-Submitted by David Drumm (Nal), Guest Blogger
Norwegian television has identified a suspect in the shooting spree on the island Utoya as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, describing him as a member of “right-wing extremist groups in eastern Norway.” The shooting at the youth camp has reportedly resulted in more than 80 deaths.
In his Facebook account, now deleted, he describes himself as having Christian, conservative views. He also has a Twitter account with only one tweet, a quote from philosopher John Stuart Mills: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.”
If the reports are accurate, don’t expect denunciations of right-wing extremism from Fox News. If the event in Norway had been caused by a Muslim, would Fox News classify it as a terrorist attack instead of a massacre by a madman?
@Mike Spindell, that’s a lovely little strawman argument you just made. Did your mommy ever teach you what a strawman argument is, Mike?
The mark of the tool, or the fool and/or both, is the ability to explain away atrocious behavior by saying the “other side” (pick whichever side) did the same thing. This is simply the childish behavior of one whose maturity has never arrived. It is characteristic of a child of six, who lacks the maturity and sophistication to accept responsibility for actions perpetrated by others. how often do we hear children whose arguments/fights have been broken up whine “they started it”. This has become a common thread today among those on the Right side of the ideological spectrum, but also comes from those on the Left.
Erykah, hardly a left winger writes movingly about this horrific tragedy. she presciently points out that hateful behavior comes from both sides of the political spectrum. I’ve expressed many times that in the 60’s and early 70’s I knew extreme left wing radicals and they disgusted me as much as I felt disgust for any on the Right. If a person needs to justify the bad behavior of those on the political side they’ve chosen, then that person is little more than an automaton intellectually and exhibits childish maturity.
Had this been done by someone of the left, my disgust would be just as great. Murder of innocents to gain attention for one’s cause is never justified and is the work of a lunatic mentality, that sees the “other” as less than human. If a person is not able to see the precious humanity of all human beings, despite their beliefs, then that person themselves is somewhat less then human.
@OS, I’m not defending this loon. We don’t even know if he is even “right-wing” yet. I’m just noting your and the other’s typical lefty hypocrisy. Apparently, I’ve hit a nerve. I hope it doesn’t affect your gloating during this tragedy.
Just listened to NPR and the person interviewed this mass murderer and said he appeared coherent and the one thing I am trying to get out of my head….He said something along the lines of “He will be remembered as a hero….in time to come….”
What do you call these type of people…..
Here is a link to 2083 A European Declaration of Independence
In looking over various articles on the Internet, it appears the organized right wing has doubled down on defending Anders Behring Breivik and his ideas. An article has just been posted on Daily Kos that tracks some of the origins and cites some of the better known apologists. There is also a link to 2083 A European Declaration of Independence . It runs about 1,100 pages and is PDF format. Some have actually read it. I have not had time to read it, but am in the process of downloading it in another tab and will go over it later.
In coming days, look for more nationalist type propaganda vilifying multiculturalism, immigrants, diversity and ethnic “others.”
Sources:
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/the-political-ideas-of-anders-behring-breivik/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/24/998052/-Right-Wing-DEFENDS-Anders-Behring-Breivik?via=siderecent
kd, stop being an apologist for the right wing terrorist in Norway. It makes you look as nutty as those you are apologizing for. Got tell your handlers the regular readers of this blog are smarter than to buy the bullshit you are peddling.
You can do all the mental and verbal gymnastics you wish. You are convincing no one. You make no points.
@Henman, what is a doctinaire right wing hater? What views do they hold? And what views did Breivik hold that are consistent with being a doctrinaire right wing hater?
Kderosa-
I’m waiting for you to tell us that Anders Behring Breivik is the second coming of Howard Roark. In the face of mounting evidence that Breivik is a doctrinaire right-wing hater, like yourself, you are reduced to trying to insult the bloggers here. Everyone is stupid but you. To paraphrase another Ayn Rand title- The Turley Bloggers Shrugged.
Norway suspect deems killings atrocious but needed
By Victoria Klesty and Gwladys Fouche |
Reuters
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html
Excerpt:
SUNDVOLLEN, Norway (Reuters) – A suspected right-wing fanatic accused of killing at least 92 people deemed his acts “atrocious” yet “necessary” as Norway mourned victims of the nation’s worst attacks since World War Two.
Police were hunting on Sunday to see if a possible second gunman took part in the shooting massacre and bomb attack on Friday that traumatized a normally peaceful Nordic country.
In his first comment via a lawyer since he was arrested, 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik expressed willingness to explain himself in court at a hearing likely to be held on Monday about extending protective custody.
“He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary,” lawyer Geir Lippestad told independent TV2 news.
Police said Breivik gave himself up after admitting to a massacre in which at least 85 people died, mostly young people attending a summer camp of the youth wing of Norway’s ruling Labour Party on an idyllic island.
Breivik was also arrested for the bombing of Oslo’s government district that killed seven people hours earlier. Norway’s toughest sentence is 21 years in jail.
Survivors, relatives of those killed and supporters planned a procession to mourn the dead at Sundvollen on Sunday, near the island where the massacre took place.
King Harald would attend a service in Oslo cathedral, a few hundred meters (yards) from where a bomb devastated government buildings including the offices of Labour Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg.
Police said they were seeking several missing people and the toll could rise to 98, in the worst case.
Kdaponzi,
At least you have hope. I think most if not everyone that has read what you have pasted has deemed you hopeless….. I bid you well in your psychotic state. Take you meds tonight and tomorrow maybe better….
@AY, might have the capacity, though the odds are getting slimmer with each of your posts, I’m losing hope.
KaDapanzee,
You said this:
“kderosa
1, July 23, 2011 at 6:02 pm
@AY What I said was that “You might learn something” which clearly leaves lots of leeway for your failing to understand what you read.”
At least you are admitting that I at least have the capacity to comprehend….You on the other hand…still deny the gestalt theory…..but what is that to you anyways…
kdepends,
You sound a lot like Rush and Not So Brietbart when you say this…
“Muslim zealots kill, Muslims celebrate and conservative Christians are angry.
Christian zealots kill, lefties gloat. Odd.
How come no one has tied sarah Palin into this one yet, like was attempted with Jared Lee Loughner?
Just sayin’.”
Don’t you understand…no one said that the children should be targeted and draw a scope and cross hair…..much like you’d see in a rifle….Come on you can admit at least this ….Kadapanzee…..
This on is so much better……….You have to agree….right?
Norwegian massacre gunman was a right-wing extremist who hated Muslims
– Suspect named by Norwegian media as Anders Behring Breivik
– Police believe he is not connected to Islamist organisations
– Claims he boasted online about having talks with English Defence League
– ‘Loner’ lived with mother in a wealthy suburb and is well-educated
– Reports say he attended same school as Norway’s crown prince
– Posted on Twitter: ‘One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests’
– Farm business gave him easy access to fertiliser – an ingredient used in bomb-making
– Police say he is a ‘very demanding suspect’
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 1:02 AM on 24th July 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html
Excerpt:
The man responsible for the massacre in Norway was a member of a Swedish nazi forum which encourages attacks on government buildings.
It was also revealed by local police that he had extreme right wing views who hated Muslims.
According to Swedish website Expo Anders Behring Breivik is a member of ‘Nordisk’ which has 22,000 members and focuses on political terrorism.
Officers also found a series of raving internet posts by the 32-year-old, who has been charged with two counts of terrorism after gunning down children on the island of Utoya and detonating a bomb in Oslo yesterday.
Media reports in Norway described Breivik as a ‘loner’, who lived with his mother in a wealthy suburb of west Oslo, was well-educated and enjoyed hunting.
Only a few days ago he set up a Twitter account and posted a single message: ‘One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests’.
It is attributed to the English philosopher John Stuart Mill, whose concept of liberty justified the freedom of the individual in opposition to unlimited state control.
The account appears to have only been set up a few days ago.
On his Facebook profile, Breivik describes himself as a Christian and a conservative.
It also listed interests such as body-building and freemasonry.
lotta,
A horrific tragedy to say the least.
erykah: “I remember the Oklahoma City bombing and how unsettling it was and how unsafe I felt. My knees buckled when I first saw the magnitude of that destruction from my living room television. …. My thoughts and prayers are with the Norwegians. The road to healing will be a slow and tough one. God bless Norway!”
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When I saw the first pictures I too had a flashback moment to ‘holy shit- that looks like Oklahoma City!” and my relief- very short lived- that there were comparatively so few casualties. This is a terrible tragedy and I second your thoughts and prayers for the Norwegians.
Jack, “cheap-shot a news station?”
First, Fox is hardly a news station and second, Fox is it’s own cheap shot. Here’s a comment from one of the two AP stories on the Norway bombing reprinted by foxnews.com:
“scottnmead 5 minutes ago
Brother conservatives. Lets stop_pussy_footing around here. This is what we need to to. If we dont Liberals will one day return to the White House. They have lost power before and years later returned. Lets not pass this problem off to our children. We have to do something harsh to rid ourselves forever. You fear of hurting feelings I say your weak. I say if thats how you feel you are just as week as Liberals. This man did what we need to do. I have the guts to say it and you know many of you who stand on the right with me believe so too. Remember we have God on our side. We dont_kill_our children before they are born, we dont support gays we dont believe in taxes. Now please grab your guns and lets get to work.”
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You won’t find that kind of illness on display here.
Also, yesterday’s opinion on the tragedy is still up today and not corrected nor has an additional opinion been published examining the nature of say, right-wing terrorism. I like how the esteemed director of the Heritage Foundation’s center for foreign policy study speculate that no one would be surprised if it was Islamist terrorism but fails to address the actual title of his opinion. Except by speculating that no one would be surprised to find out it was those nasty, sneaky Islamists. LOL, now that’s a cheap shot by a master.
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“How to Make Sense of What Happened In Oslo
By James Jay Carafano
Published July 22, 2011
| FoxNews.com
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A devastating bombing in Oslo, followed by an armed assault outside the city sparked another explosion–one of speculation over who was behind the attack. Such conjecture is axiomatic after such incidents—but until there is evidence to back it up—it is all just guessing. The instant analyses and “lessons learned” now spewing forth may not hold water once the facts are in.
No one—terrorism expert or man-in-the-street—will be surprised if the attacks are linked to Islamist terrorists. There are plenty reasons to believe Norway might be a target. An Al Qaeda cell was unmasked there last year. And just a few days ago, Norway indicted a radical Iraqi cleric Mullah Krekar, (founder of Ansar al-Islam) for making death threats against Norwegian officials.
But speculation adds little value to the hard work of fighting terrorists. Nor is it usually necessary in the wake of these kinds of attacks. …”
James Jay Carafano is director of The Heritage Foundation’s Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies.
What an absolutely stupid thread! You want to turn a complete tragedy into a chance to cheap-shot a news station? Seriously? What’s wrong with you?
Definition of TERRORISM
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.
Merriam-Webster.
The lack of standard usage of specific terms across national borders makes it difficult to get an accurate picture of native terrorism in any country. Britain is plagued by “hate crimes” against persons of color, immigrants and homosexuals but their “terrorism” figures are in the single digits. How many hate crimes, undertaken by persons unified or organized by nothing more than their bigotry and perpetrated by small groups, does it take before their victims feel justly that a terror campaign is being perpetrated against them?
Even if using the term “hate crime” is more accurate than “terrorism” the use of the term “hate crime” is politically problematic. Many assaults that are in fact hate-crimes can be chalked up to simple assault or hooliganism of some kind. For these reasons I don’t take any stats regarding terrorism as reliable or accurate and believe that crimes listed for statistical purposes as hate crimes are no doubt far lower that actual incidents of hat crimes.
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“Hate crime figures paint a grim portrait of life in Britain”
“A detailed picture of hate crime in England and Wales was revealed for the first time yesterday with new figures showing that more than 52,000 incidents were recorded last year.
Nearly 45,000 incidents of race-related hate crime were reported to the police while almost 5,000 people were the victims of crime because of their sexuality.
The numbers, released by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), represents the first time that hate crimes have been accurately calculated over a calendar year and broken down into types of discrimination.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hate-crime-figures-paint-a-grim-portrait-of-life-in-britain-2148025.html