Karzai Accuses U.S. of Colluding With Taliban on Attacks

225px-hamid_karzai_2004-06-14There’s crazy and then there is Karzai crazy. Afghan President Hamid Karzai spoke this weekend and accused the United States of colluding with . . . the Taliban. It was an odd accusation from a man who said that he wished that he had joined the Taliban against the United States as American soldiers were dying in the field and the American people were pouring billions into this corrupt family and country. Notably, however, Karzai does put the lie to the Administration’s heralding how the President is trying to pull out troops from Afghanistan when reports indicated that the Administration has been trying to get Karzai to let more troops stay in the country.

Karzai insists that the U.S. wants more attacks to occur to justify keeping troops in the country — a reflection of the private pressure from the Administration to keep troops in the country. Karzai announced “Those bombs that went off in Kabul and Khost were not a show of force to America. They were in service of America. It was in the service of the 2014 slogan to warn us if they (Americans) are not here then Taliban will come . . . In fact those bombs, set off yesterday in the name of the Taliban, were in the service of Americans to keep foreigners longer in Afghanistan.”

Of course, we will continue to pour money into the country and the Karzai family coffers. Despite the overwhelming unpopularity of our presence, no one wants to leave the appearance of a failure in our war in the country.

Yes, it is absurd to think of the U.S. collaborating with the Taliban for attacks. In the last day, two more Americans were killed by an insider attack. However, there remains a disconnect between the President heralding his determination to pull out troops (which should have occurred at the beginning of his term) and the reports of our being forced to leave the country.

For his part, Defense Secretary Hagel went out of his way to praise Karzai and simply noted his claim “wouldn’t make a lot of sense.” In other words, sure he is crazy but he is U.S. approved crazy.

Of course, it is certifiably crazy to see any discernible plan in Afghanistan. Karzai makes the joker look remarkably sane:

Source: CNN

42 thoughts on “Karzai Accuses U.S. of Colluding With Taliban on Attacks”

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  2. “Afghan President Hamid Karzai spoke this weekend and accused the United States of colluding with . . . the Taliban.” — Jonathan Turley

    To paraphrase slightly an old psychiatrist’s joke: ,

    “Just because South Vietnam’s President Nguyen Van Thieu was paranoid, doesn’t mean that his American “ally,” Henry Kissinger, wasn’t negotiating secretly behind his back in Paris for three years with the North Vietnamese Communist Le Duc Tho.”

    From a somewhat different perspective, I read a thoroughly jaded comment yesterday on another discussion forum to the effect that “the U.S. government doesn’t have anyone smart enough to negotiate with the Taliban.” After all, when the recently defrocked General David Petraeus ran things in Afghanistan a few years ago, he tried negotiating secretly with the Taliban and wound up getting duped by some nobody imposter.

    When it comes to treacherous dealings with its foreign puppets, the issue for the United States government concerns not the existence of duplicity, but rather the lack of competence in carrying it through to a worthwhile conclusion — like getting the hell out of Afghanistan and returning to the proper and peaceful business of the nation. Afghan President Hamid Karzai can always join the Taliban, make deals with the drug-running warlords, and/or go to live in Dubai with his family and American money any time he so chooses. Who knows? He could even wind up running a small convenience store in Huntington Beach, California, just like former South Vietnamese Premier Nguyen Cao Ky. Your tax dollars at work, fellow Crimestoppers.

  3. “Karzai insists that the U.S. wants … to justify keeping troops in the country — a reflection of the private pressure from the Administration …” — Jonathan Turley.

    Judging from the public statements and well-publicized leaks coming from highly placed Pentagon spokespersons and their media sycophants, this would seem obvious to the casual observer. As for the particular instances of behind-the-back double-dealing that the dependent puppet may suspect its bad patron of perpetrating in its own (but not the puppet’s) interest:

    “In the provinces a rumor circulated that the Americans had forced the Thieu government to accept the new [Draft] law in order to better carry out their real intention of killing as many Vietnamese as possible; another rumor was that the Americans were attempting to prolong the war in order to maintain a market for their surplus goods. The second rumor was an answer to what for many Vietnamese was the most puzzling question of all: why, with all its great power, had the United States not won the war already?” [emphasis added] Fire in the Lake: the Vietnamese and the Americans in Vietnam (1972)

    Professor Turley apparently seems unable to grasp the fact that the illiterate, weak, impoverished people in countries like Vietnam and Afghanistan take the U.S. military and its Commander-in-Brief literally when they proclaim themselves “the most powerful military the world has ever seen.” Therefore, the little foreign people reason: if “the greatest military in the world” cannot defeat in short order a rag-tag assortment of barely armed peasants in black pajamas (or the Afghan equivalent) then only one thing can explain this: namely, that “the world’s greatest military” doesn’t actually want to defeat the “dead enders” (Rumsfeld) “in their last throes” (Cheney) and simply wishes to continue the “war” for as long as possible — by which we mean “profitable.”

    Professor Turley may consider such reasoning “crazy,” but puppet leaders like Hamid Karzai have to recognize and address it, while American military and civilian leaders labor mightily for decades to see that the American people don’t.

  4. “After Karzai was installed into power, his actual authority outside the capital city of Kabul was said to be so limited that he was often derided as the “Mayor of Kabul”. The situation was particularly delicate since Karzai and his administration have not been equipped either financially or politically to influence reforms outside of the region around Kabul. Other areas, particularly the more remote ones, have historically been under the influence of various local leaders. Karzai has been, to varying degrees of success, attempting to negotiate and form amicable alliances with them for the benefit of Afghanistan as a whole, instead of aggressively fighting them and risking an uprising.” — Wikipedia

    The United States military, on the other hand, insists on aggressively fighting — i.e., killing or incarcerating — the common citizenry and factional leaders whom President Karzai must accommodate in order to avoid an uprising by broadening his popular base of support beyond the outskirts of Kabul — where wealthy Afghans and foreigners reside. But if President Karzai ever achieved such a broad-based political accommodation throughout the country, then he wouldn’t need the American military to protect him from his countrymen whom the United States military has enraged with their nightly home invasions and robot drone assassinations.

    As in Vietnam with our long parade of recalcitrant puppets:

    “The crisis exposed the contradiction between the the Americans’ desire to put the [Saigon government] on its own feet and their desire to maintain some control over [Saigon government] politics.” — Fire in the Lake: the Vietnamese and the Americans in Vietnam (1972)

    The U.S. military government would like the Afghan government to stand up — but only so long as it continues to kneel. Old story. Can’t say that I blame Afghan president Hamid Karzai for resenting this schizophrenic situation — and saying so.

  5. Hi Gene H.,
    Okay, I admit you didn’t describe Pres. Karzai ‘mad’, but some of the comments To say that Pres. Karzai doesn’t have a plan except to survive the presidency is anyone’s guess. I most certainly can’t point to one book or article or speech which makes his intent clear. I believe that he plays the game as things around him evolve and that he is quite adept at it. There is no doubt in my mind that the US put him in the presidency as a maneuver to manipulate their involvement there. It is also clear that Pres. Karzai plays along with the US quite nicely but that he has his limits. His alliance with the now notorious His Asadullah Khalid, is but one example of this. As stated above some people very familiar with the NDS Director say that he is on the CIA’s payroll. There are just too many divisions running between various constituents and that is why Afghanistan never really had a strong central government, except for places like Kabul.

  6. To be clear, Elsie DL, I don’t think Karzai is either mad or stupid. I think, and your in depth post points to this, that he’s pulled in so many directions he often doesn’t know which way is up. He doesn’t have a plan because he can’t plan. He doesn’t have one because he wouldn’t love one that works. He doesn’t have a plan because his daily reality has always been a working example of Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke sage wisdom when he said of military strategy, “No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.”

  7. I read with interest the article and the comments posted in regards to Pres. Karzai’s ‘madness’ and other reasons the US Government wants to remain in Afghanistan. I thought for those interested I’d chime in about some of it. Here is what I gleaned from sources on the ground there as well as lots of reading sources just during the past month (my main sources include Foreign Policy Brief, NYT, the Globe&Mail, the UK Guardian etc. as well as Afghan media sources like Ariana, Tolo and AOP and a few in Pakistan and India as well as the Afghan Analysis Network and human rights organizations): Karzai is ticked off about several issues right now. Firstly, he was promised that the US was going to transfer the notorious Bagram Prison to Afghan oversight with the exception of some very high value detainees. The ceremony of doing this was supposed to happen yesterday, Sunday and Karzai felt very humiliated when the hand-over was canceled last minute. The reason given by the USG and Military was that security wasn’t in place but the real reason is that the US feels peeved at earlier allegations by Karzai and others and still don’t feel he gave them enough assurances he wasn’t going to release most of the detainees. The other issue involves the fear that detainees will be tortured and could be held responsible for torture and abuse under International Law. This is unlikely to happen but with Pres. Obama a bit more willing to respect the ‘rules’ governing transfers (and knowing full well that the Afghan government and its Security Forces, esp. the National Directorate of Security/NDS have been involved in doing just that), there is actually some real push-back against handing over Afghan detainees. The UK is also still reviewing that same detention issue. The UK actually reversed the decision to do so only recently after reports were shared with them that detainees keep being abused and tortured).
    Karzai is also really mad at reports out of Wardak Province, a particular nasty place of Taleban violence, that Special Operation Forces/SOF have looked the other way when the Afghan Special Operation Forces they trained have engaged in brutal murder and disappearance of ‘innocent’ civilians and just Saturday the brutal interrogation by the Afghan SOF of a young university student in Kandahar. Pres. Karzai has demanded for quite a while now that these forces also become part of the government’s oversight. The US is acting like it really doesn’t want that to happen, esp. if they are going to stay after 2014.
    It almost amused me to hear Karzai object to harsh treatment and worse of detainees, considering that the man he favored and got approved in Parliament, Asadullah Khalid, is known as a brutal man himself and stands accused of torturing prisoners himself and ordering the bombing of a UN plane which was carrying five UN workers. (googling Asadullah Khalid’s name and adding torture should help you find out more). People who know Asadullah say he gets paid by the CIA. He replaced Karzai’s brother in Kandahar when he was killed. Asadullah was the victim of a suicide bomber at the end of last year and was seriously but not mortally wounded. He was ultimately transferred to a hospital in VA and his importance was revealed by visits to him from VIP’s like Pres. Obama, Pres. Karzai and Mr. Panetta, now replaced by Mr. Hagel.
    The US really has interfered in attempts at negotiating with the Taleban and yes, they have sent mixed messages over the last years as to whether they find that an acceptable political solution or not. Pres. Karzai should be the one to do so and in my modest opinion is best situated to do so. His ongoing negotiations with the insurgent group is also partly why he is raising, at least publicly, issues as described above re: detention and abuse of civilians at the hands of US SOF
    The last issue which hasn’t received attention in our media is that Pakistan has just finalized a deal with Iran to receive oil from the latter through a pipeline through Afghanistan. Don’t forget that Karzai was involved with Unocal before his appointment to the presidency. The USG is very upset about this deal as it had been pushing for a long time for Pakistan to get oil via the TAPI pipleline: Tajikistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India.
    Karzai already has a PR problem in much of the country and some of what is going on shines an even worse light on him. Let’s also not forget that several officials of the Kabul Bank, under enormous pressure from the US and allies, were recently indicted on charges including corruption and Karzai wasn’t pleased with the pressure. Karzai is also working hard to put forward the next presidential candidate who of course will be somebody he can personally benefit from (as if he hasn’t already). It is in Karzai’s best interest to look as strong and independent as he can to help put forward a ‘friend’. Rumors have the following people interested: our dear friend Mr. Khalizad (former Ambassador the Iraq for the US as well as for Afghanistan; could be he was an evoy); Asadullah Khalid and the brother of famous leader and ‘lion’. Two others may enter the fray including the brother of the ‘lion’, Mr. Massood and female MP and acquaintance of mine, Ms. Fawzia Koofi.
    Secretary of State, Mr. Hagel, is entirely justified in saying that things are ‘complicated’ there! He has his work cut out for him. While I know most of the people commenting here want the US out of Afghanistan, I want to share that our tax payer monies will continue to flow there from what I know.

  8. It is always all about the catolics isn’t it BarkinDog. Here we are at war in some Stan place and you are railing about catolics and dominos. Keep your theories to yourself.

  9. Back in the Vietnam era we were told that thousands of Americans were dying to prevent “the domino effect”. Robert McNamara and some weenie President named Johnboy explained further that if we let the Communists take over Vietnam that they then would take over Burma, Thailand, Malaysia and other countries. At the time I said: Could we give them Japan?”

    I went to church one day with a girlfriend and ti was a catolic church. This Priest was up there with an Arch Bishop and they were saying or singing this:
    “I play dominos, you play dominos, I can beat you at dominos.”

    Then it dawned on me. The catolic countries, including England if you include the church of England as sort of catolic, had gone around and taken over all of these colonies. It was a game of dominios between the catolics and the communists. Now both the catolics and the communists are waning and yet the United States is still trying to play the Pope’s domino game and we cant even sing it right. Now, when you go to church try and hear if they sing anything about Stan countries and if you are in Saint Louis skip by the stuff about Stan the Man.

  10. Conflating the statement “is in service of” with “colluding” doesn’t work unless the point is propaganda. ‘In service of’, ‘Serves to’, ‘Serves the interest of’, ‘Serves the aim of’, is all of one cloth. To say that the attacks of 9-11 served to advance, or worked in service of, the Bush administration’s desire to invade Iraq, is not to say that the Bush administration colluded with the Saudis/al-Qaida to attack America.

    The words and their use are pretty settled to meaning and in that light are not false. There are two diplomatic tracks, at least, in play what is being fed to the American public by the Administration and what the Administration is saying to Karzai. Karzai is talking to the Administration about policies and desires that are not in line with what the Administration is talking about to the citizenry. We really have no idea what is going on regarding political factions and their supporters/funding sources in Pakistan and except for political rhetoric, what the American citizenry wants is not a driver (and hasn’t been for over a decade).

  11. travelinglimey SAID:
    1, March 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    Nice posts Woody, & Dredd too, but could you define ISI? Seems to be Pakistan’s answer to Israel’s Mossad but I’d rather not guess.

    The difference is U.S. is a partner with Mossad – often a junior partner to Mossad – but U.S. is senior partner to ISI.

    BTW – Congratulations. So far none of the NPRers here have accused you of being a Holocaust-denying anti-semite.

  12. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/03/11/us-soldiers-afghan-forces-insider-attack/1977927/


    Expect more tantrums, Dobbins says.

    “These outbursts will probably become somewhat more frequent,” Dobbins says. “They’re more likely to continue because of the converging transitions.”

    They also work — to a degree, according to Dobbins. They often occur after Karzai has raised concerns to U.S. officials in private but feels they aren’t adequately addressed. The outbursts can focus attention on an issue — night raids, for instance, that are resented by many Afghans. Karzai also appears to his domestic audience as a champion of Afghan sovereignty.

    The downside is that pushing too hard and causing a more rapid U.S. withdrawal could force ill-trained Afghan security forces to contend with an insurgency they can’t handle.

    Seth Jones, another RAND analyst who has advised U.S. special operators in Afghanistan, says Karzai’s bouts of pique may also stem from concerns that U.S. diplomats may be seeking to negotiate separately with the Taliban. In 2010, Karzai said he might join the Taliban because he bristled at pressure to reform his government.

    “There appears to be a growing angst within the presidential palace that Afghanistan is vulnerable to foreign governments and groups, such as the Taliban, U.S., and Pakistan,” Jones said in an email. “President Karzai will periodically lash out at these groups and occasionally lump them together – such as condemning both Pakistan and the Taliban together. Now he has lumped the Taliban and U.S. together.”

    Hagel, for his part, said he was once a politician and understands the pressure that Karzai is under.

  13. Karzai is a greedy crook, nothing more, nothing less. This kind of nonsense is just additional evidence that we should be out of there now. Not to mention the two latest servicemen who were killed in eastern Afghanistan.

  14. Karzai is not stupid. He saw a weak new cabinet member and disgraced him on his home field. There is a reason to his “madness.” I think it was a possible very good strategic move. We may see more of this now.

  15. The Pakistani government looks forward to the 2014 withdrawl of US forces in neighboring Afghanistan as a time a whole lot of Taliban will depart Pakistan and return home, takiing their C4 with them.

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