FIRST problem in debating this with me is that I get very little from Fox. My sources are almost exclusively independent journalists – and then I insist on Actual FACTS – not merely what they say.
I have noted that I trust John Solomon. But I mostly do not pay much attention to what John SAYS,
I read the documents he provides – like the emails from Hunter Biden to the US state department, or to the Ukrainining special prosecutor – or primary sources.
I have read as an example the Cyber Ninja’s report on the Maricopa County audit.
While that report should torpeodo DVS’s stock – inarguably their systems are trivial to hack. At the same time it proves that DVS equipment did not improperly tabulate the ballots in Maricopa county in 2020. that does not tell us that those ballots are legitimate – that is addressed elsewhere and has nothing to do with DVS. DVS does not get to decide what ballots to scan and no one not even Sydney Powell has claimed that DVS injected fraudulent ballots into the election.
Only that they counted the ballots in a fraudulent way. That was always a highly improbable claim.
Unlike you I am actually capable of judging probabiliies – even when the results are different that what I want.
It has still not been absolutely proven that DVS did not rig the election. It is possible that while Not true in Antrim, Windham or Maricopa counties, that DVS equipment did jigger the counts in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, …
But AGAIN – that is not likely.
But unlike you I do not spray nonsense – like claiming something is proven false when it has not been or proven true when it has no been.
The odds that DVS rigged the election are low, They were always low. We did not do sufficient investigation to completely rule that out, and public remarks by DVS executives – if nothing else does, ultimately will tank this lawsuit.
DVS may not have rigged the election – but they made public remarks that essentially say they did.
You can not defame someone by repeating their own claims.
“You were taken for a ride John.”
By who ?
“A LOT of fox news viewers were taken for fools. They literally helped trump cheat and promote his lying when they knew his claims were false and misleading.”
You keep making this about Fox. I am defending a very narrow and specific thing regarding Fox – aside from the fact that this lawsuit is frivoluous an stupid. We should never allow a defamation claim about actions either conducted by government or for government. DVS is a government contractor in elections – they should have zero protection from defamation in that domain PERIOD.
But specific to the recent news. All you have is that Fox privately said the same things regarding Powell and DVS that they did publicly. Absolutely Tucker had Powell on her show, where he was openly skeptical of her claims.
You can try to claim that some people might have been duped by Powell, but the claim they were duped by Fox is stupid.
The more important question is why wasn;’t Powell allowed on CNN ? And if her claim was so absurd why wasn’t CNN investigating ?
Many of the election fraud claims – particularly this one are easy to test. Send a reporter out to various places with test batches of ballots and scan them and check the tabulations. But that was never done. The media did not do that.
And the courts did not order it. DVS could have put this to bed quickly by arranging that themselves.
“Your desperation is noteworthy. Especially when you keep making these really bad false equivalencies.
It’s ironic that you talk about TRUST and completely ignore the fact that Fox News obliterated any semblance of trust in what they say. YOU of all people should be calling for holding them accountable for lying to you and making you and a whole lot of republicans like a bunch of gullible fools.”
So we have a long tangential rant that has nothing to do with the issues and is all claims that a bunch of people who have been neaer universally right about pretty much all Trump issues, and about Covid issues an about Biden issues.
Are all somehow gullible dupes because they do not trust the 2020 election – something that has innumerable problems.
Sorry Svelaz – they only Gullible person here is YOU.
Fox is not my source for almost anything. I am not a regular viewer.
I rarely view TV media of any kind. My sources are almost exclusively independent journalists and even their I rely on he primary sources they provide – NOT the reports they file.
I rarely argue with you about media reports – except to note as in this case that you are misrepresenting them.
Whether you like it or not ordinary people can grasp the difference between:
Fox is privately skeptical about DVS claims.
Fox is publicly skeptical about DVS claims,
and Fox knew the election was not rigged.
The election was free from fraud.
The first two being provably true and what is being actually reported – absent spin, and the last two independent and false.
Those Guilible people you keep insulting have been right about pretty much everything.
And you have been wrongf about pretty much everything.
Why should anyone buy your mangled narative on this issue ?
Fox did not lie to me – I pay little attention to Fox.
Regardless I do not beleive what anyone says just because they have said something.
You are the one who is entirely fixated on what people have said rather than the FACTs.
“Clearly you’re lashing out and spewing long winded diatribes that are offshoots of the lies Fox News has been telling everyone for the past couple of years. Clearly it discredits all those voter fraud claims and assertions that they are “just reporting the facts” when in fact they were deliberately lying for fear of losing viewers and tarnishing their brand. They don’t care about the truth. They care about their bottom line and keeping stupid trump supporters satiated with the constant lying to maintain market share.”
Again is there an argument in there anywhere ?
“If you have the law, hammer the law. If you have the facts, hammer the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, hammer the table”.
Your doing an awful lot of hammering the table.
This lawsuit is SPECIFIC to the claim that DVS tabulators rigged the election.
You are FIRST misrepresenting Fox on that specific issue, and then generalizing to the end of the earth from your false narrative on that to the idiotic claim that YOUR misrepresentation proves all kinds of things that are not at issue in this lawsuit.
You do not seem to grasp that All Trump has to do to win the election fraud argument is to prove error or fraud of just under 45,000 votes in 3 states. To a reasonable degree of certainty that has been more than met by SINGLE issuesin GA and AZ.
The GBI Cobb county random signature signature audit found an error rate of 6% – Trump lost GA by 0.25%,
That same audit found a fraud rate of 0.6% that is more than double the margin needed.
In AZ – Trump lost by 11,000 votes, The Cyber Ninja’s audit found that 13,000 people voted a total of almost 50,000 times.
More recently AZ Senate testimony under oath found that more than 10,000 mailin ballots had no signatures at all.
Another 10,000 were Signed with Exactly the same “SS” Signature, atleast another 10,000 had signatures that could not possibly be the voters in question – such agregious errors as the signatures did not even start with the same letter as the voters first and last name. I beleive they found 50,000 votes from 2020 that would not have passed the lowest possible standard of signature matching.
Finally, the well known and documented error rate for mailin voting is about 6% – and from the start that has been what this was all about.
Democrats used Covid to leaverage Mailin voting in the hopes that would get them more votes.
But the Newark Democratic primary exposed the achilles heel of mailin voting – the courts through out 200,000 plus ballots for fraud and other problems – 25% of all ballots.
At that point Democrats were in deep schiff. Even if they could keep the error rate down to historical norms
they were NOT going to gain enough votes from a mailin election to overcome the fact that 6% of mailin ballots would fail signature matching or have other issues that would invalidate them.
Therefore it was and remains necescary to use every trick in the book – legal and otherwise to count ballots that should not be counted – or to lose badly.
Because it is self evident at this point that Republicans are not voting by mail, and democrats are.
The error rate on in person voting is very low, the problem is getting people to the polls.
The error rate on mailin voting is higher than the additional voters you pick up.
So mailin voting was actually a BAD idea – unless you can force counting of invalid ballots which means destroying laws to prevent election fraud and means also opening the oportunity for Fraud.
What remains true through this moment is that most people – including atleast 37% of democrats grasp that Trump only needed to pick up about 44,000 votes to win in 2020.
It does not take much to accomplish that. Some of the smallest and most likely claims of fraud are sufficient.
That said 2020 illegal ballot harvesting was conservatively just under 1M ballots in 6 states.
Without it Trump likely would have won 5 of them.
“You have been more dishonest about everything than anyone else here. When faced with reality you deflect, obfuscate, offer false equivalencies, and become a willful ignorant by choice. That’s who libertarians are, that’s why their policy ideas have never been successful.”
About what ?
Disagreeing with your idiotic opinions have have no factual basis is not being dishonest.
Not treating your evidence free opinions as fact is not being dishonest.
“All you have proved is that Fox’s behind the scenes comments on the DVS matter where the same as their on the air positions – skeptical.”
LOL!!!
John, the behind the scenes comments were NOT the same opinions or positions on air. The filings from Dominion make your claim a lie. That’s why it’s all over the News except on Fox News. The filing is direct evidence of knowingly lying while knowing that they knew the claims were not true.
Every single claim of voter fraud you cite has been investigated, audited, hand counted, investigated again, courts dismissing cases because of lack of evidence, an AG sitting on a report that certified voter fraud did not occur, and now Fox News promoting false claims of voter fraud. All of that is I overwhelming evidence that your arguments on voter fraud have been debunked. You’re the Kari lake of this blog.
“John, the behind the scenes comments were NOT the same opinions or positions on air. The filings from Dominion make your claim a lie. That’s why it’s all over the News except on Fox News. The filing is direct evidence of knowingly lying while knowing that they knew the claims were not true.”
No it is not all over the news. It is all over the left. Like myriads of instances of spin substituting for facts that we have seen on the left over the past many years.
Like the constant – “the walls are closing in ” nonsense from the left.
This has all been SPIN substituting for Fact.
The DVS discovery is entirely about claims regarding DVS. Discovery is ALWAYS limited to the issues of the case at hand.
But if you wish to claim that some recent discovery revalation goes significantly beyond the Dominon claim – Present the evidence – the actual texts, memo’s emails, etc – not the media spin.
Mostly this is not important – because outside the DVS case itself it does not matter what Fox thought.
It does not matter what ANY third parties thought.
The legitimacy of my acts is not determined by what others think the truth is.
This is a constant stupid argument of yours.
You do not seem to think people are capable of thinking for themselves.
According to Svelaz everyone on the right is a Fox Zombie.
I really do not give a Schiff about Fox or what they thought of the election.
But I am enjoying shredding your False claims.
Because as always you give meaning o actual facts that is not there.
“Every single claim of voter fraud you cite has been investigated, audited, hand counted, investigated again, courts dismissing cases because of lack of evidence, an AG sitting on a report that certified voter fraud did not occur, and now Fox News promoting false claims of voter fraud. All of that is I overwhelming evidence that your arguments on voter fraud have been debunked. You’re the Kari lake of this blog”
Then you would have no trouble disproving even ONE of those claims specifically.
The FACT is that you are completely wrong.
As we have seen with the collusion delusion, with the Biden laptop, with myriads of facets of Covid,
All your arguments rest on TWO things – media spin and censorship.
Somewhere sometime someone in the media Said the nonsense you repeat, and then
massive effort was made to censor those pointing out that is all error,
and you pretend that because the voices of truth have been silenced – atleast temorarily
That somehow they have been disproven.
The collusion delusion was a hoax.
Hunter Biden’s laptop is real.
No public policy regarding Covid actually worked, and the very people who inflicted these on us, knew they would not work from the start.
Covid likely came from a lab leak,
And on an on.
As to your lake tangent – I do not recall raising any claim regarding lake in our current discussions.
Every single election related claim I stated is very solidly established – often by testimony under oath and by publicly available records.
I am not specifically interested in the Lake case at this moment – except to note one thing,
the 2022 election in AZ (and NV ) were total complete disasters.
If those are your idea of properly conducted elections that people can trust – you are a complete fool.
I am less familiar with the details in NV – except that a county that can count with incredibly precision hundred of millions of dollars every single night, that has chain of custody of every single one of them every single step of the process,
where people are fired, or even die, when something is off, can not manage to count less than 2M ballots in a week.
To count 2M ballots in one day requires counting 85,000 an hour, that is 1400/minute, that is 14/minute for 100 people,
or 1.4/minute for 1000 people.
In other words it was feasible for NV to count all the votes in one day BY HAND.
AZ is even worse. You can pretend to beleive whatever you want.
You can not credibly claim that those running the election did not F#$K up.
I would note that there are a long long list of indicators of Fraud in elections.
These are NOT new indicators, made up in th past couple of years.
They are well known indicators of fraud for over a century.
They are not absolute proof of fraud.
But you do not seem to grasp – that is not and never was the standard for elections.
For government to be legitimate – people mus trust whatever process put it in power.
In the US that is elections.
Either we trust election results – or the government is not legitimate.
It is that simple.
We have myriads of examples all over the world to show us what happens when people do not trust
the legitimacy of government – some like the collapse of the USSR are mostly peaceful.
Others such as the repeated public conflicts in Iran are violent.
Regardless they are all examples of what happens when government loses trust.
While I have provided lots of evidence of fraud in 2020.
In some cases absolute proof of fraud.
That is not the standard. Trust is.
And people increasingly do not trust our elections.
Because they are not stupid.
So some common indicators of fraud:
Lack of transparency.
Lack of chain of custody.
Great disparity in the time it takes to provide results.
Lots of problems
Lots of errors.
Large Discrepancy between polls and results – especially when polls are right elsewhere.
Failure to follow law.
Lots of court intervention.
Razor thin election victories.
Clear partisan differences in any of the politically neutral criteria above.
None of these (and others) are proof of fraud.
They are all reasons to look for Fraud,
And they are all reasons that those conducting elections MUST do better in the future.
And yet the evidence is that all of these indicators are getting worse not better.
Los Vegas must be scrupulous in counting money, because we KNOW without
bullet proof processes – someone will find a way to steal.
We KNOW that, and we KNOW that if things are not perfect – someone is likely trying to steal.
When their are discrepancies in the Count, the cassino’s do not shrug and say – errors are normal.
They go looking for the problem – and they expect and usually find someone stealing.
$6B was spent on the 2020 election – that is $40/vote for each of 150M voters.
Given that both parties can absolutely count on probably 80% of their vote,
that means that each party is spending 200-500/swing vote.
Like in the casinos – that is a tremendous incentive to cheat.
Zuckerberg alone spent $400M to alter the outcome of the election.
Nor does that $6B tell the real story – elections impact control of
trillions of dollars of spending. Who gets contracts.
Even people outside of the political parties have great incentive to try to influence the outcome of
and election – legally or otherwise.
I find is hillarious that a political ideology that beleives that but for the steely eye of government on
business continuously businesses would lie. cheat and steal from their own mother.
But miraculously when government money is involved – those same businesses
scrupulously follow the law.
No one doubts that if Los Vegas does not have its processes perfect – someone will find a creative way to steal.
But you beleive that the same incentives do no exist in elections ?
Your naive.
John B. Say: have you noticed how acerbic Svelaz and Gigi have become lately in their responses? That tells me all I need to know. Please keep up your posts (although I do not know how you hold all that in your head!)
I do not hold all that in my head.
As I have said repeatedly – Check the fact before you post when you are not 100% certain.
I would also note I am constantly reminded of the myriads of things I have forgotten.
That is almost the point regarding the left – if enough time passes – either we will accept the lies and incompetance as the new norm. OR we will forget 2/3 of the lies.
Do you remember that one of the lead FBI agents in Crossfire huricane plead guilty to ……
Colluding with Russia ?
Frequently repeated is the claim that Russia hacked the DNC emails.
Yet how many remember that Cloudstrike actually testified to the Senate that they did not actually know that.
And they did not know that the emails where “hacked” rather than leaked.
VIPS concluded they were leaked.
But in the relentless march of left wing nuttedness, each of these passes from our memory – replaced by some
new bogus left wing nut claim, and then the idiocy that Clinton was hacked by the Russians resurfaces again,
and we forget that was debunked.
“I Need New Conspiracy Theories – All My Other Ones Came True”
One of the clear proofs that the left is in deep trouble – is that they have no sense of humor.
Thank you
I have previously accused you of being dishonest – lying.
I have been very clear about what you are lying about.
You agree that you have said the things I have stated are lies – and you continue to say many of them.
Is there some dispute over that ?
Whether you are or have lied hinges on easily testable objective facts
There was no Collusion delusion.
The hunter Biden laptop is real.
The Government generally and FBI specifically engaged in censorship (and other) of the 2020 elections that supressed the truth as well as conservative and libertarian political voices.
Those are just a few of the many examples of your lying.
You continue to be dishonest about the case law on the ownership of ex-presidents documents as an example.
I have met the required burden of proof for the claim that you are dishonest – a liar, many many times over.
I do not revel in that claim. I have no wish to ever call anyone a liar.
I have given you years worth of benefit of the doubt.
All of the above does not address the FACT that the overwhelming majority of your opinions are garbage.
Sufficiently bad that they too are arguably lies too. But proving an opinion is a lie is much harder so I will leave that to the judgement of others. I have made my own regarding your remarks.
Now you are calling me “dishonest” – the burden of proof for claims of moral failure is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. Which is part of why we should always be reluctant to call other people liars. Yet you do so all the time.
Everyone you disagree with is a liar.
I try very hard not to attribute to malice or moral failure what can be explained by incompetence. And you are unarguably massively incompetent.
Regardless, I have reluctantly accused you or dishonesty – of lying – and I have made my case with FACTs, your words,
and for the most part the only disagreement is the obvious conclusion.
You are making a claim of moral failure on my part.
You owe me and everyone else the same proof I have provided regarding you.
Not disagreements, not instances where you think I am wrong.
But claims I have made that can be competely proven to be wrong, that I have continued to make long after they were proven false.
If you can not meet that high standard of proof – we are then dealing with a binary – the one instance in which proving someone is a moral failure a liar is trivial
That is when they falsely accuse another of moral failure.
There is no grey area when you accuse someone of dishonesty – something you do all the time.
Either you are right, or you are a moral failure – dishonest.
“I do not follow fox much. Regardless, Fox did very little reporting on Voter Fraud prior to J6 and almost none since.
And they were critical from the start of the DVS claim.”
LOL! No they weren’t. They were peddling Trump’s claims constantly. That’s why they got sued. The very reason Dominion sued is because Fox News kept going with a narrative they knew was false all along. Rupert Murdoch admitted in his deposition that they didn’t believe anything Trump was claiming, but intentionally chose to keep lying to their viewers including you.
“I have met the required burden of proof for the claim that you are dishonest – a liar, many many times over.
I do not revel in that claim. I have no wish to ever call anyone a liar.
I have given you years worth of benefit of the doubt.”
BS. You have not met any burden of proof. All you provide is speculation and talking points that have nothing to do with actual evidence. You ‘think’ you provide proof, but all you do is regurgitate the same evidence less talking points and speculation.
I have given you far more proof against your claims than you have. Actual case files, direct quotes from prosecutors, defendants, statutes, links to sources, etc. You rarely provide proof. You make a lot of claims without being able to back them up. When faced with an untenable argument you deflect or obfuscate rather than provide proof. Oftentimes it’s because your claims are simply BS. That’s why it’s easy to accuse you of being dishonest.
Your long winded responses full of nonsensical equivalencies and regurgitation of long debunked talking points are mere poor attempts masking lack of evidence. You’ve demonstrated multiple times a complete failure on understanding law and procedure. Yes John you’ve been dishonest and disingenuous a lot of times and no amounts of long winding diatribes will change that simple fact.
“LOL! No they weren’t. They were peddling Trump’s claims constantly.”
Lets see – you claim I am an avid Fox viewer and you of course never watch Fox,
At the same time you are arguing – I completely missed everything on Fox,
While – without watching any of it, you know exactly what was going on.
“That’s why they got sued. The very reason Dominion sued is because Fox News kept going with a narrative they knew was false all along.”
Dominion sued because their stock was headed into the toilet and they had to do something – anything to stem the collapse of stock values. The purpose of the law suit was NEVER to get lots of money from Fox, it was to convince shareholders that they were not in trouble.
This is also why it is highly likely this gets quietly settled in a sealed settlement.
DVS can not risk losing. That would clobber their stock.
Fox has a lower risk – but still would like to avoid losing.
My bet is a quiet settlement that both sides will paint as a win.
But should this go through the courts – if it makes it to Trial – which is a big if,
Fox will lose, and then win on appeal.
“Rupert Murdoch admitted in his deposition that they didn’t believe anything Trump was claiming, but intentionally chose to keep lying to their viewers including you.”
As usual – you tell us all what you beleive someone said or did – not what they actually did, when there is a real record and real facts.
and as usual you bend spindle fold and mutilate what the actually said to make it mean what you want.
It does not matter what he issues is – you do the same thing with your read of the law, the constitution, court opinions.
“You have not met any burden of proof.”
Of course I have.
“All you provide is speculation and talking points that have nothing to do with actual evidence.”
Projecting much ?
“You ‘think’ you provide proof, but all you do is regurgitate the same evidence less talking points and speculation.
I have given you far more proof against your claims than you have.”
LOL
“Actual case files, direct quotes from prosecutors, defendants, statutes, links to sources, etc.”
Very very rarely, and always spun. You also always fixate on what others say someone said – rather than what they said.
And to be clear a prosecutors remarks are not evidence – except when they are against their own interests.
The same is true of a defendant.
Statements under oat have more importance – especially when they are easily provable
You have proven yourself adept at reading into court opinions conclusions that either are not there or that
are not actual conclusions of law or findings of fact.
And your ability to twist statutes into a pretzel – on the rare occasions you cite them are legendary.
ABJ did NOT follow the PRA in NARA v JW – you have NEVER explained that.
You keep citing an excerpt from the PRA as if it is good law – desite clear constitutional problems,
and refuse to acknowledge that no court ever refers to that portion of the PRA – because it is unconstitutional.
“You rarely provide proof.”
What world do you live in ?
“You make a lot of claims without being able to back them up. When faced with an untenable argument you deflect or obfuscate rather than provide proof. Oftentimes it’s because your claims are simply BS. That’s why it’s easy to accuse you of being dishonest.”
Then you would have examples.
“Your long winded responses”
My responses tend to be long – because you make multiple errors in each sentence.
It takes alot of words and alot of work to refute each error one at a time.
“full of nonsensical equivalencies and regurgitation of long debunked talking points are mere poor attempts masking lack of evidence.”
Can you name ANYTHING that is purportedly a “debunked right wing conspiracy theory” that has actually been debunked ?
Th collusion delusion – nope.
Spying on Trump – nope,
The hunter Biden laptop – nope.
Covid came from a lab leak – nope.
Masks do not work – nope.
In fact is there a single “right wing ” claim regarding Covid that did not prove true ?
You have missused and over used “debunked right wing conspiracy theory” – so badly that the phrase is now a synonym for
TRUE things the left hates.
“You’ve demonstrated multiple times a complete failure on understanding law and procedure.”
Then you would be able to cite examples.
“Yes John you’ve been dishonest and disingenuous a lot of times and no amounts of long winding diatribes will change that simple fact.”
I You have claimed I have lied, I gave specific examples of lies of yours.
You have responded with “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
Specifics – pick something you can prove – with actual evidence – Facts,
Not there exists someone in the world who agrees with you.
So the short version of your diatribe is
“you lie, because I say so, because I claim to have done lots of things that I have not actually done”
You claim to have disproven my arguments.
I will bet that you can not even accurately state my arguments.
How can you disprove something if you can not even accurately restate what you are disproving ?
I offered a moral challenge to you.
But it really does not matter if you take it or not.
The issue is long ago decided.
You constantly make false claims and accusations.
You are a liar. No one ever should trust you.
If you had a single functioning neuron you would change your pen name because it is far beyond redeemable,
and if you return at all be far more careful in your remarks and accusations.
I spend alot of effort proving point by point the myriads of errors, and false assumptions in your remarks,
Only to have you repeat the same garbage over and over – as if it will become true if you post it enough times.
“I spend alot of effort proving point by point the myriads of errors, and false assumptions in your remarks,
Only to have you repeat the same garbage over and over – as if it will become true if you post it enough times.”
It’s ironic that you project into others exactly what you do while being oblivious of the fact. It’s a common theme with your arguments.
Hurling insults is all you have left. You’re just a more coherent version of S. Meyer that’s all.
“It’s ironic that you project into others exactly what you do while being oblivious of the fact. It’s a common theme with your arguments.
Hurling insults is all you have left. You’re just a more coherent version of S. Meyer that’s all.”
You keep repeating the same meaningless nonsense.
What am I projecting on to you ?
A significant portion of my claims regarding you, you openly admit.
Where have I misstated your position on an issue ?
While I constantly point out that you are WRONG.
I do not recall you EVER saying that I have inaccurately stated your position.
Absolutely I have “insulted” your positions.
Your positions are WRONG – both factually and morally.
They are Factually and Morally wrong as YOU describe them.
You can disagree with that conclusion – just as you can disagree with the conclusion that the earth orbits the sun.
Your disagreement does not alter the FACTS.
Everyone is aware that pointing out your factual and moral errors insults you.
Calling someone a liar is an insult.
It is also in your case a fact.
That facts insult you is your problem.
John, Svelaz is dishonest and immoral. He will not respond directly to what you say. He can’t. His mindset will not deal with fact, and as you see in his reply, all he says is you are wrong when it is obvious you are correct, and Svelaz is spewing junk. That is why I refuse to provide him with information. Instead, I provide him with proof that he lies by posting prior responses. He hates that.
Despite not being able to get Svelaz to debate point by point, you are providing everyone else answers to Svelaz’s imbecility. That is good. Keep up the excellent work.
Therefore he thoughts Christopher Wray was less than credible. But ‘now’ Wray is spot on, having lent credence to favored rightwing conspiracy.
Turley is analyzing Wray’s conclusions. Not Wray.
A sharp 10 year old can see the difference.
St**ge, when you’re not making Nazi references, you’re calling people ‘immature’. Easy to ID you!
I think you were responding to someone else.
That said – while I agree with you. Wray’s conclusions ARE at odds with his conduct as FBI director.
Wray is just another in a long line of public servants who while arguably not part of the far left, have not merely taken sides in political conflicts – but have used their power as public servants not to advance the policies of those they served, but to advance a specific political cause.
We need a massive cleanout of govenrment.
Best to end or severely restrict most of these agencies.
The problem goes beyond individuals.
While it is evident that the beneficiaries of this political corruption have been democrats and the left.
The real problem is the corruption – not who benefited.
“The evidence of “corrordination” is complete garbage.”
Nope.
“On Thursday, federal prosecutors in the seditious conspiracy trial of five members of the fascist Proud Boys militia group introduced evidence indicating that the leadership of the Proud Boys was coordinating with Donald Trump’s campaign immediately following Trump’s 2020 election defeat.”
…”On December 20, John Charles Stewart, a Pennsylvania Proud Boy who has since pled guilty to conspiracy, wrote in the “Ministry of Self-Defense Leaders” chat that the Proud Boys’ “main operating theater” on January 6 “should be out in front of the Capitol building.”
“That’s where the vote is taking place and all the objections,” Stewart wrote. In the same chat, on January 3, 2021, another Proud Boy, with the handle “Gabriel PB,” concurred, writing, “Yes sir, time to stack those bodies in front of Capitol Hill.”
Another Proud boy named Jake Phillips responded that same day: “What would they do if 1 million patriots stormed and took the capital (sic) building. Shoot into the crowd? I think not.”
In the chat, the Proud Boys continued to discuss the best methods for breaking into the Capitol, with Stewart saying in a voice note that the Proud Boys attack should be aimed at the “front entrance to the Capitol building.”
The next morning, January 4, Tarrio replied to Stewart, “I didn’t hear this voice note until now, you want to storm the Capitol.”
The Proud Boys trial is expected to last for several more weeks.“
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/02/11/fnzx-f11.html
Obviously there was coordination.
You really do not get it.
You can not conspire to commit a non-crime.
You cite a bunch of QUOTES – not a single one even hints at a crime.
Then you make a bunch of claims about what was allegedly said – without quoting anyone.
That is just YOUR SPIN.
You have nothing.
Your own evidence proves YOU HAVE NOTHING.
The proud boys trial should not have lasted several seconds.
It is and unconstitutional effort to criminalize people acting within their rights.
Protest is legal.
“Storming the capitol” is legal. Otherwise the Kavanaugh protestors would have all been jailed.
Seeking the overturning of an election is legal.
I find it interesting – AG Garland has testified to the Senate that protesting in front of a judges home seeking to influence a court decision – is a federal crime. Yet not a single one of thousands of left wing nuts that did so has been arrested.
Conversely protesting the certification of an election by congress is perfectly legal – and hundreds of people have been arrested and prosecuted for that.
Actual sedition is the attempt to overthrow the government.
Stopping the certification of the election, persuading through protest those in congress to select someone different as president is a highly unlikely but completely legal and constitutional objective.
You can no make legitimate if unlikely outcomes into the same things as an actual overthrow of government.
Regardless, no one sought to overthrow government. They sought to overturn an election – those are NOT the same thing.
Elections are overturned all the time. We are in the process of overturning a local election in LA right now over illegal ballot harvesting.
Conversely it is arguable that those in government who coerced social media to engage in censorship favoring one political party did engage in “sedition”. They actually sought to overthrow the government. They sought to decieve voters.
They acted within their powers as government employees to act in violation of the constitution.
All you are doing with this nonsense is proving that you are no different from the left wing nuts in the Soviet Union.
You have no interest in the law or the constitution or actual rights.
You use the power that you have – illegitimately to go after those who legiimately oppose you.
You do not seem to get it.
You are not prosecuting people for committing crimes.
You are prosecuting them for opposing you.
Regardless, you claimed you had evidence – and you FAILED to produce it.
What you have cited is evidence that proud boys etc were “conspiring” to excercise their first amendment rights to protest, assemble, an petition government.
In FACT the text YOU cite – indicates that they expected GOVERNMENT to initiate violence.
Which is as we now know, exactly what happened.
These witch hunts must stop. These political prisoners must be released.
Those actually guilty of crimes – such as those in government attempting to violate the rights of US citizens – especicially those looking to do so for political purposes – THEY must be prosecuted.
Stopping or disrupting an official government function by violence is a crime. They were coordinating with campaign staffers and the evidence has been presented in court. What I cited is only one example.
“You cite a bunch of QUOTES – not a single one even hints at a crime.”
It shows coordination which is exactly part of what defines domestic terrorism. It shows intent.
“The proud boys trial should not have lasted several seconds.
It is and unconstitutional effort to criminalize people acting within their rights.”
Nope. They had overwhelming evidence against them committing crimes such as unlawful entering of a restricted area. Breaking and entering, assault, theft, destruction of government property, sedition, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. They had proof on video, and literal confessions when they posted on social media their actions. They lost their rights when they violently forced their way into the capitol and assaulted law enforcement officers.
“Protest is legal.
“Storming the capitol” is legal. Otherwise the Kavanaugh protestors would have all been jailed.
Seeking the overturning of an election is legal.”
You are correct on only one thing, Protesting is legal. “Storming the capitol” is not. The Kavanaught protesters did not storm the capitol. They entered legally like everyone else. They did disrupt the hearing by yelling. Nothing close to what happened on Jan6. They were jailed briefly and charged.
Seeking the overturning of an election is legal only when law is followed. Seeking the overturning of the election thru false claims is not legal. We know from the facts that Trump’s claims of voter fraud were without evidence. Every claim was investigated, audited, litigated in court, etc. all claims failed to be proven. Fox News promoted false claims of voter fraud while knowing those claims were not true. The former republican AG of Arizona knowingly and willingly kept evidence that voter fraud did not occur from the public.
The proud boys went beyond exercising their 1st amendment rights. They conspired to commit violence and illegally overturn an election thru the use of false claims.
You can write 1000 word “rebuttals” demonstrating your ignorance of the law and willful denial of the facts all you want. You can’t change reality. The election was not stolen, Biden won by a fair and transparent election, and Fox News conspired with Trump to lie about the election willingly. Those are the facts.
A new story by Taibbi about A twitter files dump coming out today – that goes byond the Hamnilton68 and exposes a whole plethora of NGO’s engaged in sabatoging free speech – but Worse still – actually Funded by Grants from the US government as a result of an Obama Executive Order.
https://www.racket.news/p/twitter-files-gec-new-knowledge-and?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1042&post_id=105799307&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Taibbi’s peice is excellent nothing the methodology of these left wing nuts, who used government funding to censor people based on whether the language used by those they sought to censor “rhymed” with that of foreign wack jobs who we also had no business censoring.
Sorry Svelaz
This is you. These are your peeps. The same nonsense Taibbi is writing about – it is a perfect reflection of your posts here all the time.
You do not give a schiff about facts. Just whether something offends you, or if it can be twisted into appearing to offend others.
This is called LYING.
John B. Say, from YOUR link. It’s clear it’s not what you think it is.
This is why your arguments collapse so quickly. This is how you misinterpret a lot of things.
“This is a complicated story and it would be a mistake to jump to simplistic conclusions, like that the Global Engagement Center (humorously nicknamed “GECK” or “YUCK” by detractors in other agencies) is an evil Orwellian mind-control scheme. It isn’t. But for a few crucial bad decisions, it could have fulfilled a useful or at least logical mission, much as the United States Information Agency (USIA) once did. However, instead of stressing research and public reports, as the USIA did when responding to Soviet accusations that Americans had caused the AIDS crisis, GEC funded a secret list of contractors and employed a more surreptitious approach to “counter-disinformation,” sending companies like Twitter voluminous reports on foreign “ecosystems” — in practice, blacklists.
GEC was not conceived as a partisan mechanism to defang conservative media, despite the recent true and damning series of reports by the Washington Examiner, outlining how a GEC-funded NGO in England used algorithmic scoring to de-rank outlets like The Daily Wire and help papers like the New York Times earn more ad revenue. The blacklisting tales you’ll be reading about later today on Twitter also primarily target American conservatives, though GEC and GEC-funded contractors also target left-friendly movements like the gilets jaunes (yellow vests), socialist media outlets like Canada’s Global Research, even the Free Palestine movement.
I would suggest that you read the entire story – instead of the paragraph you excerpted which is Taibbi’s claim that Obama’s EO COULD have been a good thing,.
I disagree with that claim. But that is a separate issue.
Get past Taibbi’s description of what MIGHT have been – and read about what he found ACTUALLY occured.
The Obama EO became a vehicle for those on the left in government to fund private groups to encourage private censorship.
That is Classically unconstitutional. Government can not do through others what it can not constitutionally do directly.
The FBI can not ask Twitter to censor political speech or any other constitutionally protected speech.
The government can not give grants or contracts to private actors to encourage them to seek to have the constitutionally protected speech of others censored.
This is not a difficult constitutional question.
Taibbi’s digression into what Obama’s EO MIGHT have produced which MIGHT not have been so egregiously unconstitutional does not alter the fact that What Taibbi actually found was unconstitutional.
While it is pretty well proven beyond any doubt that this massive democrat and left driven multiheaded censorship regime targeted almost exclusively the right.
Though that is with certainty egregious and all the more immoral
Constitutionally that is not relevant, all that is relevant was that it RESULTED in the censorship of constitutionally protected speech.
The First amendment rights of free speech enjoy the most near absolute protection of any right in the entire constitution.
The standard for infringement is Strict scrutiny. There is no – we accidentally infringed exception.
Infringement of free speech is only permitted in extremely limited circumstances.
Only a few a priori restrictions on speech are allowed.
Child porn is not constitutionally protected.
Calls to violence – that is CLEAR and IMMEDIATE is not protected.
Contra most on the left and right – yelling fire in a crowded theater is actually constitutionally protected speech.
This is not a close call.
“Stopping or disrupting an official government function by violence is a crime. ”
We are past that – the violence was initiated by the Capitol Police – Your DONE there.
But beyond that neither the FACTS, nor your own evidence show that the PB or OK intended to act violently.
You have SOME evidence that like Ghandi they HOPED that the CP would respond with Violence.
Or like Bull Conners in the south 70 years ago.
Is that the comparison you want to make ? Comparing the Proud Boys to the Civil Rights movement and MLK, and the CP and democrats to Bull Connors ?
Please cite a specific example of ANYONE “conspiring or coordinating” to commit violence ?
Please cite a specific example of Anything related to J6 that was different in any consequential way from the Code Pink violence at Trump’s certification or at Trump’s inauguration ?
Or that is consequentially different from the Kavanaugh protestors disrupting the Senate hearings ?
Or the Code Pink protests yesterday ?
There are TWO consequential differences – J6 was Far larger – which terrifies the schiff out of you – as it should.
And J6 protests were from the right, rather than the left.
Those are the only differences.
No one brought and Axe to the J6 protests, yet a Kavanaugh protestor embedded an Axe in a Senators door, was not prosecuted, and had the axe returned.
Every protest that ever was has evidence of conspiracy, and coordination and intent.
This argument is NONSENSE.
If you do not have Conspiracy to commit a CRIME, coordination to commit a CRIME, and intent to commit a CRIME.
Then you have NOTHING.
Obviously the J6 Protest was “coordinated”, obviously people conspired to protest,
There is no crime of conspiracy to protest.
All you are doing is PROVING that you are politicizing the criminal justice system.
“You are correct on only one thing, Protesting is legal. “Storming the capitol” is not. ”
Of course it is, the Kavanuagh protestors “stormed the capitol”
Even Sen. Schumer participated in “storming he supreme court” – where he specifically threatened supreme court justices by name and came orders of magnitude close to “incitement to violence” than Trump did on J6.
I find Schumer’s remarks offensive. I am deeply offended by the conduct of those “storming the supreme court”,
But all that is reasons not to vote for Schumer or to oppose left wing nuts politically.
None of it is a basis to jail them for legal but offensive protest and speech.
You can not distinguish what occured on J6 with myriads of other protests and events that all of us accept as legitimate – some of which many of us accept as laudable.
Ghandi, MLK, all engaged in protests that turned violent.
The Kavanaugh protests – at the senate, and at the supreme court were ALL intended to disrupt procedings and alter their outcomes. As were yesterdays’ Code pink prostests as well as the multiple code pink protests in Jan 2017.
Further many of these involved ACTUAL violence initiated by those on the LEFT – yet no one went to jail for any of them.
What sets J6 apart is that it was larger, and it was from the right not left.
And that scares the schiff out of you.
The entire mess going on in DC is to make absolutely sure that those on the right NEVER protest again.
Because left wing nut protestors are for the most part impotent, if often violent.
But large scale protests by the right will change the world – and you know it.
Well, WP has deleted my Reply to you.
Regardless, Sorry, you did not even come close to making your argument.
Except for the fact that J6 was large and from the right it was no different from myriads of other left wing nut protests.
The Kavauagh protestors Did “storm” the capitol – there is video. They forced their way in. the CP did as they were trained and as they did on J6 and tried to slow them down without causing a violent confrontation.
Need I remind you AGAIN that a Kavanaugh protestor took an AXE to a senators door.
There is NOTHING comparable on J6.
No one broaght a gun or an axe.
Further you know damn well that no Kavanaugh protestor legally entered the capitol with an Axe.
the FORCED their way in.
What is different – Senate Republicans waited the protestors out – Pelosi and Schumer ran scared for their bunkers.
YOUR choices can not make the actions of someone else into a crime.
If you and I are in a park and I come towards you and you run away, you do not get to claim I was going to assault you.
“Seeking the overturning of an election is legal only when law is followed. ”
Incorrect. Seeking to overturn an election is only illegal when the law is violated.
The actual rule for the actions of individuals in the US is that everything is permitted except what is explicitly prohibited.
The converse is true of those in government – everything is prohibited except what is specifically permitted.
“Seeking the overturning of the election thru false claims is not legal.”
Of course it is legal. That is nonsense. Hillary sought to overturn the 2016 election based on a long long list of claims she knew were false.
“We know from the facts that Trump’s claims of voter fraud were without evidence.”
That is both false and not relevant. There is plenty of evidence. I have presented much of it here.
“Every claim was investigated, audited, litigated in court, etc. all claims failed to be proven.”
False and irrelevant.
There was almost nothing actually investigated by election officials.
Raffensburger did conduct a recanvass – that is normal for a close election in GA and automatic.
He did agree to a random signature audit in Cobb county – and when he did not like the outcome he refused to go further.
The GA Senate held hearings and did what was in their limited power – but that was not much.
The AZ Senate did better – but the results were not until long after the election, and while they did not prove fraud and they did disprove the claim that DVS rigged the election – they found that more than 50% of all ballots in 2020 had some kind of problem that had the law been followed would have gotten most of them tossed.
One of the Smallest problems they found was almost 50,000 ballots from only 13,000 people.
There were very very few audits of any kind – a recanvas is not an audit. The only consequential one is in AZ and that is not very good for you. There were smaller “audits” in Windham, NH and Antrim, WI – Windham found no fraud and no consequential change for Trump, but found DVS equipment problems that only by luck did not alter an election, and probably altered all other elections in NH. The Antrim audit picked up about 4500 lost Trump votes.
In fact I beleive just about every recanvas everywhere – while finding both missing Trump and Biden votes – found Far more missing Trump than Biden votes. It is ALWAYS a huge indicator of election fraud when the results of any review lean heavily one way – random chance dictates that innocent errors will come close to matching the election results. So if the results were 50:50 the error shoudl be 50:50. If he results were 60:40 the errors should be 60:40. If the results are 50:50 and the errors are 70:30 – there is almost certainly fraud.
And no these claims were not litigated in court. Nor did any court prove them false.
The courts used legal tricks like Laches, mootness, timelyness, ripeness and standing to AVOID any investigation on the merits. The ONLY claims that have actually been “disproven” is the DVS rigged the election claim and that ONLY in Maricopa AZ and windham NH, which were the ONLY places that DVS counts were actually checked. No one has to this day checked DVS counts anywhere else in the country.
And the DVS rigged the election is the LEAST credible claim.
Regardless, the standard for an individual to protest or make claims of election fraud or to use them to “overturn an election” is NOT that those claims must be proven (or disproven) beyond a reasonable doubt.
One of the Kavanaugh accusers recently recanted saying that she never even met Kavanagagh.
Does the FACT that her accusation is absolutely totally indisputably false, mean that Kavanaugh protestors committed a crime ?
Absolutely not – as always you are full of schiff, and manufacturing law and constitution from thin air.
I would note that Ghandi was absolutely in the wrong – according to the law in his salt protests.
MLK was absolutely in the wrong legally regarding the protests in Selma, and burmingham and montgomery.
Protestors may challenge LEGAL ACTS of Government. without committing a crime.
If you were right about EVERYTHING – if the election was conducted perfectly and lawfully, if it was conducted transparently, and and accurately if the results were indisputeable, if the courts had allowed actual inquiry, and disproven every single claim.
Trump protestors could still LEGALLY challenge the certification of the election and do so for any reason they chose including that the election was fraudulent and stolen.
Seeking to act within the law and constitution is legal PERIOD. It is legal whether the facts support your claim or they do not.
In fact If it is absolutely beyond any dispute that Biden won the 2020 election massively, Congress could still refuse to certify the election and vote Trump as president. That is highly unlikely and probably would result in riots, violence and republicans being swept from the congress in 2022, but it would be legal and constitutional.
It is also highly unlikely.
And you keep getting this wrong.
You are not merely wrong about the facts, but you are wrong about the law – and obviously so.
The Kavanaugh protestors sought a different outcome from an official proceeding – they “stormed the capitol” – obviously, axes do not get into the senate when the CP have control. They engaged in violence – Axes impaled in senators doors are obvious acts of violence. About 50 people were arrested, none spent more than a few hours being processed before release and all charges including the axe were dropped.
Why ? Because of the First amendment. What democrats are down in DC burning to the ground.
“Fox News promoted false claims of voter fraud while knowing those claims were not true. :”
Not true and not relevant.
“The former republican AG of Arizona knowingly and willingly kept evidence that voter fraud did not occur from the public.”
Not True and not relevant – rather than your nonsense rant – please provide the ACTUAL evidence that the AZ AG burried ?
This is just left wing nut spin naratives.
“The proud boys went beyond exercising their 1st amendment rights.”
Then you would have evidence – you have not produced that.
“They conspired to commit violence and illegally overturn an election thru the use of false claims.”
You STILL have not provided any evidence that they intended to commit violence (or even that the /proud boys specifically did commit violence). It is not illegal to attempt to overturn and election through ACTUALLY false claims – much less through claims that you can not prove are false and that YOU refuse to allow sunlight to touch.
Hillary KNEW that her claims of Russian interferenace were fraudulent – SHE PAID to manufacture them.
And yet she tried to get electors to change their votes – and succeeded in a few instances, and she tried to do exactly what Trump tried on J6 but with far less success. There was ACTUAL Violence initiated by those on the Left in 2017 including numerous instances of arson and throwing bricks through windows when congress was certifying and during the inauguration.
While Clinton’s “protests” were smaller scale. They were MORE violent and actually planned violence.
And yet no charges of Sedition.
Hillary continues to argue “russian interference” through today, as do You – which is just batschiff crazy.
And yet no one is trying to inverstigate, indict or prosecute Clinton.
This is not “what-about-ism”
This is the application of the law and constitution.
These made up standards of yours – and you do this always and everywhere.
You were given the HOLDING in NARA v JW and Armstrong I & II,
and you IGNORE those, and then try to pretend that tiny excepts out of context of Dicta actually reflect the law.
And Wrose that Trump is not free to rely on the actual law, on th actual decisions of Left Wing nut judges like ABJ in the clinton case.
You make stupid claims that there is some journalistic exception – something the courts never considered – because Branch is not a journalist, he was a historian essentially in the employ of the exectutive.
None of this is the actual law. It is not even close to the actual law.
You make this stupid claim that Biden and Pence did not actually violate the law – because they returned what they Stole,
While Trumps case is different – because Trump has a legitimate claim to ownership, and continues to assert his innocence – that he somehow must be more guilty – because he continues to assert innocence.
None of this is the actual law. It is not even close to the actual law.
Intent requires intent to commit a crime – not to thwart your political will.
Every crime of violence REQUIRES that YOU initiate violence – this is so fundimental that it is the CORE justification forthe Social contract – the foundation to all legitimate government.
Protestors have repeatedly and deliberately sought to provoke those in power to commit violence against them.
That is the CORE to Civil dispobediance, to the Civil rights movement – and in fact in many many instances protestors actually peacefully – though often forcefully violated laws they beleived to be unjust in order to get those in power to respond with violence.
Proud Boys and Oath Keepers hoping that the Capitol Police would respond with violence – which they did, is NOT a crime.
It is NOT an illegal conspiracy.
Again you are wrong on the actual law. It is not even close to the actual law.
Doing something legal for reasons that are bad, false or beleived to be bad for others – does not alter the fact that your actions are still LEGAL.
Criminal intent – which is required for nearly all crimes, requires FIRST doing something that is actually illegal – otherwise your intent is irrelevant.
There is no such crime as doing something legal for bad reasons.
Again you are wrong on the actual law. It is not even close to the actual law.
“You can write 1000 word “rebuttals” demonstrating your ignorance of the law and willful denial of the facts all you want.”
My rebuttals are long because pretty much every sentence you write contains atleast 2 significant errors.
If you want shorter replies make fewer errors.
” You can’t change reality. The election was not stolen, Biden won by a fair and transparent election, and Fox News conspired with Trump to lie about the election willingly. Those are the facts.”
And I have some swamp land for sale cheap.
The law was not followed. PERIOD.
Agencies in the US government illegally and unconstitutionally conspired to violate the constitutional rights of the american people in order to aide Biden in winning the election – that is STEALING the election.
There is at this point ZERO doubt that occured.
Democrats, the media, the Biden campaign and SM all conspired with them – that is arguably legal – but for the involvement of government, but it is immoral. It is what liars and cheats and people who do not beleive they can win an honest election do. There is at this point ZERO doubt that occured.
Democratic NGO’s put 1/2 Billion dollars into taking over the election apparatus in 6 key cities in 6 battle ground states, then from WITHIN the government, they engaged in Democrat favoring GOTV efforts using non-public information.
In most of the country that is illegal. Regardless it is immoral. It is what liars and cheats and people who do not beleive they can win an honest election do. There is at this point ZERO doubt that occured.
You claimed the election was transparent – that is absolutely laughable. Where is the chain of custody for millions of ballots ? How can you claim transparency when not only can’t you prove where ballots came from – you do not even know.
The law requires that ballots without proper chain of custody must be discarded. The law was not followed.
Courts continue to refuse to order that the law is followed. Most of the large body of election laws – laws that you ignored in 2020 and continue to do so, exist to both deter fraud and detect fraud. Without following those laws – you can not know whether there was fraud or not. You did not follow MANY election laws, you barely followed ANY election laws.
You claim the election was transparent – how do you know where ballots dropped in unattented drop boxes came from ?
How do you know where ballots without chain of custody came from ?
How do you know what went on in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, … when you chased election observers out, papered over the windows, and did as you please.
This is your idea of transparent ?
You made the J6 mess all by your self.
You did virtually everything possible to conduct a lawless and not transparent election.
And you continue to make idiotic claims that pretty much everyone on the planet knows are false.
The law was NOT followed,
The election was NOT transparent – or even close.
No meaningful inquiry was allowed. ‘
You did NOT behave morally and truthfully – pretty much about ANYTHING.
Your conduct – not just ONE aspect by numerous aspects REQUIRES that no rational and moral person trust you.
Not about the election – not about anything.
You have made it clear – that you will get your way – by hook or crook, by whatever means are necescary.
Not once have you addressed a single bit of democratic misconduct and said – that is NOT ok.
You want to fight over Twitters Terms of service – which they admitted they did not follow.
While ignoring the elephant in the room – you Benefited from unarguably immoral censorship of the Truth.
It is crystal clear to everyone that if you had your way – the misconduct of Twitter – and the rest of Social Media would still be secret. And that it would be ongoing. that you really do not give a schiff if our institutions obliterate truth – so long as you continue to be able to force others to live as you demand.
You do not care about the law. You will warp that to suit your purposes.
It is predictable how you will argue every single issue – whoever is on the left – their actions will be according to YOUR mangling of the law legal. Same fact pattern with someone on the right and magically the law will be different.
You are the epitomy of the rule of man not law.
You are the modern “Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent. “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast. Beria targeted “the man” first, then proceeded to find or fabricate a crime. Beria’s modus operandi was to presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. By contrast, under the United States Constitution, there’s a presumption of innocence that emanates from the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments, as set forth in Coffin vs. U.S. (1895).”
John, it’s patently clear that you’re heavily invested in your conspiracy theories and delusions. You’re beyond help or reason. It’s truly tragic and it’s evident that you are willfully ignorant about a lot of things.
Your obsession with all things from the left as evil or immoral severely limits your capacity to be aware of reality. No wonder conspiracy theories seem to be your first argument on anything.
“John, it’s patently clear that you’re heavily invested in your conspiracy theories and delusions. You’re beyond help or reason. It’s truly tragic and it’s evident that you are willfully ignorant about a lot of things.
Your obsession with all things from the left as evil or immoral severely limits your capacity to be aware of reality. No wonder conspiracy theories seem to be your first argument on anything.:”
Rather than pretend that you can read my mind, that you know my motivations, or that they are relevant,
Why not stick to he facts and the actual issues.
What does “heavily invested” – even mean ?
Aside from the indirect problem that growing government slowly encroaches my personal liberty,
And that biden’s incompetent government threatens all of our prosperity,
And that his recklessness in foreign affairs threatens our lives,
Much of what we debate has no direct effect on any of our lives.
You can jail Trump for no reason at all, and aside from angering more than half the country and possibly triggering large scale violence – you will have no direct impact on me.
So how am I invested ? And what does that mean ?
As to “conspiracy theories” –
“I Need New Conspiracy Theories Because My Old Ones Came True”
What is it I am “delusional” about ?
What is it I am “ignorant” about ?
As to the immorality of the left – that is inherent in the ideology.
It is a core premise of the left that they can use the force of government against individuals to accomplish their ends without justification. that is inherently immoral.
What “conspiracy theory” argument have I made that is not True ?
Are you claiming that the emails and DM’s and other records from the Twitter files are all “russian disinformation” ?
What is it that you think I am relying on that is False ?
Make actual arguments rather than ill defined nebulous attacks on my character.
All that does is speak poorly of yours.
News of the Day:
First – I fully expect the Proud Boys to be convicted by the DC Jury – it is a DC jury they do not need evidence.
Regardless, the Prosecutions star and only direct witness was obliterated on Cross.
Where he admitted:
There was no insurrection – planned or otherwise.
He had lied previously on 3 separate occasions – to the FBI, and under oath to the J6 committee.
That no one planned or even discussed violence.
That no one planned or discussed any actions beyond going to DC to yell and stomp their feet and hope that Congress did not certify.
That no one planned to break into the capitol.
That there was no plan to take over the capitol, the government, to hold anyone, or to do anything beyond protest.
And that was YOUR Star Witness.
Separately 2 of the 3 charged were NOT at the capitol. And one was not even at DC.
Nor did they plan to be at the capitol
In another “shocker” – apparently some DC FBI Agents have big balls.
It is now reported that the reason for the Delay of the MAL raid was because the head of the DC FBI investigation was pushing back against DOJ, and refused to proceed to raid MAL without a direct order from DOJ.
That he explicitly told the DOJ that what they were doing was Wrong. that a warrant was not necescary, that trump’s attorney’s were cooperating. That they had done everything they were asked so far – including securing the SCIF. Further he would not direct agents to ask for or take documents that were not classified.
Because they did not have legal authority to do so.
And this is the FBI office that is over run by Left Wing nuts.
What does that tell you about how nuts the DOJ under Garland is ?
OOPS.
The only difficulty I have in flushing your nonsense down the toilet were it belongs, is that it is a huge pile of schiff and it takes massive amounts of plunging to get it all to flush.
You have not even established there was coordination. A few remarks in emails is not coordination.
Nor does a single thing that you cited constitute coordination. ‘
But despite the fact that you can not prove your most fundimental claims – conspiracy and coordination,
You have a far bigger problem – even if you did.
It is not illegal to conspire and coordinate to excercise first amendment rights.
The strongest argument you have made so far is that the Proud boys conspired and coordinated in exactly the same way that Ghandi did in the 1930 Salt marches that lead to the Bazzar Salt Massacre.
Ghandi and his people engaged in ACTUAL DELIBERATE civil disobediance – there is no evidence to date that any of the disruption that occured at the Capitol on J6 was “planned”.
But even if it was – “storming the capital” in the same fashion that Ghandi stormed the salt markets – hoping that the british would act badly – which they did, make the Crime – the response of the british – or in this case the Capitol Police.
At the Salt march massacre – the British opened fire on and killed 200 indians.
The Proud Boys and Oath keepers are perfectly free to hope that when they “storm the capitol” that the Capitol police will react badly an fire on protestors. Which is ultimately what they did – though in a more comical and incompetent fashion.
What we now know is that the Capitol Police FIRST Accidentally Tear Gassed themselves, and then accidentally tear gassed the protestors – which is what precipited the crowd moving forward through barriers into the capitol and into conflict with the CP at the west tunnel.
Do you have emails where the Proud Boys planned to sabatoge the CS Tear Gas of the CP ?
If not – then you have a major problem – no matter what the proud boys MAY have planned, what occured was triggered by the CP – not the proud boys.
House republicans have ended the unconstitutional closure of the Capitol.
They have removed all the metal detectors and other nonsense.
Apparently Republicans are not afraid of idiotic democrat protesters – such as the Kavanaugh protesters.
Apparently Republicans are OK with free speech, protest, petitioning government.
All this is more evidence that what really happened on J6 was that Democrats in power were terrified at the prospect of having to look directly into the eyes of angry voters.
The only crime at the Capitol was YOURS.
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Coincidentally, an act of “demostic terrorism” occured yesterday in the House. A. House select committee investigating potential threats that the Chinese Communist Party poses to the USA was interrupted by a Code-Pink protester, on the grounds that the investigation will promote hate against Asian-Americans. Another terrorist held up a sign saying “Stop Asian Hate.” https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3878446-protesters-disrupt-house-china-panels-first-hearing/ Obviously, such actions are “an attack on our democracy” and a “threat to national security”. Anyone who says otherwise is a “February 28 Denier.”
I will bet there was a “conspiracy”, and they must have “coordinated” via Social Media, text and email.
I would like to here from Svelaz why this is not sedition ?
“But ‘now’ Wray is spot on . . .”
It’s hard to know what to do with a person who does not understand: I disagree with “Joe” about X, but agree with him about Y.
So what ever happened to the following’
“Pandemic of the unvaccinated”
“If you’re vaccinated, you cannot spread or contract covid”
And now this? And s@@tlibs still want me fired for refusing to be a guinea pig.
Well I didn’t…and there is NOTHING you can do about it except maybe refuse to invite me to your next wine and cheese party – I’m heartbroken!!
antonio
They’re actually ‘whine and cheezy’ parties.
JAFO,
That was funny.
Turley and Fox News really don’t seem to understand satire at all. What Colbert was mocking was the fact that the right latched on to the DOE report way too quickly. Declaring “victory” of some sort because it somehow somewhat repudiated their long held conspiracy theories about the origins of the virus.
The Fox News article that is critical of Colbert takes his satire at face value and criticizes it as if he were being serious. Jon Stewart famously made this point to Bill O’Reilly years ago about that distinction. Turley should rewatch that interview again to gain some much needed perspective.
It also seems Turley is relying an awful lot on Fox News articles to support his narrative. We all know Fox News is a verified BS factory. Their credibility is in tatters and they clearly have no journalistic integrity or standards. Why should anyone trust anything coming out of Fox News? When will Turley address that glaring failure? Turley can’t keep ignoring it. He would be guilty of censorship by omission by his own rationale. In many ways he already is. It’s just a matter of time before he’s forced to confront that inconvenient truth.
Jon Stewart famously made this point to Bill O’Reilly years ago about that distinction.
We call that the “Clown nose on/Clown nose off” defense. Its a get out of jail card for those that aren’t to bright and get caught saying stupid stuff.
No, it’s about not being able to distinguish between satire and News. Just as you’re demonstrating right now.
If you are relying on Jon Stewart or Colbert at this point to provide honesty (or Comedy Central, for that matter), I don’t know what to tell you. That ship sailed and it’s sad because they both used to be quite good, as satire. Satire is satire, not news. Now they are the picture accompanying the term in the dictionary of ‘sellout’. If you still buy any of that crap, then sellout you are, too. Wake up, children. You cannot possibly be this asleep or beholden to the things you watch on TV or the internet, and that isn’t even pernicious, it’s just effing intellectually lazy. The fact that gen z finally started having children in their 40s does not excuse this. That may seem like a wild non-sequitur here, but to the generation it applies to, it applies with extra sauce. Grow. The. Eff. Up. Star Wars was fiction created by a human man, not gospel. Agian, this may seem odd to older folks, but to the generation in question it makes perfect sense. Stop naming your children after Superman comics, Kal-el.
James, Stewart made a great point when he was being interviewed by Bill O’Reilly.
O’Reilly couldn’t grasp the distinction between News and satire. Stewart pointed out that oftentimes when satire is involved it points out the obvious truth in a manner that everyone recognizes a true and that’s why it’s seen as funny when you compare it to the news. Stewart kept pointing out that satire is not news, but it also conveys the truth in a way that’s not evident with the news.
O’Reilly believed Stewart’s show was a news show. Stewart was telling him that it was not. O’Reilly couldn’t grasp the difference.
O’Reilly believed Stewart’s show was a news show. Stewart was telling him that it was not.
Clown nose on/ Clown nose off.
Stewart should do the news, or do comedy. But he takes his swings. If it blows up, he says, “hey, its just a joke, lighten up”
You know, Jon Stewart was on Colbert. And I think Jimmy Dore has Colbert pretty much pegged accurately.