If you think that American flight attendants have become a bit heavy handed, be grateful that you don’t fly Saudi Arabian Airlines flight. A man who refused to put his cigarette out on a flight to Jeddah was sentenced to 30 lashes.
The man reportedly said that he was on his way to a clinic to stop smoking. This would fall in the category of adverse therapy.
In some way, he got off easy. In April 2008, a man was sentenced to 50 lashes for smoking on board a Dammam-Riyadh Saudi flight.
Because it’s irrelevant. You didn’t answer my question about Iraq not being broken before invaded and not having attacked us. Now pardon me, but you’ll be talking to yourself the remainder of the evening. I suspect it’s not a new sensation.
Im not suggesting that at all. You are the one that presumes too much. You didnt answere my question on whether or not you thought the people of Iraq enjoyed Sadaam.
Any JAG’s out there to set this clown straight? I have a date.
You seem to be suggesting our USMC trains our young men to be torturers. If that doesn’t require defending, I’m not sure what does.
*sure that the Marines don’t need help from either of the two of you in defending our honor. Thanks though.
So you think the people of Iraq enjoyed living under the rule of Sadaam? And Im pretty
raff,
Thank you kind sir and doubly so for defending the honor of the Marines. An uncle was a Marine in Viet Nam and gave his life for this country. Semper Fi!
How about the fact that Iraq was a stable albeit despotic country that hadn’t attacked us on 9/11? A country that tolerated NO terrorists of any sort in their borders because they’d have been a threat to Saddam? How about Saddam hated Islamic radicals probably more than anyone? It’s hardly being talking about.
Buddha,
Great job tonight. It is interesting that Chris and Bron and the others always want to rely on the Fake “what would you do if a prisoner had information that could save thousands” dodge to stake a claim that torture is both effective and necessary. First of all, Chris, if you were in the Marines, thank you for your service. One thing that you should have learned in the Marines was that you are fighting for the rule of law and the Constitution. Torture is illegal under any circumstance. Even under the “24” scenario. Semper Fi is loosely defined as always faithful. Faithful to your fellow Marines and your country and the Constitution. You can only be faithful to the country and Constitution by following the law. Following US law and the UCMJ meand no torture. The Marines do not take any shortcuts in their procedures or rules. That includes following the law.
One more thing, What is this business that someone who hasn’t fought in Iraq doesn’t know what freedom is? I know what freedom is. Freedomn is my father being credited with flying 50 bomber missions in WWII and then having his reserve group called up again in Korea with 4 kids and me on the way. Freedom is my brother fighting in Vietnam and the Army couldn’t locate him “in county”. Freedom is my uncles and brother in law fighting in WWII and Korea and Vietnam respectively. Freedom is watching my son leave a good job after college to join the Marines and serve his country. Those are all examples of citizens fighting for freedom. But those are not the only examples of Freedom. Freedom is also fighting for civil rights in the 50’s and 60’s. Freedom is protesting against governmental abuses and continuing the fight for rights for all minorities. Freedom is also working for the candidate of your choosing who stands for the rule of law. Freedom is also coming onto blogs like this one to try to convince others of the merits of your beliefs. Without all of these kinds of Freedom, we would not be the unique country that we are. Don’t forget that the Constitution that you claim is written in stone, was designed and written by progressives who believed that freedom was only possible when citizens were judged by the rule of law, not the rule of might.
Because I believe we are doing a good thing for the country of Iraq. I personlly have met thousands of Iraqis, 90 percent of whom are extremely grateful for what we have done for them in removing a tyrant that was their leader. Im curious if you could rattle of the number of Iraqis the Sadaam killed while he was in power.
Its funny how much the media reports on Iraq when things are going poorly over there. Now that things have turned around and there is stability, its hardly being talked about.
Patty C:
why that is such a flatering picture of you, really shows off the nose ornament. Is that a JC Penny portait?
I bet you get asked to BBQ’s a lot.
It escapes me how American in the U.S. military can continue to support the Republican Party.
U.S. Military confirmed deaths in Iraq 4235.
Iraqis deaths since 2003 estimated at 100,000.
U.S. Military casualties, medical air transports (hostile and non-hostile) 44,000.
The above is hideous… it gets worse:
PTSD
The Army Medical Corps is systematically mis-diagnosing PTSD war casualties as having a Personality Disorder, which then requires that these solders be given Chapter 5-13 discharges, which in turn disqualifies them from receiving any military medical or retirement benefits and which places them outside of the umbrella of Veterans Administration services.
Halliburton
Extended deployments
Army suicide rates at a thirty year high.
Number of manufacturing jobs lost since 2000: 3.78 million
National debt increase since 2000: $10.6 trillion
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
Bron98 1, February 2, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Nothing against females, I own one.
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Here’s a theory – wait for it – warthog?
http://www.awf.org/files/3830_file_warthog_boulton.jpg
Buddha:
please read this article and let me know what you think:
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-spring/just-war-theory.asp
MikeA:
I would be interested in your thoughts too.
“but the results won’t be as unreliable.”
I do other things. None for discussion here. This is a hobby, btw, this part of it. Gotta love the Crackberry. What would I do to get information? Why I’d follow the advice of experts on interrogation, either using relation building if there is time or drugs if there isn’t. Anyone who has studied torture knows that physical torture is a crap method of intelligence gathering. Drugs and sensory manipulation on the other hand work like a charm. It may take a little more time than waterboarding or electrifying their groin (hey, torture is cool! go all out!) but the result won’t be be reliable. Fact won’t have jack to do with it. The victims will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to make the pain go away. If you are willing to believe BULLSHIT to stop, hey, they can literally live with that. Bad intel costs lives, Marine. You should know that. But you just can’t wait to physically harm someone, can you? Tired of the opinion backed by fact that this country is in the ditch? Well you need to learn the difference between opinion and demonstrable fact. That or you watch zero news but the FOX Indoctrination Channel.
And your colors are showing, chris, er, Bron, er, CCM. You are all so alike. Your type can only appear to be reasonable for so long before the jackboots come out. Might isn’t right. It’s a tool. And tough decision or not, wrong decisions have negative consequences. There is no point in fighting monsters if you become one.
And as far as any decisions I’ve made that affect others lives, you simply presume too much.
How is it that you fight against injustice and evil? By blogging? Im curious what service you have provided our country that has preserved either liberty or the constitution. As far as torture goes, what would you do if you had to get information from one man that could save tens of thousands of lives. Stand by and hope that he tells you. You make judgments from your high horse, but have probably never had to make decisions concerning the lives of anybody other than yourself. Im not saying its right or wrong, only that people have to make tough decisions to protect our liberties and freedoms. I spent 5 years in the marine corps, 2 and a half of which were in Iraq. It is this experience that has made me tired of opinions like yours that our country has been driven into a ditch. You have no idea what life in a ditch is really like. I worked along side of Iraqis who were just happy to be able to come to work everyday and work for minimum wage. Those are men who know the real definition of freedom.
Good call on Burke too.
Mike A.
We are in agreement. I’ve read a little Islamic law. Scary stuff. Crazy scary. It’s so counter to not just our founding principles but those of many European and Asian cultures as well. I’ve often wondered if reconciliation among the various legal traditions is even possible with theocracy still on the table in any form.