Below is the column in the Messenger on the Trump indictment. As expected, Trump is already campaigning on the issue. In a rally in Georgia, Trump declared: “They’ve launched one witch hunt after another to try and stop our movement, to thwart the will of the American people. In the end, they’re not coming after me. They’re coming after you.” Trump may not be the first president to be arrested, but his case is already unprecedented. It could get even more wild in the months to come.
Here is the column:
“I will have to place you under arrest.” Those words to an American president have only been uttered once in history. And, no, it was not a line uttered at Mar-a-Lago. Those were the words of William Henry West, a Civil War-era African American soldier and later a police officer, when he arrested Ulysses S. Grant for speeding in a horse-drawn carriage on the streets of Washington, D.C. in 1872.
Grant had been warned previously about his speeding and, according to West, looked like “a schoolboy who had been caught in a guilty act by his teacher.”
Unlike Donald Trump, Grant did not proclaim, “I am an innocent man!” But, then again, he was not looking at charges that could bring as much as 20 years in prison. (Grant paid a $20 fine).
West and President Grant became friends. That also is not likely to occur between Trump and the Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel, Jack Smith, who Trump has called a “rabid wolf.”
Many are celebrating what the Drudge Report suggested was “the downfall of the Don.” However, destroying Trump in a scandal is like trying to drown a manatee: Both are in their element.
The fact is that many people will see this indictment as confirmation of their worst expectations of either Trump or the Justice Department.
It will be difficult to get through a trial before the 2024 presidential election. Even if the Justice Department pushed for a trial, judges likely would balk at the notion of trying this case months before the election. Either way, Trump — if he won reelection to the White House — could give himself a pardon before or after any conviction.
How the Justice Department proceeds from this point will either confirm or rebut allegations of political bias.
One of the open questions will be the other part of Smith’s mandate. He was asked to look into criminal charges related to both the Jan. 6, 2021, riot in the Capitol and the classified documents which Trump allegedly held at his Mar-a-Lago home. Smith made fast work of the Mar-a-Lago part, but there is no indication of what is occurring on the other matter.
If Smith has found that there is no basis for criminal charges over Trump’s role on Jan. 6, it would be the final rejection of claims by the House of Representatives’ Jan. 6th Committee and by a host of politicians and pundits. The question is whether Smith will be as quick to resolve that question as he has been in alleging the crimes at Mar-a-Lago.
Regarding Mar-a-Lago, the reported inclusion of a charge under the Espionage Act is a bit surprising, given the novel legal issues surrounding the handling of such documents. However, the inclusion of false-statement and obstruction charges is what many of us have predicted all along. These are the favorite charges of federal prosecutors; they are easier to prove and can be presented as stand-alone offenses.
When Grant was arrested, he did not contest the charge. Either he was speeding or he was not. But these charges against Trump can have the same cut-and-dried look for jurors: Either a statement was true or it was not. While there will be a question of whether Trump or his lawyers were responsible for false representations to federal authorities about the alleged documents, the question for the jury is free from the factual and constitutional complexities suggested by his team.
Those charges will become even more challenging for Trump if, as rumored, Smith has secured the cooperation of individuals within the Trump team. Earlier, Smith reportedly compelled the appearance of Trump lawyers before the grand jury. There is also a leak suggesting that Smith has an audiotape of Trump referring to his possession of a classified document on Iran — and acknowledging that he could not show or discuss the contents.
For two years, I have said that the Mar-a-Lago charges — particularly obstruction — represent the greatest threat to Donald Trump. It remains baffling why Trump forced this issue over these documents rather than just give them all back. (He could still have gotten access to them from the National Archives.) He knew that he was unlikely to receive much deference from the DOJ. Yet, he allowed this collateral controversy to consume his campaign.
Once again, however, the campaign is all about Trump. Moreover, there could be a method to the madness, as Trump seeks to try this case before the public.
Indeed, the ultimate jury in this case could prove to be the American people. The 2024 election could become a referendum on this case. I have long maintained that presidents can pardon themselves, and Trump could well use his mugshot as a campaign poster.
One of the early issues for the court in Florida will be whether to gag the former president from campaigning on this matter. That could raise serious free-speech concerns and could prove one of the early appellate issues in the case if the court imposes strict limits on what Trump can say about it.
Trump, based on past behavior, is likely to invite rather than avoid such fights.
The Justice Department has done tremendous damage to itself — and, potentially, to this case — due to its prior history with Trump. FBI and Justice officials have shown open bias against him and have treated him differently than figures like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That record was further exposed recently by another special counsel, John Durham, who found that the Justice Department lacked a basis to launch the Russia-collusion investigation.
Polls show that the majority of Americans harbor serious doubts about the independence and integrity of the FBI. Many voters are skeptical over yet another criminal allegation just before a presidential election.
Trump is now facing the most serious criminal charges in his career. If successful and Trump is not pardoned by himself or one of his Republican competitors (or even by a magnanimous Joe Biden), it could be a lethal threat. At 76 years old, Trump would be unlikely to survive a prison stint even without the imposition of the maximum sentences allowed under these charges.
He will surrender on Tuesday — but that will be only the start of an existential fight for Trump.
Jonathan Turley, an attorney, constitutional law scholar and legal analyst, is the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at The George Washington University Law School.
Trump lies “they’re not coming after me. They’re coming after you.”
The DOJ isn’t coming after the American electorate. The American electorate isn’t the one who illegally kept National Defense Information.
And why is JT talking about “the reported inclusion of a charge under the Espionage Act.” He can read the indictment and see that there are 31 counts of willful retention of NDI.
JT is also silent about the charging of Walt Nauta as a co-conspirator. One of the interesting questions is whether Nauta will choose to cooperate.
Did you not see Biden’s red light scary speech in Philadelphia accusing Ultra MAGA of essentially being the biggest threat to our “democracy” along with white supremacists and domestic terrorists who ….gasp….dare to engage in protesting elections where there was OBVIOUS fraud….questioning their school boards…..questioning Biden’s radical policies…..protesting the Left’s agenda currently being rammed down our throats?
Make no mistake….this government is targeting citizens, using and abusing all the power and might of the government.
THAT is the reality in this country today under the corrupt and illegitimate Biden regime.
Hate to break it to you but Trump had the executive authority to keep what he wished, to declassify what he wished as the President. All of which has been settled in case law prior to this point.
Trump was no longer President and had no executive authority, much less authority to keep National Defense Information. Trump is on tape noting that he had material that he had not declassified.
“Trump was no longer President and had no executive authority, much less authority to keep National Defense Information.”
Trump had the authority when the materials were taken to his home. Moreover, he said he declassified them. There is a problem in the law that was noted at the time. There were gray areas left by the law which were supposed to be managed by the courts. The DOJ overstepped their boundaries.
And neither Biden or Clinton were EVER President and should be sitting behind bars today if justice was equal.
Margot – good one!
@oldmanfromkansas,
Yea the lampooning is funny but what we’re witnessing is hurting the Constitution, the country and the people. I wish all sides can come to their senses and remember we’re Americans not a third world nation. Our leaders from both sides have to stop now before things get out of hand!
Margot – I kind of feel like now we are in fact a third-world nation. Two indicators are the streets of San Francisco and the weaponization of the levers of government power to punish the regime-in-power’s political opposition. Ever since the tragic events of November 6, 2012 I’m pessimistic that America has a bright future.
Well I voted for trump twice. Cruz was my man in 2016 but he lost. I liked Trump’s policies but I had worries about his personality but then Hilary had no personality at all except that of the Sea Hag from Beowulf and so I had no trouble voting for Trump and he won. Then he appointed too many losers in his cabinet and there was turmoil almost from day one but then Comey the Ultra-Righteous contributed a lot to that and then the war to unseat him really went into overdrive. His selections and appointees were poor except for a few who turned out well. A first rate AG would have been useful from the very start but he appointed Sessions who could not handle the job. Then he could not shut up and commented on anything and everything and we wondered what was the next blowup-barb that was going to come out. That lost him votes. He never knew when to be quiet.
It’s heroic to stand up and lead against the forces of darkness but it is also prudent to sometimes wear armor, focus on the goal, sometimes keep your head down and still move forward. You also protect your flanks and lead with all your force going forward without dissipating all of you energy and assets fighting battles that you yourself caused by leaving openings to your adversaries. Fighting battles that you need never have fought is stupidity and will bleed you of all your strength and you lose.
If this was a tennis match you would say Trump had a great serve for aces, but the double faults and unforced errors completed negated his game and will likely cause him the match. Simple prudence and occasional acts of personal moderation and coherent thought with good planning would have prevented most of what we see now.
Especially when the side you’re fighting has no shame and no desire to play by the rules at all.
In the high stakes of war, politics, gambling you just can’t give your opponents any points at all. Deny all the points you can and make the opponent bleed so much for the points that they get, that they will abandon the fight. Trump simply never learned that and he keeps making the same mistakes over and over. That’s insane.
And that is what the democrats, in turn, are doing to him.
Good stuff. Write more.
GEB – good analysis. I’d summarize by saying: that he was not a Washington insider, or indeed ever a politician before 2015, in part got him elected. That he had never been a politician also meant he was not experienced at the type of battle he needed to fight after his election, whereas his opponents were. His personality – including his thoughtlessness on tweets – also helped do him in, while at the same time enabled him to get a lot done.
I guess in the end he accomplished a lot in a few years (low unemployment, energy independence, criminal justice reform, more worker-friendly international trade agreements, etc.), but his inexperience and brash personality made it unlikely he’d have eight years.
What Trump lacked most was a Rolodex.
GEB, that’s a very reasonable assessment of Trump’s tactics in what amounts to political warfare.
Trump knows his enemy. He’s weathered attack after attack and with each victory, it has become increasingly obvious this enemy of Trump is an enemy to this country and its people.
What Trump has had to learn the hard way is being right in principle is no match for an enemy with an overwhelming force inside your command and control centers. Add to that an enemy with an endless supply of resources and control of the messaging and Trump was always one misstep away from defeat.
Will he weather this battle? I don’t know. What I do know is there are great candidates to pick up the sword.
..are we impressed with the ‘high school photo arts club’ display from the the DOJ..? ..if someone delivered and shoved that many boxes into my home they’d have to be be stacked in the bathrooms, too..! Why didn’t the GSA rent a secure facility near the President’s home to deliver and store that many boxes like it did for all the other Presidents? Trying to figure out what boxes contained what, i.e., what was packed and moved by the GSA would certainly cause a lot of the sorting disarray for anyone in a major move.. yet, somehow the ‘Archives’ had lightening speed in figuring it out from afar……ETC. ..way too many ‘holes’ here…
“[T]he inclusion of false-statement and obstruction charges is what many of us have predicted all along.”
And that was the Left’s goal, from the outset: Concoct a pretext to trap Trump in a notoriously squishy “process crime.” All to either remove him from politics, or make him toxic with swing voters.
I take it that you haven’t read the indictment and don’t know that the bulk of the charges aren’t “notoriously squishy “process crimes.””
I take it that you ignore history and motivation, unless they satisfy your desires.
Nailed it!
The parenthetical question is why did Trump take those docs to Mar-a-Lago in the first place? Apparently Trump was too lazy to read detailed documents when he was president. Given that, the idea that he would revisit old classified documents while living fat and happy as ex-president in Florida seems ludicrous. The same can be said for semi-comatose Joe Biden who stashed classified docs in his garage like they were stacks of old magazines. And who planted the idea to illegally take the docs in the aberrant minds of Trump and Biden? And who actually selected what was to be taken? Certainly not Trump or Biden, since neither has the disciplined capacity to root through thousands of docs.
There is a lot a weirdness about American politicians.
Radical Pragmatist, I guess it’s my day to get arrested. I agree, there is a ton of weirdness.
I wish we had a better choice than either the Woke Cult or the Trump Cult. The woke are criminally insane, and Trump is the high priest of political ineptitude. Both sides are reckless. And what’s strangest of all, Trump and the Deep State are in some weird dance to distract their respective bases from their own warts.
The Trump Cult is less dangerous (massive deficits and prison releases notwithstanding), but in recent years, their only demonstrated talent is their ability to lose to woke deviants and loons.
And there’s a second reason they lose to woke deviants and loons. The bubbleheads we call swing voters can’t seem to discriminate the lesser of two evils. As the man said, “What we have here is a failure to communicate.” That comes back to Trump. Trump doesn’t want a coalition. He wants a cult, and it gives his enemies unearned power.
DeSantis. Cruz. Kennedy. Anybody but the Deep State or Deep Stupid.
“I wish we had a better choice than either the Woke Cult or the Trump Cult. ”
Diogenes, you are searching for the statesman of yesteryear. Are there any around? Are they permitted to exist?
The answer is no. That means one has to settle for a crook (Biden), an incompetent (Democrat like Buttigieg or Harris) or a politician from the other side. We were lucky in 2016. We didn’t get either and got a businessman. (I too, initially supported Cruz.)
We need some business acumen to run the nation, but that means our unskilled politician (Trump) requires help. Trump got very little, even from his own party, where a good number wished him destroyed. (Politicians are crooked on both sides.) Despite that, Trump did a good job of keeping us out of war, while providing a good economic future.
We are not going to get a classical liberal politician. They cannot exist with our corrupt media and an education system that strives to produce morons rather than mature educated adults.
Anybody but Trump is not an answer. The political parties are as corrupt as the media.
Our choice is limited. Woke vs the alternative. Causing damage to the alternative leads to Woke, so we all have to accept whatever comes from the anti-Woke Republican Party whether we are happy or not.
Trump doesn’t have a cult. What you call a cult is a group of concerned citizens following him while leaning towards classical liberalism even though many do not know what it is. When (if) Trump finishes his next four years, we will be better off, and those people to follow, along with others, will hopefully continue in that more appropriate direction.
I appreciate your sincerity, Alan, as always.
Why did Biden hide them in his garage when HE wasn’t ever President and had NO RIGHT to them??
Merrick Garland takes an on-going dispute between President Trump and the National Archives over classified records (records that he can legally declassify and possess under federal law) and then criminalizes any actions that President Trump takes to assert his privilege over the records. It was never a criminal case to begin with. But by getting the FBI to “raid” Mar-A-Lago, Garland found a sneaky way to get any process crimes legitimized. Notice that Garland chose NOT to use the FBI to “raid” the Penn Center, Biden’s Delaware residence, or the University of Delaware to seize the 1850 boxes of Biden records stored over there. Heaven forbid. The DOJ’s double standard is astounding.
Biden agreed to have the FBI search all of the locations, so there was no need to get a search warrant.
Trump didn’t.
No double standard, just different behavior by Biden and Trump.
New testimony reveals senior FBI official expressed ‘strong concerns’ about Mar-a-Lago raid
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/new-testimony-reveals-senior-fbi-official-expressed-strong-concerns
Double standard along with a weaponized DOJ. No matter what your politics, that you don’t recognize these things tells others you do not pay attention.
The FBI did not ask Trump to allow them to search Mar a Lago, which would have been standard procedure according to an FBI senior official. Skyraider makes a good point that the DOJ’s actions are a sneaky way to open the door for process crime charges.
The problem of process crimes such as obstruction of justice is that they can be charged stand alone, i.e., outside of the context in which they occurred. I think that is wrong. Remember Martha Stewart being acquitted from insider trading charges and then found guilty and imprisoned for obstruction of justice. It feels like ‘heads I win, tails you lose’. I am not a criminal law expert, but I find it troublesome to reconcile the obstruction of justice concept with the 5th amendment. Seems to me that the law needs a change, so that process crimes charges automatically disappear if the underlying case does not lead to a conviction.
Joe shouldn’t have had them to begin with. He had NO RIGHT.
DEAR ANONYMOUS – THE FBI DID + NOT + SEARCH BIDEN’S LOCATIONS. HIS OWN PERSONAL LAWYERS DID IT. SO PLEASE WAKE UP & SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARD.
Initially this seemed a disaster for Trump, and still may be, but it is also an opportunity. Who better than Trump can campaign against the Democrat’s emerging, if not emergent, police state? It is really the most important issue we face.
Good point, Mahl. The current situation should terrify all of us.
The violins in the comments are really screeching today.
Did President Bonespur take boxes of classified documents and then stash them intentionally, or did he not. And did he not have several opportunities, over months, to return them.
If yes, punishment should be what, nothing? All the whining about how we’re a nation of laws, yet when the law is applied it’s a witchhunt. Always. This is why the Sharper Image steak salesman repeats himself incessantly: so that otherwise sane people parrot and paraphrase and wax unpoetic in the dumbdumb’s defense.
“But the Democrats, waaaaaa.” If anyone mishandles classified information they should go to jail, particularly when it isn’t accidental (in the cases of Pence and Biden, even if their having such information was accidental, at a minimum it should disqualify them from holding office ever again, considering the abject carelessness involved).
Donald Ramp stole documents or he didn’t. But I’m sure in those final days, after wiping boogers on all the paintings, he never would have tried to leverage his waning access to sensitive information by casually removing boxes of documents for continued relevance and self-gain out of office. Never.
“I’m an innocent man!”, said the lady who doth protest too much.
D – a better question is why we are even concerned that Trump had classified documents. Truman and Eisenhower took tons of classified documents with them and no one ever said anything. Obama took boxes of classified documents to Chicago and no said anything
Comey took classified documents that he still possesses. But in the case of Trump it is treated almost as a capital offense.
“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him,” Farrell continued.
In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
Farrell points out that this ruling has existed without challenge or question for ten years.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1667849021094854657
Trump treated junk charges as junk charges and Professor Turley thinks there is a good case for obstruction. It’s not like we don’t know whose side Turley’s on but it’s nice to be reminded. Anything to protect Biden, right professor? When they raid Obama at dawn and go through Michelle’s underwear drawer then maybe we can take these charges seriously. Otherwise, they invent a fake crime and when their victim calls them out on it they call it obstruction. Luckily they have plenty of party apparatchiks to back them up. Ever heard of the Presidential Records Act? Or did they not talk about that in law school? Our system is based on equal treatment for everybody. When that falls down, as it so obviously has with Trump every time, then nothing can stand – at least not legitimately. Luckily for Jack Smith, democrats don’t really care about legitimacy or fairness. All they care about is winning, by any means necessary. And the ones who feign fair balance while backing up these outrages with sophistry are the worst.
I voted for Mr. Trump twice, but as a former Federal Agent, I can tell you that the obstruction counts of the indictment place him in serious legal jeopardy. One wonders why Mr. Trump would hand his enemy a knife and not expect to be stabbed?
44 USC 2205
One of the most interesting logical fallacies is the constant pointing out that the 76-year-old Trump wouldn’t likely survive a jail sentence of any length while the bulk of the campaign against Joe Biden is because of his age. Secondly, the ability to ignore the actual facts of the case and cry about Hunter Biden while propping up the Durham report as if he was anything but a political hack who spent 4 years and millions of dollars to complain about the FBI while covering up some of his findings in Italy about Trump. Most of you don’t have the nerve to claim actual innocence. Ask yourself, would he do it again? Can he be trusted with anything? The National Review published a reasonable article that points out all the things Republicans have concerns about but acknowledging that this is all of Trump’s doing. Own that!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/the-trump-indictment-is-damning/
Sorry what’s your point? Trump might survive a prison sentence so let’s throw him in jail? For some boxes of documents? So he doesn’t do it again? I.e. have documents? Yeah I’m pretty sure I can sleep at night even if Trump does have documents related to his own administration. Why not throw Joe Biden in jail? The documents in his possession were stolen. He had no right to have them at all. So let’s start there, shall we? And then let’s raid Clinton, Bush and Obama at dawn and see what we find. Re Durham, I agree. Democrat political hack. Had he had any ethics or morals, his report would have come out 3 years ago and done more than confirming what everybody already knew. And to cite an article in NR as if it proved anything is akin to citing an article in WaPo. The only people who hate Trump more than Democrats hate Trump are traditional conservative Republicans.
deboluccia, unless you’re saying we shouldn’t send any old people to jail, you’re advocating for Trump to be above the law.
While Trump having documents related to “his own administration” may not scare you, but they were apparently available to anyone who used the bathroom or shower at Mar-a-Lago, not to mention Bedminster that was never searched.
John Durham is a Republican appointed by other Republicans yet you dismiss him as a “Democrat political hack,” this is why you have no credibility.
Now the National Review is a liberal propaganda site. You can’t handle the truth as Jack Nicholson once said and you keep proving it.
Considering the fact that the National Review disliked Trump from the start and published a lot of Never Trump garbage, why do you think they would be favorable to him today?
You lack political knowledge so don’t expect to develop political acumen.
Arguing everything but the facts of the case.
Fact:
NR was not a supporter of Trump
Never Trumpers wrote editorials for NR against Trump.
You ignorantly used the opinion of NR as argument.
You lack political knowledge.
All these are facts explain why your opinion lacks substance.
Your above arguments are silly. None are reasons for prosecution and lack knowledge.
One example of your faulty knowledge: “they were apparently available to anyone who used the bathroom or shower at Mar-a-Lago,”
You must have only one bathroom in your home. Trump has many and the personal ones are not accessible to visitors.
Enigma, you need to up your game and instead of thinking in a one directional manner, try two.
So desperate you are to justify criminal behavior.
“So desperate you are to justify criminal behavior.”
Enigma, I didn’t justify anything whileS. Meyer demonstrating your ignorance.
“[T]he campaign against Joe Biden is because of his [dementia].”
Now the statement’s accurate.
Yeah, the guy who won major concessions from McCarthy in the debt ceiling negotiation clearly has dementia.
“. . . the guy . . .”
“The guy” doesn’t do anything except stumble and mumble. The Obama minions do everything, including destroy the economy.
For sure! I can’t wait to read Jason Chaffetz’s new book. The deep state is a threat to our democracy.
” Ask yourself, would he do it again?”
I hope so because the country was in much better shape under Trump then it was under the rest of the Presidents in recent years. Biden is destroying the nation.
the country was in much better shape under Trump then it was under the rest of the Presidents in recent years. Biden is destroying the nation.
The country has been on a trajectory of self-destruction for decades. Americans did this to themselves.
GHW Bush/Clinton/GW Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden are symptoms of the rot within America
.”The country has been on a trajectory of self-destruction for decades “
Estovir, I don’t think anyone intelligent can disagree with this assessment. The funny part is that Trump said almost those exact same words for years, even when he wasn’t considering entering politics. I don’t know if you ever heard his interviews through the years, but if you have the time, you might want to listen to a few. I am not sure he wanted to enter politics when he decided to run. He always wanted to push the needle in a better direction.
Trump wasn’t my first pick. There are a lot of things about him that I wasn’t happy with. Fortunately, most of those things didn’t interfere with good policy, so while not perfect, he succeeded in moving that needle in a better direction.
On a different topic, earlier, I suggested the movie 1945 because I wanted your perspective based on your intellect and the fact that you had strong religious beliefs. It is not a religious movie but involves contemplation of a particular nature.
Thanks for the recommendation. I will unlikely watch it as I have yet to watch our family movie, Padre Pio, and that was supposed to take last weekend. I was at John Hopkins 10 days ago, came down with Bronchitis, only now feeling a tad better, and am swamped with research. So now fun anytime soon.
cheers
That is OK, but I will give you a teaser “a lean, unadorned parable about guilt and the nature and consequences of evil”
However, if you intend to watch the movie, I suggest not reading any review because it is most powerful if one goes in not knowing what to expect and lets himself survive the boredom of the early part of the film that puts one in a proper mindset. There should be no distractions or interruptions when watching this movie.
The semi-religious backdrop can be seen as a prop to explore the feelings of guilt. You will find an obvious connection
Take care of the bronchitis.
The Justice Department has done tremendous damage to itself — and, potentially, to this case — due to its prior history with Trump. FBI and Justice officials have shown open bias against him and have treated him differently than figures like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That record was further exposed recently by another special counsel, John Durham, who found that the Justice Department lacked a basis to launch the Russia-collusion investigation.
The ‘nut’ of all things DoJ/FBI
Let’s us ponder whether this attempt to “get Trump” is more about the process and less about a conviction? Additionally, is the Jan.6th “investigation” into Trump the “New and Improved” Insurance Policy to be rolled out when all else fails??
Or – is the deep state – of which the DOJ seems to be an arm – looking for a plea deal in which DJT agrees to not run for any public office?
The Durham Report put it into plain language….the FBI/DOJ KNEW there was no reason to open a full investigation but did so anyway….and continued with that investigation KNOWING it was bogus.
The New York DA’s case is clearly a political prosecution….even Professor Turley says this.
This latest DOJ/FBI scam ignores reality….in that Biden has a much worse liability under a just legal system than does Trump.
Clinton had a much worse situation than does Trump.
Then there was Pence also who had problems with some classified documents showing up.
That is only recent history…..there was Sandy Berger who got caught red handed STEALING classified documents.
Yet…it is only Trump that gets prosecuted…..now explain that without exposing how corrupt the DOJ and FBI have become and despite Wray’s promises….remains that way.
Yes….we common people have no faith in our system of justice anymore.
More importantly the FBI, DOJ, AG, and President KNOW that…..but do nothing to ferret out the corrupt individuals….and in fact remain the very people that are behind what is going on…..all in direct violation of our system of government, the Constitution and their Oath of Office.
This is not going to end well….not for any of us as the Rule of Law is the Law of the Land…..not Rule By Law.
Read the Declaration of Independence to remind yourself of what happened to set the American Colonies on the path to Nationhood…..where are we going today if we finally decide the current government has become tyrannical and must be dealt with by the People?
I am going to do my very small part in 2024 and vote for Donald J. Trump despite having said I would not.
That is step one in our path towards a more just Society….and a way to poke a virtual stick into the Democrat’s jaundiced eye.
HEAR!!! HEAR!! Ralph!!
One has to consider doing the same…hold your nose a vote for Trump…
Both agencies in question have continued on since the campaign both knowing that they lacked a legal basis to begin a investigation…
Perhaps as “We the People “ begin this journey should one consider that many of these charges were brought by several on the same legal team(The LAWFAIR GROUP)…
Also after 6 to 8 years of political/legal harassment (while campaigning,as President and after) then bringing an obstruction case among other charges when leading the sitting President in the current campaign…
And just incidentally when a bribery scandal is in the news …what is the matter with this picture???
fascism WORKS that way!
Sorry buy I won’t vote for Trump….he picks people that don’t help his cause….Barr, Wray, Pence, Comey, Fauci, etc
I am voting DeSantis…think he is better and leading his Troops!
We need to cut 50% of federal government….stop funding Democrat Fascists!
Yea, let’s vote vote for a guy that picks a fight with Micky Mouse over…should gay and lesbian people be treated with respect. Yea, let’s vote fascism every time. NOT.
“let’s vote vote for a guy that picks a fight with Micky Mouse “
It looks like Bob thinks DeSantis picked a fight with a cartoon character. He didn’t. He picked a fight with those that have no respect for parents and their children. He hasn’t reduced the rights of gays or lesbians, though perhaps in some ways he elevated them, as some of the leftist were pushing to eliminate womanhood.
Do you know what a fascist is?
“I am voting DeSantis”
DeSantis is a good man. Who you vote for in the primary is your business. I hope you will strongly support the winner of the Republican primary no matter who. A vote against Democrat fascism is a necessity to keep America free.
There are protesters with both Nazi flags and DeSantis 2024 signs outside Disney World. Good company he keeps.
Years ago, President Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. This upset many people. He did this because it was what was best for the country and for the world. This case is full of holes and is on shaky ground. This, in my view, is the DOJ and this administration spoiling for a fight. Why?
One theory is similar to the cure for a headache. Drop a concrete block on your foot and “Presto!” The headache is gone.
This is the “crisis” of the century and what an opportunity to slip things under the wire while the media is having a field day. There is an evil method to their madness.
Think of iit. The FBI and DOJ had to seek a judge at a late hour who had recused himself from an earlier case involving Trump in order to secure a search warrant. Secondly, the former President is incapable of sitting down for more than five minutes to sift through documents. Thirdly, Presidents don’t pack their own things. Even if he wanted to take classified items, if he did, all he would have to do is issue an executive order and they would be unclassified.
This is bizarre and is not unexpected from a very bizarre administration who do not have a single molecule of moral ground.
This is a time, as the saying goes, to follow the ball. This is a “crisis” that will not go to waist and not in a good way. What will happen in the months ahead will have little to do with the truth and more about advancing an agenda.,
It would have been better for the country for Nixon to have been charged and tried.
Smith is a political hack who was chosen specifically as a result of his efforts imposed on Lois Lerner to effectuate the IRS gambit. He specifically sought a legal way to nullify the Democrat party’s political opponents. He, and others of his ilk, like Andrew Weismann as example, are the reason why practitioners of the law enjoy the ‘reputation’ they have earned. From the looks of things, there are more of same in the womb of academia.
“Smith is a political hack who was chosen specifically as a result of his efforts imposed on Lois Lerner to effectuate the IRS gambit.”
It’s gruesomely fascinating how the Left hopes the public will “memory-hole” a man’s or a party’s history of corruption.
This time they’ve gone too far.
In the end, the dumbest thing to come out of the Trump years are the 40% of Americans (progressive clowns) that still believe the collusion stupidity
Good point! Sadly, the mainstream media has been complicit. Are we expecting an unenlightened populace to grasp the gravity of the situation that the country faces? Wake up, America?
Parsing out the vicissitudes of the indictment is merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. We need Trump to dislodge Biden and prevent WW3 with Russia and China over Ukraine and globalism. Trump’s is the only voice of sanity over American adventurism in foreign affairs. Whether you love or hate Trump you have to acknowledge that he is the counterbalance to woke. And woke is leading us headlong to literal Armageddon.
mespo…..Absolutely correct!
Mespo, Well said!
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