There is an interesting controversy brewing over the current version of the health care bill in which Amish families are exempted from the mandatory coverage. Other groups may also receive exemptions.
For some Americans who do not want to pay for health insurance (but face a fine under the law), the exemptions are likely to trigger challenges. Why should an Amish person be allowed exemption, but not someone with political or philosophical opposition to the insurance?
The Amish do use medical facilities and regular doctors, but they pay in cash. They believe that such care is the primary responsibility of their church.
The question is why religious conscientious objectors are given exemptions but not secular conscientious objectors. There are plenty of people who have profound objections to this plan that are not religious based. Is it far to allow only faith-based objectors to get exemptions so that some Christians can apply but not Cato members?
Congress can probably prevail in such distinctions (much like conscientious objectors to the draft), but it raises in my view a legitimate question of fairness.
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30%er:
from Websters 1828 dictionary:
1. Exemption from misfortune, sickness, calamity or evil; the enjoyment of health and the common blessings of life; prosperity; happiness; applied to persons.
It does not say to be provided by the government. Your reading is incorrect (you also don’t do so well when you play Bible verse with Mespo). It is a state of being, not a state to be achieved by the intervention of the state. It is passive you are exempted, it is nothing that is being done to you or nothing you are doing to achieve it. It [welfare] is a state of being.
The founders ordered our society so that we could achieve that state for ourselves by our own efforts. I think the entire founding gives credence to my assertion.
A little hint, when you are trying to figure out the meaning of a word you need to see what it meant in the time in which it was used. English has gone through many iterations to get where it is today. You seem to have a blind spot about this as Mespo pretty much pointed out the same problem in the Haiti thread.
On the basis of this, I shall henceforth assume you are uneducated except in relation to the bible which you seem to be able to parrot but not fully understand. So I guess you arent really even educated in that respect either. I think it might be helpful to you to quit reading Jim and Tammy Faye Baker’s “101 Biblical Quotations You Can Use to Impress Your Friends and Relatives” and start reading Aquinas and Augustine.
AY you are too much, which is better than not enough.
Fact. We’re already printing, borrowing and throwing or planning to throw trillions at;
1. Wars we don’t need to be in
2. Big Insurance Companies
3. The Banks
4. Big Corporations
My suggestion?
We take some of that money, and put it towards taking care of the American people.
“30%er says just print money to everything. It devalues the dollar. So what he says. So for every dollar you deposit in your bank account the less it becomes and the less it will by.
All based on theory.” Byrons other handle
No, thats not what I said.
I said that we were ALREADY DOING it.
Since we’re ALREADY doing it, lets throw it at the American people instead of the insurance companies, the wars, the BANKS, big corporations, etc.
THATS what I said troll.
Try to be honest next time in your posting.
Affordable food.
Affordable shelter.
And affordable medical treatment.
These are three basic core tenets of “FARING WELL”.
One cannot fare well, without them.
Bdaman12,
Used to be Bdaman11 but you now have posted under another nom de plume. You may not post under a singular name as I and that is agreed, however, in the totality of all of your posting you exceed all else combined.
That white stuff really gives you that much more energy, yes Bdaman12?
That Home Study Lobotomy course you did at all by yourself? It is very much evident in your actions, words and deeds. You see it did not work too well for others?
Next time try the electromagnetic therapy, I understand you will get a charge out of it. As a matter of fact a real rush. But don’t try standing on your feet while doing it again. Its a KO for the floor. But you are indeed familiar with that, yes?
The meaning of the word “welfare” is to “fare well”.
It does not mean simply happiness as your red herring suggests.
It means to fare well and its meant that since the 14th century.
Here, since you like basing arguments on half truths, lets give you the whole truth.
From Websters:
Main Entry: 1wel·fare
Pronunciation: \ˈwel-ˌfer\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from the phrase wel faren to fare well
Date: 14th century
1 : the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
2 a : aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need b : an agency or program through which such aid is distributed
So hmmm, gee, you say it means basically just happiness…and you’re really smart…..but….Websters says it means to “fare well” and it has to do with;
1. DOING WELL
2. GOOD FORTUNE
3. HAPPINESS
4. WELL BEING
5. PROPSERITY
Now, just looking at the first primary definitions we see that “DOING WELL” comes first.
“Doing well” is a question oft asked of the sick and injured.
“How is she….is she doing well after the operation?”
“I heard she had a fall….is she doing well now?”.
You can’t be doing well if you’re sick or injured and cannot afford to see a doctor.
Good fortune. Not too much good fortune if you’re sick or injured and can’t afford medical treatment.
Happiness. Who’s happy when they’re sick or injured and can’t get medical treatment?
And then of course there’s this one you left out.
WELL BEING.
That one of course speaks for itself.
And finally prosperity. You cannot be prosperous if you’re sick in bed and cannot afford medical treatment.
“go get a dictionary from around 1820 and look at the definition of welfare, it basically means happiness.” Byron
Well thats not quite accurate but nonetheless, please explain to us all how one can be “happy” with a broken arm and no doctor to set it.
No thats a good recycle policy Byron. It’s the same as fly ash and the bones teeth ect will help it cure faster because of calcium or reinforcement mesh. Probably would have to use a low slump though. Of course when your dead you are already have a low slump as in over. Hanging my head down now.
leave it to me to be thinking about making a buck off the departed.
I have a good idea for funerals though, for architects and engineers, cremation and then mixed with concrete and poured into the top couple of floors of concrete high rises. You could charge by the view. The concrete on the spandrel beams would be more costly than the interior slab concrete. I doubt the ash would cause a reduction in strength but you would have to separate any teeth, metal, fillings or bone fragments
In 30-50 years you would be recycled into road sub-grade or dumped in the ocean for an artificial reef.
Amon Re:
“I am a gay midwestern funeral director”
You dont live in Clayton, MO do you? My aunt lived next to a family that ran a funeral home. It looked to me, even at a tender age, that death was well compensating.
BTW that was a post from empirecookie to AY121 in this thread I just expanded it.
Sorry duh12 my bad
SWARTHMOREMOM:
I just noticed that as well, thanks. I guess it was a Freudian slip. You know how crazy we pickup driving, gun toting, capitalists are.
bdaman, That’s hijacking! If the thread discussion global warming was very old or very dead, that would be another story. Please post updates in the appropriate thread.
AY – It’s not too bad really. Not 74 degrees, more like 32. But that’s above freezing, which is a bit unusual this time of year. So it’s all good. Except listening to the US health care debate made me want to taser myself
Global Warming, I mean Cooling. I mean Climate Change
FYI Joe Bastardi says the 1st 10-15 days of Feb. will be similar to the 1st 10-15 days of Jan. So hold onto your hats cause it aint over. Australia for the first time in recorded history got snow 2 days ago in the middle of summer. Can anyone say, iceage cometh.
Here it is AY
Amon Re
1, January 18, 2010 at 4:00 pm
AY I have posted before, admittidly not with your volume,which I always enjoy.I dont pretend to be a scholar like Mephisto, or brillant as BIL and I couldnt write a word of poetry or even remotely try to keep up with some of the great thinkers of this group….I dont expect to agree with everyone all the time heck I seldom agree with Bryon but I enjoy his remarks non the less.
Im just a gay midwestern funeral director who happens to have a very liberal tilt,,I have admired the Prof since the first time I heard him on KO. If I offended you by what I wrote I apologize to you, but I will not to those who waste my time with drivel.
It is the opposite of that Byron.
If the corporation known as the United States was traded, would you buy stock in it today?
note to self, short Merk and Phizer if brown looks like he might win.