Oklahoma Legislature to Consider Proclamation Linking the Economic Crisis to Obama’s Immoral Policies

about_1Recently, Rush Limbaugh explained how Obama economic policies were the cause of Republican Gov. Mark Sanford’s affair with a beautiful Argentinian woman. But what caused the economic problems that caused the stimulus package that aroused Gov. Sanford? Oklahoma Rep. Sally Kern has finally answered that question: our sins. Kern has drafted a resolution that puts the current economic crisis squarely on the backs of libertines and godless people who have produced a moral crisis. This includes Obama’s refusal to “uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in recognition of our National Day of Prayer.”


You may recall Kern from his viral video ranting about gays, here. Now, she has gone macro economic in showing how free sex can destroy the free market. It is like the lost chapter of Adam Smith’s An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. Of course, one must remember that, like his successor Kern, Smith held forth on both moral and economic theories with his publication The Theory of Moral Sentiments. 200px-AdamSmith [Richard Posner’s Economics and Reason doesn’t count and proved far less exciting than its title].

In the resolution below, Kern’s resolution declares in pertinent part:

WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and
WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion,
pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and
WHEREAS, alarmed that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built; and
WHEREAS, grieved that the Office of the president of these United States has refused to uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in giving recognition to our National Day of Prayer; and
WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;

It appears that divorce is “a form of debauchery.” It is a bit harder to explain the cause and effect between the Giuliani divorces, which appear to occur regularly in good or bad economic times.

Of course, one has to ignore that fact that the crisis began under President George Bush who was a favorite of the religious right. Obviously, there was a bit of anticipatory economic damnation. Ironically, in a recent article in the Washington Post, it was disclosed how both Sen. Jon Ensign and Sanford frequented a little known house on Capitol Hill dedicated to prayer and specifically the National Prayer Day.

The main concern is how the continuing economic crisis will unravel other GOP leaders and push them into the arms of temptation. What is the danger for innocent bystanders or pets if the bond market continues to decline? Indeed, if Obama knew of this link between free sex and the free market, this may have been the plan all along. Knowing that Republicans become sexually and immorally active during economic downturns, Obama and his minions may have triggered the economic crisis to shutdown the GOP. Such leaders may be adapting the very same love/suicide pattern as the praying mantis.

Kern’s website proclaims that she is not simply conservative but Kernservative.” Clever. repsallykern The website notes that

After her first session in office, Sally was voted “Outstanding Lawmaker of the Year 2005” by the Oklahoma Conservative Political Action Committee (OCPAC) for her conservative voting record. OCPAC also voted Sally “Runner Up Lawmaker of the Year 2005.” In April of 2008, Sally was honored as the first ever recipient of the Family Research Council’s (FCR) “Champion of Faith, Family, and Freedom Award.” OCPAC has again voted Sally “Runner Up Lawmaker of the Year 2008.”

So let’s recap the current state of analysis. President Obama triggered the economic crisis (which began in anticipation of his election under President Bush) which prompted Congress to pass the stimulus legislation that caused Sanford to fly to Argentina to sleep with a woman other than his wife.

OKLAHOMA CITIZEN’S PROCLAMATION FOR MORALITY

We the People of Oklahoma, Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessing of Liberty; to secure just and rightful Government; to promote our mutual Welfare and Happiness, do establish this proclamation and call upon the people of the great State of Oklahoma, and our fellow Patriots in these United States of America who look to the Lord for guidance, to acknowledge the need for a national awakening of righteousness in our land.

WHEREAS, “It is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by Religion and Morality” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government…but upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God” (James Madison); and

WHEREAS, “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God (Benjamin Franklin); and

WHEREAS, “God who gave us life gave us liberty and can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God” (Thomas Jefferson); and

WHEREAS, “Whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of Religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state” (Joseph Story); and

WHEREAS, “We hold sacred the rights of conscience, and promise to the people…the free and undisturbed exercise of their religion” (Roger Sherman); and

WHEREAS, “This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians” (Patrick Henry); and

WHEREAS, “When you…exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed upon your mind that God commands you to choose just men who will rule in the fear of God” (Noah Webster); and

WHEREAS, “The principles of genuine Liberty and of wise laws and administrations are to be drawn from the Bible” (Noah Webster); and

WHEREAS, the people of Oklahoma have a strong tradition of reliance upon the Creator of the Universe; and

WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and

WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and

WHEREAS, alarmed that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built; and

WHEREAS, grieved that the Office of the president of these United States has refused to uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in giving recognition to our National Day of Prayer; and

WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we the undersigned elected officials of the people of Oklahoma, religious leaders and citizens of the State of Oklahoma, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world, solemnly declare that the HOPE of the great State of Oklahoma and of these United States, rests upon the Principles of Religion and Morality as put forth in the HOLY BIBLE; and

BE IT RESOLVED that we, the undersigned, believers in the One True God and His only Son, call upon all to join with us in recognizing that “Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord,” and humbly implore all who love Truth and Virtue to live above reproach in the sight of God and man with a firm reliance on the leadership and protection of Almighty God; and

BE IT RESOLVED that we, the undersigned, humbly call upon Holy God, our Creator, Sustainer, and Redeemer, to have mercy on this nation, to stay His hand of judgment, and grant a national awakening of righteousness and Christian renewal as we repent of our great sin.

Signed on the second day of July in the year of our Lord Christ Two Thousand and Nine.

79 thoughts on “Oklahoma Legislature to Consider Proclamation Linking the Economic Crisis to Obama’s Immoral Policies

  1. That “little known” house is at 133 C Street SE. The Post article does not mention that it is classified as religuous property,completely exempt from property taxes. It serves no religious purposed. It is no more than a private residence where they say prayers from time to time. None of this is in the Post article, but, hey, that is why we have the Turley site:

    Property Detail

    Address: 133 C ST SE
    SSL: 0733 0825

    Record Details
    Neighborhood: CAPITOL HILL Sub-Neighborhood: A
    Use Code: 89 – Special Purpose-Misc Class 3 Exception: No
    Tax Type: E1 – Religious Tax Class: 002 – Commercial
    Homestead Status: ** Not receiving the Homestead Deduction
    Assessor: LEIGHTON JONES
    Gross Building Area: Ward: 6
    Land Area: 3,466 Triennial Group: 2

    Owner and Sales Information
    Owner Name: YOUTH WITH A MISSION WASHINGTON DC INC C ST CENTER
    Mailing Address:133 C ST SE; WASHINGTON DC20003-1807
    Sale Price: Not Available
    Sale Date: Not Available
    Instrument No.:

    Tax Year 2010 Preliminary Assessment Roll
    Current Value Proposed New Value (2010)
    Land: $682,800 $682,800
    Improvements: $1,162,010 $1,151,700
    Total Value: $1,844,810 $1,834,500
    Taxable Assessment: * $1,844,810 $1,834,500

    * Taxable Assessment after Tax Assessment Credit and after $67,500 Homestead Credit, if applicable. (Click here for more information).

    The record for tax payments shows that “$0.00” has been paid in taxes.

    The records are at:

    https://www.taxpayerservicecenter.com/RP_Search.jsp?search_type=Assessment

  2. “Of course, one has to ignore that fact that the crisis began under President George Bush who was a favorite of the religious right.”

    **************

    Well obviously we all need a refresher course in logic to remind us that the precursor act is caused by the derivative act. How could I have forgotten that one.

    I heard the resolution started this way:

    Whereas we don’t like President Obama for a host of reasons his race, voting record, and belief in rational thought being just a few; and

    Whereas, we need something to pander to our intellectually deprived Christian Right constituency, which though shrinking, is still pretty vocal and connected; and

    Whereas, we have the advantage of boundless stupidity and a complete absence of critical thinking which foster our ceaseless efforts at demagoguery;and

    Now and be it resolved that we, the undersigned, have it on the best authority in the cosmos that the Country is going to Hell, and the devil made Obama do it.

  3. Well that explains it all. Now I have a reason to blame someone other than my own greed. I do not have to take personal responsibility for any act. All acts of aggression were caused by my perceived threat of diminishing the returns of business that I may believe have a right to excessive profits and returns.

    George Cheney has no responsibility for the cause of torture. It was the NCO’s that actually did it. Yoo not Bebee are exempt because they were just doing what the boss required. Himmler should have been so lucky.

  4. Right on Mespo! The alleged moral crisis must have started during the Bush regime and he did nothing to stop it in 8 long years. As a matter of fact, he was the cause of the moral crisis when he took the country to war on lies about WMD. I guess the news travels slowly in Oklahoma.

  5. rafflw,

    The news starts slow in Oklahoma? Will Rogers would not be amused. But then again, the state may be in a state of denial since, 1) it was a territory 2) it was only good enough for the Cherokee 3) oil was discovered 4) it was no longer good enough for the Cherokee 5) it was taken from the Cherokee 6) it was incorporated as a state in 1901; and 7) it was stolen from the Cherokee.

    I guess news does travel slowly.

    But then again, as a young boy I have always heard that Oklahoma sucked. Yep, thats what keeps Texas from falling into the Gulf.

  6. The funny thing is that this sounds something that a religious cleric in certain middle eastern countries might propose. And the right thinks it is the left trying to impose sharia law in the states.

  7. Vince,

    That was very godless of you to point out uncomfortable facts.

    I’m getting sick of you liberals on this site. President Bush did what he was told to do by God so God could punish this nation. Do you really think Bush liked people such as Paulson and Snow? Do you think he had friends among GS, AIG or Bank of America? Those people may be Obama’s friends but they most certainly were not Bush’s. No siree–the Lord spoke to Bush and told him to put these people into positions of power. God told Bush to do it, because God feels it’s time to lay low the United States.

    Rep. Kern needs to get right with God. She is questioning his wisdom. Who does she think appointed our presidents? Who does she think directs their hand? Repent Ms. Kern. Do you think either Obama or Bush deliberately selected the avaricious, incompetent, silken thugs who run our economy? You don’t think they selected them for the benefit of their financial donors do you?

  8. Jill, I am very sorry and I repent and I apologize to you and the entire population of the planet Earth, in the following order, I apologize to Rep. Kern, to my cat and dog, to ….. [data overlaod, transmission halted]

  9. I was listening to Neil Young this morning and thought about the Album, yes the flat, black and round version, “Hawks and Doves” so I googled it. Oh my what a surprise. One web address stated that the Doves of the 60’s are now the Hawks of the 90’s. What a undermining statement. Thought a lot of my views have changed I am still not a proponent of death and or torture.

  10. I don’t know if that’s true for most. My best friends didn’t make the compromises and didn’t “sell out “. The only problem for them is they ended up a lot poorer materially and resent people who have made more money. Oklahoma is far worse than Texas. They didn’t get all of us Yankees moving in, and they don’t have the wonderful Hispanic culture.

  11. CharlesC
    1, June 30, 2009 at 8:03 am
    The funny thing is that this sounds something that a religious cleric in certain middle eastern countries might propose. And

    Charles, what does the line “…the right thinks it is the left trying to impose sharia law in the states…” mean? The left would hardly be the one insisting on religion over law. The left certainly wouldn’t be trying to impose draconian restrictions on people’s lives. Demanding allegience to one religion, watching carefully over people’s private lives, inflicting torture and harsh punishments for minor offenses, etc.—that’s the right’s chosen job and they take it seriously.

  12. Vince,

    There aren’t enough candles to light to save your soul!

    Charles C., Yesterday I heard an analysis of the Iranian religious crew. I apologize for not remembering this man’s name but he said there was a split between the group that had pretty much stayed out of secular affaris because they believed god was taking care of all that. The current crew was of the mind that they ought to help god’s plans for running/ending the world along. This is the reason (excuse) they became so heavily involved in the running the govt.

    It’s certainly not the first time this has happened historically and it seems to describe the split within the fundamentalists of the US. Rep. Kern falls squarely in the “we need power so we can bring the lord’s plans for armaggeden to fruition”. Many fundamentalists seem to want power over others, at least in the private sphere. For example,they tend to be all for wife and child beatings (no matter their gender) as men are supposed to control women and parents, children. Then there those who would like to extend that private power into the public sphere–just helping god and all. Rep. Kern is one of those and I think you are right to draw the connection to theocratic clerics in other nations (and in general, theocratic fundamentalists of any stripe, in any country).

  13. I like the fact that in the video (a couple of clicks away) she uses “toe cancer” as an analogy for the “homosexual agenda.”

  14. “now i sit by my window and i watch the cars
    i fear i’ll do some damage one fine day
    but i would not be convicted by a jury of my peers
    still crazy after all these years
    still crazy, still crazy
    still crazy after all these years”

  15. The Oklahoma State Constitution says:

    Perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured, and no inhabitant of the State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; and no religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights. Polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited.

    Wouldn’t this proclamation’s resolution to “solemnly declare that the HOPE of the great State of Oklahoma and of these United States, rests upon the Principles of Religion and Morality as put forth in the HOLY BIBLE” be a direct violation of their state’s Constitution?

    What if the “HOLY BIBLE” is not the one your religion uses? What if you are atheist? I can see all kinds of legal problems with this proclamation.

  16. Wayne,

    Excellent quote. However, it’s not the Bible so Rep. Kerr doesn’t need to read either the OK or US Constitution!

  17. Obviously, the Separation of Church and State is something the Red State population largely ignores, producing time-warp-based ignorance common to theobotic populations the world over. And it’s maintained purposely and with a vengeance exacted with other people’s blood and bone. Lucky for it’s adherents.

    Civilized? Not until the Eye-4-Eyes are kept clear of government.

    http://www.light-to-dark.com/auntie_christi_juggles.html

    Smiling with that, Mespo727272

  18. Jill,

    I would never intentionaly disparage anyone’s religious beliefs. You are kidding? I certainly do hope so.

  19. AS Mitchel,

    I’m using humor to criticize both political and religious ideaology/actions that I consider ethically wrong as well as anti-Constitutional. Religion is like any other system of thought– open to question and humor.

  20. Kern is an embarrassment to all thinking people in Oklahoma. Yes, there are some. Yet, it is all too common for completely deranged people to be elected to public office.

  21. Kenneth,

    You could save a few key strokes by editing that too “Kern is an embarrassment to all people.”

  22. on a side note…wasn’t OKLAHOMA the only state where EVERY COUNTY went for McCain, and Obama did not win any of them?…just asking…

  23. In some ways, Oklahoma makes Texas look like a bastion of civil rights, religious tolerance and liberal thinking. Texas seems thus far to retain its top postion as having the nation’s most insane cops and jurists, however.

  24. Incredible! Can Oklahoma get any more embarrassing? Governing in accordance with out-of-date Bronze Age prejudices is no governing at all. What are we, the goddamn Taliban around here? Jesus Kee-rist!

  25. Absolutely hilarious. Thanks for posting the story.

    But the article could use some proofreading. You use “his” for Kern instead of “her.” Unimportant mistake in the long run, but a bit annoying.

    “You may recall Kern from his viral video ranting about gays . . .”

  26. Turley and Toobin are the two best legal commentators on politics in the US these days!

    Both have a deep knowledge of the law, and know how to speak and write about their subjects clearly and penetratingly…and both have a sense of humor to go along with their law smarts.

    Thanks Jonathan for this absurd example of this intersection of right-wing nuttery and far right Christianist beliefs—a toxic mix!

    Could you please make the type in the Reply box a little bigger and bolder? I’m having real trouble reading what I’m typing…thanks.

  27. Oklahoma was fortunate to have a movie and great score named after it. Let’s see: How long has it been? That’s great mileage!

    So why bring all the romance and rich flavor to an end with zero grace? Zero tolerance? Zero humanity? Zero hope? Are these Jesus-endorsed?

    Sometimes I wish Gates, Buffet, and Soros would donate tons of laptops with free Internet hook-up to every qualifying Red State Republican. Truly, an investment in the future-even if most were used for target practice. After all, knowledge=Satan. And by qualify, I mean: Did it go for the Bush-Cheney dictatorship twice?

    http://www.light-to-dark.com/neo_con_trifecta.html

    I believe there’s a large, frustratingly slow motion epiphany happening right now, but after eight years of Unitary Execufascist occupation, and the accompanying effects of it’s economic model, it’s domestic control operation (Patriot & MCA Acts), and radically skewed wealth distribution with nary a bump of a Middle Class, I remain cautiously optimistic.

    Mission accomplished on the Milt Friedman Gone Wildest preemption, thanks to the good folks in the Red States. Damn it, I couldn’t help myself. Imagine realizing you and your family were used to run a protections racket. Imagine the Redneck suddenly realizing that an unwanted intercourse spread over time is still getting stiffed.

    http://www.light-to-dark.com/gonzo_or_justice.html

  28. I used to mock George W. Bush’s Air National Guard service as “protecting us from Oklahoma”. Never again ! There is some serious craziness North of the Red River.

  29. You’re the reason gawd make oklahoma, and I’m sure *aint* a’miss you. Sorry David and Shelley…

    TexHarry, them okies is much *harrier* than youns Texicans.

  30. i unhappily have to say that i live in oklahoma..every one of the state’s 77 counties went for mccain in the november election..the margin of mccain victory here was 66%-34%..what is ironic is that oklahoma has more registered democrats than republicans, by 300,000 people..the governor, brad henry, is a democrat..

    many people in the state have viewpoints that are extremely racist and homophobic, in their thinking, and religiously, very evangelical..sally kerns is representative of this kind of thinking..the state capitol is planning on erecting a large stone scupture, with the 10 commandments inscribed, on the front lawn of the capitol..

    it’s a sad “state” of affairs here..i have lived here for only 2 years..moved here for financial reasons..if i had the money i would move from oklahoma in a heart beat..

  31. Somehow, the phrase “dumb as a sack of hammers” floated to mind while reading this story. It’s an apt description of Rep. Kern and all the Oklahoma cornservatives who put her in office. What outrageous insanity is next from this witless band of know-nothings? Will Obama be blamed for the murder of Franz Ferdinand in 1914 and the stock market crash of ’29?

  32. Put Oklahoma in that special category with Texas as “places to avoid”. Thanks but no thanks. Ignorance? Check. Bigotry? Check. Closed-mindedness? Check. Visit there? Not a chance.

    Mo Rage

  33. I am not a native Texan, but you cannot compare it to Oklahoma. Obama won Dallas County 57-42. Texas has received so many immigrants from Asia, Latin America, the midwest and the northeast in the last ten years that it has really changed the make-up of the population.

  34. Mo Rage 1, June 30, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Put Oklahoma in that special category with Texas as “places to avoid”. Thanks but no thanks. Ignorance? Check. Bigotry? Check. Closed-mindedness? Check. Visit there? Not a chance.

    Mo Rage
    *********************

    Texas can be a very fine place to visit. It can also be a good ideal to avoid Gay Bars in Ft Worth when the cops are doing sobriety checks in the bars.

  35. James, Charlotte NC 1, June 30, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    She has a right to her opinion, freedom of speech.
    **********************

    Say what??????? How so???? She presumably took an Oath of Office to uphold the laws of the state of Oklahoma and the US. So if what she is proposing is against that Oath. Change it. Other wise she can and should be impeached for dereliction of duty.

  36. Liberals want tyranny on earth for the betterment of mankind, conservatives want tyranny on earth to be able to get to heaven.

    whats a poor individual to do?

  37. Methinks Rep. Kern may have been hit in the head by a few 2x4s while hiding from one of the many tornadoes the LORD sends every year to punish Oklahoma for its sinful ways.

  38. New Yorker 1, June 30, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Methinks Rep. Kern may have been hit in the head by a few 2×4s while hiding from one of the many tornadoes the LORD sends every year to punish Oklahoma for its sinful ways.
    *****************
    I am thinking that maybe Quantum Physics came into play. Or Einstein’s theory of relativity or some other brand I cannot recall. Skate board to the face comes to mind.

  39. I use to work up close to Tx/Ok border. Them Okies thought they knew everything. I knew that was impossible cause I was the only one who knew everything.

  40. Well Mike you can always tell an Okie but you can’t always tell an Okie much. You know what I mean?

  41. This just makes me proud to be from Oklahoma! “Where the wind comes sweeping down the plains”, and apparently where certifiably crazy politicians attempt to legislate utterly insane nonsense and expect the rest of us to believe that they are actually standing up for truth and righteousness. What’s really incredible is that they actually believe this stuff! They even believe that they are “humble” servants of the lord, and that atheists and agnostics are brazenly “arrogant” for simply proclaiming that they sincerely doubt other folks’ unsupportable claims about miracles. I would suggest that they don’t even know the meanings of those words. Or at least they don’t understand that the word “arrogant” applies to their behavior, and the word “humble” actually applies to the skeptical atheist or agnostic who admits that he/she does not know the truth about the Universe and Mankind’s place in it. Devoutly religious people tacitly claim to know the Truth, despite the total lack of evidence in support of their claims. The sort of self-righteous nonsensical drivel on display here, and the places of power that its’ proponents so often speak from (almost always from far-right Republicans, although there are plenty of self-deluded Democrats as well) make me and others fearful for the future of this planet. Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern (R) and her ideological comrades are in reality no better intellectually, or even morally, than crazy Islamists who believe that they must convert the world to Islam, or else slay or enslave anyone who won’t succumb. Both world views come from an ideology of intolerance, fear, and hatred – definitely not from a place of reason, compassion, empathy, and yes, love. Where do such people get the idea that it is acceptable to suspend the very concepts of reason, evidence, and rational discussion when the subject turns to ethics, morality, and even spirituality? It’s very sad that the world is still saddled with such outright lunacy posing as morality, and that there are so few people who will stand up to proclaim that the religious far-right’s understanding of ethics and morality is fundamentally and fatally flawed.
    Here’s a couple of questions that are desperately in need of answers:
    1. How do we (collectively – as christians, jews, muslims, hindus, agnostics, atheists, etc.) fully engage in conversation about these issues with our business associates, friends and neighbors – who often don’t share our specific beliefs (or lack thereof) – without jeopardizing our business / social relationships and friendships? This is a politically incorrect subject, but I believe it is desperately in need of a massive public airing.
    2. Specifically for those of us who do not harbor religious certainties: How do we engage in in-depth conversation on these subjects with our friends and business colleagues who are otherwise smart, reasonable and friendly people – but who have a partition set up in their minds on the other side of which resides their belief in unjustifiable religious “wishful thinking” – without jeopardizing our relationships and friendships?

  42. dems seem to be the unhappiest people i’ve ever met.btw,i’m not a republican.in fact i don’t lean either way so i’m not bias .but i have noticed that dems are always on the forums and message boards with an axe to grind about something that they can’t ever change(usually blaming republicans). what anger and stress must be present in their lives all the time.

  43. wvmmrh,

    I think you have a position and it is that of republican. Maybe you have been forced to listen repeatedly that everyone but republicans complain. Listen and listen good, Read the Newspaper(s) don’t listen to what someone else’s spin is on something. Make your own mind up. Its not that hard. Now if you are a hold over from Scientology then good day, your mind is already away.

  44. wvmmrh:

    “dems seem to be the unhappiest people i’ve ever met.btw,i’m not a republican…. i have noticed that dems are always on the forums and message boards with an axe to grind about something that they can’t ever change(usually blaming republicans). what anger and stress must be present in their lives all the time.”

    ***********

    I think you mean to say we’re the “most literate people I’ve ever met,” though, of course, we haven’t met you. Conservatives, who generally can’t handle proper syntax or sentence structure on their computers or anywhere else for that matter, are usually precluded from this activity due to the horrible scars on their hands. You see, dragging their knuckles on the ground so much tends to do this. Thanks for your prescient, though convoluted commentary on those you do not know.

  45. okietxsc,

    Welcome to this blog. There are believers of many stripes, doubters, agnostics and atheists here. So add your voice some more.

    Vince and Mike A.;

    I just heard that Terry Gross is interviewing Jeff Sharlet on her program today concerning “The Family” and it’s connection to Gov. Sanford and others.

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  47. Makes me want to saw off the “Bible belt” as its own country.

    Once they ‘invoke god’ in all of their variant doin’s, they can see how far that takes them.

  48. Here is the link to Terry Gross’s interview with Jeff Sharlet on, The Family. It is chilling and important. It actually ties into Rep. Kerr’s diatribe but more importantly, you will see clearly the connection with christianity, Sanford’s reference to King David, and our constant alliance with world leaders who tend to be mass murderers.

    “Fresh Air from WHYY, July 1, 2009 · In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by the secret Christian group known as The Family or The Fellowship.

    Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR’s New Deal, the right-wing fundamentalist religious group organizes prayer meetings for Congressmen, as well as the annual National Prayer Breakfast. The group also has an alleged connection to a house in Washington, D.C. known as C Street, which serves as a prayer house and residence for politicians like Governor Mark Sanford, Senator John Ensign and Senator Tom Coburn.

    A religion expert and a journalist, Sharlet is a contributing editor for Harper’s and Rolling Stone. He is editor of The Revealer, a review of religion and the press.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324

  49. We’ve seen how well mixing religion and politics worked for the Taliban, the Saudis, Savanarola, etc….

    BTW liberals* aren’t unhappy. The fact that we like to discuss the issues on the web is a sign that we’re conversant with the issues.

    *I believe the poster I refer to meant to include all liberals, not just Dems. I’m an independent liberal (sometimes voting Democratic, sometimes Green and sometimes Libertarian). We all like to discuss the issues, rather than just taking our “ideas” directly from bloviating talk radio entertainers.

  50. This is absolutely devoid of intelligence and information based on reality. We have got to put an end to these religious fanatics fantasy land antics. Since they believe that “God”, is giving them the power, it is time for Oklahoman’s to stand up and stop this ridiculous charade of loss of reality. She, Sally Kern, is obviously not fit mentally to be involved in making decisions for Oklahoma (or even her own family members, maybe even her own life). This has gone past a matter of opinion about God or morality. She is teetering on the ledge of insanity, and I would hate for Oklahoma too fall off the ledge with her and her cohorts.

  51. I’m sure many of the people “QUOTED” here are rolling in their graves.

    How much of this is taken out of context? Sure Patrick Henry may have said or written “This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians”.

    Did he also say in the same breath “Isn’t that a miracle? We created a Government that respects all faiths and imposes none.”

    I bet you take the Bible out of context too…

  52. mespo727272:
    “Conservatives, who generally can’t handle proper syntax or sentence structure on their computers or anywhere else for that matter, are usually precluded from this activity due to the horrible scars on their hands”

    Tis a pity you are correct, my only defense is working for a living. The bloody knuckles typically come from a hard days labor, building bridges and buildings and water treatment plants and roads and schools. Although there are many working class democrats, they have yet to figure out that elitist liberals have nothing but disdane for them as is shown by your comment.

    Give me the common sense of the American working man or woman any day of the week.

    I think Mr. Jefferson has a quote about this, but I havent time to look it up.

  53. I guess Kern and people like her really don’t believe in a nation that allows all religious belief and think others should be persecuted by religion,dispite our Constitution saying otherwise.
    Morality is a basic human concept not just religions.If she wishes to blame a political party for all the bad things in this country she would have to include all of them.Unless she’s willing to lie for party affiliation reasons.
    Everyone knows their a basic good and bad that everyone follows and that it is wrong to phyical hurt or harm anyone regardless of their beliefs.
    If she wishes to talk about morality and how lack of it has destroyed our nation perhaps she needs to look at those in government who lie,cheat and steal and don’t even give consideration to their own actions first before blaming and judging anyone.

  54. Thanks, Swarthmore Mom for pointing out the positive changes in Texas. I’m not a native Texan. When I came here for a job assignment I had the usual misconceptions about Texas that many Northerners have.If you knew my background you would say I was the least likely to ever move to Texas.

    The police raid in Ft. Worth is an outrage. Unfortunately there are racist and homophobic cops in a lot of places. Something that might have been swept under the rug a few years ago is now the focus of public outrage in the local papers and TV news. That’s a positive change.

    Today an African American man occupies Henry Wade’s old office as the Dallas D A. He is opening old cases and working with the Innocence Project – 19 people have been released from prison as a result. Dallas County has a lesbian Latina sheriff – yes, you read that correctly.

    More people moved to Texas last year than to any other state. More Fortune 500 companies are headquartered here than any other state. This is helping those of us who are working hard to turn Texas blue again. Come on down, y’all !

    Thanks for being patient with this long post, Harry

  55. O.K. Professor Turley got mad at me a few months ago for using an expression that rymed with muck-jarred, and which could be suggested by F _ _ _t_rd.

    I realised I have a potty mouth and/or keyboard. But this type of post seems to justify the use of said expression, possibly in the plural.

    From now on, I’ll just use Kernservative in place of F_ _ _t_rd and you’ll know what I mean.

    Man O’ man does that lady have crazy eyes.

    I will give her this though, The bible does say divorce is an abomination and those dovorced should be stoned to death. I always wonder why gays don’t use this more to throw some crazy bible-based b.s. back at their critics. They’d get Newt, Rush and a whole lot of crazys.

  56. rofl

    Well I see that every rule has an exception. While I generally follow Carlin’s adage about euphemistic language being bad for us humans, I will stipulate that seamus has found a use for it after all. Kernservative indeed.

    Yep.

    Rep. Sally Kern (K)

    I like the ring of that.

  57. seamus,

    You are a brilliant tactician! I’m willing to market stoning kits for right wing christians–live your faith!

  58. Juicing the Fruits

    (OKLAHOMA CITY) I’m sure the sham of appearing at the Capitol and giving the impression this is a legislative procedure is exactly what was intended when GOPer Sally Kern and Krew planned their morality proclamation ceremony on July 2 in Oklahoma City.

    If she were interested in promoting only morality and not instead, introducing her personal religious restrictions, why isn’t she using her own church, Olivett Baptist, as her backdrop?

    As always with the mentally unbalanced words and actions are morphed into absurd definitions and shapes. Lies to support other lies are always invented, regardless of how holy the intent of the lies is supposed to be.

    She speaks of divorce as contributing to national decline. How short her memory is for anything except bible verses.

    Kern’s patron saint, Ronald Reagan, was divorced, as is Newt Gingrich and Rumbaugh twice each. Sen. Vitter of LA likes diaper sex with paid escorts and Gov. Sandford of SC abandons his family and state duties to amorize in Argentina. Gov. Palin of AK can’t teach her eldest daughter to say simple words like, “No”.

    When you don’t set yourself up on a high soap box in the first place and then mistake it for a psychiatrist’s office you don’t have to fall so inevitably far when you come up short in your own life.

    Kern should spend more time looking at the fruit falling close to her family tree ( http://tinyurl.com/krahr9 ) before she tries to juice the private lives of others.

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