With Friends Like This: Karzai Again Proclaims that He Wishes He Was With The Taliban Instead of the United States

We have another encouraging statement from our ally, Afghan President Hamid Karzai who told Gen. David H. Petraeus, U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry and other top Western officials in Kabul that one of his greatest enemies is the United States and that he wished he had gone with the Taliban when he had a chance. Previously, if you recall, Karzai stated that he wanted to actually join the Taliban in fighting the United States, so this is just a reminder.

So, just to keep track, our loss of life and limb in Afghanistan is sharply increasing. We have burned through hundreds of billions of dollars in this war as our cities and states are cutting back on public education, parks, and basic services. Yet, we continue to sacrifice our soldiers and treasure in a country where the President is a corrupt lunatic who dreams of joining the Taliban and killing U.S. troops. Of course, he will first have to find one. Recently it was disclosed that our geniuses in the CiA and military have been negotiating with a perfect fraud — a man who falsely claimed to be “Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour,” one of the most senior commanders in the Taliban movement. In addition to giving him a fortune, he was flown to meet with Karzai and our top commanders. The U.S. now says that he was just a guy trying to make some cash.

In his latest diatribe, Karzai said his three “main enemies” – the Taliban, the United States and the international community. Then added, “If I had to choose sides today, I’d choose the Taliban.”

The problem is that many are saying that the Taliban are winning — in part because of Karzai’s corrupt and inept government. Why should they want Karzai? They would much prefer that we carry him. He has proven one of their greatest assets.

In the meantime, we continue to substitute ideological allies with openly corrupt officials — corrupted by the CIA itself.

Afghanistan has become an example of “path dependence” in economic theory — we have invested so much on this gambit that we cannot get ourselves to consider changing course — or at least no politician is willing to take responsibility for such a decision. The result is that we our losses mount as a lunatic leader fantasizes of joining the enemy. The only good thing is that we must be confusing the hell out of our allies, but I know I am confused.

By the way, our latest published loss was Lance Cpl. Michael Geary, 20, of New Hampshire. Geary had wanted to be a marine since he was 14. He fought the Taliban while Karzai routinely call him the enemy and expresses his desire to join the men who killed him. While Karzai debates what side he is on, Geary’s mother has to deal with the loss of this wonderful son as well as losing her job shortly before Thanksgiving and the recent death of her mother from a long battle against lung cancer. I can only imagine what she is thinking when reading these statements from Karzai. I cannot imagine a more tragic series of events for this poor lady. Obviously, Michael did not die for the likes of Karzai and his lack of appreciation does not reflect the sympathy of all Americans for her and her family. Reading about Michael was very hard – he was clearly a very special person who was a credit to both his family and his country.

Source: Washington Post

Jonathan Turley

56 thoughts on “With Friends Like This: Karzai Again Proclaims that He Wishes He Was With The Taliban Instead of the United States

  1. As a father with a Marine son currently serving in Afghanistan, it pains me to see this miscreant in power. It isn’t the first time we have dealt with corrupt public officials, but for this excuse for a human being to publicly state that he wishes that the Taliban were in power is more than just an affront. It is a direct slap in not just the US government’s face, but a slap in the face of all those Marines and Army and Navy and Air Force personel who have served, been injured or have made the ultimate sacrifice. Maybe it is time for us to install new leadership at the top? We basically put this bum into his position. Let’s see how long he survives without American and NATO forces and American dollars. Then let’s see how he likes the Taliban. Disgusting, ungrateful idiot.

  2. Forward, the Light Brigade!”
    Was there a man dismay’d?
    Not tho’ the soldier knew
    Some one had blunder’d.
    Theirs not to make reply,
    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do and die.
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

    ~Alfred Lord Tennyson

  3. “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

    My son served there in 2003-04 and worked at times with Mr. Karzai’s “milk brother’. The stories of graft and corruption he tells would curl your hair. He does not blame them for the disaster there though. He believes that we were well on our way to a corrupt but stable 3rd world country until we stopped putting in the effort there so we could screw up Iraq.

    The question now is not if but when. There will be a last man – or woman – to die for these mistakes but American will hardly notice.

  4. Blood and treasure, blood and treasure. I resent the treasure being squandered but what is unconscionable to me is the blood, it’s the most precious treasure of all and it’s being spent for political lies and hubris.

    The greatest act of support for the troops in my opinion (and Im not a ‘support the *anything* no matter what’ kind of person) is to just have them ALL home within the next 60 days. We evacuated the troops from Vietnam in about 30 days so it can be done and needs to be done with all haste. It’s long overdue in fact.

    That includes no phony distinction between combat troops and security/training forces and private contractors paid by the government. Everyone in uniform and the contractors stop getting paid simultaneously.

    We haven’t “won”, we aren’t going to “win” and “win” isn’t even defined, except to whatever extent the Administration throws up an ever-shifting goal to justify the then-current political aim of remaining. Just get them the hell O U T. That takes care of our troops, our treasure and the corruption in Kabul.

  5. Karzai must think he’s bullet proof, but can you fault his stupidity and arrogance when we’ve let Bush and Cheney walk free? If the complaint is corruption and malfeasance, nothing – I repeat nothing – will get better until America cleans up her own house first.

  6. J. Brian Harris, Ph.D., P.E., sayeth, “Insanity is believing that anything can ever actually (as contrasted with hypothetically) be done more than once.”

    As I cannot fault my stupidity, from whence could I fault the stupidity of anyone else?

    I understand that my wife’s and my former grandson is now among the U.S troops in Afghanistan.

    From the writings of Dr. Abraham A. Low, “You are–and everyone seems to be, a dual personality with a dual viewpoint. AT times you advance the subjective viewpoint and become emotional and temperamental; at other times the objective viewpoint is favored and emotion and temper are controlled. ‘It all depends on the way you look at things,’ and your temper will have free reign if you cultivate the subjective way of looking at things while it will be kept in reasonable control if the objective view of things is given the right of way.” (Abraham A. Low, “Peace Versus Power in the Family,” Willett Publishing Co, Winnetka, IL, 1967, page 152)

    Also from Dr. Low, “Lillian’s behavior was governed by two contradictory wills, the one group-oriented and the other starkly individualistic. This accords with what I have stressed repeatedly, namely, that in this imperfect world of ours, there is no purity of character, personality and will. The average human being who is neither saintly nor heroic nor angelic, is served by two wills, ruled by two characters and obsessed by two personalities. The average person is [italics on] dual, [italics off] not [italics on] unified.” (Abraham A. Low, “Selections from Dr. Low’s Works (1950-1953),” Recovery, Inc., Chicago, 1966, page 17)

    I find that I am not a member of the class of “average people” who are dual; I am, so I observe, a member of the (miniscule?) class of non-average people who are unified.

    It is my nearly lifelong observation, as one not of divided will and duality of personality, that divided and dual personality people tend to be internally at war with themselves and have a curious proclivity to project their inner divided state upon all that comes to their attention, including someone similar to me in the sense of being a unified (not dual and/or divided) person.

    As I am not at war with myself, so I am not at war with any aspect of existence.

    Did someone once say something to the effect that a house divided against itself cannot stand?

    I know and I understand the way of being unified person, and I know this and I understand this because I live it.

    It is “bloody difficult” (pardon my English) to communicate what I know and what I understand in the language of “the average person” as Dr. Low intended the term, because that language appears to me to have been as though designed and developed specifically to preclude anything useful I could ever say or write in “the language of the average person.”

    “The average person” is a hypothetical, not one jot more real or actualizable than the hypothetical “reasonable person” of the tradition of torts. There has never been an actual (not exclusively hypthetical) “average person” any more than there has ever been am actial (not merely abstractly hypothetical) reasonable person in the contemporary traditional legalisticalismish sense.

    Believing only in the impossible appears to me to utterly prohibit believing in the possible.

  7. Buddha,
    You are right that we have to clean up our own house, but while we are doing that, let’s get rid of Karzai.
    Mespo,
    I loved the Charge of the light brigade! Great lines.
    Frank, et al,
    What seems so obvious to us seems so unthinkable to those at the top.

  8. By the way, I have forgotten it twice. My heart and prayers go out to the Geary family for their son’s ultimate sacrifice on our behalf. He will never be forgotten by his fellow Marines or us. Semper Fi.

  9. Buddha Is Laughing
    1, December 17, 2010 at 10:38 am
    raff,

    I have no problem with that. We as a nation can multitask. We just need to will to get the job done.

    11 rafflaw
    1, December 17, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Buddha,
    It seems the “will” is the hard part!

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    Buddha and rafflaw,

    Yes, we need to find the will… and the will is the hard part…
    (and all I want to do is take a nap)… Buddha, wasn’t it you who said, “When the going gets tough, the tough take a nap.”

    I’ve never been more worried for our country. If we don’t find a way to turn it around, I don’t even want to imagine…

  10. anon nurse,

    Actually I was but the messenger. The man who said that to me was my high school computer science teacher. He was also responsible for this bit of wisdom: “To err is human. To really screw something up you need a computer.”

  11. Buddha,

    “If the complaint is corruption and malfeasance, nothing – I repeat nothing – will get better until America cleans up her own house first.”

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    So true. And our house is a mess…

  12. anon nurse:

    “So true. And our house is a mess…”

    The way things are shaping up,we may look back a year from now and say those were the good ole days.

  13. eniobob
    1, December 17, 2010 at 9:35 am
    Schwarzenegger saying “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”

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    Ain’t that the truth!

  14. The YouTube video is a brief tribute to former (there is *never* an ex-Marine) current, and deceased Marines like Lance Corporal Mike Geary who knew they stood a good chance of dying while standing for honor regardless of–and often in spite of–the corrupt governments they might be supporting in an effort to help civilians, foreign and domestic, live in peace.

    As a kid, I too wanted to be a Marine once I heard that rousing Marine Corp anthem, although since my grandfather in WW1 to my father and my uncles in WWII/Korea, and my brother (Green Beret/Army Ranger Officer, KIA in Laos) I served in the Army.

  15. Blouise,
    thanks! I am not sure about the quiet part, but home would be nice.
    Former Fed,,
    I am sorry about your brother. Thanks to him and you and your family for their service.
    Anon nurse,
    A nap does sound good, if I didn’t have so much work to do.

  16. “The way things are shaping up,we may look back a year from now and say those were the good ole days.” -eniobob

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    eniobob,

    I’m already sayin’ “those were the good ole days” but, I’m afraid you’re right. From my vantage point, it’s only going to get worse, unless there’s some sort of miracle…

    rafflaw,

    No nap for me either, as much as I want and need one… :-)

  17. Rafflaw,

    Including your son’s duty as a Marine officer in Afghanistan, I submit that dishonor never exists amongst or against soldiers who honorably fight in otherwise dishonorable wars.

    You are obviously and justifiably proud of your son. Whatever the Afghanistan outcome shall be, the pride all of us should display for our military service personnel must never falter.

  18. Former Federal LEO
    1, December 17, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    Rafflaw,

    Including your son’s duty as a Marine officer in Afghanistan, I submit that dishonor never exists amongst or against soldiers who honorably fight in otherwise dishonorable wars.

    You are obviously and justifiably proud of your son. Whatever the Afghanistan outcome shall be, the pride all of us should display for our military service personnel must never falter.

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    That was beautifully said

  19. Lotta,

    “We haven’t “won”, we aren’t going to “win” and “win” isn’t even defined, except to whatever extent the Administration throws up an ever-shifting goal to justify the then-current political aim of remaining.”

    There’s no way to win an occupation.

  20. Thanks Former Fed and Blouise. And thanks to eniobob too as he has experienced this. It is a hard time of the year for any family member to be away from home, but when your son or daugher is in harms way, it is harder. His mother and I are looking forward to his safe return and we are confident that he and his fellow Marines of the 2/3 will come back in June with their heads held high knowing that they served their country with honor and courage.

  21. “There’s no way to win an occupation.”

    Even more amusing, I don’t believe the 9/11 AUMF authorizes it either.

  22. Are you sure this isn’t just a bit hyperbolic?:
    “the President is a corrupt lunatic who dreams of joining the Taliban and killing U.S. troops.” How do you know what Karzai’s dreams are?

    This war is suffering from extreme mission creep. We are supporting the Drug War-lords AKA the Northern Alliance an men like Hekmaytar Gulbadin against the Taliban. Al Queda was the enemy and is the size of a fly and is no longer in Afghanistan.

    The Taliban stopped things like this:

    WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops
    http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

    “​Another international conflict, another horrific taxpayer-funded sex scandal for DynCorp, the private security contractor tasked with training the Afghan police.
    [I]f one of the diplomatic cables from the WikiLeaks archive is to be believed, boy howdy, are their doings in Afghanistan shady.

    Many of DynCorp’s employees are ex-Green Berets and veterans of other elite units,… commissioned by the US gov. to provide training for the Afghani police… over 95 percent of its $2 billion annual revenue comes from US taxpayers.

    [A]ccording to the leaked cable, that money was flowing to drug dealers and pimps. Pimps of children, to be more precise.

    [T]his DynCorp soiree was a bacha bazi (“boy-play”) party, much like the ones uncovered earlier this year by Frontline […] bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban. Bacha boys are 8- to 15-years-old. They put on make-up, tie bells to their feet and slip into scanty women’s clothing, and then, to the whine of a harmonium and wailing vocals, they dance seductively to smoky roomfuls of leering older men.

    After the show is over, their services are auctioned off to the highest bidder, who will sometimes purchase a boy outright. And by services, we mean anal sex: The State Department has called bacha bazi a “widespread, culturally accepted form of male rape.” (While it may be culturally accepted, it violates both Sharia law and Afghan civil code.)

    Click through on the video to see the whole series. It’s some sick stuff.

  23. Rafflaw:

    I wish your son Godspeed and echo the comments of FFLEO regarding the service of honorable men and women in dishonorable wars.

    Afghanistan is not a nation. It has never been a nation. It is a geographical area with more or less artificial boundaries inhabited by multi-ethnic tribes united only by hostility toward foreign occupiers. Its people are largely illiterate and have no concept of a strong central government, let alone of democratic institutions.

    As Lottakatz noted earlier in this thread, our purpose and our goals in Afghanistan are as fluid as Pres. Karzai’s commitments. We talk about creating a safe and stable nation, but refuse to honestly admit that that is not a possibility. We talk about creating an Afghan society in which people live in freedom and women are treated with respect, but refuse to honestly admit that we do not have the capacity, let alone the right, to impose cultural transformation on a people. And we pretend that these sorts of tectonic shifts in the lives of a scattered, uneducated population can be accomplished in a space of time measured by years rather than by generations.

    The military will continue to insist that we are making “progress” because the American military mind cannot conceive of anything less. The political establishment will continue to assert the necessity of our undefined mission because it fears that withdrawal will brand the decision makers as the party that lost Afghanistan. And those who argue vehemently against the continuation of the whole benighted enterprise will be criticized as unpatriotic and indifferent to the sacrifices of our troops.

    It is and has always been a pathetic, cynical and immoral venture.

  24. Thank you Blouise. Good to see you back (although for a grammah, you sure can be a blawg instigator at times…maybe that is why I noticed your absence).

  25. Blouise,

    lol re: the “biker bar” comment on the “birdwatching” thread

    (A couple of the threads have become too long and my limited/ somewhat challenged computer can’t handle them. The Ron Paul and Global Warming threads will go on without me…)

  26. Former Federal LEO
    1, December 17, 2010 at 9:15 pm
    Thank you Blouise. Good to see you back (although for a grammah, you sure can be a blawg instigator at times…maybe that is why I noticed your absence).

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    :) When you’re not posting I console myself with a mind picture of you sitting on a tipped-backed chair enjoying the desert air while chomping on a root (I posted this vid to you on another thread but it’s here for you again)

  27. anon nurse
    1, December 17, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    Blouise,

    lol re: the “biker bar” comment on the “birdwatching” thread

    (A couple of the threads have become too long and my limited/ somewhat challenged computer can’t handle them. The Ron Paul and Global Warming threads will go on without me…)

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    I figured you’d like it since I know you appreciate Biker Bars ;)

  28. Swarthmore Mom,

    I did notice both of those posts by Blouise. I am just trying to figure out how to respond since I play guitar, I do live on a chunk of land in the desert, I once had horses, I started a rodeo club in high school and rode bulls then and in college, but I do not think y’all would believe me if I said I thought I was a bit better lookin’ than that drugstore-lookin’ cowpoke and I think I sing a bit better too. Now, I will admit that out here in the desert I aint got no roots like that to knaw on ’cause the Jackrabbits get ’em first or the ones they don’t et up, the coyotes use as their urine scent posts. Lastly, I do not own no fancy boots or duds like that dude has.

    BTW B_lou_eez, I aint seen that movie but it does look like fun.

  29. Just to show you all how deep down shallow I really am … Rustler’s Rhapsody is my favorite flick. And FFLEO … I am certain that back in the day you were Rex O’Herlihan, the singing cowboy. Rent the movie … I bet you won’t disagree … well, except for the 31 year old virgin part …

  30. FFLEO,

    Well, it’s a real problem for him … he’s always ridin’ into town, cleanin’ up the mess and ridin’ out again and you know women … you gotta date and date ’em, even marry ’em … and he’s a good guy!

    Now we all know a good guy has to be confidant heterosexual and he’s a heterosexual but he’s also a 31 year old virgin so is he a confidant heterosexual? Hmmm … the plot thickens …

  31. Okay, I am most likely ‘gonna have to order the DVD from Amazon since I viewed a few more clips on YouTube.

    My guess is that there is a happy ending where dude gets that fine lookin’ barroom hussie and they ride of’n to the sunset a’sangin’

    .

  32. FFLEO,

    But then he’d just be some old married dude no longer able to save the townspeople from the cattle and railroad barons that plagued every damn town in the West … does he settle down or does he continue on with his mission ….

  33. KMansfield: “artificial boundaries inhabited by multi-ethnic tribes united only by hostility toward foreign occupiers.” That, the open pedophilia (as much a product of their radical religious practices as choice) which you detailed, extraordinary levels of government corruption, and poppies rendered our mission there a farce going in no matter the mission statement du jour.

    Mike A, Well said and I’m glad to see you posting lately, I’ve missed you.

  34. LottaKatz, I guess you overlooked the part where the US contractors from Dyncorp are buying the little boys.
    With all due respect, Islam or any Abrahmic religion does not allow pedophilia. It’s cultural, not religious, but exasperated by poverty (and obviously we also share and tolerate this abhorrent practice within our own culture.) The religious Taliban have a problem with it. The video explains a lot.

    This war of occupation has to do with Infrastructure building as much as anything, even Obama mentioned it.

    Perhaps Rafflaw can ask his son about the TAPI pipeline development, and mining contracts or if he knows about them?

    If these men are fighting for our freedoms, then what’s up with the porno scanners and the TSA gropers, and oppressive crackdown on Wikileaks? Our Fourth and First Amendment rights are being flushed down the toilet.

  35. KMansfield, I’m aware of the contractor connection and from what I have read over time, the practice does not rely on contractors because the practice is not new, it is well established and of long standing. The contractors are just another avenue for the commerce.

    Religion is a cornerstone of culture and the practice of a religion that has fundamentalist sects that prevent a man from seeing more than the feet of a woman and discourages even conversation until engagement irreversibly harms a healthy sexual appetite. The penchant for the rape of boys in Afghanistan is founded in their religion, not that it promotes it but that it discourages hetro-sexual relationships. How they square that with their religions prohibition of sodomy I don’t know though I do know you are correct about the prohibition.

    Right next door in Pakistan there are serious problems with the traffic in children for sex work but the children are primarily female. The difference is the the number of people that ascribe to the most restrictive fundamentalist leanings of their religion I have read but I can’t say that with authority.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/contractor-bought-afghan-policemen-drugs-boys-cable-reveals/

    “US contractor bought Afghan policemen drugs, little boys, cable reveals”
    By David Edwards

    “… As Joel Brinkley reported for SFGate.com, many Afghan Pashtun tribal men take boys age 9 to 15 as lovers. The US State Department recently called “dancing boys” a “widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape.”

    Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can’t even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

    “How can you fall in love if you can’t see her face,” 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. “We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful.”

    “Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover,” wrote Brinkley. “Literally it means ‘boy player.’ The men like to boast about it. …”

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