Below is my column in The Hill on the ruling in Mahmoud v. Taylor in favor of parents who want to withdraw their children from LGBTQ lessons in public schools. I agreed with the majority, but it was Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent (joined by Justices Kagan and Jackson) that was the most striking in its apocalyptic take on allowing parents to remove their children from these classes. Despite the fact that various opt-outs have been allowed for parents, this one is deemed a threat to the very essence of public education.
Here is the column:
The end is nigh.
That seems to be the message this week from the three liberal justices at the Supreme Court when faced with the nightmarish prospect of parents being able to remove their young children from mandatory classes on gay, lesbian and transgender material.
The decision in Mahmoud v. Taylor was a roaring victory for parents in public schools. The Montgomery County, Md. school system fought to require the reading of 13 “LGBTQ+-inclusive” texts in the English and Language Arts curriculum for kids from pre-K through 12th grade. That covers children just 5-11 years old.
The children are required to read or listen to stories like “Prince & Knight” about two male knights who marry each other, and “Love Violet” about two young girls falling in love. Another, “Born Ready: The True Story of a Boy Named Penelope,” discusses a biological girl who begins a transition to being a boy.
Teachers were informed that this was mandatory reading, which must be assigned, and that families would not be allowed to opt out. The guidelines for teachers made clear that students had to be corrected if they expressed errant or opposing views of gender. If a child questions how someone born a boy could become a girl, teachers were encouraged to correct the child and declare, “That comment is hurtful!”
Even if a student merely asks, “What’s transgender?,” teachers are expected to say, “When we’re born, people make a guess about our gender and label us ‘boy’ or ‘girl’ based on our body parts. Sometimes they’re right and sometimes they’re wrong.”
Teachers were specifically told to “[d]isrupt” thinking or values opposing transgender views.
Many families sought to opt out of these lessons. The school allows for such opt-outs for a variety of reasons, but the Board ruled out withdrawals for these lessons. Ironically, it noted that so many families were upset and objecting that it would be burdensome to allow so many kids to withdraw.
The Montgomery County school system is one of the most diverse in the nation. And Christian, Muslim, and other families objected to the mandatory program as undermining their religious and moral values.
The majority on the Supreme Court ruled that, as with other opt-outs, Montgomery County must allow parents to withdraw their children from these lessons. The response from liberal groups was outrage. Liberal sites declared “another victory for right-wing culture warriors,” even though the public overwhelmingly supported these parents.
However, the most overwrought language came not from liberal advocates but liberal justices.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor declared that there “will be chaos for this nation’s public schools” and both education and children will “suffer” if parents are allowed to opt their children out of these lessons. She also worried about the “chilling effect” of the ruling, which would make schools more hesitant to offer such classes in the future. It was a particularly curious concern, since parents would like teachers to focus more on core subjects and show greater restraint in pursuing social agendas.
The majority pushed back against “the deliberately blinkered view” of the three liberal justices on dismissing the objections of so many families to these lessons. Nevertheless, even though such material was only recently added and made mandatory, the liberal justices declared that “the damage to America’s public education system will be profound” and “threatens the very essence of public education.”
The truth is that this decision could actually save public education in the U.S.
Previously, during oral argument, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson had shocked many when she dismissed the objections of parents, stating that they could simply remove their children from public schools. It was a callous response to many families who do not have the means to pay for private or parochial schools.
Yet, it is a view previously expressed by many Democratic politicians and school officials. State Rep. Lee Snodgrass (D-Wis.) once insisted: “If parents want to ‘have a say’ in their child’s education, they should homeschool or pay for private school tuition out of their family budget.”
Iowa school board member Rachel Wall said: “The purpose of a public ed is to not teach kids what the parents want. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client is not the parent, but the community.”
These parents still harbor the apparently misguided notion that these remain their children.
Today, many are indeed following Jackson’s advice and leaving public schools. The opposition of public-sector unions and many Democratic politicians to school vouchers is precisely because families are fleeing the failing public school systems. Once they are no longer captive to the system, they opt for private schools that offer a greater focus on basic educational subjects and less emphasis on social activism.
Our public schools are imploding. Some are lowering standards to achieve “equity” and graduating students without proficiency skills. Families are objecting to the priority given to political and social agendas to make their kids better people when they lack math, science, and other skills needed to compete in an increasingly competitive marketplace.
This decision may well save public schools from themselves by encouraging a return to core educational priorities.
It may offer some cover for more moderate school officials to push back against such demands for mandatory readings to young children.
What the majority calls “the deliberately blinkered view” of the dissent could just as well describe the delusional position of public school boards and unions. Schools are facing rising debt and severe declines in enrollment, yet unions in states like Illinois are demanding even more staff increases and larger expenditures.
The liberal justices are right about one thing: This is a fight over “the essence of public education.” However, it is the parents, not the educators (or these justices) who are trying to restore public education to meet the demands for a diverse nation.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and the best-selling author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
The fact that this curriculum is mandatory for pupils aged 5-11 is disturbing. Cancelling freedom of thought and freedom of speech for children is not compatible with public education. It should only occur in private schools, which are immune from respect for some fundamental rights of the Constitution.
Government schools are the greatest threat to our culture. By that, I mean to classical European culture. Giving control of our children to unknown individuals everyday should be considered a crime. A Child, especially young girls for obvious reasons, should be accompanied by a parent or close relative to these halls of Indoctrination.
Mr. Turley, why do you insist on referring to the three leftwing justices of the Supreme Court as “liberal”?
Because they are. Pay attention to their words
I am a retired public school English teacher, and I have one stern word of warning to you ALL:
the destruction of democrat indoctrination in the guise of ‘public school’ is a consummation devoutly to be wished.
get all democrats out of public education. set flamethrowers to ‘Send democrats Back to Hell!’
A knitting needle through the heart? Indeed…
It’s nihilism. The children express nihilism.
“Set flamethrowers to send Democrats back to Hell”
Careful you don’t attract unfriendly law enforcement with your perceived violent rhetoric.(I was warned about this earlier by some silly poster on this comment section).
You had named specific person to be targeted for assassination. That’s different than a highly generalized comment like the one you’re responding to.
I named no one to be “targeted” for “assassination”, you moron. Whereas, the above just threatened the Democratic party.
Go back to your dimestore spy paperbacks..
Self post-script:
I predicted “accountability” for the Trump administration after they leave office in the form of legal proceedings.
Making a prediction is hardly the same as “targeting” someone for “assassination”.
You sound like a scary person.
You said:
“Stephen Miller is the lowest form of protoplasm.
I don’t know how or when, but there will be accountability imposed upon the Trump administration.”
AKA
“Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”
You are a lying pig. You dehumanized a prominent member of Trump administration, then called for some vague “accountability” to follow.
You’re trying to weasel your way out of your own words now, but it’s not going to fly. Your dog whistles and code words are more than enough to activate the nutcases that infest the left who sit ready and willing to conduct horrible violence on innocent people. And you know it.
Threatening Trump officials with targeting and more lawfare merely justifies the FBI and DOJ today to further investigate and punish the misconduct of the left under Biden and Obama.
We need to end this communist idiocy of criminalizing political differences.
Do you have evidence of any actual crimes committed by those in the Trump administration ?
There is plenty of evidence of criminal conduct in the Obama and Biden administration.
The Democratic Party is not a person, you moron. It takes a very low IQ commenter to predict a visit from law enforcement for verbally trashing a party without naming or in any way identifying an actual person, you moron.
OT
“In a 56-44 vote on Monday, the United States Senate rejected a measure on President Donald Trump’s Big, Beautiful Bill that would have removed millions of illegal aliens from Medicaid.”
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The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
Medicaid is unconstitutional.
Congress has no power to tax for or fund Medicaid for anyone, much less illegal aliens; Medicaid does not constitute debt, defense, or general welfare—”general welfare” meaning “ALL WELL PROCEED,” comprising security and basic infrastructure for all or the whole.
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Article 1, Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,…to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare….
Fine, keep medicaid because it prevents the spread of disease to some degree. Make cuts elsewhere to cover the cost or raise taxes for everyone – equity. Sell public land, cut costs to education, foreign aid, fire federal employees.
What about a universal injunction, class action of taxpayers who cap taxes? Fiduciary class action of taxpayers and land owners. TLO.
Medicaid must have been struck down in 1965 by an impartial and constitutional Supreme Court.
LISTEN UP DIPSTICK, THERE’S TUBERCULOSIS RUNNING AROUND, WHOOPING COUGH AKA WHOOPING COUGH CAUSE YOU’LL GET A WHOOPING IF YOU COUGH, MEASLES, MONKEY POX, HIV, AIDS, PEDICULOSIS, VD, IN THE MILLIONS.
DON’T CUT MEDICAID.
“It’s the [Constitution], stupid!”
– James Carville
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I really do hate to disappoint you, comrade.
This is the United States of America.
Medicaid has been in existence for 55 years, yet we still have “TUBERCULOSIS RUNNING AROUND, WHOOPING COUGH AKA WHOOPING COUGH CAUSE YOU’LL GET A WHOOPING IF YOU COUGH, MEASLES, MONKEY POX, HIV, AIDS, PEDICULOSIS, VD, IN THE MILLIONS.”
Just as the government near monopoly on education has failed at teaching inner city children how to read and write properly; food stamps, welfare and other Democrat vote buying schemes concocted with the “War on Poverty” has failed to end poverty; Medicaid has failed to stop the spread of communicable disease.
Your ideas don’t work. None of them.
There have always been diseases, and there always will be.
Health insurance does NOT prevent diseases.
The insurance industry has sought evidence to prove that for my entire lifetime.
No properly conducted study has ever found a health improvement from insurance.
ALL INSURANCE IS FINANCIAL.
Your post is typical of the left – Assume that what you wish to do will have many many benefits and then force everyone to pay for it. Never bother to establish whether the benefits you claim ever materialize.
We here constantly that Obama Care saved millions of people – then there should be a clear drop in deaths shortly after it passed.
But there is absolutely not change in long term trends – not of deaths, not of the incidence or treatment of any diseases. In fact – for other reasons mortality rates increased.
In fact the differences in mortality between the 19th century and the last 100 years can entirely be attributed to antibiotics, antiseptics and IV fluids and blood.
This is why life expectance in 3rd world countries is approaching that of the best in the first world.
Here we go again. You must spend all of our money, or the world will die. Get a grip.
“Fine, keep medicaid because it prevents the spread of disease to some degree.”
It does ? Do you have evidence of that ?
The health insurance industry has spent my entire lifetime trying to prove that health insurance improves ones health. In 50+ years of studies it has NEVER found a health benefit to health insurance.
ALL Insurance is FINANCIAL.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The Singular American Failure Is America’s Voters, With emphasis on Democrat Voters, NOT Wiping The Kluxxer And Now Communist DNC From The Face Of America
What say you about that correction to your schtick, George?
“It’s the [Constitution], stupid!”
– James Carville
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The Constitution holds dominion.
The vote is moot.
I put the blame for approving these flaming liberal justices to be on the supreme court squarely at the feet of the rino republicans and as such they need to be voted from office at the very next election.
Mama said there would be days like this as well as preach that history will sometimes repeat. And, as Phil Collins sang Land of Confusion, America began to leave the Dark Ages behind.
“THE DEMISE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION!”
There is a God!
It’s not “education,” it’s child abuse and propaganda; it’s slavering, rabid, radical teachers’ union communist indoctrination.
Unions are unconstitutional criminal organizations; public education is a fundamental form of communist redistribution of wealth and social engineering.
“Chaos” has existed since 1964, prior to which a good basic education could have been had from local public schools.
Forcible national public education is antithetical and counterintuitive.
Compelling motivated students to attend with unfit and unqualified miscreants guarantees individual and systemic failure, ultimately serving no purpose.
Education must be entirely voluntary and singularly private.
There is no citable legal basis or mandate for public education in the Constitution.
Jonathan: how do you come up with this stuff? The issue isn’t whether the lack of LGBTQ topics, books, etc will doom public education, but the notion that Bible-thumping radicals get to dictate the contents of what is taught in public schools–guided by their religious beliefs. What if the Bible thumpers declare that there is no such thing as a microorganism, like bacteria or viruses, because we can’t see them and if they claim that the people who make microscopes planted fake images just to fool us? Are biology classes supposed to NOT teach students about microbiology? People USED to disbelieve that microscopic life forms existed and that they could make us sick.
Of course, everyone knows that you are paid to attack Democrats and anyone who disagrees with the MAGA message.
Prof. Turley does not read the comments, how many freaking times do you need to be told this basic fact? Why do you waste your and our time with your worthless comments?
“Freedom of Religion”
Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Surah 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah’s messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Surah 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah’s cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
^ Paid DNC troll. Ignore. ^
Don’t forget the Quran thumper, up and coming in your future. New yorkistan will spread to Eastern coast, catholic in southwest. You’ll find a place in the squeeze.
It’s not Bible thumper driven. It’s common parents protecting their offspring from harm.
To Dems, parents protecting their kids from harm are terrorists. Remember Merrick Garland’s infamous memo to that effect?
In fact, Merrick Garland was a terrorist using the levers of government power to harm his ideological opponents. The Dems were on board with that while they called us fascists, the very description that applies to them, as exemplified by the DNC troll above who objects to parents having any say in their kids’ education and upbringing.
I haven’t listened to arguments nor read Mahmoud v. Taylor. It’s an opt op decision. Parents are reduced to begging.
Parents are opting out of public education and it may be that’s the ultimate goal and lgbt the vehicle. To ruin education is to ruin a nation?
I’d say the ruin is about 90% complete. The day they elected Obama, the agenda was set and the ruin (which had been plugging along more slowly as to boil us frogs) ramped-up.
HOME-SCHOOLING can-and must outperform the deep-state’s twisted education system!!! IMPERATIVE !!!!
Boiled like 🐸. So its come to that. Aren’t you warming up to it? 😂
They’re being irrational.
Topics: 1) the ruin of American education, 2) un-American Obama agenda, 3) home-schooling, 4) twisted (extreme-leftist) educations system.
^^^^ It’s rational and requires no higher scrutiny. Irreversible damage to the functioning human body v. Possible relief for
some , this and diseases.
There’s no rational trade off. Parents will not sacrifice a child on this altar as experiments.
There’s evidence, rational evidence. Please accept it.
Sotomayor is threatening in this remark. She’s saying we will destroy public education if we can’t have this. No one will be educated if we can’t have this. Always listen for the threat.
Censored!
giggles, everyone knows that no one pays you for your juvenile attacks on “anyone who disagrees with the[your copy-and-paste] message.”
Hypothetical-unhinged-example-Anon: Jonathan Turley does not provide a MAGA message, nor does he attack the TDS fools,
he provides objective analysis in contemporary issues of fact, specifically the illegitimate-intrusions into law and culture via extreme leftists seeking to subvert the “rule of law,” which you all love to spout, UNTIL it doesn’t go your way….
Also, I don’t recall Turley bringing the Bible into his discussion, but you always do—illegitimately grinding your axe here is evil and tiresome.
Hey Anon
As the song goes. LEAVE these kids alone.
Why is it you monsters on the left want kids to see pornnnnn Or just maybe it’s you have kid issues
well, you’re just a jerk and a liar. nobody says letting Bible belters into your bedroom is a good idea, and the proof of your BS is that I remember you orcs saying the same thing if Reagan got elected.
he did. they didn’t. you are the orc. you are the bigot. you are the stereotyper. you project your own dishonesty onto others. yuck.
* you’re joking, anon? Right…
Biology is supposed to teach you THERE ARE TWO GENDERS IN MAMMALIAN REPRODUCTION. IT’S THE MEANING OF LIFE. THE MEANING IS A TINY ONE. REPRODUCE.
Oh OK< groomer.
Please identify any significant group out there that does not beleive in viruses ?
People in the past did not disbeleive in Viruses anymore than they disbeleived in black holes.
Not knowing something that we had no means of knowing is not “disbeleif”.
It is actually science. Science dictates that what can be proven is FACT, and all else is beleif.
Until microorganisms were proven to exist, they were just a beleif.
Until black holes were proven to exist, they were just belief.
As to the rest of your rant – microorganisms are a small part of biology and biology is a small part of education.
I think it is wise for people to have an education that includes biology and microorganisms, but it is not essential.
Humans have managed for 99.99999% of human existance without the knowledge of microorganisms.
I have no problem with the infinetesimally small portion of people who do not “beleive” in microorganisms opting their children out of that education.
Or we can solve this problem correctly by just eliminating public schools.
I’m sorry folks, but with all the lawyers out there today, I expect SCOTUS Justices to represent the cream at the top-not only in wisdom and scholarly intelligence, but also in the way they comport themselves. Picture yourself sitting in a filled auditorium of legal persons. Pretend this scenario. No one knows who will be called onto the stage with an offer to become a Justice on the SCOTUS. First, there is Gorsuch then Kavanaugh then Coney-Barrett. Then follows Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson.
What are you thinking on each as he/she crosses the stage?
Jurisprudence and then the mediocrity, nay inferiority, of dilapidated communist affirmative action.
The men are better looking than the women?
If there’s one thing that the left has taught us in recent years, is that men are better than women at everything, including being women.
Absolutely and reduced women to baby bags, birthing people. The old bags?
Men do do everything women do and quite well and can lift heavy loads in addition. They are also discreet, keep secrets, have courage as a general rule, speak few words, forgive easily and many other good characteristics.
—>Except have babies. Men feel good when they take care of things. It meets an inner chord in biological function. Women in fact have a biological inner chord that needs care. They’re marvelous complements to each other.
Too bad so many haven’t met their match.
Absolutely and reduced women to baby bags, birthing people. The old bags?
Men do do everything women do and quite well and can lift heavy loads in addition. They are also discreet, keep secrets, have courage as a general rule, speak few words, forgive easily and many other good characteristics.
—>Except have babies. Men feel good when they take care of things. It meets an inner chord in biological function. Women in fact have a biological inner chord that needs care. They’re marvelous complements to each other.
Too bad so many haven’t met their match.
^^^^ people marry the wrong people all the time…too bad.
He-he, now that IS scorched earth! SO Ironically shchadenfreudey. I love it!
Still, I’d correct the statement to reflect that “men are better than women at [NEARLY] everything.”
This non-sense is all dressed up in Sex and illiterate over-educated interpretations. I do have a question for these decision makers: If I had 10 sheep and a sheep could only conceive one off-spring and this year the herd increased by 9 what’s was the gender make-up of the herd prior to the increase? But of course sheep know their place in the biological world of facts!
Mankind went through the Dark Ages some two thousand years age losing culture, intellect and knowledge of what came before and so much more. America and the World have fallen off the deep end, reasoning that man can be woman, that achievers should support non-achievers, that children belong to the State, and that Nirvana is there for the taking (no effort required).
Leaving with a Quote from Louis MacNeice:
“It’s no go the merrygoround, it no go the rickshaw, All we want is a limousine and a ticket for the peepshow.”, ‘Bagpipe Music’!
George W
The last “Dark Age” occurred between the 5th and 10th centuries in Europe. This period is often referred to as the Middle Ages.
A complete course in gender studies in one lesson, courtesy of PBS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUV5CN9Wg3k
-g
“If you were born a boy, you stay a boy.”
“When you’re born a girl baby, you grow up to be a bigger girl and then a woman.”
– Mister Rogers
The people weeping and gnashing their teeth over this ruling are the same people that tell women to STFU when they complain about men in their locker rooms, showers, and competitive sports, beating the crap out of them (eg, in volleyball) and depriving them of the recognition and scholarships they have trained their whole lives for. Makes sense since they think “gender” has zero to do with biological sex. Remember, they think the OB just makes a wild guess at birth. Now three sitting Supreme Court justices have signed on to that psychosis.
Okdmam-
They aren’t philosophers.
Barrett taught a lesson in birthright citizenship. Equity and what It means, some history, analogues, universal injunction, complete relief, class actions and logic.
All is not lost.
I am thankful for the Three Blind Mice’s overheated left-wing rhetoric predicting national demise in the nationwide injunction case and in this case. Such rhetoric forces a beat-down response by the majority, which then becomes part of the majority ruling and can be cited as controlling precedent in future cases. Others might cite the dissenting rhetoric itself, but it is not controlling because it is not a majority expression of Scotus. Therefore, it is merely symbolic and has no power to bind lower federal courts or state courts.
This phenomenon is analogous to Blue State politicians passing gun laws that are in flagrant violation of the Second Amendment, as Prof Turley has often written about. The pols get their political brownie points with the voters, while nationwide precedent gets set solidifying the citizens’ rights under 2A.
Haven’t lower judges actually cited minority opinions in their own decisions before? Just because it felt good.
That sometimes happens, but most judges know better than to cite a dissenting opinion as legal authority to support a holding. In the unusual case where they do, it raises a ground for reversal on appeal or via motion for reconsideration.
We’ve seen plenty of judges willing to go out in a blaze of glory in recent months, knowing full well they’re going to be reversed. For example, Generalissimo Newsom’s big first-round district court win… that was quickly stayed.
“MEN…DO…WHAT THEIR POWERS DO NOT AUTHORIZE, [AND] WHAT [THEIR POWERS] FORBID.”
The singular momentous American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
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“…courts…must…declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.”
“…men…do…what their powers do not authorize, [and] what they forbid.”
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“[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”
– Alexander Hamilton
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The impeachment and conviction process is all Americans have to wield against the “juristocracy.”
That process must be enhanced, accelerated, and employed with greater frequency, if not for the punitive value, then for that of the deterrent.
The singular momentous American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The Singular Momentous American Failure Is The American Electorate, With Emphasis On Democrat Voters, Who refuse To Exterminate The Entire Kluxxer And Now Communist Democratic Party
What say you, George?
It’s nihilism. So childish…
Deleting freedom of speech or 1A is part of nihilistic trick. Random , lacking creativity replacing it with you’ll do as I say simply screams children. Parents saying you’ll do as I say.
It’s children.
The disservice that Justices Sotomayor and Jackson have done by adopting the political rhetoric of cataclysm is indescribable. The left likes to prattle on about damage to the legitimacy of the Court. They need only look in the mirror.
Gary
What I can’t figure out. Why do the libs want to show the Pooorn to school kids?
shrug… It is a true mystery
DustOff,
Oh, they seem to want to pass this stuff off as some kind of “values.” It is not “values.” It is pornography. It is attempting to groom children. There is a time to talk to them about s#x when they reach an appropriate age. It sure is NOT appropriate age at 6 years old.
Dustoff, because you don’t want them to show porn. Oppositional defiance.
How about letting kids be kids. The left makes a mess of everything they touch.
Kids grow up fast enough, don’t destroy them with porn.
It’s that simple.
It’s a backhanded threat. Read it for what it really is. It’s someone looking for a fight just because they like to fight. Give them a KO. They’ll say- MORE! PLEASE MORE!
The lgbt group wants to be portrayed as perfectly normal and doesn’t want to be repellent. They imagine acceptance can be engineered if it begins in childhood. They’ve convinced Gen x, y and z and the further destruction of the nuclear family is the profit. Your teenagers are happily prostituting for the cost of a cheap date.
The trade off isn’t worth it. It’s enough to decriminalize but not worth the honorific of marriage. It’s a mutable behavior. It’s mutable in the same way as gluttony is mutable.
This culture expects lgbt people to respect tradition by choice as it is the standard morality.
*. Teenage boys are bored with the girls. It was fun but the girls lost their luster.
My goodness, Sotomayor & co *must* are surely correct about this. It seems quite evident that no nation could survive, much less prosper, for over 200 years ,without there existing in its midst a cadre of arrogant, elitist, collectivist fu<kw@d$ with the unbridled power to override all parental guidance of their own youngsters. [For anyone here who is easily befuddled by such things, that was what was known in the America of the past, where most people aspired to be *more* literate and well-informed, as "sarcasm"]
Sorry edited that once too often, I probably killed my own point 🙂 I think that there really should be an “undo/delete” control of some kind here, even if after-the-fact editing capabilities are too much to hope for. I suggest that a ~20 minute time period during which one could exercise the ability to delete one’s own post before any comments to it have been made, or overwrite it with asterisks, without affecting comments, if there are any, might suffice, without doing very much harm. However, reasonable suggestions have never seemed to travel very far here…
Agreed! After shooting myself in the foot, a few times, here too, I’ve lamented the non-existence of the edit function. However, those who have functioning brains KNOW what you mean/meant. Let us pray that “sarcasm,” our primal BS-valve, never goes the way of the dodo bird.
Here’s my spin:
“[parents] with the unbridled power to override all [external] guidance of their own youngsters.” Yes! That’s the way it should always BE!
The problem with an edit function is that trolls will go back and remove the offensive and incorrect stuff that they posted, and without a history function, you are left taking screenshots to show what they originally wrote.
YES, you’re right! Perhaps the edit function can be written to allow correction, but not deletion.
As for posting-history, owning and standing by our words, only those with a moral compass know how to play by this rule.
Dianna, there’s an edit function beneath every message. Anyone can revise or clarify their own words by using the reply button. There’s no need for others to twist what was originally said.
What is really needed is an enforced rule: every user should be required to have a name and an icon. The flood of anonymous accounts is growing, and will continue to do so, making the list increasingly unpleasant
Yes, but doesn’t the text appear twice (hitting reply to correct previous text), gumming up the feed? …. I hate hogging the feed, so I keep my comments as short as possible—I was embarrassed, the one time I replied with my correction of same comment. :-/
Dianna, you have nothing to be embarrassed about. It is a group of envious and bitter people who work to shut down discussion. Any attempt at editing or clarifying only gives the scum the ability to twist and trap good people.
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
Boy does it! Can’t tell you how many “Cancel replys” I’ve hit. Stellar thoughts ( I thought), then thought, nO, bEtteR noT.
Dianna Bec,
Yes, most of us do know what someone means or meant. Sometimes it is the adjacent key, or autocorrect for the wrong word, but most of us can figure it out.
Well said about sarcasm! It appears to be going the way of the dodo bird in Germany and the UK.
The argument then falls to parents unbridled power in transgenderism. Parents cannot harm their children nor the children of others. The plea becomes- my trans child is harmed by hormone blocker unavailability.
The decision is then made regarding greatest harm. Irreparable damage.
Again and again, this faulty argument is shot-through by rationally observed age-limits (for necessary and protective reasons) on everything from voting, driving, drinking/smoking, military service, and entering into contracts, etc. etc….. At the age of majority, the child may then pursue what his/her more mature mind has decided after fair chance to change mind with the body still in tact.
Transgender, fully irreversible surgeries of minor children, MUST fall into the category of “unbridled parental power,” as parents legally (genuinely) hold the sum total of rights in and to the child—in performance of custodial duty to provide companionship, support, discipline, and moral/ethical standards, within physical possession.
We must never allow the extreme-left’s extra-legal whining, illegitimate interference, and counterfeit legislations to cancel parental rights.
Tennessee stopped it.
It C A N be done! Not too late, but the task will require much more resistance to the Marxist onslaught.
Today’s public education system is most interested in manufacturing a certain type of thinking. It’s a force to be reckoned with as higher education, teacher unions and progressive politicians work hard to alter this country’s center/right culture to one that is overwhelmingly left-leaning. Child education is at the vanguard of this battle along with uncontrolled immigration. Thanks to U.S. government’s growing conservative-populist strength, parents are taking up the fight at the local level and regaining control of their children’s education—an education that should be overwhelmingly focused on core subjects and accelerated advanced curricula in math, science, technology & material engineering, etc. Public K-12 education is no place for cultural experiments and social engineering. Such efforts are more akin to child abuse than they are anything else.
In 1978, Madonna Kashanian, a 17 year old Iranian girl came to the US on a student visa.
The following year, Iranian revolutionaries overthrew the Iranian government and seized the American hostages.
Madonna’s father was a high ranking engineer in the Iranian government. She obviously feared returning to Iran. She overstayed her student visa and eventually applied for asylum, but was denied. She was granted protected status to prevent deportation as long as she stayed out of trouble and checked in with regular appointments with immigration officials.
She eventually married a US citizen and had children.
She has lived in the US for 47 years. She has worked, paid taxes, and been a pillar of her community. After Hurricane Katrina she volunteered for Habitat for Humanity and helped rebuild houses.
Last week, while gardening in her front yard in New Orleans, 3 masked men pulled up in an unmarked truck, grabbed her, handcuffed her, and took her to an immigration detention center.
Obviously, after attacking Iran, the Trump administration told ICE to round up all the Iranians.
Completely harmless immigrants who have a genuine fear of returning to their home countries are being rounded up by ICE, who should instead be looking for the murderers, rapists an drug traffickers.
They are simply grabbing the low hanging fruit to meet the quotas imposed by Stephen Miller, rather than seeking out the criminals and drug traffickers.
. . . rather than seeking out the criminals and drug traffickers.
You just assert that “they” are not seeking the criminals and drug traffickers that “Joe Biden” let in. How do you know? Because they grabbed this woman, they can’t be doing the other? Talk about lousy logic.
Also . . . she has had 47 years to validate her status in America, and has been unable to do so? You’re leaving something out.
Anonymous,
Also, let’s not forget, this woman came here to the US a year prior to the Mullahs taking control in Iran. If memory serves me correctly, this was douring Carter’s admin.
Why, I wonder, did that administration not grant her the chance at working towards citizenship, but, instead, granted her protected status?
Then, in 81, when Reagan came into office, why didn’t she attempt to gain citizenship again? Seems to me, Reagan’s admin would’ve been far more amenable to such a request.
You’re right, something isn’t adding up.
Correct. From https://iroon.com/irtn/blog/21266/iranian-woman-who-has-lived-in-us-for-47-years-taken-by-ice-while-gardening/:
Kashanian arrived in the US in 1978 on a student visa and later applied for asylum, citing fears of persecution due to her father’s ties to the US-backed Shah of Iran. Her asylum request was ultimately denied, but she was granted a stay of removal on the condition she comply with immigration requirements, a condition her family says she always met.
I’d be interested to know what her father did for Shah Rehza Pahlavi, and whether that might have somehow contributed to her being denied asylum. IIRC, Pahlavi heavily criticised Carter, and seemed to think that he was surreptitiously abetting his overthrown. Could he have been correct? I know that the CIA virtually installed Pahlavi on the Peacock Throne in the first place, but those a$$hat$ would have been more than capable and willing to abet his overthrow 25 years later. Consistently adhering to principle has never been a strong CIA attribute…
I don’t believe the story.
Kashanian was initially denied asylum, then granted protected status, followed by her marriage to an American citizen, which makes her a citizen, too.
This exemplary woman was snatched by Trump’s armed, masked goon squad They should be made to validate their own stupid, thuggish existence.
A marriage to an American citizen does not confer automatic citizenship dumdum. What idiot told you that one?
Also, you sure sound brave on the internet, let’s see you get between some ICE agents and your blessed illegals. No, you’re too much of a coward to ever do that.
Marriage to a U.S. citizen automatically guarantees a “green card” and future naturalization after certain requirements are met, among them at least a 3 year stay in America after the marriage. Correct me if I’m wrong.
A green card is hardly the same thing as citizenship, and yes, you’re wrong, a green card through marriage does not guarantee future citizenship for an illegal alien.
There are also numerous ways that even the green card marriage exemption can fall through, especially for illegal aliens.
Immigration attorneys exist for a reason.
Marriage to a U.S. citizen automatically guarantees a “green card” and future naturalization after certain requirements are met, among them at least a 3 year stay in America after the marriage.
You are wildly, pathetically wrong. There is no “guarantee”; what there is, is a very long drawn out process of filling out multiple forms, all addresses and places lived since age 16, employment history, criminal records check, medical exams, etc. Also included are multiple fees charged at various steps along the way.
And if marriage to a U.S. citizen automatically guaranteed a green card – if she’d been married for all those decades… why didn’t she have her guaranteed green card?
Why the sophomoric urge to use boldface frequently? To be sure readers pay attention to fabulous you?
If she had become a citizen this would not have happened. Do you ever think about whether the stuff you make up even makes sense?
Why didn’t she. Answer that question.
Like it or not. There has to be more to this story.
armed masked goon squad? No overheated rhetoric here.
And people wonder why ICE agents are being attacked. This has crossed over into actionable speech, in my opinion.
Not quite, she was told by a Judge to leave.
Odd why the news didn’t say this.
There’s more to the story. Has to be because waivers are available.
@Anonymous
And people wonder why the modern left has less than 20% approval. The histrionics, the gaslighting, the grudges – nobody cares. Take your troll farm dollars and drama somewhere else. You are not meaningful enough to be poison, but you sure are a pollutant, and nobody is buying it anymore. Go blow.
According to your narrative, Madonna Kashanian is an actionable illegal alien subject to deportation.
You have no authority or legal basis to arbitrarily legislate or amend statutory or fundamental law.
Indubitably, the judicial branch will ensure that the law is followed.
It took 16 years for the proper authorities to apprehend and prosecute James “Whitey” Bulger.
Stephen Miller is the lowest form of protoplasm.
I don’t know how or when, but there will be accountability imposed upon the Trump administration.
“If you’re taking flak, you’re over the target.”
– Robert W. Malone
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Fly on, Stephen Miller, fly on!
Stephen Miller flies by the seat of his pants.
Sounds like you’re advocating for “direct action”. Expect a visit from your unfriendly local FBI and Secret Service agents soon.
I was referring to possible legal proceedings occurring after Trump’s term in office ends.
Uhuh. Right, sure. Leftists never engage in political violence when they get impatient.
Don’t get your hopes up regarding the courts. You’re just going to be disappointed because the law is not on your side.
“Crazy Abe” Lincoln didn’t need no legal proceedings; he went straight to brute kinetic force.
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“[Legal proceedings]? We ain’t got no [legal proceedings]! We don’t need no [legal proceedings]! I don’t have to show you any stinking [legal proceedings]!”
– Abraham Lincoln as Gold Hat, “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre”
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“Mr. Davis, secession is not prohibited, therefore, secession is prohibited.”
– AL
“Sounds like you’re advocating for ‘direct action’.”
Does the above statement constitute an attempt to concoct a keyboard frame-up?
You shouldn’t make stupid assumptions.
Have a nice day. 😃
Pretty amazing when protoplasm can out-maneuver you….
Apart from your irrational hatred, rest assured that history bequeaths “accountability” to ALL presidents, including the ones whose crimes you’ve idolized.
Hatred? Me? On the contrary, I’m grateful for the amusement. I love a good political circus headlined by a bunch of evil clowns, bless their hearts. 🤡
I’ve worked in immigration law. What you just described is someone who has no respect for the law.
No idea why she didn’t correct things. But she should’ve, especially after marriage. Her husband could’ve started that process.
Does the law not matter because your heart bleeds?
This story sounds fishy.
You just know, if this is true, there should be a lot more info to this story.
Everything sounds “fishy” for MAGA morons when it doesn’t fit with their delusional cult thinking and beliefs.
Everyone is in a cult but meeeeeeeeee………..
Give it a rest. At least they don’t think men can become women, or vice versa. What is that other than a cultish belief? You’re a fool.
Says the member of his/hers/it’s own cult.
So post the proof fool… So far you have not. I wonder why
More to the story
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However, that is being disputed by ICE, which claims she was ordered by a judge to leave the U.S. and did not. Milne said now they are looking for an immigration attorney to represent her.
Now you can say Hmmmmmmmmmm
There is a lot more info. Numerous articles from news sources online.
Care to post the news service who ran with this story.
The Times-Picayune.
Local paper in New Orleans.
https://www.nola.com/news/politics/national_politics/iran-new-orleans-woman-arrested/article_bcfdc93e-01dc-4021-b5f8-a91ded5ed784.html
I’m all broken up by this illegal alien’s sob story. Really, I might actually shed a tear.
She broke our immigration laws for literally decades. Now she’s being held to account. I thought nobody was above the law in left-wing land. Or is that admonition just for President Trump and his supporters? Don’t bother answering, we already know.
She was in full compliance with US immigration law at all times.
She was given conditional protected status from deportation as provided by US law.
The conditions were to stay out of trouble, commit no crimes and meet regularly with immigration officials.
She was in full compliance with those conditions and with US law.
And yet, she’s going home. Either the executive agencies involved are breaking some law, or she is. Can’t really be both.
Don’t you have an anti-semitic, oh I’m sorry anti-Zionist, protest to go to? Maybe a no kings protest in Canada?
ICE says other wise. She was sold buy a judge to leave. So no she was not following the law.
“She was in full compliance with US immigration law at all times.”
Except for that little tidbit that she was here illegally. Whoops.
Lyin’ Like A Proud Biden: She was in full compliance with US immigration law at all times.
1. Stayed and hid in America after her student visa had expired.
2. Claimed asylum status – found to be fraudulent
3. Attempted to obtain immigrant status through a marriage that immigration courts rejected and deemed to be fraudulent
There’s a message in there…
It has a paywall, But I did get this
However, that is being disputed by ICE, which claims she was ordered by a judge to leave the U.S. and did not. Milne said now they are looking for an immigration attorney to represent her.
They’re desperately searching for some sob story to turn public opinion against the renewed enforcement of our immigration laws. I don’t think it’s going to work though. Even our Hispanics are sick to death of the illegals.
The news jumped on the band-wagon a little to early.
They’re on hair trigger alert. Secretary Hegseth called them out on it the other day, they’re so busy looking for scandals that they’re missing actual news stories. And what they do find is often wrong.
After 47 years ? 😂 terrible story. She had a rap sheet?
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Her first name is Mandonna
Damn, now you’ve gone and ruined my day.
There is an issue. A judge to her to leave… I wonder why and how come the news didn’t report it…
Reporting that wouldn’t advance the storyline that they have already written.
She didn’t naturalize? A mistake? She kept her Iranian citizenship? Yes, married permanent residents should naturalize. Surprising she didn’t know.
It’ll work out. She has a green card.
“She has a green card.”
Not for long, I expect that to be ruled invalid in short order. Unless your name is Ilhan Abdullahi Omar obtaining legal immigration status through fraud is a big no-no.
“THE DEMISE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION!”
There is a God!
It’s not “education,” it’s child abuse and propaganda; it’s slavering, rabid, radical teachers’ union communist indoctrination.
Unions are unconstitutional criminal organizations; public education is a fundamental form of communist redistribution of wealth.
“Chaos” has existed since 1964, prior to which a good basic education could have been had from local public schools.
Forcible public education is antithetical and counterintuitive.
Compelling motivated students to attend with unfit and unqualified miscreants guarantees individual and systemic failure, ultimately serving no purpose.
Education must be entirely voluntary and singularly private.
There is no citable legal basis or mandate for public education in the Constitution.
Justice Alito identified that the core issue was one of values taught to children. “To understand why, start with the storybooks themselves. Like many books targeted at young children, the books are unmistakably normative. They are clearly designed to present certain values and beliefs as things to be celebrated and certain contrary values and beliefs as things to be rejected.” This campaign to normalize certain values and reject other values, I believe, is a natural consequence in the maturation of the concept of “Inclusion”. The ultimate end for “Inclusion” is to have a set of common values – to be inclusive. But values don’t spring up from thin air; values have a context rooted in the family and by extension the community including religious beliefs. “Inclusion” is a well meaning concept but terribly misguided attempt to synthesize common values disconnected from family, community, and religious traditions. Values that are not grounded are ultimately meaningless because there is no supporting familial fabric when those values are tested. The court wisely recognized that. It would behoove the various school boards across the nation to do so as well by engaging the parents in their children’s learning. It is my belief (as a father of 3) that children viscerally understand the importance of education when their parents are engaged with their education and schools. Children then strive in school if they know that learning is important to the family. Indeed, this ruling will strengthen rather then threaten public education.
Arnold,
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a federal law put on the books in about 1974, requiring that parents should be involved in their child’s public school education?
If this is true, than aren’t the public schools of today flagrantly violating that law, ergo school administrators could be criminally charged in federal court?
Ron, I don’t know anything about that 1974 law. However, in 2024 a citizen’s initiative on Parental Rights (2081) for state of Washington was adopted by the state legislature to avoid having this initiative being passed overwhelmingly at the ballot box and embarrassing the state powers that be. And sure enough, while the governor’s signature ink was still drying the legislature then passed an amendment that watered it down to the point of meaninglessness. The point of relating this story is that there was (and still is) a widespread desire to enable parents to know what is going on in the schools and their children – any federal law not withstanding. Despite our best efforts, it is very difficult for parents to get advance notice of what is being taught much less have the ability to influence the course material. For example, four years ago my daughter was a senior at a high school ranked by US News in the top 250 in the nation – this is arguably an institution providing a “good” education. A full one third of her senior English class was devoted to Queer Theory, Critical Theory, Critical Race Theory, and the like – this despite the over abundance of a rich legacy of English and American literature. By the time I caught wind of this, it was too late and probably even a timely objection would have been ignored.