Graham: “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham appeared to confirm this week one of the greatest fears for civil libertarians in the aftermath of the burning of the Qu’ran (Koran) by Rev. Terry Jones. With Muslims murdering innocent people as a protest to the book burning, Senator Graham has called for Congress to go hold people accountable for such acts. The message is clear and predictable: if someone’s exercise of free speech has caused problems, limit the free speech.

In the video above, Graham states “I wish we could find a way to hold people accountable.” He stresses “[f]ree speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, neither he nor his colleagues ever bothered to declare war. Likewise, Obama did not even consult with Congress before going to war in Libya.

Fortunately, the Constitution still exists to bar such impulses against free speech. Notably, however, China is arresting people who are viewed as destabilizing the country with their art and ideas. Now some members of Congress want to join countries in a type of criminal blasphemy law — an idea that Obama appeared to accept in supporting a resolution under pressure from Arab allies on protecting religion from critics.

Free speech is designed to protect us against our own leaders — like Sen. Graham. It is not enjoyed at the whim of the U.S. Senate. And, by the way, the diaper genie is a “great idea.” Free speech is what defines us as a people.

Jonathan Turley

303 thoughts on “Graham: “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.””

  1. Kay,

    What OS said.

    You need to let this go and get a life.

    Living in the past is a recipe for pain and future failure.

  2. Kay,

    File Bankruptcy….ok…case closed…You are pissed…but get over it…if your credit is ruined…generally 10 years later you are clean…should be 7 but hey…the Credit Bureaus have there own god…Believe this or not you are a much better credit risk after you have filed than before…it will take you 7 to 8 years to be able to file again…get it?

  3. Hall and Evans filed in Dane County Court and claims I owe them money but they didn’t file a rule 11 motion. They filed in Dane County that I was their customer.

    Faegre & Benson didn’t file a Rule 11 motion but they also filed a foreign judgment in Dane County Court

  4. The magistrate’s report and recommendation is on PACER
    Case 1:05-cv-01283-RMU Document 27-3 Filed 09/08/2005 Page 1 of 26

    He said that sua sponte he had the authority to order me to pay photo copying. Then he said that he was ordering me to pay all attorney fees no matter what for. He ordered me to pay a lawfirm that wasn’t even formed during my lawsuit for the bills, which were not itemized, of a lawyer who filed that he was pro se. He ordered me to pay 12K to Lettunich & Vanderbloemen. They did not file a notice of appearance in the case. David Brougham of Hall & Evans said in a court hearing that Anthony Lettunich has never appeared in a federal court in his entire life. Brougham filed some bills from Lettunich in D of Colorado 02 1050 as part of document 465. I only have a few pages. I asked for a copy and the court clerk said all three copies are missing from the court files. They didn’t include them in their 10th Circuit appendix. But they filed them in Dane County court and claim they are a lien on my deed.

  5. Wow! I take a day to baby sit my grandsons and I miss a lot!
    OS,
    I can’t tell you how many times I heard my kids tell me to get a life!

  6. I am convinced that my defendants in Steamboat thought they could get me to commit suicide.

    I didn’t lose my case, I was denied a judgment on the merits.

    My original case was for retaliatory acts that adversely affected my ability to earn an income. I didn’t get an airing of disputed facts so not only did I not get any cash judgment I didn’t get any chance to prove that I wasn’t imaging buildings that didn’t exist. Buildings that can actually be touched and seen from the street.

    The attorney fee judgment which is over $100 K is a huge problem for fee and isn’t going away on its own.

    What kind of more trouble do you think I will be in? Will they sent a hired killer?

  7. Kay,

    Now is the basis of your suit Attorney Fees? What was the underlying case you had filed that sanctioned you attorney fees….Ok…answer this…thats all….

    Next, You filed a new suit based upon the attorney fee award? You have to be fucking kidding me….

    Last, Do you understand why they do not let Pro Se Litigants the opportunity to Orate Arguments….It has taken me nearly a year to finally get you to say what the suit was about….

  8. Kay, no one wants you to off yourself. You have been, and continue to be, your own worst enemy. If you would just accept the fact you lost your case and go on with your life, you would be happier. I do know one thing, and I do not even know you personally, if you keep this up, you are going to find yourself in even more trouble.

    As my granddaughter says when she is annoyed with someone, “Get a life.” I interpret that as letting go of a problem and moving on with one’s life.

  9. I always did obey procedural directions too. The only time I got one I objected to was when there was an order to show cause as to why I should be able to file a motion for summary judgment. Then I went to the U.S. Law library and looked up Moore’s Federal Procedure and quoted that.

  10. I didn’t lecture a federal circuit judge on what the law is. When I filed in the court of appeals I was not allowed an oral hearing. In fact, most federal courts of appeals don’t allow pro se litigants oral hearings.

  11. Maybe but I don’t have a choice other than suicide which I don’t want. They left me with no acceptable option but to continue. With the baseless attorney fee shifting judgment (which they are not attempting to collect through the federal courts) they ruined my credit rating and my business and by stating that I couldn’t represent myself and putting that on the Internet they severely affected my ability to support myself. So I have no choice but to attempt to represent myself in court unless some lawyer wants to get the attorney fees available from the Privacy Act or the court appoints a lawyer.

    I don’t hate lawyers in general and there is no reason for lawyers to hate me.

  12. Kay, your hubris is breathtaking. Some of the best legal experts in the country write on this blog, and you are arguing you know more about the law than they do? Amazing. I can just see it now. You lecture a Federal Circuit Judge on what the law is and will not follow the Court’s instructions or shut up when told. A perfect recipe for an extended visit to the crowbar hotel.

  13. BIL, I never have to use Shepard’s myself, thanks to Lexus and Westlaw. Besides, I usually tell the lawyer I work with what I need and let them to the legal research for me. I have my own areas where I am the expert, but I leave the law to experts on the law. Unlike the character in that Dirty Harry movie, I know my own limitations. Some other folks we could name apparently did not take Dirty Harry’s advice.

  14. Kay,

    Asking someone to prove a negative is a formal logical fallacy, specifically in this instance an error known as denying the antecedent.

    If P, then Q.
    Not P.
    Therefore, not Q.

    If a statute, then it’s law.
    Not a statute.
    Therefore, not law.

    This is an invalid form of argument as law comes from many sources other than statute, including case law.

  15. Well I asked Professor Turley and he said that he had to hire an assistant to help him with his litigation but that that didn’t reflect on my case.

  16. Kay, there is a tangible reason no lawyer would touch your case, or you, with a pole of any length. There is not enough money in the PowerBall lottery for you to come up with a retainer large enough to get a reputable, or sane, lawyer to take your case. Did you ever stop your obsessive ans self-righteous navel gazing long enough to wonder why?

  17. Like you said Bill ” in this case the equivalent of asking me to prove a negative because no such statute exists ergo no such statute is the basis for the judge’s authority other than the general grant of authority to sanction you or hold you in contempt as found in 18 U.S.C. § 401″

    Congress limits the contempt authority of the court.

    When there is imprisonment then there is DOJ because the AG supervises the jails and that means there must be published procedure as quoted above.

  18. OS,

    You are correct. She has never cited case law to my knowledge either. But let’s be honest about Shepard’s though. It can bite even the most experienced attorney on the ass! Especially if you are doing it old school with the books and inevitably cannot find the one edition that you need because some student or other lawyer has run off with it. That’s one job that Westlaw and Lexis sure makes easy.

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