After the recent disclosure of how Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld used biblical passages as part of the war briefings for President George W. Bush, GQ magazine has an even more disturbing account: Bush lobbied French President Chirac that the war in Iraq was foretold in the bible and told that it was the final struggle with Gog and Magog.
The magazine quotes French sources as saying that Chirac was so confused by the conversation that he reached out to Thomas Römer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne to try to figure out what Bush was talking about. This report is supposedly confirmed in Chirac’w own book.
According to the report, Bush lobbies Chirac in 2003 with quotations from the Book of Revelation and told him that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated. The bible states:
7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, :8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Gog is known to dwell to the north of Israel.
Evangelicals and Bible literalists often discuss the battle foretold by prophet Ezekiel in Ezekiel 38 and 39 as key to the 1000 reign of Christ — working on the precise timing indicators from the Bible to plan ahead.
The report says that Bush told Chirac that the fight in the Middle East was “willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
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BTW…
the US was at war with saddam since 1991…we had 2 (count them) no fly zones…in which our AMERICANS pilots patroled
saddam keep building anti-aircraft networks around his zone which included parts and the cable for the nteworks from china…which we keep taking out
our pilots were being shot at on a weekly basis…
if one can not understand that saddam had some plan to finish the war he started in 1991 then one has no common sense
is america surrounded by enemies in the middle east…yes, even our friends
should we become muslims and throw in the towel? NO
saddam did pay palestinians to send their children to their deaths for the cause of ISLAM aka PAN ARABISM? YES
for whatever the faults that happned doesn’t mean the whole thing was not the right thing to do…were we to wait for saddam to be ready for us…i don’t mean the mushroom cloud…but that is what some people wanted to hear and saddam…
if bush didn’t say what he said saddam would of believed that he had a spy in his circle…and just like 1991 he would have taken them out and shot them
was saddam going to tell the truth? NO…did saddam tell the truth? NO…did saddam have more ties with Chiraq then he ever had with rummy? YES
have a good night
Carlyle
You wrote:
About George W’s intelligence. It is suspected that the main reason members of species homo sapiens have such large brains is to handle the complexity of social interactions in large communities. With other primate species, brain size is correlated with the size of the communities in which they live.
I suspect George W is low in those brain functions measured by IQ tests and that are related to analysing networks of cause and effect, but he may be high in others that IQ tests do not measure related to social interaction and obtaining allies.
I think you kind of miss the point. GWB is a product of selective breeding. The sort that produces generations of upper-class twits in the UK, whose family money entitles them to a kind of, well, assisted living that has nothing to do with brain size and everything to do with accidents of birth. It is simply an accident of birth that he was born into the Bush family fortunes and was given the connections that come from going to the right schools and joining the right clubs and doing what those who came before him told him to do. His prize was the key to the kingdom and this has nothing to do with his abilities or competencies or even his own desires. He did what he was programmed to do. No more and no less.
Carlyle Moulton 1, May 25, 2009 at 9:18 pm
About George W’s intelligence. . . . but he may be high (with)in others . . . .
That I can agree with.
About George W’s intelligence. It is suspected that the main reason members of species homo sapiens have such large brains is to handle the complexity of social interactions in large communities. With other primate species, brain size is correlated with the size of the communities in which they live.
I suspect George W is low in those brain functions measured by IQ tests and that are related to analysing networks of cause and effect, but he may be high in others that IQ tests do not measure related to social interaction and obtaining allies.
Carlyle Moulton 1, May 25, 2009 at 9:03 pm
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“He is a successful businessman”.
My impression is that George W (ie George II) was never successful at business but that people wishing to curry favour with George H W or with the potential future power himself bailed out his failures or gave him preferential deals.
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Cheney is the sucessful one, opps. mea culpa, mea culpa. smiting my chest three times.
GeoII, was never successful at anything, not even getting hi. It was not until he got involved in the Rangers with 1.8 percent interest (money loaned to him) that the MLB commissioner wanted to keep the Rangers with a Texas owner that he was eventually given another 10 percent share (Presidential in my math) then the sale went through.
Think about this Prescott voted against going against Adolph Hilter. Why? Money. back in the 40’s he was given 1.5 million for less than 1 share of 1 company that was seized by the US.
A Y
“He is a successful businessman”.
My impression is that George W (ie George II) was never successful at business but that people wishing to curry favour with George H W or with the potential future power himself bailed out his failures or gave him preferential deals.
CM,
He is a successful business man. GeoI was almost as unsuccessful as his grandfather Prescott Bush, but then he made a shit load of money trading with Hitler. Most of Prescott’s assets were seized during WWI as trading with the enemy acts. Now Herbert Walker, whom W was named after was a merciless business man. I wonder if W’s mother has more balls than his father. I am reading a book about that right now.
It is also interesting that Prescott’s money was used to finance a steel corp that built Auschwitz and others.
It is increasingly obvious that George W Bush really is low IQ religious loon and that the real power in his administration was Dick Cheney.
“Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure.” – Abraham Lincoln
The link below is to the Institute of Public Accuracy.
A response to George Magog Bush’s, 2003 “State of the Union.”
http://www.accuracy.org/article.php?articleId=1030
The experts have some insightful editorial about this speech. Sixty days later our country attacked a sovereign state. Lincoln was a smart guy, or so I’ve read somewhere.
chris,
I am sure GeoI was misquoted as you see he is too stupid to speak french. Maybe tried, I am sure, but I am sure he was just misunderstood. You know those french people they always overreact to everything. You know that they mission is accomplished it was a short term investment of solider and time.
What we are doing now is defending the aggressions of those people and the alkida has to be stopped from committing acts of aggression against the US. Don’t you see?
“Confirmed in Chirac’s OWN BOOK. Wow, must be TRUE…..LOL.”
Mahmoud Abbas told a similar story from June, 2003 – that god told Bush to invade Iraq & Afghanistan.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html
GWLawSchoolMom
I appreciate what you have had to say.
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gwen 1, May 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Mike Appleton, did you know Presdient Lincoln was a witch?
Sure, I read it in a book…..by a French guy…….
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I do not believe that he was a witch he was a spiritualist.
Mike Appleton, did you know Presdient Lincoln was a witch?
Sure, I read it in a book…..by a French guy…….
I agree with Horatio; Chirac is writing a book and this lie helps sell a few thousand more books.
A couple of protest songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgj7mgM1Qzc
No one could have predicted …+
Turley & Greenwald Constitutional Hour
OOOhh, What time and place? Count me in.
FF LEO, the producer owes you 10%.
One hopes that if nothing else of value comes out of the Bush years, the public will at least demand that government divorce itself from the absurdity of fundamentalist religious ideology.
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As it should be with no doubt!
Again:
Rumsfeld felt it was “vague,” that it “might not mean something,” and that there was “no good basis for hanging hat.”
Horatio’s comments are particularly striking to me. One of the interesting phenomenons accompanying the steady stream of revelations regarding the Bush White House is the psychological inability of many of his supporters to come to grips with the fact that this man could make life and death decisions based upon fundamentalist biblical interpretations. Despite the confirmation from numerous sources over the years that Mr. Bush regarded himself as chosen by God to be president, Horatio’s first reaction is to direct a sarcastic response based upon his disdain for the French. This sort of denial characterizes the comments of many who refuse to understand the extent to which government over the past decade has become increasingly polluted by the semi-literate prophecies of the half educated. It is hardly coincidental that the only remaining citadel of this sort of apocalyptic disingenuity is the southeastern United States, the one remaining outpost of Republican evangelicalism. One hopes that if nothing else of value comes out of the Bush years, the public will at least demand that government divorce itself from the absurdity of fundamentalist religious ideology.