Jonathan Lopez has filed a lawsuit against a professor and Los Angeles City College over his treatment after giving a speech on the Christian view of marriage in speech class. Lopez alleges that Professor John Matteson had made it clear that he supported same-sex marriage. He claims that Matteson allegedly attacked him verbally, refused let him complete his speech, effectively called him a “fascist bastard” and refused to give him a grade (telling him to “ask God” for his grade).
Matteson is listed as the co-director of Forensics at the Speech Department.
The complaint in Lopez v. Candaele, (CD CA, filed 2/11/2009) was filed with the support of the Alliance Defense Fund Center for Academic Freedom, which litigates such claims. For a copy of the complaint, click here.
Lopez also alleges that Matteson told him that he would make sure that Lopez was expelled and told his entire class after the November election, “If you voted yes on Proposition 8, you are a fascist bastard.”
For the press release, click here.
For the full story, click here.
This is wrong. The facist bastard in this case is the teacher. Why didn’t he just ask the student some questions about his talk? That would have pointed out the holes in his argument. This isn’t hostile and it could have gotten a conversation going with the whole class. This professor doesn’t know how to teach. His actions were unacceptable and unprofessional.
The professor should have been talking with each of his students prior to their speech. If the content was not scholastic he could have asked the student to be intellectually rigourous in his approach. That would mean avoiding arguments based on authority, in this case the bible. There’s no reason not to have asked the student to research the history of marriage of which there is much fine scholarship. Then he should let the student talk and start opening a conversation with the class on what is being presented.
Professor John Matteson,
I understand where you are coming from, trust me on that, but you handled it like a thug. You TEACH SPEECH. Come on, you couldn’t diffuse him any better than that? When someone says something you object to, you counter-argue, but shutting him down like that was ham-fisted at best and a bit of authoritarian repression on your part. You should also reserve fascism as an insult when appropriate. I’m pretty sure Lopez isn’t a corporation or a corporate actor, just another person who totally missed the point of Jesus’ teachings. You could have called him a theocratic authoritarian hate-monger if you just wanted to hurl insults. It would have been more accurate. But if your goal was to invalidate this student’s stance, you really dropped the ball and did the 1st Amendment no favor. PROVE him wrong, don’t stomp him out. It’s the difference between judo and a shotgun. But it’s a little late for that, isn’t it?
boboo,
Hey, another Christian zealot who doesn’t know the definition of fascism OR theocracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascsim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocrat
Since your “morals” involve forcing your “belief” on others, you should probably go screw yourself. You are just as wrong as the professor was, dipstick.
Christians are so persecuted in this country, but what about the faith of a mustard seed? Seems like he would have been assured of an A had he only waited rather than calling on the corrupt Judicial system to award him one.
The sad truth is that sometimes the people on the correct side of an issue are just as bad as those they oppose. The professor was not just derelict in his duty (if the situation was as alleged)he showed himself to be too stupid to be teaching. a good teacher would have taken this as an opportunity for discussion, Matteson took it as an opportunity to express his inner rage. That is unprofessional, ignorant and should forfeit his job if the allegations prove true.
I think we’re pretty much all agree with the British Parlimentarian (Disraeli?) when he stated that we might “…disagree completely with what the gentleman has to say, but will defend to the death his right to say it”
My initial reaction to this absurd incident, of course, was that the professor is a moron. That conclusion is probably correct, but not particularly helpful. So what are the lessons to be learned?
1. The topic of the student’s speech was immaterial. He should have been graded on content, presentation, persuasiveness and logical construction. The professor’s response was dismissive, repressive (as Buddha notes) and arrogant. And as Jill pointed out, the student’s speech was an opportunity for a healthy and timely class debate.
2. As much as conservatives complain about the role of the judicial system in this country, it remains the only branch of government that can usually be trusted to slap down cavalier attempts to stifle controversial views.
3. It is foolish to assume that any battles over any constitutional rights have been forever concluded. As a college student in the late ’60s, I blithely assumed that most of the significant First Amendment disputes either had been, or would soon be, resolved. Age doesn’t necessarily bring wisdom, but it does bring the realization that the lessons of the previous generation are seldom understood or appreciated by the present. So we continue to fight the same battles with different players.
4. The universities have done a terrible job in promoting the benefits of free speech and free thought. As soon as we begin adopting measures to protect favored groups from hurt feelings, as soon as we begin to prohibit speech which is perceived to be culturally or ethnically insulting, we are teaching the false doctrine that some speech is more protected, that some ideas may not be expressed.
The professor’s reaction in this instance was a form of cultural fundamentalism as deeply flawed as religious fundamentalism, and for the same reason.
bugger and FED FUNDS: As a courtesy to people who actually think rather than simply repeat what Rush tells them, please restrict your comments to the topic. If you wish to express your views on a different subject, please choose the appropriate forum. Finally, please note that the reprinting of news pieces, regardless of the source, does not constitute commentary. If you actually have an idea, express it in complete sentences, avoid ad hominem attacks and explain the basis for your opinion. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
My brother was a hardcore conservative even in high school, much to the annoyance of some of his teachers. He got very hostile with one who, during a social studies project to create a society de novo, “encouraged” it to be designed as a socialist environmentalist utopia. (He got back at her by giving in but including enforcement: a police force that could arrest you for violating the Constitution if you, for instance, “created waste”. The Gestapo never had so many targets to chose from.)
On the flip side, when he was awarded Best English Student on graduation, his senior year English teacher gave it with something to the effect of “For those who think I’m biased when I give these awards, let me say I have never more respected the writing of someone who I agreed with less.” Matteson could have learned from the latter.
Likewise I think the Professor went too far but read this comment from Dean Allison Jones letter to the ADFCFA detaling some comments frm two other students in the class.
“Furthermore, you should be aware, that today I received statements from two students which were signed by several members of Mr. Lopez’ class. Contrary to Mr. Lopez’ assumptions, these classmates were deeply offended by his speech. One of the students stated that “His speech was not of the Los Angeles City College informative style that our assignment called for, but rather a preachy, persuasive speech that was completely inappropriate and deeply offensive. I respect his right to freedom of speech, but I also do not believe that our classroom is the proper platform for him to spout his hateful propaganda.”
Was the godly Mr. Lopez looking for a fight? I wonder.
mespo,
It doesn’t matter if Mr. Lopez was looking for a fight. There was a teacher in the class. The teacher holds a position of authority over the students and the classroom. It was his job to handle the situation. If he needed to he could have said, let’s end class early today. Then he could have spoken privately with Mr. Lopez, explaining the problem and working on how he could say what he wanted to say but within the boundries of scholastic argument. The next class could have opened up with, “let’s talk about how we’re going to handle ideas when we have real disagreements to deal with”. He could even have done this after asking Lopez to stop. Just talk with the class about hot/hurt feelings and how are we going to work through this situation. Teachers will run into these situations, they should know how to handle them. It’s part of being a teacher. If he is smart, he’ll own up to being a moron (to use Mike A.’s term), apologize and talk to the class about what happened. It would be a great lesson in free speech and how people can really fuck up their ideals sometimes when they feel passionately about an issue. Of course, this last might be precluded now that it has gone “legal” but if he could do this as a mediation agreement to end the case, it would be a smart and honorable resolution that would probably gain him a lot of respect.
Once again religion rears ugly heads.
The teacher should be reprimanded or fired for insubordination.
How do these fools get hired in the first place?
ben, you are off the topic and seem to be off your rocker. You are swamping the site with irrelevant postings.
How do you expect to persuade anyone with rants and raves?
Did you know that Betsy McC discredited herself back in 1993 and 1994 with unfounded allegations and charges about health care reform.
As Marx said, history repeats, but here it is farce after farce.
town crier, so you are coming to the defense of keith olbermann also by slandering betsy?
most of us are old enough to remember the attempt to nationalize health care in 1993 by hillary clinton. betsy did a great thing by helping to stop it then also or we would all be standing in line waiting for treatment like canadians and english.
anybody with money at all comes to america for treatment. especially for those procedures that governments determine you are too old to “add value” to the economy anymore and can’t get.
god bless you betsy.
town criar offers no proof, nothing, nada, just slanders a great woman who wants an open debate on health care.
nice guy. must be a liberal eh towny?
JIll:
“It doesn’t matter if Mr. Lopez was looking for a fight.”
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It does to me. These aren’t children we’re talking about. The alleged inappropriate threat to expel came after the class ended and when the student complained to the Dean. The internal complaint process was abandoned by the student after meeting with the advocacy group. I smell zealot here, and despite the teacher’s errors, if any, I’ll wait until all the facts come in on this one. In the article you can see the evaluation form completed by the professor. Despite it’s lack of a grade it does praise the speech on the basis a certain rhetorical criteria, and damns it for other shortcomings. While a passionate advocate, I see no wild-eyed lecturer here — unless baited. The comment about Prop 8 was made BEFORE the student speech debacle and thus the student was fully aware of the prof’s feelings on the topic. I’ll hold judgment a bit longer before deciding horns and halos.
The teacher is the one who made a fool of himself.
Town Crier, truly you are a blubbering crier. Hillary & Bill Clinton got caught LYING cold turkey by Betsy. Thank GOD for her:
On September 7, 1993, the Clinton administration began briefing congressional staff members on its draft healthcare reform plan, which was soon leaked to interest groups and the press, with details and analysis of it first published by The New York Times and The Washington Post on September 11, 1993. McCaughey, skeptical of what had been reported about the Clinton health plan and accustomed as an 18th century historian to using primary sources, asked for and received a copy of the draft health care reform plan from the office of U.S. Sen. Harris Wofford (D-PA) the following week.
On September 22, 1993, U.S. President Bill Clinton delivered a nationally televised speech about his health care reform plan to a joint session of Congress. From September 28–30, 1993, First Lady Hillary Clinton testified about the health care reform plan before five congressional committees over three days. On September 30, 1993, the last day of Hillary Clinton’s congressional committee testimony, The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by McCaughey, who said she had read and reread the 239-page draft health care reform plan and concluded that the plan differed markedly from the Clinton White House’s public statements and that the plan would in her opinion have “devastating consequences.”[10]
On October 27, 1993, President Clinton presented his Health Security Act bill to the U.S. Congress in the Capitol’s National Statuary Hall—the 1,342-page (in large print and double-spaced) bill was distributed to the press for free on two diskettes and went on sale at noon to the public in print for $45 from the Government Printing Office. On November 20, 1993, after passage of NAFTA on the last day of the 1993 session of Congress, the Health Security Act was introduced in the U.S. House as H.R. 3600 by House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO-3) with 99 (eventually 103) cosponsors and introduced in the U.S. Senate as S.1757 by Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell (D-ME) with 28 (eventually 29) cosponsors. On November 22, 1993, the Wall Street Journal published another op-ed by McCaughey, who said she had pored over the 1,342-page Health Security Act bill and concluded that its price controls would cause rationing and in her opinion was “dangerous.”[11]
mespo,
The teacher is in charge. Part of that pay is to handle difficult situations. He didn’t handle this well. Notice that I said it would be a good idea to ask for mediation unless it’s gone too far in the legal process. Professionals in positions of authority (and if you are grading someone you hold a position of authority) have to take responsibility for their actions. That doesn’t mean they need to be perfect, it does mean they need to own up to it when they screw up.
Of course Ben is off topic and off his rocker.
But then again I bet Ben is really Professor John Matteson.
Keri, you and ben are totally confused; wiki has the complete story. Betsy was discredited. The New Republic ultimately recanted the story and apologized for it. You all are living in a dream world.
Stop believing everythink you read in WSJ editorial pages. It is actually fantasy.
from wikipedia
No Exit
On September 7, 1993, the Clinton administration began briefing congressional staff members on its draft healthcare reform plan, which was soon leaked to interest groups and the press, with details and analysis of it first published by The New York Times and The Washington Post on September 11, 1993. McCaughey, skeptical of what had been reported about the Clinton health plan and accustomed as an 18th century historian to using primary sources, asked for and received a copy of the draft health care reform plan from the office of U.S. Sen. Harris Wofford (D-PA) the following week.
On September 22, 1993, U.S. President Bill Clinton delivered a nationally televised speech about his health care reform plan to a joint session of Congress. From September 28–30, 1993, First Lady Hillary Clinton testified about the health care reform plan before five congressional committees over three days. On September 30, 1993, the last day of Hillary Clinton’s congressional committee testimony, The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by McCaughey, who said she had read and reread the 239-page draft health care reform plan and concluded that the plan differed markedly from the Clinton White House’s public statements and that the plan would in her opinion have “devastating consequences.”[10]
On October 27, 1993, President Clinton presented his Health Security Act bill to the U.S. Congress in the Capitol’s National Statuary Hall—the 1,342-page (in large print and double-spaced) bill was distributed to the press for free on two diskettes and went on sale at noon to the public in print for $45 from the Government Printing Office. On November 20, 1993, after passage of NAFTA on the last day of the 1993 session of Congress, the Health Security Act was introduced in the U.S. House as H.R. 3600 by House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO-3) with 99 (eventually 103) cosponsors and introduced in the U.S. Senate as S.1757 by Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell (D-ME) with 28 (eventually 29) cosponsors. On November 22, 1993, the Wall Street Journal published another op-ed by McCaughey, who said she had pored over the 1,342-page Health Security Act bill and concluded that its price controls would cause rationing and in her opinion was “dangerous.”[11]
Martin Peretz, the owner and editor-in-chief of the formerly liberal magazine, The New Republic (TNR), was a longtime friend and mentor of Al Gore and (though Peretz thought Bill Clinton was “loathsome”) his magazine had endorsed Clinton-Gore in 1992, but opposed the Clinton health plan—endorsing instead the less ambitious rival managed competition health plan of Blue Dog Democrat U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN-4)—and thought welfare reform should be a higher priority than healthcare reform.
Peretz read and liked McCaughey’s two Wall Street Journal op-ed columns about Clinton’s health plan and commissioned her to expand them into an article for a TNR cover story to come out just before President Clinton’s 1994 State of the Union address.
McCaughey’s 5-page article “No Exit” was featured as the cover story in the February 7, 1994 issue of TNR published a few days before President Clinton’s January 25, 1994 State of the Union speech. The magazine cover was illustrated with a drawing of a warren of small interconnected rooms from which there was no exit. The article was illustrated with a caricature of a wild-haired “Dr.” Hillary Clinton with a stethoscope around her neck, a headband emblazoned “HMO” with a reflector mirror reflecting the image of Edvard Munch’s The Scream, looking up from a thick ring binder book titled “Regulations, Volume CIX”.[12]
The televised Republican response to Clinton’s State of the Union speech by U.S. Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole (R-KS) featured some of McCaughey’s arguments against the Clinton health plan; neoconservative Bill Kristol’s Project for the Republican Future quickly launched television advertisements attacking the Clinton health plan featuring McCaughey’s two Wall Street Journal op-ed columns and TNR article—to complement the “Harry and Louise” television advertisements by the Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA); and conservative opinion columnist George Will used McCaughey’s two Wall Street Journal op-ed columns and TNR article as a starting point for a Newsweek “Final Word” column that predicted the Clinton health plan would send doctors to prison and kill patients.[13]
The “TRB from Washington” column by Michael Kinsley[14] and an article by Yale public policy professor Theodore Marmor and Yale law professor Jerry Mashaw criticized McCaughey’s “No Exit” article as being confused and misleading in the February 14, 2007 issue of TNR.[15]
On January 31, 1994, the Clinton White House issued a 9-page analysis of McCaughey’s TNR article “No Exit” that said the article contained “numerous factual inaccuracies and misleading statements.”[16]
In 1994, McCaughey (as she was then known) vigorously criticized the health care reform package proposed by Bill Clinton in a widely read article in The New Republic. The piece, “No Exit”, won the National Magazine Award for excellence in the public interest. Supporters of the Clinton plan (including some of the editors of the New Republic) were vociferous in their criticism of McCaughey’s criticism. (Andrew Sullivan, The New Republic’s then-editor later acknowledged “I was aware of the piece’s flaws but nonetheless was comfortable running it as a provocation to debate.”)[17]
While the article was seized by conservative commentators seeking to discredit the Clinton plan, much of McCaughey’s article later proved inaccurate; particularly, her claims that “the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage you think is better,” and that “doctor[s] can be paid only by the plan, not by you” were flatly contradicted by the text of the legislation.[18]
(Section 1003 of the Health Security Act provided that “[n]othing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the following: (1) An individual from purchasing any health care services.”)[19]
The New Republic ultimately recanted the story and apologized for it.[20]
Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With a friend to call my own
I’ll never be alone
And you, my friend, will see
You’ve got a friend in me
(you’ve got a friend in me)
Ben, you’re always running here and there
You feel you’re not wanted anywhere
If you ever look behind
And don’t like what you find
There’s one thing you should know
You’ve got a place to go
(you’ve got a place to go)
I used to say “I” and “me”
Now it’s “us”, now it’s “we”
I used to say “I” and “me”
Now it’s “us”, now it’s “we”
Ben, most people would turn you away
I don’t listen to a word they say
They don’t see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I’m sure they’d think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(a friend) Like Ben
(like Ben) Like Ben
seamus:
I tell you stay away from Neverland Ranch. I mean it!
roflmao
So consider yourself warned, you wild-eyed Irish maniac!
When I was in Law School, before I flunked out, I can remember teachers asking us to debate certain facts of a case, only to release further facts at intervals following. Each time making more of the story clearer and perhaps changing one’s perspective. When I jumped in to criticize early on in this thread I came down very hard on the teacher for the actions. Luckily, I did qualify my derision by saying “If the situation was as alleged.” Just like back at Law School, oh if I had only realized you couldn’t get through without studying intensely, Mespo has added a few more facts regarding some student’s reactions. I side with him in thinking possibly we have an instance here of the student intentionally setting up a situation. I don’t know and we should all wait for more evidence to be supplied.
I think though that this is possibly a good example of the problem we face with the news media. Too often, as all of us have seen, one side of an issue gets reported as fact and before all the facts are revealed the citizenry rushes to judgment. That is why in our system you are presumed innocent.
People get convicted of crimes and only years later do we discover that salient facts were made unavailable to the jury and public. Then too juries in sensational cases are not able to come to their duties as blank slates. Rushing to judgment and concomitant outrage gets one’s adrenalin going and perhaps stimulates us beyond where our logic could take us.
This case illustrates how badly we Americans need to get over our foolish notion that everyone should be allowed have their own opinions about things. We should start following Canada’s practice of having a Human Rights Commission that establishes the acceptable opinions on major public issues. In Canada, anyone having an improper opinion can be found guilty of a hate crime. The professor in this case should be regarded as a hero for not allowing hate speech in his class. Such speech should be regarded as mental pollution and outlawed just as smoking is outlawed in the classroom. The U.S. Supreme Court should reinterpret the constitutional right of “free speech” to mean “speech that makes us more free,” meaning free from racism, social injustice, poverty, and right-wing tyranny. Only speech that promotes these goals should be constitutionally protected.
Eric:
Let’s just come up with a list of what’s acceptable and burn everything that we don’t like. Not too original but really effective. Look how well that worked for Hitler!
Mike and mespo,
I can speak from personal experience on this topic. I live in an ultraconservative, right wing religious city. When I teach I run into these situations all the time because a lot of students here do believe homosexuality is a sin. So I make it a point to begin the term talking with my class about how we are going to handle deeply felt differences of opinion. I go over some ground rules for discussion, such as no personal attacks. And I tell my students that I will make clear my own thinking but I give my word that I will not mark them down if they disagree with me. I know from reading my evaluations that this works. It lets people speak up but gives a framework for disagreement that is respectful of others. Even though this teacher did not set up any type of groundwork, there is no reason for him to “take the bait”. He didn’t handle this well. Even his institution thinks that. He may not have much choice but to dig in his heels now that it’s a legal matter but I wish he would have just apologized and made things right between the student, himself and the class.
Jill:
Your system works for most people, but ideologues have an agenda that does not include reasonableness. I would feel just a strongly this was a set up, if this was a liberal speaker and a conservative professor given the complaints of the rest of the class. People are pretty good at figuring out who is the jerk in the room.
But tell me how you would handle a scenario where a student insisted on answering a cosmological question with the Biblical world view that the Earth is only 6000 years old? Is he wrong? Deluded” Or is that view worthy of respect?
I have to agree, although my primary complaint is the teacher’s poor handling of the situation, that this does indeed reek of setup. Ideologues are indeed rarely interested in logic or reason. Or to paraphrase James Brown, “They don’t know karate, but they sure know crazy.”
mespo,
This also happens a lot around here. I met this guy from New York and he had never had the experience of dealing with biblical literalists. It was a shock to his system and understandably so. I think people who don’t have to live in this type of environment don’t get practice dealing with these issues every day! A scholastic argument does not proceed from biblical authority so I would take it from there. I think one of the posters here, named Jack, did an excellent job of taking on the cosmology question! I’ll try to find and link to it. The underlying point is, even if the student came loaded for bear the teacher doesn’t have to take the bait. I think of how Janice responded to the vile comments about Lisa, her family and her. She has just lost the love of her life but she didn’t take any bait. Instead she spoke with great dignity from her heart, about the person she loved. I’m guessing that she gave a lot of people who don’t like lesbians pause in a way this professor’s actions never would.
From Buddha’s link on sceintology (thanks):
“TOLEDO, Ohio – A man held a woman captive in handcuffs and an adult diaper for three days while he read Bible passages to her, police said.” (AP)
I rest my case.
I attended this school many moons ago, and I can also attest to the discrimination that Mr. Lopez is now experiencing from one of his professors. I had a similar experience at this college(college? that’s a good one)when I expressed my beliefs as a Catholic. I was ridiculed by the liberal professor, if you can call her that. In fact, she incited an American Indian student in class to get rightous with me. I chose not to beat the monkey crap out of this pathetic excuse for an indigenous person, but rather calmly diffused the escalating situation by exiting the calssroom prudently. I than dropped out of this class and went into another, as I needed this particular class for graduation. This professor I had was also subsequently sued by another student for humiliating him in class and attempting to incite other students against him. I had good professors at this school and some truly lousy ones, who always seemed to have a liberal socialist anti-Christian perspective on education. I am hoping that this particular professor of speech is sanctioned riduculed publicly then fired for the cockroach he truly is.
psst . . . your zealotry is showing, Tomas.
As a follow up to my earlier post, please forgive the grammatical errors, I would like to further articulate my feelings regarding Mr. Lopez’s situation. Despite the fact he may have editorialized his view concerning gay marriages, which I personally think is an utter fucking joke, he did not deserve to be ridiculed and and humiliated in front of his peers the way he was. I know where of I speak. I was a student in a group interraction class that was nothing more than an opportunity for minorities and welfare recipients to decry the system that they feel has been oppressing them for years. The worthless excuse for a professor giddily incited students to pounce on people with any divergent expression of thought. I fortunately dropped the class before things truly escalated and I was fortunate enough to take the same class with a much more tolerant and pedantic professor. The woman who taught the class I transferred into was beloved by all her students as she was tolerant, thoughtful and genuinely cared about the development of her students and it showed dramatically in her teaching and mentoring. Some of you reading my post would assume I am a card carrying memeber of the John Burch Society, not so. I am a democrat, who sometimes has voted Republican at times. I jokingly refer to myself as a Harry Truman kind of Democrat. You know,”Give em hell Harry”. Most of the so called liberals out there are not truly liberals, they are true phonies who merely champion there own value system at the expense of listening to anything even remotely moderate. This professor sounds like a pathetic brown noser who was trying to score points with the hostile mob called a classroom that he had know control over. He should have diffused the situation by maturely talking with the student after class regarding the content of his speech. Clearly this wannabe professor is no leader, and has absolutely know business teaching in one of our state community colleges. Based on his presentation in class that day, he should resign before he is fired and noiselessly slither back to West Hollyweird, which is where he belongs.
pst . . . your homophobia is showing too, Tomas.
Jon Abbey,
Why do your comments not ring true? what is it about them that leads me to believe your college stories and other comments belie
a racist agenda and phonied experiences? Perhaps it’s because they do seems racist and faux conservative. I also doubt very strongly that you are a registered Democrat, more likely you added that lie in a vain attempt at credibility.
Hey moron, I don’t care if my blatant homophobia is showing! My posts are not directed at you so get a life and read a book, better still you should go on a date with a woman, it would probably do you a world of good.
Who cares if what I write does not ring true to your value system. The very fact that you slavishly need to keep writing posts on this website tells me you are probably a loser with very little social life. I suppose anyone who doesn’t march in an AIDS parade is a bigot and homophobe. My friend, this is a complex world made up of many people with many divergent value systems. At least be intellectually honest to allow others to have views and opinions that do not coincide with yours. Okay.
I don’t care what you like. You came into this playground, asshat, running your hateful mouth and you got smacked down. Just like you are now. Just because you can’t bully here, now your panties are in a bunch. Boo hoo.
Bring the heat better than that, Tomas. I have chunks of guys tougher than you in my stool.
Plus, I’m betting I’ve read more books in the last week than you have in your life. And I’m too much a gentlemen to talk about the ladies, but when you kiss a girl for the first time, you get back to me. Nice insult by the way. You taking lessons from a spastic monkey? My next door neighbor’s ten year old can bust better than that.
This is the deep end. You should stay in the kiddie pool if you don’t want to get hurt.
whine whine whine
You want some cheese with that, genius?
Come on, make yourself look worse than you already have. I’m laughing my ass off.
“Who cares if what I write does not ring true to your value system.”
Are you too dumb to realize that I called you a liar and could care less about what you conceptualize to be your value system.
If you come on like a bigot and a liar then I assume your a bigot and a liar. The main point though was that you never attended the college in question, nor did you take the class you mentioned and the incident you claim to have happened was just a made up fantasy, in service of your vile point of view. You are of course entitled to your viewpoints and if they happen not to agree with mine I’ll respect your position as long as its’ presented with logic and wit. Your method of blatantly lying is not a point of view that deserves anyone’s respect. As for your other nasty comments you sound like a 10 year old in a schoolyard.
Hey cocksnot, the reason you don’t talk about the ladies is beacause you don’t like the ladies. Your a girly man who only dates the HAND. So treat her well, as she is as close to a date as you will ever get. Ciao
Cocksnot?
Yeah, I’m betting you’re about 12. Call back when mom unlocks the basement door.
Hey Mike, I understand you are a disgruntled law school drop out. Oh check that,you flunked out because you didn’t have the skill set to finish what you started. Based upon your limited vocabulary, I can only assume you and your girlfriend Buddha Man both finished the seventh grade. And trust me I am being generous.
Or keep making yourself look like a jackass. I find it amusing.
So what’s next? You gonna tell how big your pecker is? What a badass you are?
pst . . . your insecurity and feelings of sexual inadequacy are showing.
Did I mention you reek of sexual confusion?
This message goes out to Mike and Buddhaman. Both of you should get together, and get married. You both have similar value systems, and have the combined IQ of a used tampon. Peace be with you on your pathetic jouneys………
Awwwww poor little Tomas is going to run away now. Come back when you have hair below the waist.
Buddha,
Well I guess he sure told us off.
Oh yeah, I feel throughly chastised, Mike. I’m going to go hide under the bed in fear.
Aww, who the Hell am I kidding!
Jon Abbey:
you little asshole, you arent worth the shine on either MikeS or Buddhas shoes. I have learned more from those 2 guys in 3 weeks on this website than you learned from all of your schooling.
They may be liberal but they can analyze the piss out of just about anything you throw at them and with precision. You however are a monkey lover, low brow, neanderthal wannabe.
You little petulant cocksucker, the best part of you dribbled down your mothers thigh.
Jon Abbey:
“he did not deserve to be ridiculed and and humiliated in front of his peers the way he was.”
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He didn’t of course, but his opinions certainly did. Everyone should have their opinions tested and confronted. What I find is that among the religious dogmatist crowd, confronting ideas is a serious taboo. It’s right because God, or Allah, or somebody says it’s right. This student had best learn that his ideas are subject to criticism and analysis just like those of everyone else. By the way, Buddha and Mike S are two of the most articulate and passionate members of this blog’s community of ideas, and taking aim at them entails and requires more than a pop gun!
Hey Bron, I guess you must be Buddha and Mike’s new punk. Do they pimp you out cheap and keep all of the proceeds for themselves, or do they share some of the hard earned dollars you earn for them on Sunset Blvd. Hopefully they share it with you and your developmentally disabled family? By the way Bron, based on your slavish stupidity to your boyfriends, I can only imagine how pleased your mother is, as you are her sole abortion that lived.
Funny how invective satisfies the lesser man’s need to feel superior when his intellect won’t do the job!
Jon Abbey:
I will be MikeS and Buddhas punk any day of the week as long as they keep the analysis and learning flowing.
It is not slavish stupidity it is admiration for the way they think. Someone of your mindset would not understand that, and so in your mindless search for validation you seek to destroy what you cannot comprehend. As Mespo said you dont bring a peashooter to a gun fight.
It appears this blogsite has a number of sycophants who are in awe of the acumen and rhetoric of these two light weights Buddhaman and Mike the law school dropout. I merely wanted to get in on this discussion today as I champion Mr. Lopez’s right to speak freely and not be intimidated in a hostile scholastic environment. I have no doubt his attorneys are outstanding, he will invariably win his lawsuit and this laughingstock of a professor will be fired for his his own leftist/fascist tirade in the classroom.
It’s funny how bloggers won’t be intellectually honest enough to say they are as base, cruel and mean spirited as some, when they themselves are more than ready to spew invectives. Everyone who has criticized me today has had as much of an acid tongue as myself, so please spare me the high road you are all taking, it only makes you look obviously pained by the truth I have shared with you.
You’re just insane, aren’t you?
My name is Luca, I live on the second floor…
Buddhaman, Mike, Bron et al, you are a spirirted group of bloggers, I must say. I very seldom blog, yet I felt compelled to jump in the fray, when I saw so many people ready and willing to champion the likes of this LACC professor. I said some outrageous things to you guys, I know none of you and I am feeling a little bummed I went so balistic. It may seem nutty, but I apologize for the insensitive and rather cruel things I said to you guys and(girls?)I don’t know if any females chimed in. Anyways, I said some less than wonderful things and I mean none of them as I don’t know any of you guys and sure don’t want to be despised by all. We all have bad days and have minor melt downs. Keep up the positive thought provoking dialogue, I will offend you no more. And when I say Peace Be with You, I really mean ” Peace Be With You”
The only person that made any sense to me on this post was Jon Abby. Thank goodness we have still have a few good conservative catholic men out there.
Sure.
Here’s what happened that last time “good conservative catholic men” held the reins.
The Shell Game of “Hide the Child Molester” in wanton disregard for both the teachings of Christ and, oh, what is that thing, oh yeah – THE LAW.
Conspicuous consumption by church officials while parishioners starve – hardly loaves and fishes, but isn’t the Pope dressed nice? And his Holiness’ pad is kickin’!
The suppression of basic human rights for women so they can be kept as servile breeders.
Wanton disregard for immigration law . . . if the illegals are Catholic and willing to work for sub-minimum wages.
Pope Pious X. They have pictures of him hanging with his buddies, the Nazis. ‘Nuff said.
The persecution of Galileo and the torture and execution of Giordano Bruno for having the balls to use their brains to help decode the world around us. Yeah, the Earth not being the center of the solar system is SUCH a threat to Jesus’ teachings of love and compassion. But is was a threat to the power of the RCC’s Earthly power.
The Inquisition. Do I really have to spell that out? The very definition of FUBAR.
The Crusades. Yeah. That was a good idea. Did you think about asking if they minded if you visited before invading or was the temptation of all those spoils just too much to resist?
Not exactly the portrait of Christ like behavior. And hardly a comprehensive list.
Simply, the Catholic Church carries all the moral authority of their cumulative actions. Which is “none”.
You boys want to help Catholicism? Carrying a message of hate and intolerance isn’t the way to do it, but the history of the RCC shows it is often SOP. Opus Dei? It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragically misguided. The organization of the RCC isn’t about the teachings of Jesus. It never was. It’s about perpetuating the organization. The Catholic Church is just as socially divisive as Fundamentalism, they just have nicer buildings and artwork. Joining is the job of a carpenter. I’ve said it before and it’s still true: Jesus was a carpenter, not a fence. The sooner you figure that out, the sooner you can help turn the Church around.
Sandman:
I say back to sleep after that oxymoron “good conservative catholic men.” As Buddha said they’re the ones that brought us child abuse by the dozens.
Jon Abbey:
Correct me if i am wrong but i believe most people were against what the teacher did and were siding with the student. I think Mespo may have said he was waiting for all the facts. It could indeed be a case of liberal baiting.
I am probably more conservative than you are, although i do seem to agree with most of the people on this site about individual rights. for the most part most of the people on this site are pretty consistant on the issue of individual rights. they however are against really free markets and they have made their points as to why. I will endeavor to learn more and try at some future point to lay out a cogent argument that will cause them all to have a capitalistic epiphany by virture of this superior argument. Until that time I will continue to learn at the feet of Mespo, MikeS, MikeA and Buddha, and Bobesq (although I think Bob is conservative too, but the Kant thing is perplexing at this point).
You would do well to read what these gentlemen have to say and think about what they have written and examine and offer your own argument as to why they are right or wrong. They offer arguments from the other side of the aisle and have really caused me to think about what I believe, I actually think that because of this I am able to better articulate what I believe and to actually understand why I believe what I believe. I came on this site trying to stick it to the liberals, but they argue better and it will make you think.
Bron,
Let me clarify my stand on capitalism.
It’s fine for 90% of the crap we humans make and sell to each other. Just dandy. No complaints. The things it is not so good for all impact the common good. They are: medical care, energy, arbitrage transactions, water and food safety and education. Those issues are, when abused, a direct threat to not just national security but the very fabric of society. We are the only Western country where a family can be bankrupted for medical bills. Exxon should be nationalized just like the offending predatory banks should be – they’re just blatant criminals at this point with a proven disregard for the common good if it means they make out like bandits. We’ve seen how well industry can police itself in the Poison Peanuts scandal, Enron, etc. And given our resources and tradition, there is no reason EVERY American shouldn’t have the best education on Earth at a reasonable price or for free. Education improves the social base line across the board. Think of it as systemic error reduction.
Yes, I am for limited socialism. The key word there being “limited”. Like the Swedes do it. Unrestrained socialism is communism and we all saw how well that worked out. But unrestrained capitalism is fascism. And there is nothing I hate worse, nothing more deserving of scorn except child molesters, nothing as damaging to the fabric of civilization as a fascist. I think fascism and the unbridled greed it represents is simply evil incarnate. Satan in an Armani and $1000 shoes. Pure ego worship at the expense of humanity and civilization. But I think you already know this. Pure communism and pure capitalism are extremes. Socialism is the middle road. We ALL have a stake in OUR survival, not just the venal half-wits of Wall and K Street. And it’s a road that doesn’t lead to destruction, repression and systemically endorsed evil behaviors. It leads to a better life for all when the weakest among us are uplifted. If that means clamping down on greed and other sociopathic behavior, so be it.
Buddha:
I am a capitalist, communist, socialist, anarchist,or whatever term you like if the system insures the greatest good for the most number of people without sacrificing the rights and prerogatives of all involved. That is a tall order, I know, but if you’re going to be for something, be for something big and beautiful.
Buddha:
I am not for Facism and I think what we have now is an oligarchy of the rich and political classes and definetely inimical to freedom and free enterprise. What we have now is actually closer to facism than capitalism. And we are going further down that road if we nationalize the banks. I too agree that the least among us must be taken care of, there is no argument on that point. The difference is mechanism.
And I further agree that some things must be handled by the federal government just because of the logistics involved. But from the track record of the federal government I am not at all convinced that it can do much effectively but collect taxes and increase its size. (There must be some studies about governments and growth).
My beliefe in capitalism may be idealistic, but I shall continue to hold it until such time as we experience true free market capitalism and it fails. From about 1913 on we have had a mixture of socialism and capitalism. It has worked marginally well depending on the amount of freedom the markets have at any given point in history, the more freedom the better (in my mind) it has worked.
Finally I know of saying that they had in the 19th century – “Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations” this in my mind is a testiment to the dynamism of a free market. Today we have a ruling class that perpetuates itself because of a lack of dynamism. These people are currs and need to be expunged from the body politic. You believe by force if necessary, I believe that free markets can do the same thing and with less pain to the masses.
Buddha: I can see you obviously despise the catholic church and perceive the church and all of it’s followers as either deluded or anti-semites. That is as intelligent as saying all americans are bad because of a handful of criminals or rotten politicians ergo we should scrap democracy because a few wayward politicians got into the woodpile. The most elusive of all virtues is humility, because just about the time you think you are humble you are proud again. To imply that the church is bad because some bad priests have been in it is pretty pathetic and your own bias and objectivity is showing. By the way what is your religious background? You are very open in slamming everyone else. Also, I’m curious don’t you work? I bet you sit at the internet all day massaging your ego and basking in the validation of your bad of pseudo intellectual followers. When you stated you read so many books , name a few. What is your educational background? I have two bachelor of science degrees. One in behavioral science and another in geology. I am two classes away from receiving my MA, which I will be receiving in May. My work pays me close to six figures although I am off with a cold the past few days. I am curious about you and your educational and vocational background.
Buddha, clearly you are an intelligent person, with a good grasp of sophistry and you articulate well. You have a seemingly cogent mind, yet your over the top indictment of the Church is painfully obvious. I went to rome last year with my then fiance, it was an awesome experience. The baroque architecture and the historyt were awe-inspiring, you should go it was truly an experience that has left an indelible impression in my mind and heart. My faith was also revitalized and being able to pray at the tomb and sarcophagus of Saint Peter and Paul was the most moving spiritual experience of my life. You were quick to point out the not so wonderful memebers of the church, but you forgot to mention Mother Teresa, Father damien of Molokai and Maximillian Kolbe the polish preiest who was murdered at Aushwitz. Buddha, you should the join the catholic church, even though you think we’re all hypocrites because my friend, there is always room for one more…………..
Buddha: As time goes on I hope I will be able to get you to disclose a little more about yourself and who you are. Maybe you are like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Maybe. As time goes on and if I decide to play on this little blogsite, I will find out your jelly spot, I think I already have it’s your ego. But more will be revealed.
By the way Buddha, unrestrained socialism is not Communism. Communism is socialism that employs violence to support it. As a further wall of control it disallows the ability of its adherents to worship.
“The most elusive of all virtues is humility, because just about the time you think you are humble you are proud again.”
My name is Luca…
Buddhaman: You stated that you have read so many books, I consider myself a bit of a bibliophile, Tellme about some of the thought provoking books you have read and how they have helped to shape your thinking and value system. Remember I don’t impress easily.
Jon Abbey,
How nice that you recognized your intemperance and want to make nice. Had you also attempted to use your reading skills prior to jumping in and venting your spleen you might have realized that in the fifth post on this thread I chastised the professor with the caveat like Mespo, that the student’s claims may not have been true. Buddha’s post incidentally was the second response but Buddha can more than handle himself and you.
Your invitation to the glories of Catholicism is one I’ll pass on. I come from a people who have been treated rather badly by Catholics since their true inception at the first Council of Nicaea in 325 CE. The Romans who stole Christianity from the true Christians for Constantine’s glory were plundering thugs, with no real culture of their own, but had the ability to borrow and desiccate the culture of others. The murdering of Jews during the Crusades; the expulsion of them from Spain in 1492; the Inquisition; the blood libels; the slanders; Pope Pius XII’s accommodation with Hitler; the Church’s “ratline” after WWII which helped Nazi war criminals escape; the current Pope’s de-excommunicating Shoah deniers and being a member of Hitler youth and finally all the Catholic kids who denounced me as a “Christ Killer” as I was growing up, sort of leaves me cold to the idea of the mission of The Church.
Italian’s since the Renaissance, however, are a different thing. All of my parent’s best friends as I grew up were Italian. They were wonderful warm people, as have been the close Italian friends I have had in my life. We never discuss religion though and they never extolled theirs, nor disparaged mine. I’ve been to St. Patrick’s church on Christmas Eve and to many church services for weddings, christenings, etc. I liked the music, pageantry and ceremony. Similarly, many Catholic friend have come to my Synagogue to celebrate my daughters various right of passage ceremonies. They have also been at my Seder table on Passover. I dislike Catholicism in some of its’ institutional excesses, but if it works for you God bless.
Finally, how nice that you make 6 figures. In my work I was only able to achieve in the low 6 figures in the last two years before becoming disabled. Then too I worked 38 years in jobs based on helping and caring for people and those don’t pay much. You correctly saw that I flunked out of Law School after 2 1/2 years at night. As I’ve stated that was my fault and overconfidence from my 690 Law Boards added to the belief I didn’t have to put as much work as I should into it and so I learned a valuable lesson.
Perhaps though, since you so proudly mention your two BS degrees and upcoming MA, I might refer you to the rest of my education. I’ve been self supporting and an orphan since age 17. Nevertheless I received my BBA on a full tuition scholarship and was admitted to Colleges because my SAT’s placed me in the first percentile, even though I never did homework in high school. I graduated from college having done little homework there also, yet I had a respectable average. My luck ran out in Law School, where as those lawyers on this site will tell you hard work and study are really necessary. I made it through 2 1/2 years though, so that at least gives you a sense of my capabilities.
I received an MS from Columbia University (Ivy League) on another full tuition scholarship, which I won in competition with 24 other students, based on marks after taking nine credits. I graduated with my MS and an A average, since Law School taught me a valuable lesson. I also spent 5 years doing post graduate training as a Psychotherapist, at a State Licensed facility. What was unusual about that was some of it was spent while I was still working on my Masters and they made a very rare exception in taking me in, since it was their policy to only train people who had already received Masters or Doctorates.
I hesitated to write this but the smugness implied by you as you laid out your bona fides needed a detailed response to let your realize that you’ve done nothing special compared to the people who regularly contribute to this site. Since I mentioned the Law School failure, with humility, your attacking me with it was done in the spirit of meanness. I just wanted to inform you that there was much more to the story.
In truth though, I am not as accomplished as most on this site and at times I am in awe of the breadth of their knowledge. However, this site is not examining one’s accomplishments, only the quality and interest of their thought. I’m sure that you’ve achieved a good deal in life, but that really doesn’t
mean you’ve got anything valuable to contribute and frankly an apology such as yours doesn’t absolve truly boorish behavior.
Righty-o
Getting back on topic…
Los Angeles City College = state action?
I’m gonna venture a guess and say yes.
Then again, one need not have a B.S. in behavioral science & geology to realize that digressing into a rant about the vices v. virtues of the Catholic Church is tantamount to carving one’s own tombstone out of black granite (a/k/a basalt) on this issue.
Your courtesies in connection with this matter are greatly appreciated.
Glad to hear from you Mike. Boy I am sure impressed by a man who graduated from an Ivy leasgue school, but is unable to get thru law school. Most law schools require that a person have know more than 60 units to attend. My attempt at making nice was because I am a good person who has the ability still to spin out of his center, and say some things I am not proud of. Unfortunately nothing I say will strike you right as you don’t seem to be that forgiving or tolerant of other peoples excesses. Just as an aside Mike diplomas and degrees really come a dime a dozen. In fact most of my family have Ph.d’s from either Stanford Northwestern or Uof M, so I don’t impress easily when it comes to others accomplishments either. Curiously you mentioned psychotherapy, did you work in this field or were you unable to pass the state boards to become a licensed psychotherapist. Somehow what you share with me Mike does not ring completely true. But then I suppose you can say anything over the anonymity of the internet especially when using a pseudonym and no one can challenge your credentials.
“You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it’s going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it’s always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.” — Robert Pirsig
Righty-o
So I’m gonna say yes on the ‘acting under color of state law’ issue; thereby making the First and Fourteenth Amendments applicable.
Bob, Esq.
Much obliged for the “Good will.”
Jon,
I’m relatively late to this dance, but ’round here we don’t ‘kin much to Arguments from authority.
While Mike might rate himself as the among the lowest education wise, I am probably the lowest education wise. My chosen college major was music. I don’t especially want to get into why I didn’t graduate, but it has something to do with a lack of money and not really needing an actual degree to work in my chosen field. My point is most people here know my education is almost exclusively in the arts, but when they disagree they argue the logic\facts of my opinion, not the fact that they’ve have more years of schooling under their belt.
My advice to all on this blog is read the book, The People of the Lie, by M. Scott Peck M.D. It is a powerful and thought provoking read………..
Bob,
Would the Profs. motivation be a factor in this? What if he stopped the speech because it was disruptive to the class rather than based on his opposition to the student’s view point?
Basalt is a volcanic rock composed of very finely grained silica, or silicon dioxide. Silicon dioxide forms the common mineral quartz and it’s varities including it’s cousins chalcedony agate and even Opal. Opal is composed of silicon diaxide and H2O which is why it is so brittle and cracks when heat causes it to expand. Basalt is rich in iron oxide and does compose most of the earth’s crust. Of course Granite is an igneous rock with an admixture of many minerals, with many potential origins. My personal favorites are rainbow wood. which is the state fossil of arizona. The scientific name is Araucarioxylon arizonicum and it is often referred to as rainbowwood. The red colors are due to the iron oxide which also helps to turn it beautifully yellow. The black color is caused by the introduction of manganese and green variteies in the Chinle formation are due to introduction of Chromium. The closest living extant relative of arizonicum is Araucaria heterophylla, or the norfolk Island Pine found off the coast of queensland australia. The family Araucariaciae is an ancient form of conifer with only a few extant species, all found only in the southern hemisphere. By the way I recently aquired an awesome specimen of Palmoxylon from the Catahoula Formation in Louisiana. I can party around this puppy for days
Jonny boy,
“When you stated you read so many books , name a few. What is your educational background? I have two bachelor of science degrees. One in behavioral science and another in geology. I am two classes away from receiving my MA, which I will be receiving in May. My work pays me close to six figures although I am off with a cold the past few days.”
“Just as an aside Mike diplomas and degrees really come a dime a dozen”
“Buddhaman: You stated that you have read so many books, I consider myself a bit of a bibliophile, Tellme about some of the thought provoking books you have read and how they have helped to shape your thinking and value system. Remember I don’t impress easily.”
Are you that dense that you don’t see the dichotomy there?
“Basalt (pronounced /bəˈsɔːlt, ˈbeisɔːlt, ˈbæsɔːlt/)[1][2] is a common extrusive volcanic rock. It is usually gray to black and fine-grained due to rapid cooling of lava at the surface of a planet. It may be porphyritic containing larger crystals in a fine matrix, or vesicular, or frothy scoria. Unweathered basalt is black or gray.
The most common uses for this rock are as aggregate in highway construction, railroad ballast, and tile. Basalt is also a major component of asphalt.
On Earth, most basalt magmas have formed by decompression melting of the mantle. Basalt has also formed on Earth’s Moon, Mars, Venus, and even on the asteroid Vesta. Source rocks for the partial melts probably include both peridotite and pyroxenite (e.g., Sobolev et al., 2007). The crustal portions of oceanic tectonic plates are composed predominantly of basalt, produced from upwelling mantle below ocean ridges.
The term basalt is at times applied to shallow intrusive rocks with a composition typical of basalt, but rocks of this composition with a phaneritic (coarse) groundmass are generally referred to as dolerite (also called diabase) or gabbro.”
Wikipedia. Party on puppy.
I have now realized, I am in a law web blog. You are all legal eagles who either practice law, study law or teach law, or are just flat out interested in law. Kudos to you legal eagles, you are the great interpreters of our constitution, I will sleep better knowing you hard at the books. Again, thankyou……..
Hey Mike you forgot to many all the Paleobotany data I was so eager to share with my readers. I guess your skill set dosn’t extend to geology paleobotany and stratigaraphy. But then why would it you are deficient in this highly scientific discipline.
Bob,
Great quote, great book and yeah I’m guilty also of straying off topic. Ignorant smugness has a way if getting under my skin.
Gyges,
You are as smart as they come and you know it. As to your question and from admittedly a law school flunk out, wouldn’t take a heap of proof to show the student was disrupting the class by reading his assignment?
Mike, the extent of your knowledge in the earth sciences extends only to what you can access on Wikkpedia, that’s okay it’s a start…..
Gyges,
Left out the “it.”
Should be:
wouldn’t it take a heap of proof to show the student was disrupting the class by reading his assignment?
Mike,
I never said I wasn’t smart, just not as well educated. I’ve don’t generally confuse intelligence with education, and neither do most of the people here (which was my point).
The signed statements that Mespo referred to might go a long way to establishing that. Let’s not forget that this didn’t happen in a vacuum, there was a classroom full of witnesses who can testify to how disruptive the speech was or wasn’t. I’m just wondering if he could prove that his motives weren’t based on the content of the speech but the manner in which it was presented if it would be a valid defense.
“Mike, the extent of your knowledge in the earth sciences extends only to what you can access on Wikkpedia, that’s okay it’s a start…..”
You don’t get irony do you? To spell it out for you I was showing what crap your comment was in your vain attempt to show off. I’m sure if I googled further I’d find the reference you copied your original comment from. The more you write the more you seem like an eleventh grader home from school with a sore throat. The quality of your immaturity shows through and so for your sake I hope that’s true, because if it isn’t and you’re an adult then you’re in deep trouble. Don’t they teach earth Science in the eleventh grade?
“I have now realized, I am in a law web blog.”
Res ipsa loquitur
Just as as aside in my collection of silicified wood I now have specimens of palmoxylon, Podocarpoxylon, Araucarioxylon and araucaria maribils, from patagonia and the alto plano. My pride and joy is the awesome six inch cross sectional slab of fossilized wood fiber from the catahoula Formation in Louisiana. It is of the dark variety as it is rich in manganese and is fully agatized. I am tentatively guessing that it is approximately 25 million years old. My arizonicum is very ancient dating back to the Triassic period of the Mesozoic era the age of the Dinosaur! I am in the process of aquiring some wondeful fossilized pecan and hickory of the family Juglandaceae from the genus Carya.
Gyges,
I know that, but I was just unnecessarily underlining your point re education.
As for the rest, you’re right there were a lot of witnesses. now if they backed the professor wouldn’t it then hang on what he actually said to the student in class. If it was as the student alleged, then he might have gone overboard even in his dealing with the disruption of the class. However, if he was less vituperative in his dismissal, if agreed on by most of the witnesses, then he was acting reasonably.
Mike, in the final equation you are painfully in need of validation and you are suffering from an overload of hubris. I can only hope that your pathetic life in front of your computer screen will still allow you to venture out of doors to marvel at the beauties of the natural world. By the way your knowledge does not seem to extend into the realm of Paleobotany and paleontology. What a shame, I was going to refer to the works of Tidwell and Syd Ash who are the preeminent scholars on fossilized plant material from the southwest. Using the binomial system of botanical nomenclature will not be applied for you, as you would not understand a single thing I say. It would be like speaking Cantonese to a Laotian………….
Oh Miiiiiiike, come out come out wherever you are……….
Mike,
I wasn’t claiming the professor behaved well, just wondering about the viability of a possible defense.
Aw c’mon Mike it was getting fun. Don’t run home just yet……..
Remember one thing my fledgling legal eagles, there is no crime in this country for being a jerk, mean spirited or an a–hole. Because some students found it offensive to bad! I would have been equally offended and revolted to here the other students who championed the prop measure. The point I’m trying to illustrate is simple. The other students were more than allowed to offend the sensibilities of Mr. Lopez, but how dare he offend them. It seems rather duplicitous for some to defend the legal process and champion the rights of the students and teacher, yet be so horribly shocked by the material and presentation that muckracker Mr. Lopez brought to the classroom. Give me a break!
CCD: Much obliged for the “Good will.”
You’re being punny; right?
“Nothing can possibly be conceived in the world, or even out of it, which can be called good, without qualification, except a good will.” – some guy
Gyges: “Would the Profs. motivation be a factor in this? What if he stopped the speech because it was disruptive to the class rather than based on his opposition to the student’s view point?”
Sure, if the restriction wasn’t content based, it’s an entirely different analysis; e.g. analyzing a law prohibiting the distribution of any pamphlets.
Jon Abbey: “I can party around this puppy for days”
Apparently you missed the point.
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40043
Prattle on.
Jon Abbey: “I have now realized, I am in a law web blog.”
Wow; nothing gets by you. And here I am wondering why it was “VOTED THE #1 LEGAL THEORY AND LAW PROFESSOR BLOG OF THE TOP 100 LEGAL BLOGS BY THE ABA JOURNAL”
Bob I can clearly see you feel threatened by my credentials and acumen in the field of geology and paleobotany, it is to be expected. Hopefully you can corral your bloated ego long enough to find value in other people’s knowledge and credentials. Instead you take it as a narcissistic injury the fact I shared my action today. Oh well, maybe a climb up Pike’s peak or a wonderful day spent at Florrisant Fossil Bed National Monument might be just the melody for you…….. It is a wonderful place to experience the Rockies and Colorado’s 14er’s and Flatirons.
Yes Bob, Esq.
Could I add your movie damn educational.
“Bob I can clearly see you feel threatened by my credentials and acumen in the field of geology and paleobotany, it is to be expected.”
Silly, I’m not threatened by the study rocks and old plants; now if you were an ethnobotanist, then we could talk about the time when, ‘using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants.’
“Hopefully you can corral your bloated ego long enough to find value in other people’s knowledge and credentials.”
You can’t restrain yourself from drifting off topic by spewing invectives laced with self-aggrandizing statements and I have a bloated ego? My you are insufferable.
“Instead you take it as a narcissistic injury the fact I shared my action today.”
I take it as a narcissistic injury? Are you Australian or do you prefer to toss words like you were making a salad?
“Oh well, maybe a climb up Pike’s peak or a wonderful day spent at Florrisant Fossil Bed National Monument might be just the melody for you……..”
Do you mean you have a treatment for my narcissistic injury?
“It is a wonderful place to experience the Rockies and Colorado’s 14er’s and Flatirons.”
Is that yet another pathetic non sequitor or do my narcissistic injury ridden eyes deceive me?
I stand corrected (by Google)
There is such a concept as ‘narcissistic injury.’
However, the observation falls with a flat ironic tone when it’s delivered in the second person with absolute conviction:
“Instead you take it as a narcissistic injury the fact I shared my action today.”
Makes ya wonder.
CCD: “Could I add your movie damn educational.”
Today’s film is a dime store psychology piece.
Jon,
You’ve made the assumption I think your worthy of trying to impress. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I’m pretty sure you have borderline personality disorder by the way your posts vacillate between fawning, attack and bouts of self love (in the bad sense), if not a more serious disorder. I don’t care about the opinions of the mentally defective.
No one here feels threatened by you and your supposed acumen because you haven’t demonstrated any. You have injured no one but yourself. You’re just too stupid or insane to realize it. You can’t even realize when you’re being laughed at, can you?
As far as the RCC goes, no, I don’t think much of the Catholic Church. Act like evil jackasses and that’s what you get. They get the respect their cumulative actions deserve. Which is none. If it’s any consolation, I like fundamentalism (of any flavor) even less.
As far as you finding my weakness, unless you’re a hot red head of the female variety, armed with really good beer and can suck start a Harley, you don’t have a chance of finding my weaknesses. Here’s a hint – ego ain’t it, sport. I can argue all day and all night and not let my ego get in the way. It’s called “training”. I’ve made other lawyers lose their cool. In court and in the classroom. Made then resort to the invective you are so fond of – a form of induced Turret’s. I’ve been attacked in here by much better than you and to a one they’ve either run away or come around. What I am good at is pushing people’s buttons, but with you, it’d be like picking on a child. Hardly sporting, but I could piss you off so bad you’d be foaming at the mouth. More than you already are that is. Ask any regular. They’ve seen me do it – it’s quite the show. That I haven’t already done this is the quality known as “mercy”. You think you’re a clever little reptile. You have no idea you’re dealing with a dragon. But that’s okay. The dragon knows.
And the last confrontational douche bag who tried to get to close to me got banned for acting like a predator. Keep it up. I have no power here. I can ban no one. I’m a guest. But what I do have is something you’ll never have.
Respect that was earned.
You think you sound smart, but in reality, you just sound crazy. While it’s not a crime to be an asshole, it say a lot about you that you think that’s a desirable trait. It also reinforces the BPD diagnosis.
Now just like I told the last whack job before JT banned him, I’m done feeding your psychosis.
Seek professional help. You need it.
Bob’s been trying to tell you that in his own very funny way. But some people just like being crazy. So do as you wish. Just don’t expect me to help.
Speaking of Florrisant, if you are interseted, it is the premier spot for most paleoentomolgists. It may have more perfectly preserved specimens of lepidptera than anywhere on earth. By the way the largest fossilized Redwood stump is to be found at Florrisant. Fascinating in that Redwoods have been extinct in Colorado since the Tertiary Period. I always am in awe when I stare into the polished window of a beautiful specimen of Araucarioxylon and wonder what types of creatures fed under it’s branches as it photosynthesized under an ancient sun…………
So glad to hear from the paragon of narcissism himself, the overly inflated and tragically misundersood one the Buddhaman himself. Hey Buddha it is friday, do you have any hot dates tonight, no I guess not. By the way Buddha you do display some very strong narcissictic personality traits, you may even border on the side of having a full blown personality disorder. This blog is fun though, I get to read the inane prattlings of extremely lonely men who want so desperately to be seen as intellectuals.
By the way Buddhaman I suggest that you refer to DSM4 TR, and look up the clinical defintion of BPD. I don’t want you to look any more foolish than you already have the last two days.
blah blah blah
Your fear of me is just palpable. And very amusing.
And as a matter of fact, I do have a date tonight. Thanks for the reminder.
By the way I like to stir the kettle with a whole bunch of goodies, I don’t want the braintrust here to get to complacent.
The only thing I fear in regards to you Buddhaman is that you are going to wind up in Patton State Hospital for the criminally insane…………
Buddhaman: By the way what was your academic pegigree again? And please try to keep your prevarications down to a minimum.
Buddhaman:The sign of a person with narcissistic personality disorder is there deluded belief that people fear them. Please refer to Cognitive Therapy of Personality Disorders, by Aaron T. Beck, second edition. Please refer to chapter 11 page 241, hopefully by reading this chapter you can better understand your own disordered need to feel superior by surrounding yourself with sycophants, that parasitize this website. My only question is what was the etiology that triggered this personality trait within you……………
Mike S:
I read your life summary with great interest and, without trying to embarrass you, I am even more impressed by your accomplishments and opinions than ever before–and I thought that feat was impossible. I respect your tenacity and self-reliance, and must also pay homage to your compassionate treatment of your adversaries. You have never stooped to invective, and that is decidedly uncommon in the blog-o-sphere. Count me in the fan club, and tell me where to send the application!
I concur with Mespo and would like to know how to subscribe to the newsletter.
And I’m already a confessed follower of Mike S. He’s a man of great character, wisdom and clarity of thought.
I’ll bet a dollar we just made him blush too. He’s humble as all get out, as they say in the South.
Bob,Esq:
If this thing evolves into bobble-head dolls, I ‘m out!!
rofl
Friends don’t let friends be bobble heads.
Mespo,
Think bigger: trading cards
Dosn’t anybody from the peanut gallery want to weigh in? The seething hubris must be just about ready to POP!
The girly man love-in has begun!
Well I call it respect for perseverance, but you can project anything you like.
Jon Abbey:
is that a fake name?(I cant spell the other word) the cadence of your writting reminds me of someone from the movies and I cant place my finger on it. Also you appear to have had to much cold medicine or booze. what comes to mind is maybe Jon Hurt, I just cant place it but would know it. English probably (thus Bobesq thinking you were Australian).
And it also appears that you are writing from a script, either that or you have an excellent command of the english language.
Very strange.
Buddhaman: One last piece of advice, don’t ever go into a court of law or a deposition and rap off at the head about the field of behavioral science or mental health and make some half assed attempt at a diagnosis you are not qualified to make. All the smoke and horseshit you sling will then be thoroughly exposed…………
By the way Buddhaman ambulance chasers come a dime a dozen. If you are one and I did say if, you are pretty lame because the crafty professional lawyers I know don’t have to jerk themselves off on the internet to remind themselves they have a few brain cells to work with.
(the sound of crickets)
Thank you Bron, I must have good command of the english language, no script here.
A gift, enjoy.
Buddha what are you doing on the internet, I thought you had a date. You two have fun tonight and get that girl home at a respectable hour. It’s so rare to have propriety in dating these days.
Well guys I gotta split my wife is coming in the door and we need to get ready for supper out. Tonight I am feeling generous prime rib and cream corn with the real horseradish. YUM!
jONAbbey:
I know who you are, its right at the tip of my mind. Just tell me and put me out of my misery.
if you are who I think you are, then I have changed my opinion of you not that you would care but I wont be going to anymore of your movies. Not that you have had one for awhile but I digress.
Enjoy “supper”. I am sure that Seamus would agree that the English are such pompous nitwits.
No Bron you do not know me nor I you. We only exist in cyberspace. When the computer is turned off I go back to my wife and my career and my life. This two day exercise for me on the internet blog was a mini-diversion, nothing more. I do wish you well though in all of your future endeavors, whatever they may be.
Speaking of change, CCD – ‘Yes, we can…’
Surely, you guys must know, by now, this is Bartlebee/Cromagnum Man/Waynebro/Gaylord Focker/Bron98 a/k/a Jon Abbey at work.. (sigh)
PattyC:
please I am not all of those people. only me.
there is surley more than one conservative that comes on this blog. If you want I can sign in as all of them and have a continuous thread for you to read one after the other.
Mespo:
If i signed in under all those names and wrote as different people would that be considered a monolog?
Patty
Patty,
Absolutely. His instant hard on for me is a dead give away as is his style. That’s why he got the short brush off instead of the hammering I have administered in the past.
But I do ask you this . . . please remove Bron’s name from that list. He turned out to be a different creature although the way he first entered the forum, eh, I can see where you got that and for a time I thought he was one and the same as well. Yeah, Bron came on too strong initially (and he got burned in the process), but he’s since made amends, plays nice and has even been valuable in moving the conversation in several threads. Bron was just initially a little angry and misguided, too much GOP anti-liberal propaganda in his diet and not enough actual liberals to talk to. All in all, he’s shown himself to be not only sane but not a bad fellow now that he’s taken the red pill. I’d buy him a beer. Besides, I rather like having another conservative besides FFLEO as a regular. It provides more contrast and as a scientist you know the value of contrast.
Someone like this one would sooner eat their own hand before apologizing like Bron did. Their ego impairment wouldn’t allow it most likely. He’s not Wayne like Jon is Wayne (which is indeed literally). That anger is a horse of a different color. This is a nice summary of the symptoms, http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/ Check it out (if you aren’t already versed) and I think you’ll see I’m not off base. Look at this thread alone and you see many of the behaviors. The diagnosis would need fine tuning based on IRL observation and testing, but the behavior is consistent. In all his incarnations, his BPD shines through like a spotlight. It also explains why he finds ultra-stable personalities like many here to be such a personal threat. He isn’t one. It’s also unlikely that this is his only mental health issue, but this is the one I suspect is in the driver’s seat. Any other neurosis or psychosis is just along for the ride. Wayne-CCM-Jon is dangerously unstable. Likely a danger to himself and others. IRL he would not be a person to turn your back on. He’d be the kind of person you watch like a rabid dog or a ticking bomb.
But he’s not Bron.
And Patty?
I made that fig and Gorgonzola pizza for my date tonight. It was such a hit she’s dozing on the couch right now, victim of a full belly (and a rough day, poor gal). Thanks! It was awesome.
To my budding fan club,
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bron8:
“Mespo:
“If i signed in under all those names and wrote as different people would that be considered a monolog?”
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More like a dialog with Rich Little,or an evening with Shirley Ardell Mason.
Buddha:
“I made that fig and Gorgonzola pizza for my date tonight. It was such a hit she’s dozing on the couch right now, victim of a full belly (and a rough day, poor gal).”
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I ‘ve got friends coming over tonight and I’m making that again. It’s scrumptious. That Garden Summer Soup recipe is incredible too. I need to freeze more.
Buddhaman: The reason I picked on you is beacause you have the biggest mouth and the biggest ego. When you are challenged you accuse others of being insane and having BPD, how convenient. I have met few people with as much malignant self love as you. You refer to yourself as a dragon, one who is feared and respected. I beleive your narcissism is an overcompensation for feelings of inadequacy and you probably have very low self esteem. I challenge you to refer to DSM IV TR, the chapters on Personality Disorders. Anyone must be insane to challenge you, after all you are the DRAGON, do you kinda see my point. Please refer to page 690 Cluster A Personality Disoreders. This coincides with your aobvious narcissistic personality traits. Hopefully that was helpful.
Wow. Talk about being full of shit.
Buddha,
Anyone with a copy of the DSM IV who is not a practitioner in the therapeutic community, must be someone in need of therapy badly. The problem is the book is created by the APA for use by professionals interacting, as a sort of shorthand for describing psychological disorders. As a diagnostic tool, when used by untrained people, its’ use can and is dangerous to their mental health.
Mike( the unemployed one) I have a copy of this diagnostic tool, because I work as a consultant in the health care field. You probably can’t relate to that as you flunked out of law school and have been chained to your computer for years.
Mike,
As usual, you are so very right.
Consultant.
Well, that about sums it up.
Those who can’t do, consult.
By the way Mike, do you wear diapers or use a bedpan?
Hey Buddha, the closest you will ever get to a courtroom is when you watch reruns of Judge Wapner. Rave on……………
Keep on self-destructing.
It’s what you’re best at.
From what I can tell, it’s the only thing you have the skills to do, Wayne.
Those who can consult, are consultants, those who can’t,stay at home all week and play on the computer………….
It’s called “wireless” and “Blackberry”.
I’m not at home right now, genius. I’m at Home Depot waiting for them to load my truck.
You’re not only nuts, you’re a Luddite.
Thanks for continuing to foam at the mouth. I didn’t even have to poke you this time. You’re doing it all on your own.
You are only further proving the point that you need to seek professional psychiatric help, Wayne.
Might I suggest in-patient?
Mike mentioned in one of his earlier blogs that he had a background in mental health, I have no doubt. He was probably receiving psychotherapy for years, sadly to no avail……..
That’s right Buddhaman we’re all nuts. It stands to reason, anybody who has the flagrant audacity to challege your maladaptive narcissism, must be nuts………….
Jonnyboy
“I have a copy of this diagnostic tool, because I work as a consultant in the health care field.”
Liar, liar, pants on fire. I needed to respond by bringing the discourse down to your level. I hope that wasn’t to advanced. If it was then how about: Mommmy, Mommy, the baby’s fibbing.
I love picking on you Buddhaman, it does more for me than a week in Hilo…………….
That assumes two things. That 1) you’re a challenge or a threat to me in any way and 2) that you have any idea what you’re talking about. Your own actions have proven otherwise, Wayne.
Seek professional help.
And quit self-diagnosing with that DSM. It’s not helping you to use a tool you don’t understand.
I’m off to build a new dog run. You enjoy your downward spiral.
Get professional help Buddha, hopefully with a Gestalt Therapist. They seem to have the most success with narcissist’s like yourself who have delusional ideation maifested by feelings of superiority. I will amend my earlier blogs, I also think you suffer from Paranoid Personality Disorder. If it is not a full blown disorder, than you have very strong and maladaptive traits………….
Jonnyboy,
Fess up. You’re a junior in Wichita High School and the farthest west you’ve been is Garden City. The farthest east of course has been Kansas City. While you have your learner’s permit your Dad doesn’t think you’re ready for the driving test. You’re also sure you’d have a girlfriend if only you lost 30 pounds and the damned zits would go away. You did get a B+ in Earth Science though. Having no friends there was little else to do than study and do homework. You use the family PC a lot though for masturbation both physical and mental.
Sadly Buddha I will eventually wary of picking on you. It is to easy and not very sporting…………..
mespo and Buddha,
Delighted you enjoyed the Figs Table Prosciutto and Fig pizzas with gorgonzola. JT thought fig jam sounded ‘crazy’ for pizza, so I’m happy to have your testimonials. It IS different and one of my all-time gourmet favs.
mespo, pizza nights at my house are a often a casual communal hang around the kitchen/cook/eat/and drink wine affair – depending on how many people and how many pizzas. It’s fun! Aprons for everyone!
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Pizza Dough: Makes Four, 8″ – 10″ pizzas (each serves 1-2 persons)
1/4 cup whole-wheat flour
3 1/2 cups *all-purpose flour, plus add’l for rolling (*unbleached)
2 teaspoons (1/4 ounce) fresh yeast
2 teaspoons kosher salt
2 teaspoons sugar
2 teaspoons olive oil
1 2/3 cups lukewarm water
Place the whole-wheat flour, all-purpose flour yeast, salt and sugar in a mixer fitted with a dough hood. While the mixer is running, gradually add the oil and water, Knead on low speed un til the dough is firm and smooth, about 10 minutes. Divide the dough into four balls, about 7 1/2 ounces each. Line two cookie sheets with parchment paper. Place two balls on a sheet and cover with a damp towel. Let them rise in a warm spot until they have doubed in bulk about 2 hours.
To roll out the dough: Dab your fingers in flour and place one ball on a generously floured work surface and press down in the center with the tips of your fingers, spreading the dough with your hand. when the dough has doubled in width, use a floured rolling pin and roll out until it is very thin, link a flat bread. The outer border should be a little thicker than the inner circle. Pick the dough up with a spatula or the back of a knife, allowing to fold almost like an umbrella and transfer it to a paddle. Do not worry that the pizza is not round, you are looking for an 8-10 inch shape, a cross between and oval and a rectangle. If your get a hole, simply pinch the edges back together. Repeat with the remaining balls and proceed with any of the following recipes…
Basic Tomato Sauce:
1 Tablespoon olive oil or vegetable oil
2-3 garlic cloves, minced
1/2 cup red wine
1 tablespoon dried Greek oregano
One 28-ounce can diced tomatoes
One 28-ounce can whole tomatoes in juice
1 cup chicken broth or water
2 1/2 tablespoons fresh basil leaves, coarsely chopped
1/2 – 2 teaspoons kosher salt
1/2 teaspoons black pepper
Place a large sauce pan over medium heat and, when if it hot, add the oil. Add the garlic and cook until lightly toasted, about two to 3 minutes. Add the wine to deglaze the pan and cook until reduced by about a third, about 5 minutes.
Add the oregano, tomatoes, and chicken broth and cook, stirring occasionally, for 5 minutes. Lower the heat to Low and cook until the mixture starts to come together as a sauce, about 45 minutes. Add the basil, salt, and pepper.
Serve immediately, or cover and refrigerate up to three days.
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Caramelized Onions:
1 1/2 tablespoons unsalted butter
1/4 vegetable or canola oil
3 pounds Spanish onions, thinly sliced
Place a large skillet over medium heat and when it is hot, add the butter and oil. Add the onions and stir. It is important to let hthe onions sweat before the sugar starts to caramelize. Cook until perfectly brown (not light but not too dark) about 40 minutes.
Use immediately, or cover and refrigerate up to two (2) days.
Patty C:
Pizzas were the big hit. I even tried a Chipotle one with corn salsa as a topping. Not as good as yours but approaching perfection. This recipe’s from California Pizza Kitchen:
• Anaheim chiles (2)
• Chipotle sauce – bottled (6 tablespoons)
• Grilled Garlic Chicken – page 22 of CPK Family Cookbook (2 breasts, cut into ½-inch cubes)
• Traditional or Honey-Wheat Pizza Dough – page 14, 17 of CPK Family Cookbook (1 pound)
• Mozzarella cheese (4 ounces, grated (or 1 1/ 3 cups))
• Anejo enchilada cheese, shredded (2½ ounces (or 1 cup))
• Lime Cream Sauce – recipe follows (6 tablespoons)
• Cilantro leaves (2 teaspoons finely chopped)
• Chipotle Salsa – recipe follows (1 cup)
SPECIAL EQUIPMENT: 16-inch pizza stone, wooden pizza peel, squeeze bottle or syrup dispenser
PREPARATION
1. Place a seasoned (or oiled) pizza stone in the middle of your oven and preheat to 450 degrees for at least 30 minutes.
2. Cook the chiles over an open flame until the skin is black and blistered. (This can also be done in a very hot, ungreased cast iron pan.) Put the chiles in a small bowl and cover with plastic wrap. Let cook for 10 minutes, then rub the charred skin off with paper towels (do not use water). Remove the stems and seeds, and cut the chiles lengthwise into ¼-inch strips.
3. Toss the chipotle sauce with the chicken pieces in a bowl until coated.
4. Roll and shape the dough into one 13-inch or two 9-inch circles and place on a floured pizza peel. If you are more comfortable working with one piece of dough at a time, you can shape and dress the second piece wile the first is in the oven. If making 2 pizzas, split all the topping ingredients in half.
5. Set aside 1/3 cup of the mozzarella and sprinkle the rest to within ½ inch of the edge of the dough.
6. Distribute the chicken over the mozzarella, cover that with the chile strips, then top with enchilado cheese. Sprinkle the remaining mozzarella over the entire pizza.
7. Transfer the pizza to the oven and bake for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the cheese at the center is melted and bubbly. Slice.
8. Drizzle the Lime Cream Sauce over the pizza and sprinkle with the cilantro. Serve with a mound of Chipotle Salsa in the middle of the pizza.
Lime Cream Sauce
Makes about 2/3 cup
SHOPPING/PANTRY/REFRIGERATOR LIST
• Cilantro leaves (1 teaspoon finely chopped)
• Shallot (1½ teaspoons finely minced)
• Mayonnaise (1/4 cup)
• Sour cream (1/4 cup)
• Lime juice (2 teaspoons)
• Sugar (1½ teaspoons)
• Kosher salt (Pinch)
PREPARATION: Place all of the ingredients in a blender or small food processor and blend until smooth. Use immediately, or cover and refrigerate for up to 3 days. Stir well before using.
Chipotle Salsa
Makes 1 cup
SHOPPING/PANTRY/REFRIGERATOR LIST
• Frozen corn kernels (¼ cup thawed)
• Cooked black beans (¼ cup, drained and rinsed)
• Tomato salsa (½ cup)
• Chipotle sauce (2 teaspoons)
PREPARATION:
1. Heat a heavy frying pan over high heat. Place the corn kernels in the pan and roast them for about 10 minutes, stirring often.
2. Place the corn in a mixing bowl and add the remaining ingredients. Mix well. Use immediately, or cool, cover and refrigerate for up to 3 days.
California Pizza Kitchen
mespo,
Here’s to another successful culinary adventure!
‘Solomente la majeure siempre’
- ‘The best always’…
It looks like jon Abby smoked Budda pretty good. Chicken came home to roost huh Budda.
Sandman/Jon Abbey:
I believe that Buddha/MikeS and the rest were having just as much fun doing what they call troll baiting.
JonAbbey:
you need to get a little more creative, the shrink stuff is rather limp and tiring. Please try someother tack. It is rather hard to do diagnosis over the internet, because people can pretty much write what they want due to the anonymity (as an engineer, I cant believe I spelled that right the first time).
For example based on your posts, I would call you immature and effeminate. I would also based on those observations predict that your wife is probably very pretty but an airhead, someone you can manipulate and control. The type of person that would not know that 8 cm is not 12″ (if you get my drift).
Also I thought you were a paleobotanist and a geologist how can you also be a healthcare consultant? Another example of delusions of grandeur or just a bad liar? the next post will have you with a PhD in bioblogy and a JD.
But I am probably wrong on all accounts because you were just having fun. Dosent work very well does it?
Inconceivable!
That word . . . smoked . . . I do not think it means what you think it means.
But if you meant it in the crudest vernacular form, yeah, I got smoked all right.
I havent heard smoked used in that way in a very long time.
So JonAbbey smoked the Buddha’s root … chakra?
Bron, you need to stop cruising those gay bars with Buddhaman in West Hollywood, you’re starting to sound just like him…….
That’s why using the DSM on yourself is such a bad idea. It’s the same reason that a lawyer is representing a fool when he has himself as a client – proximity causes blindness. Here’s a hint – psychiatrists don’t self-treat either unless they’re a hack (or a “consultant”). The only person continually exhibiting sexual frustration/confusion is you – in almost every post. Or you could just go kiss a boy and get it over with, Wayne. You’re not fooling anyone here despite how well you may be fooling yourself. Quite frankly your rabid homophobia is as tiring as your related self-loathing is amusing. Ever wonder why you’re so angry all the time? It’s really going to hinder you getting that first date too.
Good luck with that. And by “that” I mean “first date” with anyone sessile and three dimensional.
Once again, your tragic presentaion of narcissistic personality disorder, is prominently on display for all to sicken at. Of course I’m a hack consultant, I must remember you are “feared” respected and most of all a “dragon”……… Buddhaman, you need to pull yourself away from watching Judge Judy in the afternoon, when responsible adults are working, and contributing to the great infrastructure of our society, and go out and find some meaningful employment. Even with your limited skill set and vocational aptitude, you should be adroit enough to work in a service job, you know, parking cars or maybe flipping burgers at the local drive-thru.
blah blah blah
Go see a doctor, sport.
May we close this thread? JT asked for assistance in keeping the posts true to the spirit of this blog.
Please do.
JonAbbey:
I dont cruise gay bars, I went once in college with a gay friend and while not one to be critical of anothers choice in partner, I found it not my cup of tea.
Very interesting that that would be your first line of defence for a comment about smoking a root chakra, which if I remeber correctly is an energy location on the body. When one smokes a chakra they use heat to stimulate it to balance energy flows throughout the body. Very interesting indeed.
Jill,
your suggestion is a good one, but containment is also nice, if you catch my drift.
I love picking on you Buddhaman, it gives me a barrels worth of entertainment………..
JonAbbey:
what do you think about cats as objectivists? This is a very interesting and complex subject brought up by one of my “professors”. On the one hand I would say he was right but on the other I would be inclined to argue that cats qua cats are not able to experience reality sufficiently to determine whether they are or are not objectivists. Your thoughts?
Thanks Jill,
Definite low risk, long term fade.
CCD:
Really groovin’ the avatar. Make it spin!
Oh, *that’s* what CCD’s avatar is!
I thought it was a partially used/dissolved jaw breaker candy…
JK, Cook County Democrat, JK…
Thanks mespo.
Thanks FFLEO.
Hey CCD,
Notice, I do not have an avatar. Also, I thought I could help interrupt Mr. JA’s “train of thought” through distraction.
Take care…
FFLeo:
I see a Chief Wiggum avatar in your future.
http://www.citynerd.com/simpsons/chief.gif
Mike S.
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
And stop reading my mind, you Hebrew mystic you.
FFLEO & mespo,
Wiggum! Pure genius in icon selection that.
Mespo,
Thanks for that belly laugh! The problem is, I am not half as handsome as the Chief is and I would not want to be so pretentious by displaying that avatar of the perfect specimen of an LEO. (That will ‘learn’ me not to critique avatars here, even in jest!) BTW, your, CCD’s and Buddha’s avatars are pure perfection!
FFLEO,
Thanks! I’m glad the color correction achieved the desired “jadey-ness”.
FFLeo:
Just between us here, I was torn between Cicero and my favorite Simpson character, Barney–burrrrup!!
http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/9/B/barney.jpg
Bron, Hickory and pecan (genus Carya) are ring porous woods with banded parenchyma cells in long straight, somewhat continuous tangential lines. In combination with the thin rays, the thin rays these bands of parenchyma form a net like or web like pattern. Earlywood pores are large in an intermittent row along the growth boundary. Latewood pores are few and solitary or in radial multiples of two to several. No parenchyma cells exist in the earlywood of Hickory, whereas parenchyma cells are present in the early wood of pecan. Hickory earlywood is one pore wide with an abrupt shift to latewood. Pecan displays a gradual decrease on pore size fromlarge earlywood poresand could therefore be grouped with semi-ring porous woods.Other ring porous woods include ash,black and honey locust,Osage orange, red mulberry and sassafras. Based on the information provided, do you feel the porous woods would decrease gradually in size from large to significantly smaller, with no clear differentiation between earlywood and latewood with no abrupt change in size?
Bron, do you realize that of the billions of trees ever to have photosynthesized under the sun only a minute fraction were placed in the circumstances to fossilize and only a small fraction of those survived. It is no wonder that understanding the processes of their creation leads to a greater respect and admiration for these beautiful specimens. Which of the billions of trees today, will become such gems? As much as I love the beauty and myriad diversity of the fossilized gymnosperms my appreciation has continued to grow for the equally fascinating angiosperms, especially those trees of the genus Palmoxylon.
JonAbbey:
you are an arboreal rocker!
personally I like Southern Yellow Pine #2 for its strength characteristics. Although the compression stress perp. to the grain is not very good. Probably due to faster growth. Although it does have a very high modulous (relative to other wood species) and so deflection characteristics are very good.
I would be interested, on a cellular level, to know why this is so? is it due to the cellular size, shape or something else?
FFLEO & mespo,
If were talking Simpson’s, that’s a tough call, but I might have chosen Professor John Frink.
http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/wallpapers/professor-frink.htm
“Ha ha wha. Oh, sorry I’m late. There was trouble at the lab with the running and the exploding and the crying when the monkeys stole the glasses off my head. Wh-ha ha.
(Fade to black)
Oh, no, please no. I have a funny story if you listen. I even wrote theme music, here listen. Ha ha, mm-m hey hey, Professor Frink, Professor Frink, He’ll make you laugh, he’ll make you think, He likes to run, and then the thing, with the… mm-m person…
Oh boy, that monkey is going to pay.”
I believe I lead a charmed life. This wonderful cyber classroom honestly elevates me. Please allow me to elaborate.
The Alderfella in my Ward is running for the 5th Congressional seat vacated by Rahm Emmanuel. I attended a meeting last night at the Ward offices. The meeting was scheduled for 8:00P.M. Fellow Turleys please permit me great latitude with this piece. And all self deprecation is a painful attempt at humor.
As a rule I’m a full blown wing nut when it comes to being on time. There is on time then there is Vince Lombardi time which is a minimum of 15 minutes early. I chose to be late to the Scheduled Ward meeting because class was in session here. This classroom is like no other, it’s as addictive as crack! Thanks to JT and you, (no lists). The time stamp on the reply indicates I’m sitting at this computer with my hat and coat on until 8:13 P.M. I should have walked out the door forty minutes earlier!
Walking to the Ward offices, two blocks over two blocks down, I have Bob, Esq.’s voice in my head. My god is that even possible, I’ve never heard the man speak! It’s got sort of a western drawl to it, (maybe from the William Munny quote?) It has a gravity to it that says when I hear this voice I’d better listen up. What’s running thru my minuscule mind are the words to the effect, you can have left wing authoritarianism but it’s much like herding cats! CCD as FFLEO correctly states stands for “Cook County Democrat.” It should be Cook County Democat! And I’m speed walking to a meeting to be herded! The issue is do I want to be herded? There is a definite pattern, my great grandfather was born here in 1871, the year they nearly burned the town completely down. ALL MY RELATIONS ARE DEMOCATS. I’ve attended enough of these Ward strategy sessions to bring along the checkbook. All politics are local per Tip O’Neil, that’s sure is the truth.
Walking thru the outer building door I instantly pickup the voice of my Alderfella speaking. Entering the room thru the second doorway and sit in the last row. In a way I’m telegraphing my actions, late & last row. Indeed my life is blessed but it’s been fashioned in a most parochial way. Removing hat and coat, I catch the eye of Dave. He is the right hand man for the Alderfella. He runs this office, he organized this meeting. Dave coached me in grammar school. His son and I went thru grammar and high school together. Dave slowly points to his wrist watch and drops his chin. I acknowledge with a slight nod. So much can be conveyed through non verbal communication. Writing for me is agony; I can’t begin to imagine what your feeling reading this, if you’ve gotten this far.
Alderfella is wrapping it up. I do have admiration for him. He has managed the neighborhood well. But the Cha-Ching moment is upon us. He looks and says thank you for your support and your vote you’re very special to me. AAAAAAHHHHHHH that put me over. I was at the edge but that put me over. Even Democats can be herded, if they need to be. Meeting breaks up Dave finds me; he has a BMI of about 55. That’s an embellishment but he is an enormous person, who I also respect. He shakes my hand and his left hand finds its way to my shoulder, I am now in the grasp. I’ve been here before, the perpetual coffee breathe doesn’t bother me. This is a little different though. I’d already made up my mind that the usual is broken. Can you give? He asks.
I’ve had Japanese customers in the past. They would never say NO, they would slide off answering, never verbalizing NO. Want to golf on Saturday? Let me see, or maybe so. If they answered in the affirmative I knew right then and there what my position was. I sure as hell couldn’t say “maybe so” to Dave while I’m in the grasp. That could lead to an extended grasp, which was to be avoided at all costs. This was going to be tough, and he wasn’t making it any easier.
Some of you have revealed that you grew up on Long Island, worked in the city, and then migrated to South Florida. Or grew up in Louisiana, did your time in the Dallas area then relocated. Seamus readily admits to living in Chicago (probably a suburb) but he’ll tell you he’s not from here!
I’ve lived in this Ward all my life. JT claims he grew up here (would need to see a certificate of live birth). And he definitely would be an excellent fit for the Top Democatic job of the nation, Mayor of Chicago…
Yes in the grasp, needing desperately to avoid the extended grasp. My reply to Dave was a mumbled, I’ll think about it. Released the right hand shake, pivoting out from under the left hand on the shoulder. Dave’s exaggerated facial expression gives him away. Part hurt kind of disbelief. Okay, he says. I turn my head and softly say bad year. Oh okay Dave says, acknowledging my words with a head shake. On go the hat and coat, and out into the winter night.
This is my tribe. I’ve cultivated relationships with a lot of the people in that room. Walking home, I can still feel the charge from the words ‘bad year’. Jeeezzz I go literally months and years without having to fabricate. I balance it with maybe we wouldn’t have had to endure Governors Ryan who is currently serving time in prison. Or indicted and impeached Blagojevich. Since 1972 there have been 27 convicted Chicago Alderman. The latest has been convicted and surrenders in May to begin serving her federal vacation. Hey I’m waking up. And I sincerely have each you to thank for contributing to my development. BIL, included the Will Bunch link. I bought his book, “Tear Down This Myth.” Assigned class reading, I can’t wait!
If you’ve read this far wake yourself up and give yourself a pat on the back. My first choice for an Avatar was this:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic8.htm
But I didn’t want to offend the Newman’s only son.
Earth is a beautiful place, especially connecting here with you.
And this newly minted Democat is now subscribing to Epicurean (had to look that up) thanks to Gyges Beagle.
CCD:
good read/story. Republicans suck and democrats suck oh there are a few good ones on each side of the aisle but for the most part they are pompous arrogant prix who take our money and our freedoms to use for their own devices and leave us with crumbs.
CCD,
Thanks for the story!
CCD,
That was interesting and I’m glad you post here.
CCD,
Great story.
BTW the hound’s only an Epicurean because straight Hedonism is too much work for him.
Reading the liberal offal on this website is enough to make a grown conservative cry, and then puke!
Mr.Lockwood,
Glad to be of service. Remember though you need to wash the vomit off, or you will smell worse than you normally do.
Mr. Lockwood:
if you are a good conservative stick around and learn something I have. These guys may not be exactly freemarket but they do like individual freedom.
Mr. Lockwood,
One lives to be of service.
Here, take the red pill, we have plenty. It won’t be easy, but it will be true.
Get some kids to help you with the reference.
Lockwood:
I took 2 they actually make you a better conservative, dont be afraid.
And anyway I wouldnt exactly call these guys liberals in the common parlance of the term. they are classical liberals on individual rights and they are not opposed to capitalism, they just dont think big corporations are any good (for that matter I dont think Jefferson did either). there are a few other issues to, if you are an evangelical Christian I would leave now and not come back you will end up an agnostic at best, maybe a deist if you are lucky.
Bron, are you still fetching the slippers and changing the bedpans for Mike and Buddhaman. Hey, in this economy, for you, it’s a job son, just don’t screw it up or you will be on welfare like your two buddies……..
http://dmh.lacounty.gov/
JonAbbey:
I dont need to change Buddha’s or Mike’s bedpans or fetch their slippers they are perfectly able to do that themselves.
Why dont we try somehting just for fun, why dont you comment on one of the more recent posts from your perspective without any invective just a cogent argument from our side of the aisle, I am assuming you are a conservative. And see what happens. They may not agree with you but they will respond to your argument with their own and you will learn something in the process. I wish more conservatives would get on this website and do that. Not in some insane way but cogently and politely.
At the end of the day they will be better able to understand their own arguments and express them more intelligently.
heres to learning
Mrs. Abbey can little Jon come out to play?
Hopefully in the week or so since I have been away from this blog site some positive things have transpired. My continued hope is that Buddhaman gets himself in psychotherapy for his delusional belief that he is a dragon,that is feared……. This pathetic child was probably brutally picked on during his adolescence and now finds security and stength through the anonymity of this inane internet site. Very little concerning law or it’s interpretation is evident in what you wannabees write. All you do is pathetically slap each other on the back as you revel in some imaginary intelligene and status you never had. Buddhaman you need to go to Bora Bora for a week, preferably with a female(not Bron or Mike) and scuba dive and climb this islands tallest peak. Look down at the majesty and scope of the awesome Pacific and realize your place in the order of things…………….
I like to hack on you Buddhaman. I think it’s good for your humility, or lack thereof…………
,
http://dmh.lacounty.gov/
I can only assume Buddhaman that you are very familiar with this website. You invariably have had recourse to use it (probably recently) when you needed to refill your prescription of psychotropic meds. I commend you for using this agency as a resource. hopefully the practitioner you see is thoughtful and patient when handling you………….
This kid sounds too stupid to earn a degree anyway, so getting rid of him is really just doing everyone else a favor.
JonAbbey:
you been at Tora Bora? What are you Osama’s hand maiden?
Prop 8 is the greatest! Long live the breeders. Those who don’t like Prop 8 should move to Bangkok the Netherlands or the Castro District to indulge in this perversion!
anyone know what is going on with this? I’ve searched the net and don’t see any updates. THANK YOU
Bron, I also hope that you to can learn from others who don’t quite share your value system, or liberal bent. Unfortunately, you are not intellectually honest enough, or humble enough to realize that others who think differently and perceive the world differently then you or your fellow-bloggers might have something intelligent and noteworthy to share. I sadly feel you are mightily impressed by the buffoons on this blog and are desperatley in need of there validation. Oh well, I guess we all need someone or something to champion, and you have your TIN GODS in Buddhaman and Mike S. You claim that I spew invectives, you and your cronies spew as much invective with your own brand of acid tongue, so please spare me the “Why don’t you just listen and learn”, mumbo jumbo. Remember Bron the most elusive of all virtues is humility, because just when you think you are humble you are proud again……………
“I was ridiculed by the liberal professor, if you can call her that. In fact, she incited an American Indian student in class to get rightous with me. I chose not to beat the monkey crap out of this pathetic excuse for an indigenous person, but rather calmly diffused the escalating situation by exiting the calssroom prudently”
Is little jonny back once more? The quote above from his initial post not only is unbelievable, as is his story about attending the school, but evokes the picture of a physical coward who ran away rather than stand up to imagined bullying.
When I and others pointed out he was lying and also his thinly disguised bigotry, he then got into the”tough guy” mode casting aspersions on peoples masculinity. Doing that in this context was not only juvenile, but a indication of his essential stupidity. To put it another way Jon Abbeys debating style is:
1. Lie profusely.
2. When caught insult with stuff that would be too immature
for a ten year old.
3. Waste everyone’s time with inanity
Keep it up jonny and someday you might even be grown up enough for you to allow yourself to be called a dittohead.
However, at this point I think even that group of cretins would be embarrassed by you. Perhaps though I’m giving them too much credit.
So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.
I don’t know, I have a strong feeling that the student gave the speech to challenge the professor (who, I think, is gay?) and simply piss him off. It’s like you find out your professor is Muslim and give a speech bashing Muslims. And according to the comment the speech assignment was supposed to be informative. This by no means falls under the format of an informative speech.
Jon Abbey 1, March 9, 2009 at 11:59 am
So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.
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Aren’t we all misfit? I still like Rudolph, do you? You know they have a home for you on the isle of ______________?