For years, I have maintained that January 6th was a disgraceful riot but not an insurrection. That issue came to a head with the litigation over disqualifying former president Donald Trump and similar calls to block dozens of Republican incumbents from ballots. Now, the protest that became a riot has been elevated from an insurrection to a terrorist attack. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and other democrats are using the description despite no one being charged with insurrection or terrorism.
On Sunday, Ocasio-Cortez declared to CNN host Jake Tapper that “We’re talking about an individual who ordered essentially a terrorist attack on the Capital of the United States in order to retain power.”
In fairness to Ocasio-Cortez, she is not alone in such characterizations. For example, many of us were surprised when FBI Director Christopher Wray condemned the January riot at the U.S. Capitol as “domestic terrorism.” From a strictly legal basis, it was wildly inaccurate, in my view.
Liberal publications like Politico have railed against the Justice Department for not charging terrorism. That has been supported by some law professors.
Those charged for their role in the attack that day are largely facing trespass and other less serious charges — rather than insurrection or sedition. While the FBI launched a massive national investigation, it did not find evidence of an insurrection. While a few were charged with seditious conspiracy, no one was charged with insurrection. Trump has never been charged with either incitement or insurrection.
The media has fueled these claims. One year after the riot, CBS News mostly downplayed and ignored the result of its own poll showing that 76 percent viewed it for what it was, as a “protest gone too far.”
They argue that this riot could simply be treated as “calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct.” However, so could other protests that result in property damage and criminal acts. We have seen other legislative proceedings shutdown by protesters with members removed from the floor. The question is where to draw the line to avoid the arbitrary classification of some protests as terrorism and others as unlawful access or trespass.
Nancy Pelosi called protesters at her home Russian plants. Politicians called a protest on the Tennessee House floor “an insurrection.” Such rhetoric excess easily inflames the public, but it creates lasting erroneous views of the law. That in turn can pose a real threat to free speech as the line between demonstrations and terrorism are blurred.
Ocasio-Cortez’s view of what constitutes the crime of terrorism is dubious for many, particularly after she declared that racketeering is not a crime. However, there is pressure to ramp up rhetoric as we approach the 2024 elections. To start to call opponents or critics terrorists has long been a problem on both ends of the political spectrum.
As a corp communications writer, with a lengthy resume, and many published writing credits, I am always shocked at how truly smart the American population is. They always manage to see through the bull crap of the leftist media and propagandists. FYI to Americans, people like myself are normally outnumbered 9 to one in those newsrooms. Many of them are soul-less individuals and generally very unhappy and poorly educated people like AOC. St Thomas Aquinas FULLY and FAIRLY presented his opponent’s view before sharing his own. He even thanked his opponents for ADVANCING THE DIALOGUE. You will honestly never see this integrity in American news. They honestly do not even respect their own LOYAL viewers. They are miserable people.
That would explain why they are even worse liars than politicians.
Well you would think your job title would incline you towards making a point when you write something. What is the point?
Leaders in our Congress should, by law, prove their IQ is 5 at a minimum. AOC would be out on her pretty little brown behind.
There’s no doubt she’s as dumb as a rock. But given the state of the electorate in America – aptly summarized by the phrase “clown world” – she’s likely to be elected our first female president. That’s a scary thought. Just prepare yourself for even more complete insanity than we have now, even if you didn’t think that was possible.
Murder, don’t cha know, is a good thing, if u talkin Trump. Yes, it’s a category. I never said it wasn’t. Don’t u Repugs listen? RICO is short for Rican, Poor Rican, which is a nation. I no. I’m the Law and we gonna arrest him. Go Letisha!
There is an insurrection and it has been ongoing since Biden took office. It is at the southern border, where over 8 million people have been ushered into this country, 70% of them young fighting-age men. Now there are immigrant centers all over the US, where these people are being given guns. This is an armed invasion and Joe Biden is the insurrectionist.
The invasion commenced on January 1, 1863, when an innately and justifiably adversarial, four-million-man, foreign, standing army was deployed on U.S. soil, when, per extant immigration law, the status of those people changed from that of “property” to “illegal alien,” and they must have been immediately compassionately repatriated, or deported, for failing to meet the immigration criteria in the Naturalization Act of 1802, which was in full force and effect.
There are now approximately 80 million improperly processed immigrants, or illegal aliens, in America, or the improperly naturalized ancestors of such.
Temporary workers, with no path to citizenship or the vote, may have been authorized for admission under the law.
George joins the original Democrats and now Soviet Democrats with this masterpiece of redefining terms and history while defending racism and slavery:
The invasion commenced on January 1, 1863, when an innately and justifiably adversarial, four-million-man, foreign, standing army was deployed on U.S. soil, when, per extant immigration law, the status of those people changed from that of “property” to “illegal alien”
1863? How about 1778 instead? I wonder if George is equally incensed that George Washington, Madison, Franklin et al allowed a very well armed foreign army and powerful navy (that Washington did not have) to be deployed on U.S. soil and waters? That would be the regular army and navy of France, for our resident racists whose grasp of history as well as the Constitution is incredibly lacking.
What are the chances that racists claiming to be Constitutionalists have never heard of the Treaty of Alliance signed in 1778? That resulted in the French military being critical to winning the war of independence?
That said, if you’re going to go full Soviet Democrat traditional racist, you might as well lie like Soviet Democrats do as they happily use the numbers that the hajji Arab Muslim terrorists in Gaza give them. Four million of them evil black trash Illegal Aliens (as George sees them) that he claims were in that standing Union army and navy, eh?
How big was the entire Union military? According to service records, Union troops numbered 2,672,341 in total (ten second web search to find that) – not quite three quarters of the numbers of evil black trash Illegal Aliens that George Lies Like The Big Guy, claiming that number treacherously fought against Democrat slave states.
“The Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union”.
Math being hard for virulent racists to deal with, that’s about 1/20th the number that George lies were black trash Illegal Aliens, treacherously fighting against the Democrat slave states.
George is reminiscent of Bribery Biden, another decrepit old racist, telling Americans he never once in his decades in Washington ever met a clean, well spoken, decent black American. Not Drs Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams who testified before him, and certainly not Justice Clarence Thomas… nothing more than black trash Illegal Aliens… until Biden met a fellow racist, a mulatto named Barack Obama who had renounced his white privilege to run for political office as a po’ black chil’.
Aside from being disgusting and repulsive, George is a fine example of the kind of “Republicans” that Soviet Democrats are eager to find and showcase as supposedly being representative of what they claim is the racist Republican party and voters.
George, you are both pathetic and disgusting. If not for that, you could be considered to be amusing.
“It’s the [law], stupid!”
– James Carville
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Ad hominem will not help you.
I submit, your erroneous opinion is of the law I quoted which you failed to objectively and effectively refute.
Secession is not prohibited, is a power reserved to the States (10th Amendment), and was fully constitutional, causing every subsequent act of Lincoln to be similarly unconstitutional.
Lincoln must have been impeached and convicted with extreme prejudice after denying fully constitutional secession.
Your misperception: Because secession is not prohibited, secession is prohibited.
Wrong.
Lincoln was illicitly and unconstitutionally allowed by the judicial branch to throw the baby out with the bathwater, the Constitution out with reprehensible slavery.
Lincoln, as all Americans, was bound to obey the law in a society of laws – slavery was licit by legislation and must have been resolved or abrogated by legislation.
On January 1, 1863, extant immigration law was the Naturalization Act of 1802, which Lincoln had no authority to violate, not to mention his unconstitutional confiscation of legal, deeded private property.
I, incidentally, did not make those laws.
Many Americans, including Founders, freed their slaves in their wills and, otherwise, took legal courses at extirpation.
Lincoln decided on the illegal imposition of marital law and multiple illegal and unconstitutional acts.
I certainly hope a future conservative president doesn’t decide to seize power and rule as a despot and tyrant.
It’s the law, stupid.
The tragedy is that while the left uses j6 as literally their only argument against another four years of peace and prosperity which is what we had with Trump, hundreds of Americans rot in jail. They are beaten, at least one says he was sexually assaulted, they are confined to solitary for long periods of time. Jake Lang and Ryan Samsel have been moved to the general population and not even Jake’s father knows where he is. The abuses perpetrated against the j6ers in federal custody far outweigh a broken window or two. I’m not saying j6 was ok. But the punishment far outweighs the crime. (Ps Jake Lang still has not been tried after over 3 years in federal prison).
The tragedy is that while the left uses j6 as literally their only argument against another four years of peace and prosperity which is what we had with Trump, hundreds of Americans rot in jail. They are beaten, at least one says he was sexually assaulted, they are confined to solitary for long periods of time. Jake Lang and Ryan Samsel have been moved to the general population and not even Jake’s father knows where he is.
“Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
Have any of the lawyers representing the J6 defendants who were hunted down just as vigorously as the Soviet Democrats street thugs in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists were equally vigorously given a pass from criminal prosecution for their earlier, much longer and much more violent attempted assault on the president in the White House ever challenged this under the 8th Amendment?
Trump Bond Reduced To $175 Million At 11th Hour
MONDAY, MAR 25, 2024 – 10:22 AM
Update (1233ET): Following the appeals court decision reducing his bond, Trump posted on Truth Social that he will satisfy it.
“We will abide by the decision of the Appellate Division, and post either a bond, equivalent securities, or cash.”
In the Monday decision, the appeals court also stayed Engoron’s ruling barring Trump from serving as an officer or director of a NY company for three years, and which had barred Trump and his corporate defendants from applying for loans from New York lenders over the same period.
The new order also stayed Engoron’s order barring Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump from serving as officers and directors of New York companies for two years.
Trump has 10 days to post the bond.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bond-reduced-175-million-11th-hour
@jimmyfailla
Trump is going to keep all of his properties because of this ruling. MSNBC is asking for privacy during this difficult time.
Breaking News! Trump bond lowered to $175 million, and he has 10 more days!
I would note that The Federalist, using FOI filing, obtained hidden January 6 Committee files showing that Trump tried to get some 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol before January 6!
All can search for: “Exclusive: Liz Cheney, January 6 Committee suppressed Exonerating Evidence of Trump’s Push for National Guard”!
Jimmy Dole extensively highlighted this report on his YouTube channel, podcast titled “They Hid the Evidence”!
Anonymous said: “I would note that The Federalist, using FOI filing, obtained hidden January 6 Committee files showing that Trump tried to get some 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol before January 6”
Yes, and here is some additional recent information on that subject
Former Defense Secretary Says Jan. 6 Committee Issued ‘Latent Threat’ to Keep Quiet
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/former-defense-secretary-says-jan-6-committee-issued-latent-threat-to-keep-quiet-5613979
Trump spearheaded a multi week illegal attempt to install himself as an unelected President. J6 was only part of it, and it also included the fake electors, pressuring local officials to disregard the vote tally and declare him the winner, and trying to get Pence to throw out Biden votes.
These are objective facts. Trump did an attempted coup.
Still repeating that lie, eh Sammy?
The more MAGAs deny the objective facts the dumber you all look.
Just because you say something is a fact, does not make it so.
You say a multi-week illegal attempt. Why is it when Democrats did the exact same thing, you were okay with it?
Can you say, “Double standard?”
The Jan 6th committee, was a clown show. And, more and more evidence shows how much it was a clown show. Liz Cheney went out of her way to hide evidence that contradicted the insurrection and coup narrative. SS agent testimony destroyed Cassey Hutchinson claims of Trump trying to grab the wheel.
See the above to the “The Federalist, using FOI filing, obtained hidden January 6 Committee files showing that Trump tried to get some 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol before January 6.”
And the linky provided by Number 6.
The attempted coup narrative you are so desperately clinging to, is falling apart. But in your fevered TDS, you will deny it till the very end. I have no doubt if Trump wins this November, you and your fellow TDS mentally ill leftists will still be here on the good professor’s blog, claiming Trump is not the legitimate president, repeating your attempted coup lie.
Now, who looks dumb?
Sammy, if you told us what day of the week it was, we would ignore you.
You must be auditioning for a troll job. Nobody would pay someone as worthless as you.
Do you get your ‘objective facts’ from your Tella Lie vision?
Sammy, do tell us, are you better off under the Biden admin? Or the Trump admin, pre-COVID?
Do you deny Bidenflation? Do you deny that you are paying more for nearly everything from groceries to gas, to utilities under the Biden admin? Obama’s economic advisor, Larry Summers, said injecting money from Biden’s America Rescue Act would give us inflation. And he was right. The majority of American’s are hurting under Biden disastrous economic policies. That is an objectionable fact.
How about the southern border invasion, enabled by Biden’s failed border policies. No other president had this issue. But all of a sudden, Biden needs laws passed, money to secure the border.
Look at all the crime! More Biden and Democrat failed policies. Now, some have cried that crime is lower than before. Yes. All those defund the police Democrat ran cities are reversing their failed policies and refunding the police. Imagine that, Sammy!
Under Trump, no new wars. Peace in the Middle-East. Biden, playing WWIII chicken with Russia, the Mid-East, and China.
Polls show what voters are most concerned about, the economy/inflation, border security are at the top of the list. These are real world things that impact them.
Not your lie of an attempted coup.
You might want to pay attention to what is actually going on in the real world.
Sammy, this is what the Biden admin is worried about, WH wants to repeal provision in recently enacted spending bill banning pride flags over US embassies
“A spokesperson said that the White House is going to try to repeal the provision.”
https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/white-house-slams-house-republicans-over-bill-would-ban-us-embassies-flying
Oh! My, Sammy! The Biden admin is so worried about this issue!
But F’ all those Americans who are suffering under Bidenflation!
Did you see where lay offs are on par with the 08′ financial crisis?
Gas prices are going up again?
Bidenflation went up last month?
But you are still worried about an attempted coup that never happened.
Now, who looks dumb?
We should not need law to make it clear that US embassies should not be flying anything except US flags.
Sammy, you spelled ‘subjective’ wrong.
Sammy, your anti-Jew Democrat party is showing, Hysteric Harvard protesters throw fit over concert by Israeli singer
https://www.campusreform.org/article/hysteric-harvard-protesters-throw-fit-over-concert-by-israeli-singer-/25060
You have more in common with the Third Reich than you do with American values and the Constitution.
We will remember how you would chant, “From river to sea!” and deny the Holocaust.
This is the face of the modern Democrat party.
Trump’s multi-week attempt was thwarted by <200 capitol police, most holding doors opened for incoming and outgoing "insurrectionists.".
You're not looking dumber, sammy – not possible.
attempted coup – lolol…
Why do you ceaselessly try to divide the nation with lies? Seriously, you are the worst this nation has to offer – a mindless waponytmsnbc regurgitating tool.
Sammy the virulent police state fascist Soviet Democrat and serial liar tried this as the Soviet Democrat version of American justice:
Trump spearheaded a multi week illegal attempt to install himself as an unelected President.
It’s legal for Sammy’s Soviet Democrat politicians to challenge an election using all means available, whether when Al Gore lost to Bush (challenging both Bush elections) or after Trump smashed Killary. Or the angry black racist wannabe governor of Georgia, claiming she’s the real governor of Georgia – and racist Republicans stole it from her. After black American Georgia voters voted against her.
Also quite legal under Sammy Police State Fascism Law for entertainers and billionaires to spend weeks trying to rig an election by publicly offering bribes to Electoral College voters in exchange for changing their vote for Trump to being faithless electors voting for Clinton instead. No snivelling and whining from Sammy about any of that being illegal!
Sammy’s police state fascist vision of what’s illegal says it’s also completely legal for Bolshevik Barack and Bribery Biden try rigging an election by ordering their FBI Directors, their Attorney Generals, etc to repeatedly perjure themselves to FISA courts – and utter false documents to the court while doing so – also a repeated felony. No criminal conspiracy or RICO crime there!
But of course, Sammy not only Lies Like A Proud Biden – this pathetic creature is also a virulent police state fascist voting for virulent police state fascists from long before Trump ever announced his run for office.
Like all the resident police state fascist Soviet Democrats here, if Sammy didn’t have two different and opposing sets of standards and morals – Sammy would have none whatsoever.
What a creepy creature who would be in their natural environment working beside Lenin’s Lavarentiy Beria in the old Soviet Union.
“These are objective facts.”
Then you could provide evidence.
Regardless, I thjough those on the left claimed there is no such thing as an objective fact.
I feel that you are wrong – therefore – according to YOUR ideology – you can not challenge “My Truth”.
AOC analyzes the bar scene. All I want to know is if AOC knows how to make a “Harvey Wall Banger”.
Jonathan: Since Jan 6 you have continued to argue it was just a “riot”—not an “insurrection”. Why? Because you and the supporters of DJT don’t want him to carry the label of “insurrectionist” as the 2024 heats up. But what is the reality?
What does DJT say about Jan 6? Last month he charged: “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi”. An this is an admission from the person who led and actually caused the insurrection–although he wants to falsely blame Pelosi. Need any further proof of what happened on Jan 6?
Two courts in Colorado also found DJT engaged in “insurrection”. District Judge Sarah Wallace, after a week of testimony, found that DJT did in fact “engage in insurrection” and rejected his attorneys’ arguments that DJT was simply engaging in free speech. That factual finding was upheld by the Colorado SC.
In addition, 3 respected conservative constitutional scholars, including Michael Luttig, have argued DJT violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment that prohibits those who “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding public office. Although the SC overruled the Colorado SC on whether DJT could appear on the ballot, SCOTUS did not address the important issue of whether he engaged in “insurrection”.
That leaves us with two state courts and various legal scholars who conclude that DJT did engage in “insurrection”. No other court has ruled otherwise. And what is your counter argument? What is your case authority or scholarly support for the argument that Jan 6 was just a “riot?
Your only argument is that many who were involved in the assault on the Capitol were only charged with “trespass” and other minor offenses. That can be explained by the fact that many who went inside the Capitol did not engage in attacks on police or other acts of violence. But what about all those who did engage in violence? Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the violent Oathkeepers, was convicted and sentenced to 18 years for “seditious conspiracy”. Enrique Tarrio and 3 other members of the Proud Boys were also convicted of “seditious conspiracy” under Section 2384 of the US Criminal Code that makes it a crime to “conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States”. It’s specious to argue everyone should have been charged with the same crime to make Jan. 6 and “insurrection”. Section 2384 only requires that 2 or more people engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government–the very definition of an “insurrection”.
What happened on Jan 6 was by definition an “insurrection”–an attempt to overthrow the results of the 2020 election so DJT could remain in power–to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. Although on a larger scale if we accept your argument it could also be argued the Civil War was also just a “riot” that got out of hand! That’s non-sensical!
I guess you have no concern over the deplorable conditions being experienced by those incarcerated over this preplanned structured riot.
The one entity that as actual jurisdiction, ruled NOT GUILTY
No one has been charged with insurrection or domestic terrorism.
The SC over ruled the CO SC, correctly.
You lame attempt to equate the Civil War to a riot is not only non-sensical, but stupid.
You leftists keep pushing for a civil war, you just might get it.
Dennis McIntyre, pathetic Soviet Democrat police state fascist liar showed up late for work here today with this:
Jonathan: Since Jan 6 you have continued to argue it was just a “riot”—not an “insurrection”. Why? Because you and the supporters of DJT don’t want him to carry the label of “insurrectionist” as the 2024 heats up.
Does anyone believe that Dennis performing here as Bribery Biden’s version of Saddam Hussein’s Baghdad Bob, lying his police state fascist ass off with every single posts, isn’t aware that even the head police state fascist James Smith hasn’t charged Trump with insurrection? Dennis/Baghdad Bob isn’t aware that the FBI report on the riot said there was no insurrection?
That’s news to Dennis/Baghdad Bob – he’s not lying (this time)… he just doesn’t know any of that! Yeah… and there’s cheap ocean front property for sale in Arizona.
What is your case authority or scholarly support for the argument that Jan 6 was just a “riot?… What happened on Jan 6 was by definition an “insurrection”
How about we give Dennis, our resident police state fascist a consistency test. He likes to play Internet Lawyer, so let’s call it a stare decisis test:
A few weeks before January 6th, a much larger number of Soviet Democrat street thugs in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists were engaged in a much larger and much more violent assault on the White House while Trump and his family were inside. The Soviet street thugs attempted to murder Secret Service and police with thrown Molotov Cocktails and other weapons – weapons not present on January 6th weeks later. The Secret Service were so alarmed they would lose the battle for the White House that they evacuated the president and his family to safety. An action that Soviet Democrats like Dennis publicly gloated and cheered over.
What’s the chances that Dennis McIntyre will no longer hide in his usual cowardice after delivering one of his Soviet Democrat political tracts – but instead explain that was not an insurrection despite all the attempts to murder federal officers protecting the president and his family? No, it was just one of the Soviet Democrats’ famous “Mostly Peaceful Protests”.
Can Dennis/Baghdad Bob explain why his definition of “insurrection” does not cover the attempt on the life of the president and his family weeks earlier (they weren’t storming the White House while throwing Molotov Cocktails because they wanted a selfie with the president)? No, that coordinated attempt on the life of the president and his family in the White House wasn’t “insurrection” – but the J6 riot certainly was?
Dennis, you vile, pathetic police state fascist, if you haven’t noticed, your assignment here to perform as a serial liar for Bribery Biden is having the opposite effect. Polls increasingly show that battleground states, Latinos, etc are rejecting your lies to favor Trump at this point in the upcoming election.
You and your lies are failing throughout the nation, Dennis/Baghdad Bob – not just here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-leads-biden-in-four-key-swing-states-new-poll-shows/ss-BB1keorV
https://nypost.com/2024/03/22/us-news/trump-leads-biden-by-8-points-one-of-the-largest-polling-margins-yet-in-michigan-poll/
The “insurrection” communist plot is increasingly similar to the previous “Russia Dossier” plot: it’s falling apart with more witnesses coming forward to testify how the Soviet Democrats’ police state fascist January 6th committee hid and destroyed exculpatory evidence and coerced witnesses who had earlier said what Trump did before January 6th were actions completely the opposite of attempting an insurrection.
theepochtimes.com/us/former-defense-secretary-says-jan-6-committee-issued-latent-threat-to-keep-quiet-5613979
“Since Jan 6 you have continued to argue it was just a “riot”—not an “insurrection”. ”
Because that is what it was – and not even a very consequential riot.
I am sure that Trump would be perfectly happy to be labeled an “insurectionist” – meaning someone who stirs things up.
You constantly fixate on spin and word games – as if the rest of us are not familiar with reality.
You have had 4 years to prove your arguments. You had an totally rigged J6 committee – and still you FAILED.
“What does DJT say about Jan 6? Last month he charged: “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi””
If you are going to play word games – you do not get to complian that Trump does too.
“Two courts in Colorado also found DJT engaged in “insurrection”.”
And many on the right – including courts found that Biden is allowing an “invasion” at the southern border – that means he too can be removed from the ballot.
“In addition, ….”
Blah Blah Blah. The Supreme court shot you down 9-0.
” SCOTUS did not address the important issue of whether he engaged in “insurrection”.”
Correct – unlike the left wing nut judges you cited – a long string of whom refused to by your nonsense.
SCOTUS did not rule on things it does not have to.
That is how the rule of law works.
“That leaves us with …”
NOTHING.
You seem to think that reality can be decided by a couple of left wing nut courts.
” No other court has ruled otherwise.”
False.
” And what is your counter argument?”
insurrection:
The act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint; specifically, the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state; incipient or limited rebellion.
“What is your case authority or scholarly support for the argument that Jan 6 was just a “riot?”
What is your case authority or scholarly support for the argument that there is a brain inside your skull ?
Logic is not word games.
“Your only argument is ..”
Do not tell other people what their argument is – especially when you do so, so incredibly poorly.
“Insurrection” as meant by the 14th amendment, as opposed to “Martin Luther King lead an insurrection against white supremecy”
requires a heavily armed orgainized effort to take power from government.
Nearly all acts of political violence in the US have been far far worse than J6 – even THOSE are not an “insurection” as meant by the 14th amendment.
Now if you intend “insurrection” – to mean standing up and speaking Truth to power – as MLK did – then absolutely Trump is an insurrectionist.
J6 was not only not an insurrection – it was not even a particularly consequetial riot. It was less violent than almost any given night in portland that summer.
Nor was it an intentional riot – the violence started AFTER the CP accidentally lobbed tear gas into the crowd.
Since you want “authorites” – the video of the west tunnel prior to and immediately after the CP fired a tear gas grenade is ONE of many such “authorities”
“That can be explained by the fact that many who went inside the Capitol did not engage in attacks on police or other acts of violence.”
i.e. they did not come within 10,000 miles of engaging in insurrection.
” Stewart Rhodes,Enrique Tarrio and 3 other members of the Proud Boys were …”
All NOT PRESENT in Washington on J6. Engaged in NO VIOLENCE WHATSOEVER,
and DOJ found nothing in their communications about committing acts of violence or bringing weapons.
All you are doing is proving that DC courts are corrupt.
“It’s specious to argue everyone should have been charged with the same crime”
Correct – none of them should have been charged with crimes they OBVIOUSLY did not commit.
Tresspass on the most important public forum for free speech in the US while congress is in cession is constitutionally impossible.
Sedition is not possible – absent actual planning of an armed attempt to overthrow the government.
BTW “Over throw the governmnt” and “Overturn the election” – are entirely different.
The first is illegal, the second is not
“Section 2384 only requires that 2 or more people engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government–the very definition of an “insurrection”.”
Are you serious ?
You are going to claim that the worst threat to this country EVER is the result of the non-violent actions of a handful of people who were not even present ?
Your own argument is making a fool of you.
The US has had several actual insurrections in the past.
Thousands of ARMED and ORGANIZED people were involved.
And in nearly all prior instances, after the insurrection was put down – the “insurrectionsists” were told to go home.
See Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion
or Shayes insurrection.
“What happened on Jan 6 was by definition an “insurrection”–an attempt to overthrow the results of the 2020 election”
So when congress refused to certifgy the 1876 election – that was an insurection ?
John Say: I will ignore most of your usual bloviation. Let’s focus on your claim that my statement that “No other court has ruled otherwise” is “False”. So tell us, John, what court has ruled Jan.6 was NOT an “insurrection”? Please give us a citation.
And here it is Monday and the World did not come to an end for Trump.
The Appelate court blinked,
and has radically reduced the bond – almost certainly because even by EnMoron’s idiotic logic he had screwed up basic math and fraudulently misrepresented the value of Trump’s alleged windfall – Hmm can he and James be sued ?
They have also given Trump 10 more days.
And they have tossed the parts of EnMoron’s order that preclude Trump and Family from managing their own businesses.
They had biden slapped EnMoron on that before. But apparently it did not take.
Your predictions proved false.
Why are we to beleive you about anything else ?
The big question is how does someone like AOC get elected and stay on the federal gravy train? She’s has the intelligence of a brick and personality of a turnip, who votes for this dolt?
Wait!
Bricks have NO intelligence and turnips have NO personality.
New Yorkers. That sums it up.
I always love these bumper stickers down here in my dirty South! If you Love NY take I95 North or Happiness is a Canuck heading home for summer with a NYer under each arm and one in the trunk!
Professor Turley has never hidden his contempt for the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for inciting an insurrection & the 7 GOP Senators who voted to convict Trump for inciting an insurrection. Turley presumably believes it’s irrelevant that Trump is vowing to pardon his supporters who were convicted of committing violence & assaulting police officers during the J6 Capitol attack & that many of those Trump supporters believed they were acting under the orders of Trump.
Turley says CBS News mostly downplayed & ignored the results of their poll which showed “76 percent viewed it for what it was, as a ‘protest gone too far.’” Turley himself ignores that same CBS New poll showed that 55% described the actions of the people who forced their way into the Capitol on January 6, 2021 as “an insurrection” & 63% believe those people “were trying to overturn the election & keep Donald Trump in power.” 66% believe democracy & the rule of law is “Very threatened” or “Somewhat threatened.”
Those sentiments are shared by Trump’s former White House lawyer, Ty Cobb, who said Trump “poses the gravest threat to democracy that we’ve ever seen.” And Trump’s Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper: “Yes, I do regard him as a threat to democracy.
Democracy as we know it, our institutions, our political culture, all those things that make America great.”
Turley presumably believes it’s irrelevant that Trump is vowing to pardon his supporters who were convicted of committing violence</
Trump is the most transparent and honest President we have ever had. Pardon power is plenary. The check on that power is the voters.
Biden should tell us he is going to Pardon Hunter. But he will keep all of his pardons hidden until the last days of his term.
Big contrast between President Trump and Biden.
Iowan2,
That right there.
Shows that Trump is a man of character.
The BCF, anything but enriching themselves.
Once out of office, I would not be surprised if the BCF, with no top cover from the DNC, the corrupt DOJ, FBI, IRS, would find themselves in financial ruin.
Be fun to see!
They are so brainwashed and blind they can’t see their own hypocrisy. How many Antifa and BLM protesters are serving time for federal crimes in comparison? Is opening our borders against federal law a form of insurrection? Is weaponizing our DOJ against our country insurrection? Is spying on a President and creating sedition during a four year term insurrection?
These people are clueless clowns, a storm is coming.
Another craven Soviet Democrat Anonymous police state fascist full coward tried this distraction
Professor Turley has never hidden his contempt for the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for inciting an insurrection & the 7 GOP Senators who voted to convict Trump for inciting an insurrection.
Why should anyone hide their contempt for un-American’s of any political party in political office that claim Trump deliberately attempted an unarmed insurrection?
Supposedly by daring to hold a public rally where he said “peacefully go and protest” (the opposite of Schumer’s threats to SCOTUS justices by name) – so they impeached Trump AFTER he left office? A few lickspittle Republicans going along with that charade made it legitimate.
Liz Cheney hiding and destroying J6 exculpatory evidence in that Soviet style committee working in partnership with that impeachment made it legitimate?
Why is this supposedly a distraction to hold these vile police state fascists in contempt? Because corrupt police state fascist Soviet Democrats NEVER break ranks as Republicans will? But instead, will defend Obama and Biden using their party’s fraudulent “Russia Dossier”, wrapped in their repeated felonies of sending the FBI to perjure themselves to FISA judges for fraudulent warrants to hunt Trump and anyone related to his campaign, means that’s legitimate – not one of their “threats to democracy”?
Why do police state fascists pimping for their fellow police state fascist Soviet Democrats claim these party apparatchiks and lickspittles whose idea of “defending democracy” was years of crime promoting their “Russia Dossier” through the FBI perjuring themselves to FISA courts, celebrating Soviet Democrat street thugs assaulting the White House just weeks before J6… and then claiming “Don’t watch what we’re doing with your lying eyes – it’s not us! It’s Trump that’s the threat to democracy!”
It’s telling that NOT ONE of the military who violated the USMCJ by trashing the Commander In Chief as a “threat to democracy”, have followed up on that by saying “Biden is ALSO a threat to democracy” because of his decades of stealing and sharing classified information from SCIFS, his desertion of Americans to die in Benghazi and in Afghanistan for political purposes, using government law enforcement and intelligence agencies to attempt to take out a president with a fraudulent “Russia Dossier”, etc. And of course, the overwhelming evidence that The Big Guy was selling out America from his White House office. Not a word from Mark Esper on any of that – how patriotic of him!
For Soviet Democrats and their craven Anonymous feckless police state fascist apparatchiks here, it’s always BBBUUUTTTTT…. MUH TRUMP! AND DON’T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES WHILE YOU WATCH OUR POLITICAL THEATER AND POLICE STATE FASCISM IN ACTION!
AOC encapsulates everything wrong with the Democrat party. She has a low IQ and attacks others in the most ignorant way possible. She has contributed nothing to the US government or to America.
“Those charged for their role in the attack that day are largely facing trespass and other less serious charges — rather than insurrection or sedition.”
Has Turley forgotten the leaders of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys convcted of seditious conspiracy. If he tells us often enough it was a spontaneous riot, he can count on many here to believe it. I do blame the Justice Dept for not charging members of Congress and those in the War Room for their role.
“LAWFULLY SLATED”
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.”
“And we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.”
– President Donald J. Trump, January 6, 2021
Why does the allegedly and apparently dependent, African-American, direct and/or indirect beneficiary of wholly unconstitutional welfare, affirmative action, quotas, forced busing, WIC, SNAP, HAMP, HARP, “fair housing,” “non-discrimination,” etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam, emerge periodically from his own inimitable and triumphant blog and refuse to respect and refer to the clearly superior and eminently accomplished Good Professor Jonathan Turley by the appropriate honorific?
Enigma, individual actions do not constitute a crime for the whole. You should know that, but you repeatedly make the same mistake.
enigmainblackcom, the racist Soviet Democrat who tells readers of his blog he comes here to see what normal Americans are thinking, tried this:
Has Turley forgotten the leaders of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys convcted of seditious conspiracy.
Is William Spivey (enigmainblackcom) one of the violent racist Black Liars & Marxists among the mob who just weeks before January 6th assaulted the White House in an attempt to kill Trump and his family inside?
A riot (insurrection?) much more violent than January 6th shortly afterwards, with multiple attempts to murder Secret Service and federal police with weapons… an attempt where the Secret Service evacuating the president and his family in fears they couldn’t stop the assaulting Soviet Democrat street thugs was met with jeers and celebration by Black Liars & Marxists like Spivey/enigmainblack.
Not one word mumbled about “insurrection” by a single Soviet Democrat, whether racist, police state fascist, or both. Certainly not by Spivey, the racist Soviet Democrat race baiter, who makes his living by selling racism and Marxism on his blog.
Or you weren’t there – but you think your fellow racist Black Liars & Marxists and Antifa would-be murderers weren’t engaged in an insurrection in that prolonged and much more violent attempt to murder the president and his family in the White House? You just wanted a selfie once you got in with you and the president and the flaming Molotov Cocktail just being a photo prop?
Being as you self-identify as a gifted writer (despite your book bombing after it’s launch), give us the police state fascist version of why this DoJ let all of those involved in the earlier riot/insurrection attempt on the life of Trump in his family escape without anything even slightly resembling what they have done with the J6 defendants.
Or would you prefer to instead continue attempting to pose as a fair minded commentator with one single set of standards applied to all – desperately hoping that if you try that fraud long enough, eventually we can be counted on to believe you aren’t just another version of Louis Farrakhan?
I stopped listening to AOC when she admitted she at one time was frightened and didn’t know what a garbage disposal was.
(I forgive her for that. I still tighten up every time I must take a spoon and “pop” (press in the side) of one of those refrigerated biscuit cans….)
Lin,
Okay, I chuckled reading that. 🙂
Perhaps this is a rhetorical question, but:
How do you have a meaningful debate with the exchange of ideas to try and find common ground or at least learn more about the concerns and beliefs of others when the other person/group insists that any discussion must start with everyone accepting their version of reality – what they call Speaking Their Truth?
So the Dennis McIntyres of the world demand that we accept that men can get pregnant – and also, sexual rights (whatever they are) require that women must kowtow to men who demand to use their changerooms and compete against them in sports? That demand that we must accept their definition of January 6th was actually an insurrection, BUT the earlier far more violent attempted assault on the White House that led to the Secret Service evacuating Trump and his family wasn’t.
The months of deadly rioting, the weeks of repeated murders of police officers and attempted murder of police officers by the Soviet Democrats street thugs in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists was NOT insurrection. The armed occupation of entire city blocks for weeks, by Soviet Democrat street thugs carrying what they term “assault weapons” was also NOT insurrection.
How do you have meaningful discussion with those who not only demand that their new language and new definition of words must be used – but also, they must be allowed to have two completely different applications of whatever definition they choose?
One standard for them and their police state fascists in government and street goons – and a completely different standard for anyone who they see as standing in their way. Whether a pro-life demonstrator, Trump, parents who dare to attend a school board meeting in protest, or the FBI Directors, Obama Attorney Generals, Mueller, et al who repeatedly perjured themselves to FISA courts regarding the “Russia Dossier” they knew was a Clinton/Obama/DNC funded creation, uttered false documents to those courts (like an overvalued loan application, kinda?) and are not only defended by these people, but celebrated as Heroes Of The Cause for what they did.
When Marxists and police state fascists refuse to be honest enough to have a rational debate with, by extension, can SMEs like Prof. Turley write opinion pieces that will get a fair and rational hearing from these people?
Old Airborne Dog,
Great comment.
And good question. How does one have a discussion when another denies reality, like the Jan 6th riot was not an insurrection or terrorist attack? Even pointing out that no one has been charged with insurrection or terrorist attack, they still will not acknowledge that fact and continue to reside in their alternative reality.
There is no ability to have a discussion with these people.
Again, I say we need to form up our own society, culture, economy, education system etc. operating in parallel with theirs and the two shall never meet. I do not want to live in their alternative reality where it is okay to groom children with pornography in elementary schools, men in women’s sports, mutilating of young, healthy bodies.
UpstateFarmer posted in part this:
I say we need to form up our own society, culture, economy, education system etc. operating in parallel with theirs and the two shall never meet.
If that happened – two countries within one national border – it would not only fail but most likely be worse.
One party will be in control of the DoJ; it won’t be evenly divided. Ditto Congress who do the taxing and the spending.
Conservatives/constitutionalists are a lot harder to get at without inflicting collateral damage on the voters who keep you in power when they’re mixed in the general population. When they’re segregated, the targeting is easier and your voters are protected from what you do to those you’re targeting.
I don’t enjoy showing up for the fight every day, just as I don’t enjoy taking the time to rebutt, mock, and expose two faced liars like Dennis McIntyre and the feckless and cowardly Anonymous Soviet Democrats. There are many other things I would rather be spending my time doing than tearing down these police state fascists; after 30 years of jumping out of airplanes and trips to the two way rifle range with high quality Americans, dealing with these anti-American Soviet Democrat police state fascists leaves me feeling like I need a shower.
But it is true: silence is consent. Segregating ourselves in hopes of being rid of their poisonous presence would just make it worse.
At least, with respect, that’s why I believe the opposite, despite the appeal of parallel nations that you and Dan Bongino and others suggest.
Focused, specific efforts to do that might be very useful. But not a segregation of cultures, economy, education, etc.
Old Airborne Dog,
Here is the kind of parallel like system we need,
Inside the New Wave of Old-School Education
https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-the-new-wave-of-classical-education
FBI Director Robert Wray needs to testify under oath who the FBI assets at or near the capital on January 6th were. Those assets then can testify as to what each one’s role was.
January 6th was a picnic made worse by incompetent government employees, Communist sympathizers and Pelosi.
Why did Rays Epps get a slap on the wrist for his actions?
Anonymous said: “FBI Director Robert Wray needs to testify under oath who the FBI assets at or near the capital on January 6th were…”
Sadly, I would not trust Wray (or his assets) to tell anything remotely resembling the truth under any circumstances, including a solemnly sworn oath. Events have come to that pass.
Matt Taibbi is correct: Trump is the Democrats’ Emmanuel Goldstein (from Orwell’s 1984). They and their lapdog media are using him to invoke fear in the populace. It’s complete BS. And the more the Dems make outrageous claims and gaslight, the less rational people believe anything they say. Unfortunately, there are still many people who watch MSNBC and read the New York Times.
AOC’s role in the Democrat party is to be the pit bull attacking all political opponents. She’s dumb enough not to understand how they’re using her, and shameless enough not to ask any questions. There’s a few of those in every party.
Rhetorical excess is the hallmark of the radical left. I’m reminded of a statement from my high school AP English teacher; words have meaning and words can be used for good or bad purposes. It’s too bad that those on the left never learned the lesson.
As for AOC, she is an “educated” bartender. Sadly those who are easily influenced actually believe her drivel.