The Internet has erupted over another reposting by former president Donald Trump. Trump reposted a supporter’s “fantasy” of executing a citizen’s arrest of Judge Arthur Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James. It was described as a fantasy but it remains a dangerous (and uninformed) suggestion that some could easily take seriously. That is particularly the case after the reckless attacks of Trump on critics as “vermin” and pledging to go after them if reelected.
A Trump supporter posted:
MY FANTASY 👇😁
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LITITIA JAMES AND JUDGE ENGORON PLACED UNDER CITIZENS ARREST FOR BLATANT ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND HARASSMENT.
Trump reposted the statement.
Just in case anyone is taking such a statement as more than a fantasy, there is no basis for a citizen’s arrest and such an effort to physically hold either the judge or the attorney general would most certainly constitute a criminal act.
Citizen arrests have been recognized since Medieval times when citizens had not just a right but a duty to to respond to a “hue and cry” of others identifying a criminal and seeking help. Indeed, the Statute of Winchester states that citizens should “follow them with all the town and the towns near, with hue and cry from town to town until that they be taken and delivered to the sheriff.”
The right still exists for any felonies (or certain misdemeanors committed in the presence of the citizen). For example, under California’s Section 837:
A private person may arrest another:
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For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.
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When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
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When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
Neither of these individuals have committed such an offense. I have been critical of Attorney General James for this case and her running on a pledge to bag Trump if elected. I have also criticized this New York law. However, it is the law of the state and there does appear to be over-valued properties. The effort to bar Trump from business in New York and impose hundreds of millions in damages is excessive, but it is not a crime.
Without such a privilege, an attempt to arrest would likely constitute battery as well as other crimes under New York law.
This year, the New York Senate again moved to eliminate citizen’s arrest in the state.
Once again, this was a statement of a fantasy that was reposted. However, it is part of an escalation of rhetoric by Trump. I have long criticized the former president for such rhetoric. It obviously appeals to many, but others are likely repelled by the pitch of a type of revenge term to hunt down “vermin.”
There is obviously rage on both sides and personal attacks (including President Biden reportedly calling one of his critics a “pr**k” this week and attacking Trump supporters as enemies of the Republic). Both parties are seeking to enrage their supporters while denouncing the other party as fueling rage.
These leaders are throwing matches at a tinderbox and people of good faith need to call out these leaders for such inflammatory rhetoric.
No actually Mr. Turley, people need to call out Letitia James and Judge Engoron for criminal behavior which is what this is. Your pseudo nonpartisanship is getting as old as it is transparent.
Call them out, certainly. Assault and kidnap, though?
Anonymous-Cretin: Show me where Trump said the words “assault” and “kidnap”?
Okay, I know you can’t do that, but I just wanted to get your lies out of the way. By the way, do you ever tell the truth, even by accident?
When discussing James and Engoron, however, as David DePape put it . . .
If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out danger
I’d hammer out a warning
I’d hammer out love between
My brothers and my sisters, ah-ah
All over this land
TURLEY IS WRONG HERE & FORBES JIST CALLED HIM OUT FOR IT:
“ New York’s law for citizen’s arrest allows any person to arrest another person if they’ve committed a felony, or “for any offense” when the offender has committed the crime in the presence of the person carrying out the arrest. The state Senate passed a bill to abolish the citizen’s arrest statute earlier this year, calling it a “dangerous and historically abused practice,” but the legislation has not made it through the state Assembly. Law professor Jonathan Turley, who’s been critical of James in the past, wrote Tuesday in response to Trump’s reposting that “there is no basis for a citizen’s arrest and such an effort to physically hold either the judge or the attorney general would most certainly constitute a criminal act.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/11/14/trump-shares-suggestion-for-ny-judge-and-attorney-general-to-face-citizens-arrest-latest-attack-during-fraud-trial/?sh=176dedb67de3
Valuation of properties, in this regard I differ from Professor Turley’s quote “…and there does appear to be over-valued properties…” how can you as an individual ascertain valuation of the Trump’s organization. The statement is nothing more than an assumption without foundation or comparative analysis. As an example, valuation of holdings in Florida, there are similar properties with exponentially higher valuations. With just a back of the envelope check of properties for sale in area I found a 10,000 sq ft house in Boca Raton on +/- ½ acre for $44.9 million. The courts in NY have valued Mar-A-Largo at [? $16.9 million?], who’s kidding who.
On to NY and other properties, valuations are subjective in nature until there is a sale, example I might desire to sell my property I own in Tim Buck Two at $10 and have it listed, if there is a down market I may only get $9 or less, but if there is a seller’s market I may encounter a bidding war and get $11 or more even though I only listed the property for $10. As for valuation to obtain a loan there isn’t any lender foolish enough to loan their asset (money) without substantial proof of claimed worth or ability to pay. That in my opinion is the slippery sloop the courts are in, subjective valuations of assets that both the lenders and borrowers agreed too without a default.
All good points, George! Real property is not fungible.
Correctimundo. The rules for preparing Trump’s personal financial statements require that assets, including real estate, be listed at the price that they “could be sold” for.
Therefore, if the legal team of James and Engoron (and they are a legal team) actually followed the law, they would have to prove that Trump’s assets could not be sold at the amounts he stated on his personal financial statements. But James-Engoron failed to do that at any point in time and have merely proposed knowingly false “alternative valuations.”
For example, as you suggest, the James-Engoron legal team acutally asserted that Mar-a-Lago is “valued” at its “assessed value.” But anyone who knows anything about real estate knows that assessed value is a mere fraction of market value. It would not be unusual for exclusive real estate like Mar-a-Lago to sell at substantial double-digit multiples of the property’s assessed value. The James-Engoron legal team are bald-faced-liars.
Assessed value is less than real value when it comes to fat rich pig properties, not the general public.
For the general public properties are assessed at equal or slightly higher rates than their sale value.
The big scandal isn’t Trump’s valuation or the corrupt freak called a judge, it is the lack of taxes paid by the big fat rich pigs on their properties yearly.
It may be true that taxes levied at actual sale value would be too high for the market to support the high prices in sales, but that of course is the very reason for the discrepancy. So the big fat pigs can juggle around their excesses between each other and keep most of it in the process.
Everyone dances around the truth and babbles, endlessly. It’s so pathetic.
I pay about 4% property tax yearly.
For MaraLago 4 percent of half a billion is 20 million in yearly property taxes.
2023 Mar-a-Lago generated a property tax obligation of 600 thousand.
That is about one tenth of one percent per year, or ONE FORTIETH OF WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON PAYS.
So this is the reason there exists the big discrepancy to begin with. The big rich fat cats aren’t going to pay like the little people, PERIOD.
Assessed value is less than real value when it comes to fat rich pig properties, not the general public.
For the general public properties are assessed at equal or slightly higher rates than their sale value.
Shakdi, property taxes in California are assessed at 1% of the purchase price with a cap of 2% annual increase. When I purchased my home, the assessed value was $160k below the appraised value. Good to know I qualify as a fat rich pig property. 🤣
Keep laughing, you’re in the mid of the pool, the more expensive the homes get the further out of bounds the fat rich pigism becomes.
This isn’t up for debate, this is HOW IT WORKS.
You don’t qualify for fat pig, keep trying to up yourself and laugh, though. In Maralago’s case, 500M vs 17M is a thirty to one valuation difference.
So your home I would guess is a 300k – 750k area, so you probably didn’t even get 2 to 1 reduction, let alone 30 to 1 or more. If it’s higher than 750k then your reduction was even less.
Charts show California averages .76 percent per year property tax. So you might be very close to that average.
I will keep laughing. And I will not lose one second of sleep over someone else’s property taxes. If the voters in Florida want a different “progressive” property tax calculation, they can put that to a voter referendum. And if it passes, Florida can watch their tax revenues decline as property owners leave the state.
As I said, ” It may be true that taxes levied at actual sale value would be too high for the market to support the high prices in sales, but that of course is the very reason for the discrepancy. ” (my text right above you responded to)
The problem I pointed out is something I’ve never heard mentioned once by anyone in this entire discussion for so many months. Yet, it is the very basis of the discrepancy that allows the criminal demoncrat fraudster to dupe it up in his courtroom.
I find the whole thing is HIDDEN because the demoncrats are idiots and want their crime against Trump secured, while the neocons are jerks and don’t want the rich getting away with it exposed. ( you won’t lose sleep, and then of course you threaten (wealthy) “property owners” fleeing Florida if (not progressive) just equal assessments apply, as in linked to the real and probable sale value.
So, ya know, whatever.
( you won’t lose sleep, and then of course you threaten (wealthy) “property owners” fleeing Florida if (not progressive) just equal assessments apply, as in linked to the real and probable sale value.
I obviously do not live in Florida and I have no intentions of doing so. This is a state issue and if the voters in Florida want to change how their property taxes are calculated, then so be it. I’m not quite sure how you’re squaring that circle to call it “equal” and not “progressive.” Regardless, you start messing with property taxes and it won’t be just the wealthy leaving the state.
Assessed value is less than real value when it comes to fat rich pig properties, not the general public.
That’s not accurate. Assessed value is almost always less than market value for all sectors of the housing market. Fractional assessment is a fact of life for all properties, not just high-end ones. The one exception is during a base year when a countywide reassessment occurs. Just after the reassessment, the assessment ratio (assessed value/estimated market value) for all properties is 1.0. After that, the assessed value remains the same until the next base year, which might not happen for 20 or 30 years. All the while, the market value appreciates, meaning the assessment ratios for all properties decrease.
Each year the state computes the common-level-ratio (CLR) – i.e., the average assessment ratio – based on sales that occurred within the last 12 months. If a high-end property’s assessment ratio falls below the CLR, the taxing authorities have a right – and will have a big incentive – to appeal the assessment and get it up to the CLR, thereby equalizing it with the average assessment ratio across the county.
It depends on the jurisdiction. My community uses market values for taxes assessments.
Fine, the general public pays close to the actual average or more.
As you move toward more expensive properties the rate DECREASES.
For rich pigs like Maralago you already saw I showed the rate is 30 or 40 to one below the fair payment.
Olly above laughed and called himself a fat pig but he failed that level. He shows he got some discount but not much. I’ll await his percentage if he desires to expose more, but I gave a decent guess.
You can babble all you want about it, but the facts remain, no little home owner is getting a 30 to 1 reduction. The rule is the more it can be sold for the lower the real property tax rate. That’s how the real world works,
Tax laws are always written with the wealthy in mind. Warren Buffett, for example, has a net worth of about $118 billion, give or take a few billion. Buffett’s personal secretary has a net worth of less than $2 million. Yet, she pays a tax rate of 35.8% of her income, while Buffett pays a rate of about 17.4% of his.
In public, of course, Buffett proclaims that he wants higher taxes for billionaires like him. But in private, he fights tooth and nail to avoid paying even one penny more.
Totally agree. I was surprised as well that the judge decided without any foundation that the property was worth $16 million, and that Mr. T. had committed fraud. Real estate valuations, especially of commercial property, are complex and not straightforward. The judge nor the AG are qualified in that area. Mar-A-Largo is a unique property, so comparables will be difficult to find. Moreover, banks are experienced lenders, and they know how to value property serving as security for a loan and the creditworthiness of a borrower. If the banks were willing to lend Mr. T. the money after evaluating his net worth and collateral, then they must have concluded that the risk of default was acceptable. How is this a fraud case? This was a normal commercial transaction. In my view, the AG needs to be disbarred. Unfortunately, there are never consequences for zealous prosecutors. Weissman kept his job after the convictions in the Enron case were thrown unanimously by the SC. He should have been fired. Smith has also a bad track record but is still in his job. Problem is that our justice system is rotten. Unless you are extremely rich (like Mr. T.) you can simply not financially afford to defend yourself against federal criminal charges. Just imagen, in the DC case, Smith produced 1.3 million documents as proof. Just reading and evaluating these, requires a regiment of lawyers. Who can afford that? That’s why most people simply plead guilty to minor charges; otherwise, your family goes bankrupt. That is not justice, that is prosecutorial tyranny.
Criminal Letia James is milking her fraudulent case for all its worth, even though she knows the case will be thrown out on appeal as total garbage. But from her perspective, she just looking ahead to her second career as a “pundit” presstitute for CNN or MSNBC at an annual $3 million salary or better.
One more point about subjective values. Let’s consider Diamonds or Numismatic Coinage. The United States Mint is selling a 2023 One Ounce Silver American Eagle Proof Coin, San Francisco mint for $80.00. Today pricing for Silver is $23.27 +/- per ounce; the question is who priced this particular coins value, the market, buyer or the maker?
Diamonds values have many variables, weight, cut, color, clarity etc., it takes an appraiser, who values the rock, but again there is subjective determination by the appraiser, and an agreement between buyer and seller to actual value at time of sale.
Yes, value is, indeed, in the mind (and the pocketbook) of the beholder. But to paraphrase Lewis Carroll, ‘When I determine the value of a thing, Humpty “Engoron the Moron” Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.’
It was painful for me to watch a clip from the proceedings in the NYC court yesterday, especially when the cameras focused on the smirking face of AG Letitia James. As a member of the New York bar, I have been extremely disappointed in the way that AG James has handled her responsibilities. My fundamental concern is the manner in which resources have been allocated by Ms. James. She sued the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) when it adopted Regulation Best Interest, which imposes a new standard of conduct on broker-dealers, in 2020. I read the Complaint and found it to be nonsensical. The Complaint went nowhere. A client of my firm filed a Complaint with the AG relating to a financial scam perpetrated by a New York resident, and received no response. The AG did nothing, but the scoundrel was finally taken to task by the SEC and is now in jail. Now we have the case against former President Donald Trump based on Section 63(12) of the Executive Law. It will be interesting to see the case law under Section 63(12). I have become weary of the manner in which officials in New York State squander taxpayer dollars.
The border is wide open, illegals are demanding better accommodations, threats to the Jewish community is at its highest since the 30’s, defunding the police has increased crime throughout the nation, we’re on the verge of getting involved in another conflict in the Middle East but President Trumps tweets are dangerous?
SO, TURLEY IS NO LONGER FOR FREE SPEECH?
OR, IS IT JUST TRUMP’s SPEECH ABOUT THE “VERMIN” WHO COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST HIM THAT TURLEY NOW SAYS IS DANGEROUS?
BUT, IT’S STILL OK FOR BIDEN/ DEMS/ NYAG TO CALL TRUMP A TERRORIST/ FRAUDSTER/ RACIST/ MAGAT/ DICTATOR WHO THEY WILL THUS PUT BEHIND BARS?
OR, IS DEM’s SPEECH ABOUT TRUMP JUST AS DANGEROUS & WORTHY OF A PUBLISHED ARTICLE BY TURLEY, & WE CAN EXPECT TO READ THAT ASAP?
DOES IT MATTER IF TURLEY THINKS CERTAIN POLITICAL SPEECH IS DANGEROUS, BUT WE DON’T?
WHO DECIDES WHAT IS DANGEROUS SPEECH, AND DOES THAT MATTER?
– – – IF ONLY WE HAD SOME KIND OF REASONABLE, OBJECTIVE LEGAL STANDARD WE COULD APPLY HERE.
– – – AND IF WE DID, THEN I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR INFLUENTIAL LEADERS & LEGAL SCHOLARS WOULD ONLY PUBLICLY CALL FOR LIMITING SPEECH THAT ACTUALLY MET THAT FAIR STANDARD.
Oh, wait…
The Poll numbers have gotten Donny a little bit cocky 🐓. Anyone ‘put through the mill’ like they have Him, would have quite a bit bottled-up inside 🍾.
I wouldn’t stand Trump next to a fan – there is liable to be an explosion (SHTF 💩).
When it comes to James & Engoron, it’s to bad we can’t “Lock’em Up” and give them a taste of their own medicine 💊.
But if the Vermin 🐀 ever crosses the California State Line into the Golden State … Ya’Know anything could happen🤞.
Fantasy? Did you say “fantasy?”
The “fantasy” is the United States of America, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the American Founders and Framers.
The fantasy is unconstitutional communism.
The fantastical New Constitution of the “fundamentally transformed” United States of America is that of Karl Marx and his fellow traveler, Abraham Lincoln: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs,” with emphasis on central planning, control of the means of production (i.e. unconstitutional regulation), redistribution of wealth, and social engineering, including, but not limited to, admissions affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.
Article 1, Section 8, provides Congress the power to tax ONLY for debt, defense, and “…general (all, the whole) Welfare…,” omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual Welfare, specific Welfare, particular Welfare, favor or charity. The same article enumerates and provides Congress the power to regulate ONLY money, the “flow” of commerce, and land and naval Forces. Additionally, the 5th Amendment right to private property was initially qualified by the Framers and is, therefore, absolute, allowing no further qualification, and allowing ONLY the owner the power to “claim and exercise” dominion over private property.
The whole ——- thing is antithetical and unconstitutional.
Government exists, under the Founders’ Constitution and Bill of Rights, to provide maximal freedom to individuals while government is severely limited and restricted to merely facilitating that maximal freedom of individuals through the provision of security and infrastructure only.
“Punch a fascist in the face!” was all I heard in public for several YEARS.
Let’s forget arrest like the other side has. I WANT TO HEAR PUNCH THE FASCISTS IN THE FACE then everyone on the right support it so we have equity and equality like the left claims it wants.
This arrest thing is too much law and order. GO FOR PUNCH A FASCIST IN THE FACE like the opposition did at every level.
We all heard it and saw it for YEARS.
First of all, I agree that it’s inappropriate to refer to Letia James and Arthur Engoron as vermin. That’s an insult to vermin, which actually serve a useful purpose in life.
Second, Letia James and Arthur Engoron have, indeed, commmitted felonies. In New York State, a person has committed a felony if he/she is guilty of perjury in the first degree when he/she swears falsely and when his/her false statement (a) consists of testimony, and (b) is material to the action, proceeding or matter in which it is made.
Both James and Engoron have repeatedly and knowingly lied in court in their bogus case against Trump. So, they do belong in prison if the law were actually followed. And there is nothing remotely dangerous about exposing these truths about James and Engoron. What is the danger? Prof. Turley does not say. The only “danger” is that justice could actually prevail if the law were followed, and James and Engoron would be sitting in prison. And that would be a good thing.
There is a perfectly good federal law that can be a felong S1984 – Depriving another of their civil rights under color of law.
The decision by Trump to repost this unhinged zealotry is a violation of the Court Order.
The judge should incarcerate Trump for 1 week as a sober reminder that his freedom pending trial is conditioned upon completely desisting from any act that throws shade on the Court, the Judge, the Prosecution and the Witnesses.
I can only hope you find yourself someday in a similar situation.
If I ever have legal trouble, I’ll huddle privately with my lawyer, and take advice to leave the court of public opinion out of it. Trump’s adolescent middle-fingering of the legal system while recklessly pandering in public as a shameless demogogue is incredibly stupid. Ask any lawyer. Ask Turley.
Trump is a self-defeating loser. He deserves a fair trial for J6th & Georgia, but with the latest Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell videotaped depositions, he’s facing conviction and Georgia prison time. He attempted a coup against the Constitutional transfer of Presidential power, the first person ever to do this is 235 years. If he is not punished for doing this, our entire system will become a cesspool of lying, gaming zealots and conniving cheats….it will usher in a century of mendocracy — rule over society by the most convincing liars.
Whether Trump’s words were smart or dumb doesn’t matter unless you don’t believe in the First Amendment and wish to curtail Trump’s First Amendment rights.
Why should we let you determine what is right and what is wrong speech? You already have shown your bias and inability to recognize the difference between guilt and innocence.
“He attempted a coup against the Constitutional transfer of Presidential power,”
I don’t think he attempted a coup. He utilized every legal remedy. The Democrats used every legal and illegal remedy to provide Biden with the ballots he needed to win despite violating State Constitutions, ballot trafficking, and all sorts of dirty tricks. Yes. That is what I believe, and you believe something different. You want to be permitted to say what you wish but prevent me from saying what I believe. Doesn’t that sound dictatorial?
” the most convincing liars.”
Who lied about Joe Biden’s involvement in influence peddling and likely corruption? Was that Trump as well? No, it is Biden.
Who lied about masks and the transmission of the virus after taking the vaccine?
Wasn’t that your friends in the White House?
Who lied about their conversations with social media?
Again, your friends, but you think those lies are OK while you wish to censor those who turned out to be correct.
It seems you wish “rule over society by the most convincing liars.” as long as they are your liars.
LOL
Throws shade…
No one respects the lying criminals issuing from the DC crime syndicate. The government commits endless crimes then silences all opposition. They have already worked up another war crime going hot right now, and plenty here have been screaming for blood in an estrogen enhanced shrieking of unbelievable mass proportion. The death and theft is on the roll call, while you twiddle with TDS.
We should have seen ten thousand citizen arrests already.
“The decision by Trump to repost this unhinged zealotry is a violation of the Court Order.
The judge should incarcerate Trump for 1 week as a sober “
PbinCA, on what basis should any judge presently or historically have the right to deny freedom of speech? This call was not for violence. It was Satire as I stated earlier, though not of the highest quality. No one will arrest the judge or do anything of the sort.
What you are asking for is that only those with guns be permitted to speak. This idea you hold makes us believe you are against the Second Amendment since you prefer guns only in the hands of despotic leaders while those guns prevent citizens from voicing alternative opinions.
F their clown court. F anyone that supports the judge and his staff. “Shade” lol. They are garbage people and deserve very bad futures.
Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself
Please, please, please be so stupid as to lock Trump up.
Absolutely Trump is violating the court order.
Unfortunately Engron is not as stupid as you are and realizes that locking up Trump for violating an unconstitutional court order will only make Trump stronger likely get him tossed off the case, speed up the appeals process that will ultimately find the order unconstitutional,
So far engron is MOSTLY not taking the bait – though you are.
Those of you on the left are so incredibly clueless.
Frankly I think Trump’s remarks on this have been brilliant.
Publicly stating that of course as the next president he can have the DOJ/FBI do the same things to democrats as democrats are doing to him – is great. It energizes his supporters it Pisses left wing nuts – such as yourself off, causing you to lose it and say stupid things.
It should give pause to democrats and prosecutors who should be thinking – wait a minute in a year I could find myself in Trump’s shoes.
And it sends a message to the courts – if you allow what is happening now, you will have to allow it when I do it later.
Contra your nonsense -a $hitload of ordinary people do understand
TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY.
Finally – you do not get it. It does not matter whether Trump does or does not do unto you what you have done unto him.
When YOU respond like a nutcase that Trump can not do this – all you do is expose your own immorality.
Of course it would be wrong for Trump to do this – IT IS WRONG FOR YOU TO DO IT.
If you do keep this up – whether Trump seeking revenge is thwarted or not – no one will have any sympathy for you.
AS much as you deserve whatever Trump decides to serve up – I hope that the courts prevent that – not because you do not FULLY deserve it.
But because someone we must end this nonsense where the left expands their misconduct, and the republicans follow.
The Best solution would be for the courts to STOP all this NOW.
No, Trump Supporters Cannot “Citizen Arrest” the Judge or James in New York.
Come on man! This is New York. Battery is a staple of the Regime’s useful idiots only. Law-abiding citizens aren’t permitted to have their rights secured or even attempt to secure the rights of others. Only the Regime is allowed to violate the rights of the citizens. Get the he!! out before you get arrested for a TBD crime!
The whole reason all the criminals in DC get away with their crimes of power abuse is because no one has done anything to them.
It’s funny how the OP squeals it’s not against the law. No one respects the criminals in charge who claim their crimes are legal.
Keep it up, the guillotines are coming. None of you will wonder why it happened as you all know you all already deserve it.
LOL!
Once again, Trump just reposts a “fantasy” and everyone loses their $hit, again!
He is playing everyone like he did in 2016, again!
As former SecDef Ash Carter said in an interview, to paraphrase, “The world leaders do not read what Trump tweets, they watch what he does.”
Anyone attempting citizen’s arrest of any public official needs to understand that they will be subject to very harsh treatment.
PUNCH A FASCIST IN THE FACE.
That is true. Anyone defying a public official in any way should fear for their freedom and safety.
That does not make them wrong.
Trump often says stuff like this to put his perceived enemies at risk. Sometimes his followers act on it. That is what he does. When his followers act on it he claims he had nothing to do with it. So it goes.
Anyone looking to put this dangerous individual back into a position of authority should have their head examined.
So in left wing nut world people are dangerous for standing up to fascists in government ?
Regardless, the “risk” to James Engron etc is that they will be arrested.
Trump has been repeatedly arrested for bogus reasons.
No one has called for the assassination of James or Engron. Though many have called for the assassination of Trump.
Those of you on the left also called for these DANGEROUS lawless and unconstitutional prosecutions.
And now you are afraid that Trump may do to you what you have done to him.
Should we put people who weaponize government against political enemies into power ? Absolutely not.
Engron, James, Garland, Biden, Smith Willis, Bragg, …. should all be removed from power.
Turley, it’s really well past time to start being honest about Trump. He’s threatening to prosecute your friend Barr in a second administration.
The military, having run a soft 25th on trump after 1/6 would have him on a super short rope should he be elected again. I always had it on my bingo card that trump’s language would go all Hitler as he was a documented reader of mein kampf and his father used to go to Klan rallies, but the acid test with trump (for years now) is whether he’ll actively call for mass shooters to be unleashed in the name of trumpism. They’re already citing his words in a number of shooter manifestos.
Wondering what the over/under is for him seeking to radicalize shooters at some of his rallies such that they go forward and attack from there.
That’s fairly cute and feminine when your dear leader has declared half the nation terrorists from the bully pulpit.
I visualize you falling into the fire abyss as you scream out like a fool “What has happened!? I was TDS deranged as commanded !?”
Yeah, the pearly gates and St Peter were just bypassed.
Not into forgive them they know not what they have done.
Gee, you trolled out on someone who doesn’t give a f%$k what your thoughts are. Solid use of your time magat ass clown.
Reading a progressive having the nerve to invoke ‘the klan’, which dems created and populated is a good one. The parties didn’t ‘switch’; you are exactly what you always were.
The most heinous mass shooter manifesto out there is the Trans shooter – it is most certainly FAR LEFT.
Most mass shooters are nuts. Their manifestos are nuts. They include all kinds of idiocy from all ideologies.
Holmes claims to have been driven by grammar – must be arrest the authors of grammar texts for incitement to violence.
The El Paso shooter Was fixated on environmentalism – should we arrest Greta Thunberg for incitement.
The military answers to the president not the other way around. Please read the 25th amendment – you clearly know nothing about it.
It is harder to remove a president who does not wish to be removed under the 25th than by impeachment – how well did that work for you ?
The 25th amendment allows the cabinet – not the military to temporarily suspend a president for incapacity. Within a few days the president must either resign or the congress must vote to remove the president by LARGER numbers than are required to impeach.
If that does not occur the presidents power return, and woe be to the cabinet members that sought to remove him.
Regardless the military has no role. In the US when the military tries to intervene in politics they end up in leavenworth.
People are responsible for their own actions. Whether you are a palestinian terrorist or a Trans mass shooter – you are responsible for the attrocities you commit. People are not “radicallized” they CHOSE.
It is called FREE WILL, we are not zombies. Neither Trump nor Biden have magical powers over their supporters.
If you beleive what Trump says – that is your choice – hopefully you made it with knowledge of the facts.
If you beleive what Biden or those on the left say – that too is your choice.
If your choice was Biden and the left – you should take a refresher course in logic, because you are clearly clueless.
Regardless there is no “radicalize” that is somehow the responsibility of others.
James, Engron, Garland, Biden are culpable for THEIR conduct.
If YOU chose to act based on them – YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.
After decades of decline we have seen significant increases in mass shootings and violence generally. Both in the US and world wide.
The cause of this is perfectly clear. The strongest driver of violence is chaos. It is the left sewing choas today. Trump and republicans are offering ordered liberty – that is radically different.
I fully expect further increases in violence, in mass shooting, in violence and war throughout the world.
That will all continue until the choas of the left is overcome.
This comment is an outgrowth of my previous comments regarding the ineffectiveness of our constitution. It only stands up when people care. Obviously, the people in charge of the laws don’t care any more. “Hit and run” legislation is passed every day to put the state boot on someone’s neck knowing full well it the be five years before STOTUS says “You can’t do that because it is unconstitutional.”
The subject of this article is a clearer message: the author is calling for justice for the people BUT BY THE PEOPLE, because the justice system is corrupt and and the constitution is too slow, yet lawyers are unable to offer a timely alternative beyond bleating about justice while a rogue and racist DA buggers the Republican’s national candidate.
I don’t in any way believe Trump governed as a fascist. And I don’t believe Biden calling a critic a prick in a meeting at all uncommon behavior for a US President. One could easily that word coming out of the mouth of LBJ or casual comments between Bill Clinton and James Carville. Based upon current behavior I believe Donald Trump is incapable of governing as POTUS in 2025. This is equally due to his outrageous inability to keep his cool and the forces arrayed against him. At this point, in an ideal world, our next President would be an Independent beholden to the People and not to the machinations of either of the political parties Dem, GOP, Green, Socialist or whatever.
Trump is probably unhinged at this point, but after seven years of spying, conspiracy hoaxes, trumped-up criminal charges, and unending vilification (including on this site’s comment section by paid trolls), can we really blame him? He would have to inhuman not to be affected by the comprehensive hate campaign carried out by the Left.
Yes. We can blame him for his own actions. He’s a clear and present danger to the country.
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All good points, edwardnahl.
There is a big difference between calling someone a ‘prick’ and enemy of the Republic and Trump calling his political enemies ‘vermin’. I wonder if you could expand your thoughts about the Heritage Foundation’s plan, exposed now, thank goodness, to go after that ‘vermin’.
New York can’t exterminate it’s vermin rats in the streets so no worries there. On the other hand half the nation are terrorists and a threat to democracy itself, so there’s a little problem as big as the universe with your brain.
There is a difference ? please explain.
Finally a more reasonable post by JT. But you haven’t gone far enough. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, acts like a duck, it is probably a duck. Just say it JT.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-fascism-2666263315/
Shoot fascists? like shoot ducks?
Talk about quacked up. What ammo?