There is an interesting debate unfolding around the country in the aftermath of the Supreme Court barring the use of race in college admissions. For decades, colleges and universities have sought to downplay the weight given to race in court while insisting that it was one of a number of factors used in maintaining diversity. Now, however, schools are insisting that, without considering race, minority admissions will plummet.
During the Supreme Court oral arguments over affirmative action, Harvard’s counsel Seth Waxman struggled with an argument that race consideration was needed to maintain current admissions for minorities. Yet, he also maintained that it was not a major factor and that the consideration of race with regard to Asian students produced only a “slight disparity” and “had no effect with respect to outcomes.”
It was no easy argument. As in past cases, the Court was assured that it was just one of a number of “tips” that was not substantial in the decisions. Yet, after the Court barred the use of race criteria, schools are now arguing that it will make a massive difference and substantially reduce minority admissions.
Since the 1970s, the Supreme Court has ruled that race could not be a determinative or major factor in admissions. In Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, the Court ruled against affirmative action. In his plurality decision, then-Justice Lewis F. Powell Jr. stopped short of barring the use of race in admissions entirely. Instead, he cited Harvard University’s admissions policy as an example of how race can be one of a number of diversity elements.
In the 2003 decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, the Court upheld Michigan’s use of race but then-Justice Sandra Day O’Connor cautioned that the court “expects that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.” That was 20 years ago.
Since that time, universities have insisted that they only use race as one of many factors and that it does not carry the determinative weight rejected in Bakke. For decades, universities and colleges maintained this difficult line of downplaying the importance of race in admissions.
However, even the limited use of racial classifications continued to divide the Court for decades. In 2017, Chief Justice John Roberts declared: “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
In his decision last week, Roberts noted that minority students could still raise their own individual struggle with racial discrimination in essays, but that schools cannot employ threshold classifications to give an advantage or disadvantage because of race.
Many of us support efforts to maintain diverse classes and see the value of such diversity in the education process. I have found economic diversity to be one of the most important elements to my classes. Students who come from lower income families often have a sharply different view on many of the issues that we discuss in our classes.
Yet, it is the frank discussion of the racial criteria that is so interesting in the aftermath of the decision. Many now insist that racial criteria was determinative in a large number of applications. The latest was State University of New York (SUNY) system Chancellor John B. King, Jr. who gave a strikingly conflicted account on NPR that was not challenged in the interview.
On Friday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” King stated that an admissions process based only on individual merit would result in “fewer black and Latino students on campuses.” Yet, at the same time, he insisted that use of individual merit alone would not impact white or Asian students.
He told host Steve Inskeep:
“Yeah. Again, I think they’re misrepresenting how the admissions process works. There are policies at Harvard, for example, where students are admitted because they are legacies, because they’re one of multiple generations in their family to go to Harvard. There are students who are admitted because they’re a tuba player. There are students who are admitted because they’re great lacrosse players. And so, there [are] a range of factors as universities try to build a diverse class.”
King then emphasized “by removing the tool of race-conscious admissions, the evidence is it results in fewer black and Latino students on campuses.”
Of course, a minority student who plays the tuba can still get that “tip” with other indications of individual merit separate from racial classifications. Minority students clearly have similar “tips” based on individual merit from achievements in tuba to tennis to trigonometry. If the factor was given no more weight than a tuba talent, one would think that the drop in admissions would not be as severe given a myriad of other qualifications or tips in applications.
Soon after the decision, California Gov. Gavin Newsom objected to the ruling in saying that admitting students solely based on their individual merits, without considering race, would result in a massive drop in minority admissions.
Likewise, over at The Nation, Elie Mystal insisted that, without factoring in race, minority admissions always drop: “In California, which ended its affirmative action policies over 25 years ago, the studies show that, without affirmative action, Black enrollment plummets, Latino enrollment plummets.” He insisted that this was a victory for “mediocre white people.”
[Mystal later attacked Justice Thomas on MSNBC, describing Thomas as a “mutilated version of a black justice” who just did whatever his wife, who is white, tells him to do. Rather than accept that Thomas holds opposing constitutional views, Mystal insisted “he doesn’t want to see anything that Ms. Ginni tells him he shouldn’t be able to see.”]
The difference between the arguments and the aftermath of the affirmative action decision is striking. What was presented as a relative modest “tip” based on race to the Court is now being presented as a huge factor in admissions. If left to individual merit, advocates and administrators now insist that that minority admissions will sharply decline and white/Asian admissions will rise.
Nevertheless, King insists that such determinative use of race had no negative impact on white or Asian students while insisting that the number of admissions for white or Asian students will increase substantially when only individual merit is accessed.
That was all to explain why people just do not understand “how the admissions process works.”
I think we are focusing on the wrong issue.
It is not AA being used for entry into colleges and universities.
It is why minorities cannot get in to colleges and universities based on their merit.
Public education has failed them.
It is failing us all.
College is seen as a rite of passage. Additionally college student loans (backed by the US Dept of Education) are granted to all who apply, no questions asked. Better for kids to have career goals firmly decided before attending college, and then seek financial means to realize those goals, i.e. have some skin in the game
An undergraduate upper level science professor told me recently that as many as 75% of the students in college, particularly the sciences, have no business being there. Yet they are because it propagates the idea as the Left as their messiahs.
UpstateFarmer
“It is why minorities cannot get in to colleges and universities based on their merit.”
You accidentally hit on the truth without intending to. There are plenty of qualified minorities worthy of admittance, this has been true since W.E.B. Du Bois entered Harvard in 1990. The other side to being qualified is being let it. First major colleges didn’t let them in at all, then many waited until court rulings and threats against federal funding required them to.
Think you meant 1890?
I believe you are correct.
Simple typo.
It’s Pres. Biden simply following up his recent remark about the war we fought in 1960.
Yes, I did, thanks!
It’s true that some colleges USED to turn away qualified applicants based on race but that hasn’t been the case for decades. Universities now compete fiercely for the most qualified minorities and then end up having to lower their standards when considering minority applicants so that the student body will still reflect a certain percentage from various groups. I remember reading maybe a dozen years ago about the U of Michigan Law School’s admission process. At that time, the mean GPA and LSAT of the recent classes was very high, almost Ivy-League level. Meanwhile, the number of black applicants with those qualifications, in the entire US, was fewer than the number of slots that UM had hoped to fill with minorities in their upcoming class. In other words, UM would gladly have offered admission to ALL of the country’s top-performing black student applicants—leaving every other top-tier law school with no similarly qualified applicants.
I’m not a Leftist but I do see that something is horribly systemically broken in our society, particularly in our pubic education system, that is failing kids who grow up in distressed neighborhoods and go to crappy schools where they are surrounded by students who also come from distressed families. Making progress in fixing these social and political problems is HARD and there’s no magic bullet. It’s much easier to scream about the low numbers of qualified minority applicants at the end of the pipeline, and pretend that the admissions office is filled with racists who are inexplicably turning away smart kids who are capable of doing well in college, just because these qualified kids aren’t white or something.
Busing to achieve a racial balance and affirmative action was supposed to have fixed all that. Guess what!
If universities are open to merit, color doesn’t count; character does. Many alternatives may be better for a person unable to get into the college of their choice and may be better. If a specific goal, such as medical school, is the sole desire, one can up their game by getting further education in science and then applying.
I hope Enigma realizes that one group had a cap on medical school admissions in the 20th century. Many thought that group made excellent physicians because only the top of the top could get in.
It wquldn’t surprise me that Harvard admitted DuBois in 1990. He was a socialist who became a Communist which is just what modern Harvard wants. I’ve never heard of them admitting a dead man before but maybe they did. Actually, colleges and universities have been admitting blacks all along. West Point admitted it’s first black appointee in the 1870s and possibly before, although none graduated until 1877. Blacks seem to have preferred historically black schools, such as Howard, Fisk, Hampton and Morehouse. They shied away from Tuskegee because DuBois didn’t like George Washington Carver.
semcgowanjr
“There may have been a time, 50 years ago, when we needed to affirmatively take steps to correct long-term racial bias in institutions of higher education. But I can tell you as the father of three college graduates, those days are long over,” — Mike Pence
Fifty years ago, America was just beginning to desegregate its schools, including institutions of higher learning. This is despite the Brown v. Board of Education ruling almost twenty years earlier. Many major colleges didn’t accept Black students until the 1960s and only because of court orders ordering them to do so, the University of Tennessee in 1961, the University of Florida in 1962, Furman University in 1965, the University of Georgia in 1961, Bob Jones University in 1975, and The Citadel in 1966. The University of Texas opened its doors to a few Black students in 1956. In 1962, Black students at UT invited Martin Luther King, JR to help them fully integrate the school, which didn’t include them in all activities.
I went to Fisk, though I had many other options and was heavilly recruited to white schools because I was a National Merit Semifinalist. Your statement about Black preference for HBCUs totally disregards that they mostly had little choice for higher education.
“Public education has failed them.”
Yet, the same people supporting DEI want to abolish charter schools in NYC. Charter schools in NYC have prepared many children for college so they can enter on their merit. Additionally, public school is supposed to prepare children to become good working citizens without any further degrees. Children should develop the work ethic necessary to further their education, and college need not be part of that extended education process.
Businesses need to be involved in the education of their workforce. We moved business aside, reducing apprenticeship and substituting state-financed advanced education, which is costly and frequently ineffective, doubling the costs of educating a person for a specific career.
I have hired many people and chosen based on training, but more importantly, based on their work ethic. If there is a work ethic, everyone can succeed, and they don’t even need a college degree.
S. Meyer,
Well said.
Studies have shown schools that focus on DEI, their students score lower in the basics.
Good point about state-financed advanced education. Who benefits?
The higher-education industrial complex.
If my children were not already out in the world on their own, I would encourage them to take up a skills career.
Upstate, you hit the nail on the head. If there is a problem with minority students having the merit to get into the best schools the question that needs to be asked is how are our schools letting minority kids down. How is it that the majority of minority kids attend public schools in our largest cities, schools administered by liberal/Democrat union teachers in liberal/Democrat run cities? Why do the libs/Dems fail to meet the needs of our minority students time and time again? In fact the scores in our cities are going down in recent years all as the union Libs and the Dem Libs fight and fight to deny vouchers and more charter schools to help these kids in need.
HullBobby,
Well said.
As we have seen, Democrat ran cities, with large minority populations, continue to fail their school systems.
Republicans are constantly underfunding public education. Especially in minority regions.
Got proof of that?
Or just spewing out leftists talking points again?
Seems to me, Republicans are the ones for school choice and charters schools.
Both would be funding public education.
See how that works?
School choice does not mean it’s a choice available to minorities or low income students. School choice has produced more segregated schools. Republican state legislatures are often the first to cut funding to public schools or offer school choice so better off students can go to charter schools or have cheaper tuition at private schools they already attend.
Studies have shown school choice increases segregation and those stuck at public schools are the ones who can’t compete on merit alone. They are being systematically railroaded into mediocre education at the expense of others.
“School choice does not mean it’s a choice available to minorities or low income students. School choice has produced more segregated schools.”
School choice in NYC, that Democrats and the teacher’s union fight against, have produced a lot of Blacks and Latino’s that attend college on their own merit. Yet the left produces segregation in colleges. You lack knowledge and critical thinking skills. Character over color!
You could not be more wrong about that.
I saw it first hand with a black co-worker who got her son into a charter school in New Orleans.
Guess who else was there, poor whites.
And there was a long waiting list to get into those charter schools. It was the best chance they had to get out of poverty and into college.
She was quite passionate about it. She was a single mother, knew she made mistakes young but with the help of her parents the child seemed to have his head on straight. I would not want to cross her!
Interesting, that isn’t the case in the area I live in Florida, Republican Board of Commissioners (100%), Republican School Board (75%) and Republican majority County 80%. Public School grad levels and proficiency exam levels at 90% passing. Your accusation is a false flag OP.
“Of the 100 largest public school systems (based on enrollment), the six that spent the most per pupil in FY 2019 were the New York City School District in New York ($28,004), Boston City Schools in Massachusetts ($25,653), Washington Schools in the District of Columbia ($22,406),”
Regardless, no one is claiming NYC is turning out the most educated graduates.
The very latest assessment saw 100’s of schools that failed to produce a single student performing at grade level.
“Racial discrimination then. Racial discrimination now. Racial discrimination forever!”
The unchangeable position of the KKK. And Ivy League universities.
But I repeat myself.
https://www.ivycoach.com/2022-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/
BROWN Ivy League
In the Regular Decision round, 96% of admitted students are in the top 10% of their high school classes. 49% identify as students of color. 64% intend to apply for financial aid.
YOU’RE RIGHT, 49% COLORED IS CUTTING EM SHORT……
Admitted students hail from 1,685 high schools, 48 states (California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Texas are the most represented), as well as 76 nations around our world (China, India, the UK, Canada, and Singapore are the most represented). While intended majors can surely change once students matriculate, the top ten intended majors for Brown’s admitted students to the Class of 2022 are: engineering, computer science, biology, political science, biochemistry and molecular biology, economics, BEO (business, entrepreneurship and organizations), international relations, neuroscience, and English.
Read more about the Brown Early Decision and Brown Regular Decision pools for the Class of 2022.
Should major sports leagues go by our racial make up? Right now there is no affirmative action. Every coaching staff wants the best athletes they can get.
Independent Bob: Your point is well taken. But major sports leagues are in the business of playing and winning at sports.
What are institutions of higher learning in the business for?
Assume, arguendo, that one of the owners of a sports team wants his non-athletic son on the team. He offers a large $ sum to the team, akin to a legacy donation. But the son is quite mediocre during sports drills. Which is more important to the team, the large donation or a national conference trophy?
“Capitalism is also vilified as the greatest evil….
Williams College offers a course titled “Racial Capitalism” that “will interrogate the ways in which capitalist economies have ‘always and everywhere’ relied upon forms of racist domination and exclusion.” Amherst College surveys “Race and American Capitalism” and “our present day reality of deeply rooted, and racialized, economic inequality.” Brown University offers a course glorifying dictators Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, placing them “among the twentieth century’s most iconic figures.” “https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/campus-watchdog-issues-list-of-outrageous-college-courses
Are we paying $60K a year to educate them in the arts and sciences, inter alia, or to make them social warriors (irrespective of their ability to achieve a competitive level in BASIC academic subjects)????? What were we teaching those AA minorities?
Lin,
“What were we teaching those AA minorities?”
That is not teaching.
That is indoctrination.
Upstate Farmer: Your comment at 9:57 is one of the best here so far. A truism if there ever was one.
Lin, the Brown’s, Harvard’s MIT’s and Stanford’s ertainly want to be perceived as attracting the best candidates which you would think would produce the best graduates. If the bulk of their student body is not the best and brightest, then what’s the big whoop about these institutions. I mean isn’t there a certain amount of competition to attract these students.
Just another election war cry for the Dems, minorities in college whether they can pass or fail, free college even for illegals, student loan forgiveness, identity as xx or xy whatever. They’ll have their crew on every campus harvesting votes.
Quite honestly, I find Gavin Newsom’s comment racist on its face. If he believes minorities cannot compete on merit, then why is that not a racist statement?
Has this country been this divided along racial grounds since the 1860s? I grew up in the civil rights era and I don’t recall such anger and division.
It’s the bigotry of low expectations that the Left has traded in for years.
mespo727272: Moreover, it is the standardization and normalizing of low expectations that the Left has traded in for years.
How about 2 of your regulars that screamed here jews are the smartest so they deserve thousand percent over representation ivy league admission that they do have.
Is that jewish supremacist ?
YES IT IS.
Also, the right, the far right the alt right the conservative the libertarian the populist have all been screaming Asains are gettting replaced by affirmative action… so I GO CHECK THE REAL STATISTICS.
Asians are 20%, sometimes 22% of ivy league, according to the Ivy Leagues.
Guess whom is really the minority vs their percentage of US population…
THE WHITE PEOPLE. The highest they have is 43% at Princeton.
SO WHILE YOU ALL BLABBER FOR ALL THE VARIOUS COLOREDS AND NOT WHITE GOD FEARING FOUNDER AMERICANS, YOU INCLUDE JEWS (SEMITES AND ASHKENAZI) BLACKS BROWNS PACIFIC ISLANDERS
HISPANIC LATINO INDIAN AMERICAN NATIVE AND ON AND ON AND ON….
GUESS WHO YOU ALL FORGOT ?
WHITE PEOPLE – WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY UNDER REPRESENTED IN IVY LEAGUE ADMISSIONS, STAFF AND STUDENT BODY……
“CONGRATULATIONS !!! “
There’s a kid’s game called “Spot the Difference.” See if you’re smarter than a child:
tuba player, lacrosse player, race.
I’m still having trouble spotting the difference between a Dim and a Jackarse..
The dissents in the AA case speak for this country’s elite, especially in the educational establishment. They are what Thomas Sowell long ago called the “anointed.” The latest justification for their views on race is critical race theory and its positing of structural or institutional racism, which explains statistical disparities between racial groups as the inevitable outcome of systemic racism — racism without racists. Until the entire society is completely overhauled in some never articulated way, power will need to be exercised on the basis of race to ensure racial balance in every institution where the “disempowered” are “underrepresented”. This is the underlying premise of DEI, which is now deeply embedded in all of our institutions, and is the all-of-government policy of the Biden administration.
Justice Thomas’s critique of Jackson’s dissent ought to be required reading in every institution throughout the land. It will take more than this one decision to purge this malignant ideology. A critical next step is for a courageous Republican to gain control of the executive branch and to eliminate all Federal set-aside programs, all distributions of benefits that take race into account and the funding of all institutions that have DEI-type officers, including K-12 schools. These are now all presumptively unconstitutional.
Daniel:
It’s the one opinion in my lifetime that encapsulates the idiocy of the Left and decimates its central tenet. Namely that we are weak, the government is strong and we should worship that strength. Required reading indeed as is Roberts opinion. Self-government isn’t for the faint-hearted. Thanks Daniel for saying what I should have.
I also think one should read Jackson’s response to Thomas in a footnote of her opinion (153 I think).
Yes, it’s note 103. Just doubles down.
Daniel, I think the two justices are talking past each other — as the 103 footnote (thanks) generally says — Thomas is responding to a dissent I did not write and a UNC program it did not craft.
Daniel, thanks for the reference of Jackson’s footnote #103.
Jackson, who wasn’t and still is not able to define a woman, shows her lack of intellectual gravitas in footnote 103, as well as in her entire opinion. She wrote in #103:
JUSTICE THOMAS’s opinion also demonstrates an obsession with race consciousness that far outstrips my or UNC’s holistic understanding that race can be a factor that affects applicants’ unique life experiences. How else can one explain his detection of “an organizing principle based on race,” a claim that our society is “fundamentally racist,” and a desire for Black “victimhood” or racial “silo[s],” ante, at 49–52, in this dissent’s approval of an admissions program that advances all Americans’ shared pursuit of true equality by treating race “on par with” other aspects of identity, supra, at 18? JUSTICE THOMAS ignites too many more straw men to list, or fully extinguish, here.
As I proved 2 days ago on this forum that Jackson was raised as a privileged girl in a wealthy white neighborhood in Pinecrest, Miami, and attended a magnet school for wealthy white kids, she is a daughter of a University of Miami / Miami Dade Public Schools attorney (father) and Miami’s elite magnet school admin (mother). She has no standing in discussing the lived hardship of blacks, never mind to lecture Clarence Thomas. Hubris by no other name.
Jackson’s opinion starts with referencing books that are foundational texts where the Left demonstrates an obsession with race consciousness. Her very first referenced citation is to the foundational race based policies textbook entitled “Disrupting the Racial Wealth Gap” by Melvin L. Oliver and Thomas M. Shapiro. Melvin L. Oliver, black PhD level, career left wing academic admin, was President of an elite private, ultra selective, rich college known as Pitzer College, with less than 5% black student body. Thomas Shapiro, white PhD level sociologist, is faculty at the prestigious Jewish institution, Brandeis University with 6% black student body. His area of specialization, per his faculty page is, wait for it, “Racial inequality and public policy”!!!
Jackson’s other cited work is Iranian-American attorney, Mehrsa Baradaran’s “The Color of Money: Black Banking and the Racial Wealth Gap” which, per Wikipedia “explores how a racially-segregated financial system built and maintained the racial wealth gap, inspired Netflix to commit $100 million to support Black communities.[30]”
Talk about Jackson demonstrates an obsession with race consciousness who never experienced black hardship like Clarence Thomas nor Thomas Sowell. Naturally Clarence Thomas cites Sowell numerous times in his opinion considering Sowell is the most respected black economist in the world, and has authored more than 45 books.
Either Jackson is immensely stupid since she cant define the word “woman” or she is a lying ideologue with little intellectual heft unlike Elena Kagan. Either way she should be removed from SCOTUS since Sotomayor has already taken the slot of unintelligent, token quota filler.
JUSTICE THOMAS ignites too many more straw men to list, or fully extinguish, here
No, sweetheart, you’re just a liar.
LOL
Except for white people, and mostly for jews in the opposite or get in direction.
Ivy League Admissions Statistics Class of 2022
Ivy Coach
https://www.ivycoach.com › 2022-ivy-league-admissi…
An all-time record 15.5% of admitted students in the overall pool are African American. 12.2% of admits are Latino (up from 11.6% for the Class of 2021). Native …
Sounds great, except they don’t include WHITE PEOPLE.
That race is trampled under and no one notices, all short in admissions. ALL SHORT SONNY.
“Many of us support efforts to maintain diverse classes and see the value of such diversity in the education process.”
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Precisely why professors of anything shouldn’t run things. Diversity of some college class is not more important than treating American citizens equally under the law. Carve that in Latin above the damn college gate. Lewis Powell gave us this civilization killing notion that permeated every aspect of society. Meritocracies survive; sentimentalist societies don’t. They just decay.while its professors fret about it.
In my own personal work experience, once you allow race or ethnicity as a determinate factor in hiring or promotion it effectively becomes the ONLY factor that really matters. The negative reaction of may college admissions directors to the SCOTUS decision would certainly seem to confirm this. Thank you, Jonathan, for an excellent article.
the coloreds already have an absolute majority guy in the ivy leagues
Whites are totally discriminated against and can’t put out a single score in the ivy league anywhere near equal to their us pop percentage !
While all you fools argued blibber blabber, WHITE PEOPLE WERE TROUNCED OUT TO UNDER REPPED MINORITY STATUS IN EVERY SINGE IVY LEAGUE…
Congrats.
The Left is basically admitting that their schools are failing and minorities don’t cut it. But instead of offering solutions to the real problems, they want to paper over them and change the game. The message they’re sending to minorities is: Don’t bother striving for academic excellence, just get through life on your skin color. And don’t worry, in exchange for your vote and your big mouth, the Democratic party will have your back.
Amen GioCon.
The left’s version of leveling the playing field is to lower the bar. No zeros for not turning in work, no failing grades, and passing students on to the next grade when it is obvious that they are well below grade level. School administrations in K-12 systems do whatever is necessary to have their school look good and that means polishing a rotten apple at the expense of the students. Teachers complain to their administrator’s deaf ears.
Calling them administrators is wrong, they are party apparatchiks pushing and ideological agenda in return for their pay at taxpayer’s expense.
quotes from https://www.througheducation.com/how-does-grading-on-a-curve-work/
If you weren’t always lying it wouldn’t be so difficult to keep your story straight.
“[T]here [are] a range of factors as universities try to build a diverse class.”
“There are a range of factors I use to determine who my customers are,” declared the restaurant owner. “Can the person pay. Are they dressed appropriately. Their race.”
Guess what, restaurant owner — and admissions officer: You are a racist.
If minorities can’t get into college on merit, how are they going to make it through 4 years? That’s when the dominoes start to fall: lower grades and drop all other meritocratic standards so the people who were pushed into these universities unfairly can now graduate, unfairly, and the university can boast about its “diversity.” And just FYI: great tuba and lacrosse players weren’t born that way — they worked their butts off to achieve something. How does that compare with getting perks for being born black?
A very important sentence in the good professor’s piece:
“If left to individual merit, advocates and administrators now insist that minority admissions will sharply decline and white/Asian admissions will rise.”
Oh the shame!
Added to this, so many education institutions now grade “on a curve,” i.e., relative to how your fellow students fared, compared to you.
If left to individual merit, advocates and administrators now insist that that minority admissions will sharply decline and white/Asian admissions will rise.
“Test scores used to be fairly simple. If a teacher gives a hundred-item exam and you get 80 questions right, you get a B-. Get a 93, and you get an A-. And if you perfect the score, you get a 100% or an A,” whereas, “Grading on a curve means that you (as a student) and your grade in an exam is relative to the grades of your classmates.”
As I said yesterday, let’s just admit it. Many, many Black males (and females) are admitted to universities/colleges because of their athletic prowess, not their achievements in spelling bees or math tests. How has that helped America achieve academic achievement or excellence?
Re:” Now, however, schools are insisting that, without considering race, minority admissions will plummet..” Well that pretty much speaks to the qualifications of the candidates who were being selected, doesn’t it. Well there go the student loan slush fund. All those bloated middle management administrators will have to go. Gear up K-12 across the country,, get the union grip off the throat of the nation’s school systems, incentivize charter schools, recognize merit, encourage achievement, remediate needs. Make it possible for each student maximize the potential of their genetic gifts accepting the fact that there ARE differences. It’s time for feel-good virtue-seeking social justice engineers to accept the fact that not everyone is a Carl Sagan and that students are just going to have to deal with it, There are winners and losers in this world and not everyone is entitled to a medal. Stop lowering the wall to raise the floor. .
Oh, another jew name drop. Not surprised.
This is the very heart of my argument about the Legal profession. It is clear (and has been to me for awhile) that Lawyers consistently provide mowing false information to the Court. They do this under the guise of “vigorously representing their clients”. This practice has gone unchallenged by the Courts and without consequence to the attorneys. This has led to a clearly crisis situation in the American justice system as now Prosecutors, Law Enforcement and Intel Legal representatives have moved to this tactic in an effort to win the case at all cost. It is apparent, even at least 2 of the current SCOTUS Justices are now using this tactic in their opinions and until Justice Thomas and Chief Justice Roberts recent challenge to this behavior was heading in a bold and dangerous direction.
Could someone please explain to me what benefit we, as a society, have derived from forced diversity? Surely there is an objective fact that demonstrates how beneficial it has been but for the life of me I cannot think of a single one.
honestlawyermostly: None whatsoever. Diversity (as in, divisions among people) makes us weaker…but it makes the Democrat party stronger as it plays off one group against another and promises perks down the line.
Brace yourself, Gio.
The African continent is regarded as the cradle of modern humans and African genomes contain more genetic variation than those from any other continent, yet only a fraction of the genetic diversity among African individuals has been surveyed
Choudhury A, et al. High-depth African genomes inform human migration and health. Nature. 2020 Oct;586(7831):741-748. doi: 10.1038/s41586-020-2859-7.
Consistent with the evidence that the root of the human mtDNA phylogenetic tree is in Africa, initial studies of genomic diversity indicated that Africans have the highest levels of diversity among any living population 12 as well as extensive population substructure; a study of genome-wide microsatellite DNA variation in more than 3,000 Africans identified 14 ancestral population clusters that correlate broadly with geography, culture and language…
The dispersal of anatomically modern humans out of Africa (Figs 2 and and3),3), a notable event in human evolutionary history, left a strong signature on the genetic variation of all non-African populations, including lower levels of diversity 29 and higher levels of linkage disequilibrium 30.
Nielsen R, et al. Tracing the peopling of the world through genomics. Nature. 2017 Jan 18;541(7637):302-310. doi: 10.1038/nature21347.
TL;DR:
Non-Africans have lower levels of diversity which lead to inbreeding and higher rates of mutations
Africans have more diversity amongst themselves which results in diverse physiology, behaviors, thinking and values.
All this means Leftist / Marxist black Americans are lying. Kentaji Jackson Brown would likely be an outlier amongst true Africans since she, who can not define “woman”, is monolithic in her talking points which is more aligned to non-Africans
Follow the science!
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You’re citing out of favor “science”. Out of Africa is also out of favor, and the partisan “most diversity” is as well.
Neanderthals, 2.5% of non african modern human dna, not part of out of africa theory, and don’t forget the denisovans – yet another wrench thrown in the works.
https://www.edge.org/conversation/christopher_stringer-rethinking-out-of-africa
also google: ” Are humans of different races 99.9 genetically similar to each other?
Race and human genetic variation
There is broad consensus across the biological and social sciences that race is a social construct, not an accurate representation of human genetic variation. Humans are remarkably genetically similar, sharing approximately 99.9% of their genetic code with one another. ”
Also, a banana, do you recall our recent past ?
“At the moment, I’m looking again at the whole question of a recent African origin for modern humans—the leading idea over the last 20 years. This argues that we had a recent African origin, that we came out of Africa, and that we replaced all of the other human forms that were outside of Africa. But we’re having to re-evaluate that now because genetic data suggest that the modern humans who came out of Africa about 60,000 years ago probably interbred with Neanderthals, first of all, and then some of them later on interbred with another group of people called the Denisovans, over in south eastern Asia.
If this is so, then we are not purely of recent African origin. We’re mostly of recent African origin, but there was contact with these other so-called species. We’re having to re-evaluate the Out-of-Africa theory, and we’re having to re-evaluate the species concepts we apply, because in one view of thinking, species should be self-contained units. They don’t interbreed with other species. However, for me, the whole idea of Neanderthals as a different species is really a recognition of their separate evolutionary history—the fact that we can show that they evolved through time in a particular direction, distinct from modern humans, and they separated maybe 400,000 years ago from our lineage. And morphologically we can distinguish a relatively complete Neanderthal fossil from any recent human. ”
Of note, the other “so called species” (since interbreeding is confirmed) are NOT EXPLAINED AS OUT OF AFRICA.
So, already “white” humans are outside of africa. Not african humans.
LOL
Science lies a lot for political reasons.
the words used by our woke masters, won’t be defined by the masters.
Diversity is not the goal,
Using Blacks as the cudgel to advance a leftist dictatorship is the goal. Every discussion ends, when conservatives point out decades of radical leftist policies. Standing up for free speech….you are now a racists. Value human rights…you are now racist…etc
Better watch it pal! With insights like this that cut the heart out of leftist dogma, you will soon get a visit from an FBI SWAT team.
Yep!!
Do private universities have the freedom to pick and choose who attends these schools?
Bob, Artists cant choose what the create….according to the radical left.
Iowan, I think all I’m saying is throw out the government. Let private colleges and universities decide who attends them. There will be some institutions that may strictly choose their students by academic ability. If we’re talking diversity let the institutions choose their own path without any social engineering.
Independent Bob,
There is an interesting idea.
Problem is, leftists cannot stand the idea of not having control over others. They would try to force some kind of DEI on a college that focused on meritocracy.
Or, they would just call them racists.
Upstate, you had to bring me back to reality. Rats.
Bob, I know where you are coming from. But we have seen these things evolve. Simple things turn into “rights” Abortion, health care, education,. Other things like speech, bearing arms, become sacrifices to the greater good.