“How many lives are 1200 Israelis worth?” That chilling question was put forward by a Rhode Island history professor last week in a condemnation of Israel as a “white supremacist nation” that prompted the Hamas massacre.
Many donors and parents have been repulsed in recent weeks by such extremist viewpoints on our campuses over the Israel-Gaza war. For some of us, however, the hostile environment is nothing new on campuses where faculties have been purged of conservative and libertarian voices for years.
Indeed, many of the same figures have previously supported radical, or even violent, efforts directed against conservatives for years. This academic radical chic was long celebrated, not condemned, by the media.
My own campus is not immune from extremist rhetoric. George Washington University has seen flyers of Hamas hostages ripped down and huge images celebrating the Hamas “martyrs” protected on our buildings. Most recently, a panel was held at our medical school accusing Israel of “genocide” and describing Hamas as “resistance” fighters against oppression.
This came as Hamas announced that no hostage would be found alive if Israel did not meet its demands.
The day after Hamas made that declaration, Eric Loomis, a history professor and director of graduate studies at University of Rhode Island, wrote a column on the blog Lawyers, Guns, and Money, a far-left site known for extremist rhetoric.
In his column, Loomis declared that, if Israel is not committing genocide, “it is way too close to comfort” to genocidal murder. While condemning Hamas, he said the massacre was “inevitable” and that “if you put people in an open air prison, you basically deserve the attacks you get.” He insisted that “ethnonationalist states can have no place in a liberal world” and “if you can’t agree with this when it concerns Israel, you are racist toward the Palestinians and we can move from there.”
Loomis recognizes that some may be critical of his views but ends by calling them “gigantic flaming a**holes.”
Even after weeks of such rhetoric from faculty, including Cornell University Professor Russell Rickford celebrating the massacre, it is still shocking for many. It is not shocking to those of us who are part of the dwindling number of dissenting voices on our campuses.
These very same faculty members have been fostered by the media for years. The Washington Post ran Rickford’s views and the New York Times ran those of Loomis. The latter relationship is particularly ironic after the Times effectively banned Sen. Cotton for raising the possible need to deploy the national guard to stop violent protests (a measure used on Jan. 6th).
I continue to defend the free speech rights of far-left academics despite my deep disagreement with them. The problem is not their exercise of free speech but the absence of balance or opposing voices on our campuses.
Many are celebrating the retention of Harvard President Claudine Gay as a victory of free speech. Yet, Gay oversees a university ranked dead last in protecting the free speech of others. For the many conservatives and dissenters bullied and silenced at Harvard for years, there may be less cause for celebration that the president is protected. Indeed, liberal faculty members have long enjoyed the full protection of free speech denied to the dwindling number of faculty on the right.
Many faculty members have been calling for violent attacks on conservatives and Republicans with little objection from the media or even some universities. Faculty members have freely called for “detonating” people,” calling for Republicans to suffer, strangling police officers, celebrating the death of conservatives, calling for the killing of Trump supporters, supporting the murder of conservatives and other outrageous statements.
Conversely, for the few remaining conservatives on most faculties, there is little tolerance for controversy. Dr. Mike Adams, a professor of sociology and criminology, committed suicide after losing his academic position after an inflammatory tweet.
In this academic eco chamber, espousing conservative views is a virtual guarantee of rejection. Imagine being a young conservative professor applying to the University of Rhode Island’s history department where the director of graduate studies has stated that he has no objection to killing conservative protesters.
Other sites like Above the Law have spent years ridiculing objections to the barring of conservative faculty. Senior Editor Joe Patrice defended “predominantly liberal faculties” by arguing that hiring a conservative professor is akin to allowing a believer in geocentrism to teach at a university.
It is working. A survey conducted by the Harvard Crimson shows that more than three-quarters of Harvard Arts and Sciences and School of Engineering and Applied Sciences faculty respondents identify as “liberal” or “very liberal.” Only 2.5% identified as “conservative,” and only 0.4% as “very conservative.”
The same is true at other schools. A study found that only nine percent of law school professors identify as conservative at the top 50 law schools. A 2017 study found only 15 percent of faculties overall were conservative. Another survey showed that 33 out of 65 departments lacked a single conservative faculty member.
The last few weeks have awakened donors to the rising intolerance and extremism on our faculties. Some donors have even pulled funding, including $100 million withdrawn from the University of Pennsylvania.
Donors (and state legislatures with state-funded schools) can use their leverage to force greater diversity of thought on our campuses. The problem is not that we have these radical faculty members. The problem is that we have comparably few faculty with opposing views. The diversity of opinion on most faculties runs from the left to the far left. Some faculty members now argue that intellectual diversity is not a core or essential value in academia.
If donors want to open up our campuses, they may need to close their wallets until real reforms are implemented in higher education.
I invite anyone here who is even thinking about replying to Svelaz drivel, do so in response to this post. Dont feed the click counter.
Yeah, we should only follow Estovir’s puppets. No discussions needed.
Nor with drunks like u and obvious crack heads like svelass
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Hunter Biden has refused to appear before Congress in a closed session, per a subpoena. Apparently, some people really are “above the law”.
Hey look, if you really want to add credibility to your statement, have Eric Swallwell lead you up the steps of the Capitol.
Strange that he didnt take any questions, so that he could publicly give his story.
1st question: were you lying when you told the chinese that your dad was sitting next to you and involved in your extortion?
There is a subpoena. He has broken the law again. Sounds like u are good with that, svelass the liar.
Even if your low IQ mention of JJ were relevant, it doesnt change the fact.
I guess its ok if katy britt were to take gold bars for bribes, because she’d just be following Menendez’s example.
When your mom stopped breast feeding you, at 7 years old, and then caught you playing with matches, did you blame it on your older brothers example.
Thats for your unserious response. Now u have mine. Wanna double down on stupid?
2 USC 192
Punishable by $1k fine and up to one year in prison.
Another Biden criminal act. Who is surprised? Make your apologies svelass.
It seems to me that there is a huge opportunity right now for the Right/Conservatives at colleges. They should be shouting from every college roof top about pro life, all lives matter, there are only two genders, get men out of women sports, etc…. Then we will see how the likes of Claudine Gay respond to free speech. Their hypocrisy is ripe for the picking, we just need some harvesters.
They say all these things now on campuses, including Turley’s. No one stops them.
I doubt the that.
The official line now is
My dad was not “financially involved” in my business.
And clear thinking people are left to wonder … which of the 2 words is the operative word. What a slimebag is Sonny – learned it at Daddy-Jo’s knee.
There is no “offer”. You dont get to “offer” anything to Congress. You show up or you break the law.
Even if a witness has confidentiality issues, failing to show is a violation of 2 USC 192.
Keep apologizing, lame-o. Thats whats pathetic.
Incidentally, 2 USC 192 says nothing about an “impeachment inquiry”. It applies 24/7/365
LOL did u just wake from a drunken stupor as well?
Everyone but you knows it went
I have never spoken to anyone about my families businesses
I have never met with any of my sons business partners
I never discussed business with my sons business partners
My family has never made one penny from china
Joe has never been involved with hunters business
Joe has never benefitted financially from hunters business
Joes has never been financially involved with hunters business
Each line evolving as new evidence came to light
Keep apologizing. Pathetic.
It seems to me that there is a huge opportunity right now for the Right/Conservatives at colleges. They should be shouting from every college roof top about pro life, all lives matter, there are only two genders, get men out of women sports, etc…. Then we will see how the likes of Claudine Gay respond to free speech. Their hypocrisy is ripe for the picking, we just need some harvesters.
“Many donors and parents have been repulsed in recent weeks by such extremist viewpoints on our campuses”.
Where were they when certain speakers and guests were uninvited and shouted down on campus, were their children part of the shout downs and protests?
Those who are concerned about families and children, especially pbinCA, might have an interest.
“She also explained that Hungary had a lot of pro-family policies to encourage people to have children and raise them affordably. Women in Hungary who have four or more children don’t have to pay taxes. ”
“The divorce rate in Hungary is the lowest in the EU,” Bradley-Farrell said. “It cut abortions in half. These subsidies were implemented. People feel like they can afford to get married if they have kids.”
When asked what she wants readers to take away from her book, she said she wanted people to “start recognizing that progressivism is rooted in Marxism and that it is ultimately designed to destroy our societies and take away our freedom.”
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/wkdnational-security-consultant-says-hungarians-see-lot-socialist-tactics-coming-out?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
Sadly, this whole disgraceful ‘radicalization’ and response again demonstrates one concept: Just because you are an ‘expert’ and/or have achieved financial success in one limited field, it by no means guarantees you are and ‘expert’ in any other field.
Look at Loomis. A history professor handing out opinions on matters outside his area of listed research and published interests? Add to that, rhetoric that mimics CNN and MSNBC and you can guess how his opinion developed.
Look at some of the “donors”. These people have flashed the ‘Harvard credentials’ repeatedly for decades and provided heavy financial support. Presumably, they are now suddenly “awakened donors to the rising intolerance and extremism” at Harvard, U of Penn, MIT and other institutions? How self serving can one get? When some of those institutions were hauled into court and found to have been discriminating against Asians for decades, where were these fellows on withholding their $$$$?
Bottom line: Most of these professors, faculty, administrators and donors are self serving charlatans that should not have their opinions and actions accepted on face value.
I guess you forgot the war on whites going on for decades too.
Nothing happened until the jews got a stick up their rear end.
Now it’s the end of the world, again.
Won’t matter, kill whitey will still be there 100% no matter what, and all the crybabies will ignore it or endorse it.
It seems that the very people that created the cesspool of academia are now drowning in it. I suspect no lessons will be learned and there will be more and larger cesspools everywhere as the current crop of stooges is replaced by the new crop of bigger stooges. The march toward idiocracy seems unstoppable.
I would imagine it would depend on whether the donors are “woke” also. Hopefully, enough of the donors are either older, wiser and immune to this nonsense/hate or they are, in large percentage, Jewish and find they have been aiding their own anti-Semitism. With the retaining of Gay – that incompetent affirmative action hire, I hold out little hope until the money from the government – by way of grants, student loans and other such monies from the taxpayer’s pockets is ended and the anti-Semitism is rooted out and those responsible are thrown away with the rest of the woke trash. What to do about generations of ruined braindead indoctrinated degree holding flotsam – that is another problem that MUST be faced.
Hunter Biden – What a Schmuck!
He stages his Press Conference, then skips out of the Congressional Deposition.
What an Act! Definite Candidate for Contempt of Congress.
!!! GO Comer GO !!!
He was NEVER going to testify.
This is who the Bidens are. He learned well.
And we will await Daddy Jo’s no-=Justice Department’s efforts to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with a subpoena (the original one or one to be issued after the House’s vote today).
Much to my grandsons’ great dismay, they have come to the realization that what their Harvard brat parents, ’94, had been polishing their academic shoes of success with is no longer Shinola. One is presently at USC, not much better, and the other has major decisions to make.
They haven’t figured out the difference.
The fragrance is wafting on the breeze, the certificates have come off the walls, and the checking account is closed. It’s time for the Harvard Board and the rest of their wretched ilk to stand in front of the fan and smell the shoe polish.
Not sure why that was so short (full version here)
Grrr. not posting this clip again.
Those who believe Hamas is doing yoemans work that’s benefitting the world should personally practice what they preach where it’s most needed and appreciated – in GAZA and IRAN. Go today.
@JAFO
I think so too. Air drop them in, along with their professors, without any provisions, funds, identification, passports, credit cards, or tech of any kind and see what they think of the situation, being in a place they had no idea was actually *so* foreign, not speaking the language, not really understanding the customs (a mispronounced as-salam alaykum isn’t going to cut it) and discovering just how shallow and purely academic their understanding of other cultures turns out to be. They are not prepared to deal with real human beings in real situations, just illustrations and concepts.
Calling it a coddling of our youth doesn’t begin to do this situation justice. Babying is closer, but still not enough. Faculties are no better, and let’s be honest: many of these donors are just as out of touch, and just as calloused by their privilege and pseudo-intellectualism parading as virtue.
It is terrible when people die unnecessarily. It is more terrible when people are ravaged by and die for ideological differences. The fact that our Constitution already addresses this pretty perfectly is lost on the lot of them. Sanity has abandoned us, we are in a new Dark Age.
Agreed. It’s quite telling they have the nerve to be shocked, surprised, and angry towards those suggesting they actually practice what they preach, lead by example, etc. Typical hypocrites.
Yeah, just like the blue and yellow flag wavers hopped on over to ukraine to get some orange man bad russia missiles huh
just the screeching jews from here are over there not targeting civilians in gaza
drop your drawers and head on over
or you can go to the eastern oil fields in syria and boot up with Isis paramours who will get Assad with you, no doubt about it…
If none of those strike your fancy do a fat march over to Yemen so you can offer your support properly, like a man
I hope it’s sincere and not simply inverse virtue signaling by a different set of privileged folks. It still feels endemic of a culture that needs to go away entirely, to me.
There was still nothing free or noble about the elitism in play prior to woke idiocy, and no, Ivy league grads were never inherently better by any meaningful measure to other very smart people. Grown adults who have presumably moved on into adult lives still clutching the pearls of an institution has always been pathetic to me, personally. The inculcation of class division was real, too, and its own form of ignorance.
When you have been given trophies all your life for just showing up, told you are the smartest and you have never had a productive job in your life, you then go to college, take meaningless courses and then find out that you can’t get a paying job, you then go to law school, and can’t pass the bar exam and don’t want to pay off your student loan, you then do the only thing left, you become a Democrat. You then preach that life is not fair and government should fix it.
Any thoughts on Jack Smith’s brilliant move to get the trump case to the Scotus, Turley?
Or the absolute freak show over abortion rights in Texas?
@Anonymous
Nothing says ‘bigot’ more than going off topic, eh?
Yes, there was a time when this blog explored legal questions such as that
Bug anon aka dennis byron.
I guess you were drunk and passed out the day that Turley said Smith was a booger eating kunt, just like you.
Have another sip bro.
Loomis is pretty on track with bringing the history between the Israelis and the Palestinians into the picture. It’s been a 75 year long war essentially. And Gaza has been a form of open air prison. I’ve been referring to it as Jurassic Park for humans for years.
The Hamas massacre was a war crime, but so has been the Israeli response….
Onward to the fall of the Netanyahu government and the begining of serious negotiations toward the formation of two states. The killing has to stop.
Eb
begining of serious negotiations toward the formation of two states. The killing has to stop.
Stop the killing? Palestine first. They broke the cease fire 10 days ago and the broke the ceasefire Oct. 7. Palestine is getting exactly what they seek. Many more Palestinian will die, because that is what they choose.
Palestinians are getting killed because of Israel’s poor decisions for decades. Palestinians are for pro Hamas because what do they get for being pro PLO? The Israeli government helping vigilante settlers kill them in the West Bank? Please, get up to date on the last 75 years of Palestinian suffering. Israel broke the ceasefire in 1948.
Israel broke the cease fire in 1948. This must be the dumbest and most ignorant comment I have seen on this website and that is saying a lot. Only a moron would assert that Israel broke the ceasefire after they were invaded by all of their neighbors soon after the UN partition. You must also believe that Hamas is a peace loving democratic organization promoting brotherly love and pluralism.
Eventually you will come the realization that Muslims have spent centuries pillaging and raping for slights suffered by their kin centuries ago. Today they don’t teach their boys how to read, or learn a trade, they teach their boys what men they hate and need to kill, raping, torturing, and murdering women and children along the way. We have 2000 years of history, ignoring it exposes your ignorance.
Gee, I bet you’re one of the people who jumped on that trite leading question awhile back of: have you read the Koran?
Sure sign of someone who has never the Koran.
Are you claiming these men are strict adherents to Muslim? Because they dont have a choice. They pray 5 times a day or dye. Show me were raping and butchering women is in the Koran
Egypt
Babylonia
Persia
Turks
Ottoman
These people have been enslaving and committing genocide of fellow humans for thousands of years. STFU with the victim crap.
Gaza’s “open air prison” was created by the Palestinians and the Arab states. That you lack knowledge of history is apparent. No one wants the Palestinians. Egypt didn’t want them and used walls and their armies to keep them out. Jordan threw the Palestinians out.
Israel, using its military, pushed all Jewish settlers out of Gaza and gave control to the Gazans, who promptly elected Hamas and fired rockets into Israel to kill innocent women and children. Earlier, under PLO leadership, the Palestinians sent their children into Israel with bomb packs to blow themselves and Israeli children up.
Your ignorance is understandable considering your condition, but now you have the opportunity to look through the Internet and confirm facts, not rhetoric spewed by ignorant anti-Semites who have elevated stature from Democrats and leftists.
The only ignorance I see is in your Fox news crafted talking points. Israel created this open air prison after kicking out Gazans from their full land. Israel controls everything that enters Gaza including at one point not allowing in chocolate bars. Israel also controls what the Egyptian military does at Rafah crossing. No one wants the Palestinians because their land is where they are at- they have no reason to go elsewhere. Israel has always been Pro Hamas because they did not want to pursue a 2 state solution with Fatah. Israel has shown the Palestinians what they get when they are ruled by a Sissy PTO in the Occupied West Bank: vigilante Israeli settlers going in with the IDF and killing everyone and seizing land. Your ignorance is not understandable. Your Islamaphobia is.
@Anonymous; Re: “Your Islamaphobia is.” Islam, through the beliefs and actions of its followers, is responsible for its own press, as far back as the birth of its prophet, the rise of his followers, and the manner in which they swept westward and held so much of that world in their thrall for centuries. There is no pleading innocence for this people and their theology which would subsume nations, and has no tolerance for non-believers to the point of a sword. They constitute, as do others of the pastoral ilk, another soiled patch in the quilt of the panorama of human history to this day. Twenty-three percent of the Nobel Prizes awarded to date, and what the efforts they represent contributed to the human condition, are held by members of the Jewish community. The achievements of the State of Israel in like kind have been well documented. The inward and suppressive doctrines of Islam have contributed to the downfall of their medieval greatness. The Afghanistan experience, the ISIL experience, among others, has shown that nothing to the benefit of humankind issues from the radicalism which prevails to the detriment of others in that community whose opposition to such would be crushed. Yet the Jew Haters would encourage and advocate for the latter while permanently deprive the world of the former.
“not allowing in chocolate bars.”
I never thought i’d see chocolate bars offered up as a serious argument for anything, much less terrorism.
Did that include m&m’s and hersheys kisses, or was it just bars? Because i would behead a kid or 2 for that!
Have another sip bro
I don’t want to waste too much time correcting all your errors because you can’t retain them, so I will deal narrowly with the idea of who the land of Israel belongs to. I will mention the four ways most people look at it.
Israel is sovereign over Jerusalem, the West Bank, which is correctly known as Judea and Samaria, and the Country of Israel based on all of the following:
1) International law
2 Indigenous people living there for >3,500 years
3) Winning in battle
4) Building the land.
The Palestinians do not meet those four thresholds and have no acceptable claim on that land. They were not thrown out of Israel like a similar number of Jews were from their Arab neighbors.
Gaza is not wanted by any Arab nation. In 2005, the people of Gaza were given the ability to run Gaza their way and vote for Hamas with continuous war instead of building their infrastructure like electric and desalinization plants to provide water and energy. Israel did all that, and most of Israel was desert and dry.
You are unable to provide any facts to prove your argument because they do not exist.
There are millions in each nation you fool, jordan and egypt
If they take the last bit that haven’t been slaughtered then jewland has their river to the sea genocide complete.
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
“There are millions in each nation you fool, jordan and egypt”
You are an idiot. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people that existed before 1920. There were Arabs, Jews, Christians and others. As a point of interest, somewhat before and shortly after the founding of the modern state of Israel, it was the Jewish farmers who were known as The Palestinians. It was only later that the Arabs of the area were called Palestinians.
Who were those Palestinians? Mugrabi is a Palestinian from North Africa, while al Masri is from Egypt. Jews are indigenous to Israel, but most Arab “Palestinians” are not. Palestine is a region that has been used to define today’s “Palestinian” who come from all over the Middle East and North Africa. So, of course, the Egyptians or Jordanian people who migrated to Israel have millions of relatives living in Egypt and Jordan.
These are the facts that can be confirmed, so if you wish to call anyone a fool, look in a mirror. But why does anyone have to be a fool? Why not look up these things or ask before drawing conclusions based on a lack of knowledge? I want no harm to Egyptians or Jordanians, no matter where they reside today, but one has to protect themselves from others trying to kill them. That is the dilemma. The Palestinians that came from Egypt, Jordan and elsewhere have been trying to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews for 75 years almost non-stop. They were offered a two-state solution but refused. Why? Because the leaders wanted all the Jews dead and control over the entire region. This started before the Jewish state was born, and we saw it during WW2 when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem agreed with the Nazis because the Grand Mufti, like Hitler, advocated genocide of the Jews.
@Anonymous
The two state concept is DOA. The Hamas actions over the course of decades ending in the October attack on civilians proves that failure.
Gaza has been worse than an “open air prison”. It is a place where a criminally run enterprise pretending to be a government and hiding under the front of a religion that bans the very actions that they carry out, has destroyed civilized society at all levels. And the PLO, cast out of Gaza by Hamas, is no better.
The comments about “Jurassic Park for humans” is cute but misses the point and much of the history as well. It does nothing more than Loomis does in vomiting back the the Hamas propaganda that ‘mainstream’ media floods their followers with on an hourly basis.
I agree, “The killing has to stop”. But your solution has been a failure for decades despite repeated negotiations. Really, how interested are you in stopping the killing if your ‘solution’ does not solve the problem?
A two state solution has not yet been tried despite whatever negotiations have taken place. Only thing to is to actually take the prospects seriously, something that hasn’t happened yet.
Learn history. Arafat didn’t want a two-state solution and neither does Hamas. Read their charters and follow their actions.
neither does israel you gasbagged doofus liar
The peace documents Israel was willing to sign are open for public viewing. Read them. Arafat got almost everything except the ability to kill all the Jews and wipe Israel off the map.
Israel gave Gaza to the Gazans, and in return, the Gazans sent missiles and terrorists to kill Israelis.
You have yet to get one thing right.
No, Eb, Hamas hiding among civilians is the current war crime. The “open air prison” is the direct result of Hamas’ governance of the region. If it was any other country than Israel doing this, you’d be celebrating the fight for liberation of the Gazans. Removing cancer requires killing some healthy tissue.
J
You must have been in a drunken stupor when there were “negotiations for a 2 state solution”
There is no 2 state solution. One “state” wants to “wipe” the other from the earth.
Have another sip
While one state has rendered the other inoperable.
With good reason
Can you tell us who yassar arafat was and how close he was to a 2 state solution? Whatever happened in those negotiations? We’ll wait here while u go look it up, because its clear you dont know.
israel and the usa offered a stinking pile of feces and also blocked it no matter what, that’s what happened
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
israel invaded and to this very day claims god gave it all to them, from the river to the sea
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
israel will NEVER give a state to those who they say their god has condemned and must be extinguished from the promised lands
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA THE god THEY SAY HATH GIVEN THEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!
u idiot
Shakdi
Spoken like a well informed, educated, logic led intellectual.
NOT!
You sound like a screaming terrorist. Why dont you end every post with allah akbar?
@Anonymous: Re: “We’ll wait here while u go look it up, because its clear you don’t know.” Of course it knows, but will never admit that here. He supports a religious and socio-political ethic whose moral compass alone is self-defeating, as I have commented on elsewhere. Why one persists in the endeavor of having intelligent discourse with ‘blocks of wood’ remains beyond my ken. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
As Professor Ellis wrote in the WSJ last week. American Universities are cancers undermining the foundations of western democracies. Those pseudo scholars cited by Turley are evil as they promote violence from their tax payer supported cushy tenured positions at both public and private universities. They are cowards and outright scum devoid of humanity. I attended 3 of these “elite” universities some 40 years ago and while most professors were liberal they were not totalitarian thugs. I received my best recommendation from a Professor at Berkeley whose political outlook was very different from mine. If I were at one of these universities today I suspect I would be in a hospital or in prison
He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches.
George Bernard Shaw – 1903
“Those who can….do.” “Those who can’….teach.” “Those who can’t teach…..teach teachers”
ZZDoc – 2023
How many of the 1200 did Israeli Hannah doctrine murderers murder? Just curious.
Hannibal protocol? The one not in play anymore, if it ever was.
Hannah doctrine lmao
Is that the hannah montana doctrine?
Have another sip bro.