Yesterday, we discussed how UCLA medical school has been accused of racial discrimination in admissions. Now Yale School of Medicine has also been accused of “intentionally select[ing] applicants based on their race” in knowing circumvention of Supreme Court precedent.
The Justice Department announced that “Yale’s documents reveal that they studied how to use racial proxies to circumvent the Supreme Court’s prohibition on using race to select students…admissions data demonstrate that Black and Hispanic students have a much higher chance of admission to Yale than White or Asian students with the same test scores.”
Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon added on X that “a black applicant is 29 times more likely to be invited to interview than an Asian with equally strong academics.”
As discussed yesterday, many of us predicted that schools would knowingly evade such rulings and regulations.
After the historic ruling in the Harvard and North Carolina cases barring the use of racial criteria in admissions, administrators and academics admitted what they had long denied: that race was having a major role in admissions.
In anticipation of the rulings, many schools, including the California system, eliminated standardized testing. Without objective scores, there is less ability to identify the use of non-scholastic criteria for admissions. By eliminating or devaluing standardized testing, admissions offices can use the more subjective essays to achieve the same race-based results.
I wrote about how administrators were already preparing to use essays as an indirect way to achieve the same identifications and preferences in admissions. The essay “prompts” encourage students to effectively self-identify by discussing incidents where they faced discrimination. The shift to the essays would allow the removal of high-scoring students while elevating those with lower scores. That prediction was quickly confirmed, as top candidates were rejected based on their essays, while schools used essays to flag their backgrounds.
Interviews can serve the same function as an alternative to formal self-identification and race-based scoring.
Faculty and administrators at UCLA and other schools remain adamant in using race-based admissions. They simply justify discrimination as equity and diversity.
These schools remain hardened silos of race-based practices and policies. The same faculty and administrators are unlikely to yield unless compelled to do so. In the meantime, they will spend copious amounts of money and time fighting for differential treatment based on race. The hope is that a new Democratic administration will not enforce these rules and allow such circumvention to continue in admissions.
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So when are all of the seditious conspirators going to be indicted? Until they bring Obama, Biden, Clinton et al to justice and accountability America will remain divided and stagnant. It’s past time, Military tribunal, expedite the process.
Two or three brief centuries ago in England, Obama would have been considered to have committed treason, which was penalized by Drawing and Quartering.
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“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
time to start jailing these willful criminal democrats
when caught, end federal aid and take away the accreditation!
this discrimination at UCLA has been going on for at least 20 years. approximately 50% of California population is white, but only about 5% of the admitted medical students are white
additionally, approximately 25 years ago, Californians passed proposition 187, which was a constitutional amendment to prevent this type of discrimination. but apparently UCLA does not care about the the language of theconstitution
correction to my post : not the proposition187, I meant proposition 209
This comes from California Proposition 209, approved by voters in 1996. Proposition 209 added Section 31 to Article I of the California Constitution.
The key language says that the state shall not:
“discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin”
in:
* Public employment
* Public education
* Public contracting
This effectively banned most forms of affirmative action by California state institutions, including public universities like University of California.
There are some exceptions and nuances:
* Federal law can still require certain race-conscious actions in limited circumstances.
* The provision applies to state and local government entities, not private companies.
* Schools and agencies can still pursue diversity goals through race-neutral methods.
In 2020, California voters considered repealing Proposition 209 through California Proposition 16, but voters rejected the repeal, so Proposition 209 remains part of the California Constitution today.
Correction it was not proposition 187. It was proposition 209. now, discrimination based on a race is prohibited in the California constitution
Yes. California has a constitutional provision that generally prohibits the state from discriminating or giving preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in certain areas.
This comes from California Proposition 209, approved by voters in 1996. Proposition 209 added Section 31 to Article I of the California Constitution.
The key language says that the state shall not:
“discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin”
in:
* Public employment
* Public education
* Public contracting
This effectively banned most forms of affirmative action by California state institutions, including public universities like University of California.
There are some exceptions and nuances:
* Federal law can still require certain race-conscious actions in limited circumstances.
* The provision applies to state and local government entities, not private companies.
* Schools and agencies can still pursue diversity goals through race-neutral methods.
In 2020, California voters considered repealing Proposition 209 through California Proposition 16, but voters rejected the repeal, so Proposition 209 remains part of the California Constitution today.
Ivy Rig
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,…secure the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY….”
– Preamble
Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798, 1802
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof….
You conveniently left out Acts of Congress in 1866, 1870, 1924, 1942, 1965 that led us to a post-racial meritocracy concept. Some are fighting this concept, but I think they are losing.
In a society of laws, the laws must be adhered to. American freedom persisted for a mere 71 years. Lincoln disagreed with the duly enacted law, opposing it illicitly with violence, an egregious crime of high office. Reprehensible slavery must have been legislated as unlawful just as it was originally legislated as lawful. Secession is not prohibited, is fully constitutional, and is an essential part of the constitution ratification documents of many states. Lincoln’s denial of secession was arrant and unconstitutional. Every act of Lincoln and his successors subsequent to his denial of secession was and remains illicit and unconstitutional and must be abrogated and rescinded with extreme prejudice. Just as Roe was reversed retroactively by 50 years, Lincoln must be reversed retroactively by 150 years.
“[There is no particular need for the U.S. to encourage immigration] except of useful mechanics and some particular descriptions of men or professions.”
“The policy or advantage of its taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.”
– George Washington, Letter to John Adams, 1794
A Discordant Intermixture Must Have An Injurious Tendency
“The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.”
– Alexander Hamilton
Wait! Are you saying that Africans and Mexicans are just as racist as those pesky white folks—I mean, Americans?
Last I knew (2 children are practicing M.D.s) Yale Med School was not considered to be one of the best.
Asteroid to Impact Earth.
Women and Minorities Hardest Hit.
– Rush Limbaugh
Next time I have surgery, I know I’ll be thinking, I hope the surgeon went to a medical school where the admissions office prioritized race over merit. /s/
OldManFromKS,
As I mentioned elsewhere, as a minority, I find the actions by all of these universities giving preferential treatment based on skin color offensive and demeaning.
OMFK: you can rest easily knowing that when you die on the table because some DEI beneficiary cuts this instead of that you will have done your part to restore equity to this heinously unjust country. Congrats in advance!!!
Our three kids survived CA public schools and liberal universities largely unscathed. They all have graduate degrees in STEM areas and they are well-grounded in reality. Two are a pretty good shot too.
A friend of theirs who went to Yale and then UC Berserkeley is still, ten years later, doing post-doc nonsense in the social justice area, spinning her wheels in slime, IMHO
oldmanfromkansas
The policies of the admission office at any medical school are by far the least important measure of the competence of a licensed physician.
You do not seem to realize how many levels of evaluation take place between admission to medical school and licensure.
Students must pass the USMLE Part 1 at the end of the second year. Part 2 is taken in the fourth year, just before applying for residency training. Part 3 is taken during the first year of residency. These are all national standardized tests taken by all medical students.
In addition to standardized testing, students are constantly evaluated throughout training, especially in the final 2 years of clinical rotations. Core clinical rotations last from 8 to 12 weeks, and electives are typically 4 weeks. Every 8-12 weeks the student’s performance is evaluated by the supervising resident and the attending physician.
After medical school all students must complete residency training. This requires yet another round of applications requiring submission of USMLE test scores, clinical evaluations, letters of recommendation and personal interviews.
During residency training the students are constantly evaluated every 12 weeks for competence. Trainees are often dismissed for failing to meet required levels of competence.
A license to practice medicine comes only after constant testing and evaluation throughout training. Although it is possible that some lesser qualified students may actually be admitted to medical school, they will be weeded out long before they can ever hope to be licensed to practice.
Every licensed physician has met the same high standards required by testing and personal evaluations of competence.
Your stupid comment about checking whether your surgeon went to a medical school that prioritized race over merit simply reveals your blatant racism.
All this whining and bloviating about incompetent DEI doctors is nothing more than typical MAGA racism, bigotry and discrimination.
The last time there was widespread disdain for following the spirit of the law demanding equal treatment regardless of race, Congress passed the Voting Rights act that mandated tighter controls over states that developed workarounds. Perhaps it is time for Congress to pass an Admissions rights act resulting in closer supervision of institutions that historically have demonstrated racial discrimination in admissions.
I know it will never happen but just thinking about the parallels with devious administrators finding workarounds to defy the law.
Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly, Turley is deliberately conflating the issue of the University of California system’s abandonment of standardized testing for undergraduate admission with admission procedures for medical school.
Not only that, he somehow thinks that the undergraduate admission process at UC has some relevance to how Yale admits students to its medical school.
These are two completely separate and unrelated issues with regard to two completely separate and unrelated schools.
While it is true that UC no longer requires SAT or ACT scores for undergraduate admissions, this has no relevance to how students are admitted to medical school at UCLA, Yale, or any other medical school for that matter.
All medical schools, including UCLA and Yale, require Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) scores for admission. Medical schools do not consider SAT or ACT scores, and never have. So the fact that the UC undergraduate admission process does not require standardized SAT or ACT test scores is completely and utterly irrelevant.
So why then is Turley deliberately conflating these two unrelated issues. Obviously he is only interested in stoking the rage of the MAGA mob, the very rage that he so adamantly and hypocritically decries in his stupid little books.
He is playing you MAGA morons for the fools that you really are.
Professor Turley covers two different universities in his article. So what? You are using a definition of “conflate” that appears nowhere in any dictionary . . . and being rude to your gracious host at the same time. Worthless troll.
He still made a valid point. Which you failed to refute.
No, he didn’t.
It is UC and Yale that are playing the country for fools – though those of you on the left actually KNOW the stupidity you are engaged in.
Are standardized tests the perfect predictor of academic or professional success ? No. But of ALL the measures we have available to us they are orders of magnitude better than anything else at predicting both College and later professional outcomes.
Short of an established track record of proven success – I want the doctor, lawyer, engineer, CEO, even office manager who scored highest on standardized tests.
NOTHING comes anywhere near close to predicting future performance and skill.
So your first problem is that left wing nut colleges and universities have abandoned what is by FAR the best measure for college performance as well as post graduate performance that exists.
That alone should raise giant red flags.
Contra the left standardized tests are NOT racist. They predict success within a racial group as well as they do outside it.
Further – standardized tests are essentially just a form of Intelligence test – and we have perfectly good intelligence tests that are completely devoid of any racial bias – they do not use english or even words or any culture references.
These are what we use to test younger children and to test people in countries were we do not have tests in their language.
I would note that these produce nearly the same results as the supposedly racial or culturally biased tests.
Whether people like it or not – while variations among individuals are greater than variations between races, the FACT is that different races are actually better on the whole at some things than others.
No one is looking for DEI to overcome the handicapps that While Athletes faces – there are almost no sports left that are not predominantly Black players.
The point is that with perfectly raciallly blind selection processes – you will ALWAYS get results that disfavor one race over another – though it will not be the same race depending on what is being measured.
Turley noted that a black candidate was 29 times more likely to get into Yale than an asian one – all other things being equal.
This is actually bad for everyone. It means the FEW Asians that get into Yale will be far far far superior to everyone else their.
With absolutely certainty they will massively outperform minorities and make even the sharpest minority students look like fools.
Contra the left we should not WANT “racial outcome equality” at top colleges.
At all colleges througout the country we should WANT people who are similarly capable competing not people who are similarly skin toned.
We should want the 1500 SAT students at the top Ivy’s and we should want students who are scoring 1000 together at lower ranked colleges.
That pits approximate equals against approximate equals.
It improves the odds of graduation for weaker students , and improves their self confidence.
Which is better – to fail out of Harvard or to graduate in the top half at podunk U ?
But god forbid those on the left should care about reality – or the real future prospects of college students.
I would further note this academic selection stupidity often has very bad results.
I personally know extremely capable minority students who thrived at UofP. But when they graduated law firms hiring them presumed their performance was because UofP offered bonus points to minorities, so lawfirms discounted REAL performance of those minority students because SOME minority students chose to accept higher grades because of their minority status.
Clarence Thomas graduated with honors from College when if anything Blacks faced an uphill battle – he was accepted and graduated from Yale law school – in a race blind process. While KBJ graduated from Harvard during an era of autmotic preference for black students.
Outside of left wing nuts – no sane person thinks KBJ is close to an intellectual equal of Thomas – or almost any of the rest of the court. There are Black Judges who ARE excellent – Thurgood Marshall rose to the Supreme court through brilliance and success that pushed actual racism aside. While KBJ received preferential treatment at each step.
Whether it is your surgeon, engineer or supreme court justice – who do you want – the best of the best without regard for Race – or someone whose success is because of their race ?
It should not surprise people that democrats and the left today are racist – they always have been
All that has changed is which races they favor and which they disfavor – though they have ALWAYS been racist regarding asians.
Absolutely Turley points out ONE of the many examples of racism that has resulted in Yale and UCLA getting sued for racism.
YOU argument that is the ONLY evidence Turley or DOJ has is evidence of your inability to comprehend what you read.
Disregarding SAT scores is NOT the sole or primary evidence that universities are discriminating based on Race.
Though it is evidence.
As noted in the article, these lawsuits resulted from review of the records of these schools that demonstrate that they were INTENTIONALLY seeking to discriminate based on Race.
If you really want to discriminate on the basis of race:
First you must end all government funding of education.
Then you must repeal the unconstitutional portions of the Civil Rights act.
I personally do not care if stupid institutions wish to choose to engage in racial discrimination.
If the top schools in the country wish to destroy their reputation for producing the best of the best – they are free to do so.
BUT NOT WITH MY MONEY!!
Once you accept public funds – you are bound to the 14th amendment prohibition against racial discrimination.
Be as racist as you wish – claim exactly like past democrats that you are doing it for high moral purposes.
But do not confiscate my money to do so.
do so with MY MONEY.
Africans prefer African doctors?
You failed to post any proof.
Why don’t you post proof of a contrary source? If you can’t refute it, its a truth. You failed as usual.
There has been racism and inEQUALity in this country. I think until the recent revival of same by racist lefties we had mostly moved past that. The worst racism that I have seen was Indians hiring Indians and Israelis hiring Israelis in the high tech world.
The disparate outcomes we see have many causes and our country would be improved if we could address them. Forced reverse racism isn’t the answer, to the detriment of all. Do you want your critical skills people chosen by anything other than merit? Before you answer: health care, aircraft, bridges, communications, teaching(oops)…
If you want a higher class of citizen to emerge from what the left perceives as disadvantaged minorities it will take generations. Improvement has to address the root rather than the leaf. Strong traditional families produce more successful children. A strong economy and decent jobs make more stable families. A common culture and values are required. A mess of unassimilated illegal 3rd worlders makes helping Americans orders of magnitude more difficult. The lefties creating all of these obstacles to progress are like children who found a crate of hand grenades. They are certainly not “progressive”
“The worst racism that I have seen was … and Israelis hiring Israelis in the high tech world.”
I find it amazing that Old Fish seems to always focus on arcane data with a negative link to Israel and Jews. He is hunting for data that proves Israel is bad. Why else would so many of his various negative comments focus on Israel? I guess the next question to ask is why he does that.
That is an interesting piece of knowledge that I never thought about until now. Perhaps fewer Israeli Arab citizens participate in such companies because many of these companies come from the IDF intelligence and cybersecurity branches, where people know one another, and military service is a major pipeline for the high-tech workforce.
Arab Israeli citizens do not have to join the military.
Come On Man! It’s impossible that Yale done wrong! The White Folk be the Slavers, Colonialists, and Supremacists keeping their foot on the neck of ‘perpetual minorities,’ right? Don’t the SCOTUS Supremacists know that racism lasts forever and is in the DNA of the Colonialists (even those with no lineage to the oppressor’s of the past)? I think that is what the 1619 Project is selling to low IQ Wokies anyway!
So Yale has become mediocrity. It represents the average. If it’s against the law file suit. PT has kept people informed.
Stay safe…
And they still won’t let you in.
I wouldn’t entertain the idea that I as an average person would take a seat meant for a truly intelligent person. That would be an unjust act if I did. It would be harmful to myself, the school and my country.
It’s evolution. Yale, UCLA etc have devolved into junior colleges. So woke means mediocre? Everything must be average? What a waste of life, huh?
Then the gender equity has caused the swollen idiot females in congress. Screaming Tlaib, jumping on her toes Cortez , brain dead Collins, Murkowski, purple hair thing, Warren…
It seems there are two ideals in work. The value of objective uniform tests, and content of character through essays. How do they play out against a backdrop of AI. Does it pose risks for the scores? What if a student asks an AI agent to write a winning essay? Is the answer the admitting school using AI to treat with issues in the student’s scores and essay? Or something else?
How do they play out against a backdrop of AI. It doesn’t Mike. Schools already use essay checkers software, private companies offer essay proofing/checking services.
And the people who manually review student applications have enough experience and savvy weed out the tricksters and undesirables.
This is similar to the South’s unlawful and unconstitutional resistance to the desegregation of the schools.
The black students admitted to Yale or UCLA would be admitted to other medical schools without this racial discrimination. This is a point Sowell and others have made for decades. So there is no need to violate the law and the constitution to educate black doctors.
I hope Harmeet Dhillon brings enforcement actions wherever possible, and that the administration does everything it can to withhold federal funds under Title VI.
Justice Roberts never should have suggested that essays could be used to circumvent the law and constitution. Instead, he should have said that subterfuges like this would not be tolerated.
Comparing holistic medical admissions to the Jim Crow South’s resistance to desegregation is a massive stretch. The segregation of the South was a system designed to completely shut out Black Americans from public life and education.
Holistic admissions are completely different; they are designed to find the very best individual students by looking at their entire life story, rather than just a single test score.The idea that Black students who are accepted to Yale or UCLA would just be fine at “other” medical schools misses a major point about how medicine works. Elite medical schools are the main places that train the nation’s top medical researchers, professors, and healthcare leaders. Shunting qualified minority students away from these top-tier institutions simply locks them out of high-level medical leadership, which hurts the entire medical field.
Furthermore, Chief Justice John Roberts did not create an illegal backdoor trick in the SFFA v. Harvard ruling. He laid down a very clear, logical rule: a school cannot give a student automatic bonus points just for checking a racial box. However, a school is absolutely allowed to reward an individual student who writes an essay showing how they built resilience or leadership while overcoming hard times, including racial discrimination.
Evaluating someone’s actual character and what they have survived is not an unlawful trick. It is treating applicants as real, unique human beings, which is exactly what the Constitution requires.
“Comparing holistic medical admissions . . .”
Your pathological dishonesty and deception are comical.
*The* issue, which you consciously evade, is Yale’s use of race in admissions.
Sam, you have zero proof Yale is using race in admissions. None.
You have not shown in any way how I was dishonest.
Prove yale is intentionally using race. Surely you have the evidence of your certain they are.
are you willfully stupid or just stupid?
The DOJ’s preliminary review of applicant data indicated that, despite lower grade-point averages and standardized test scores, Black applicants had up to 29 times higher odds of receiving an interview compared to equally qualified Asian applicants.
my kids went to IVY schools…and the racism is appalling!
When a black local student scores well on grades and SAT…they get accepted to EVERY COLLEGE
and asian or white kid…may be lucky to get 1 offer from a top school
“you have zero proof Yale is using race in admissions. None.”
Nothing that *you* would call evidence. Because to you, “evidence” is that which satisfies a desire.
For those who are intellectually honest, the evidence is in the DOJ’s “Findings” and in Yale’s own internal docs. (Look them up yourself. If that’s too much effort, click on JT’s citations.) Besides that, I saw first hand how admissions committees concoct work arounds to use race when they knew doing so is illegal. If nothing else, academics excel at being devious.
The topic is Yale’s use of race — which you sanitized as Yale’s “holistic” approach. To satisfy a desire, you mangle a topic and mischaracterize arguments. *That* is your wicked, intellectually dishonesty.
Then you and your sock puppets have the gall to claim: But you didn’t refute X’s comment. One cannot refute a deception. One names it and moves along to interact with better people.
If you believe that no black students would get into the top schools without racial preferences you are mistaken, and have fallen prey to racial stereotypes. There would be fewer, but there would be some. And if elementary and high schools were improved there would be more.
What you call “holistic” assessment is racism in disguise. How is it that “character” turns out to reside disproportionately in less qualified black students? This is similar to what Harvard did when it reduced Asian admissions on “personality” grounds.
Using race to promote the less qualified by objective measures is divisive and destructive of competence throughout our institutions. It is also unlawful and unconstitutional.
Using race to sort people in defiance of federal law and the US Constitution is precisely what the South did for years. Our academic elites have taken a page from their book.
“How is it that “character” turns out to reside disproportionately in less qualified black students? This is similar to what Harvard did when it reduced Asian admissions on “personality” grounds.”
Maybe more black students are showing better character. Combined with the overall assessments it beats other students who are just have high scores. If more black students meet the school’s character preferences it has nothing to do with race. Character is colorblind. It’s what republicans always argue. Now they are upset because it’s not getting the results they wanted.
Of course, here is the “Trick” referred to above: “Shunting ‘qualified’ minority students.”
grorge
The segregation of the South was a system designed to completely shut out Black Americans from public life and education.
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And what party did this?
The Dem-o-rats.
Nothing has changed.