You Say You Want a Revolution?

Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

Eugène_Delacroix_-_La_liberté_guidant_le_peupleMy opinion of the situation in this country is obviously grim if one looks at the themes I tend to write on. As I see it we are either fast becoming a Corporate Feudal Police State, or already have achieved that dubious distinction. I am in favor of a movement towards reversing this situation. There are some issues that can resonate with most Americans and any movement seeking to reverse the anti-Constitutional trends afoot in the U.S. today must find the means to go beyond the falseness of the Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative ideological inanity. We have a corporate two party system, run by an oligarchic elite, whose base disagreement is how to treat those 99% of us, who in their view are the American Peasantry. The Republican Corporatists in effect believe that the majority of Americans should be left to their own devices, while the Democratic Corporatists mildly look for palliatives that won’t disturb their benefactors who are really in charge. Some may say my viewpoint is a radical one and this is possibly so, though the definitions of “radical” have blurred through the years. In my life I’ve spent a number of years as a political activist in one form or another and as I approach the age of 70, I think that my experiences have taught me much about political activism and the potential dangers it brings to the people at large. Right now I find two issues that frighten me for the sake of the future and how my progeny will experience it. The first is the notion of a coming police state and the second is the prospect of a violent, revolutionary upheaval in reaction to it. In other words I see we the People of the United States being between the proverbial “rock and a hard place”.

A study/survey done at Farleigh Dickinson University came out this week done by: Dan Cassino who is a professor of political science it was titled:”BELIEFS ABOUT SANDY HOOK COVER-UP, COMING REVOLUTION UNDERLIE DIVIDE ON GUN CONTROL”.  http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2013/guncontrol/   

“Partisan divisions on gun control go deeper than the legislation being fought over in Congress. Supporters and opponents of gun control have very different fundamental beliefs about the role of guns in American society. Overall, the poll finds that 29 percent of Americans think that an armed revolution in order to protect liberties might be necessary in the next few years, with another five percent unsure. However, these beliefs are conditional on party. Just 18 percent of Democrats think an armed revolution may be necessary, as opposed to 44 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of independents.

Only 38 percent of Americans who believe a revolution might be necessary support additional gun control legislation, compared with 62 percent of those who don’t think an armed revolt will be needed. “The differences in views of gun legislation are really a function of differences in what people believe guns are for,” said Cassino. “If you truly believe an armed revolution is possible in the near future, you need weapons and you’re going to be wary about government efforts to take them away.”

While Professor Cassino did this survey from the perspective of the gun control issue, that is not my focus in this piece. What concerns me is the amount of people who believe that an armed revolution in this country is necessary and what group in our population these people represent. You see I too believe that the changes needed to bring our country in line with the aspirations of our Founding Fathers would be revolutionary; however, I also believe that “armed” revolution never works towards positive changes.

The “American Revolution” and the subsequent Constitutional Republic derived was the first modern example of a revolution against tyranny that worked. Prior to that “revolutions” were in fact coups, where one “King” was replaced by another “King” and tyranny still reigned, whether or not in a more benign form. However, the “American Revolution” was not a classic revolution; it was an example of an uprising against a foreign imperialist power. History is replete with examples of this type of revolt against a foreign power, from the Egyptians throwing off 200 years of Hittite rule 1,300 years ago to the numerous examples of the Afghan rejecting foreign hegemonic rule of their country. To my mind the first major modern revolution was the French Revolution and in the end that revolution replaced a decadent monarchy with a power hungry Emperor. We have seen many modern armed revolutions all over this world since the French Revolution. How many have ended with tyranny replaced by a better form of government? Those since 1900 certainly haven’t produced salutary results.

The Russian Revolution replaced the despicable Romanov Dynasty, with two arguable sociopaths in Lenin and Stalin. They instituted as system that represented a slight improvement in living standard for the serfs, but that was every bit as much a feudal economy as under the Tzars. The nobility was replaced by “The Party” and things devolved to such a point that the USSR became the world’s largest prison camp. Under the Tzars at last my ancestors were able, if not encouraged to leave their accommodations “beyond the pale” and come to a place offering greater freedom and opportunity. Since the end of the “Cold War” Russia has moved away from Communism and towards Fascism, now under a new sociopath, Vladimir Putin.

The Chinese Revolution deposed a crumbling empire, ruled by regional satraps into a Communist State, led by another sociopath, “Chairman Mao” and his henchmen/women. Mao died and he was replaced by a faceless group of Communist Party functionaries who embraced “Capitalism”, which in fact seems to have also gone in the Fascist direction. Having known actual American Stalinists and Maoists in the 60’s, these developments since then have given me a kind of bitter amusement at the correctness of my judgment of those I knew and whose blandishments I rejected. They were a humorless lot, who had difficulty relating to people on any genuine level. Perhaps they too were sociopathic in nature, but I really think it was that they were the type of people who needed some authority to follow in their lives and in those instances chose Marx.

 Many people, perhaps the majority of the populations anyplace are afraid to stand on their own judgment and seek the authority of some political/economic system, or most especially a religion. I wrote about that awhile ago: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/01/21/the-authoritarians-a-book-review-and-book/ . That guest blog was about the “authoritarian mindset” as detailed by the book “The Authoritarians” which was written by Bob Altemeyer, Associate Professor, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada. The book is free incidentally and a link to get it is included in the blog. To quote Professor Altemeyer from his book:

“[A] right-wing authoritarian follower doesn’t necessarily have conservative political views. Instead he’s someone who readily submits to the established authorities in society, attacks others in their name, and is highly conventional. It’s an aspect of his personality, not a description of his politics. Right-wing authoritarianism is a personality trait, like being characteristically bashful or happy or grumpy or dopey. 

 You could have left-wing authoritarian followers as well, who support a revolutionary leader who wants to overthrow the establishment. I knew a few in the 1970s, Marxist university students who constantly spouted their chosen authorities, Lenin or Trotsky or Chairman Mao. Happily they spent most of their time fighting with each other”

I can immediately see an objection raised in the minds of some readers regarding Authoritarians supporting established authorities including government officials. They might well think well the ultra-Conservative Movement is anti-government, so how could they be Authoritarian in personality? The answer is I think easy. ”Authoritarian followers usually support the established authorities in their society, such as government officials and traditional religious leaders.”  To many “authoritarians” true authority might come from FOX News, Ayn Rand, Karl Marx, Pat Robertson, or even Adolph Hitler. The innate need that they have driving them is the fact that life itself is and always has been a very scary proposition. To deal with the anxiety that fear produces many people need to reach out for something that will give them a feeling of certainty, whether it is a God, an “Ism”, or even a Glock.

In Salon.com this week the columnist David Sirota wrote about the FDU survey linked above in an article titled Rise of the conservative revolutionaries” he begins:

“There’s plenty of proof of an authoritarian streak and animus toward democratic ideals in today’s conservative movement. There was the movement’s use of its judicial power to halt a vote recount and instead install a president who had lost the popular vote. There is the ongoing GOP effort to make it more difficult for people to cast a vote in an election. There is the GOP’s record use of the Senate filibuster to kill legislation that the vast majority of the country supports. There is a GOP leader’s declaration that what the American people want from their government simply “doesn’t matter.”

Up until today, you might have been able to write all that anti-democratic pathology off as one infecting only the Republican Party’s politicians and institutional leadership, but not its rank-and-file voters. But then this morning Fairleigh Dickinson University released this gun control-related poll showing that authoritarianism runs throughout the entire party.

Take a look at the cross-tabs on page 3 of the national survey. That’s right, you are reading it correctly: Almost half (44 percent) of all self-described Republican voters say they believe “an armed revolution might be necessary to protect our liberties.” Just as bad, more Republicans believe an armed revolution might be necessary than believe one isn’t necessary.” http://www.salon.com/2013/05/01/rise_of_the_conservative_revolutionaries/

In the 2012 election obviously more Americans voted for Barack Obama than for Mitt Romney. In the total vote for the congressional election the majority by far voted for Democratic Congresspeople over Republicans, but gerrymandering skewed the outcome. My point is that currently the population clearly favors the Democrats and in a democratic system one would suppose that the populace would abide by the results of the election. Yet we now see proof, as if it hadn’t been obvious before, that 44% of Republicans believe an armed revolution to support their views might be necessary. Following that the survey also found that including the beliefs of self-described Democrats and Independents a total of 38% of the American populace believes that an armed revolution might we be necessary.

Another way of putting that is that much more than one third of all Americans believe that our system of government and our Constitution has failed, or has been failing. Now truthfully I am among that thirty eight percent, yet I am strongly opposed to the concept of change via armed revolution. This is no dichotomy in my thinking; rather it is my judgment of what I see as the reality of the situation.  My background in the social sciences and mental health, combined with my lifelong interest in history and mythology, has led me to the conclusion that most of humanity’s problems are not religious, political and/or economic in causation. Those “Ism’s” are merely the manifestation of the ills of the world, or to put it another way the symptoms. The real cause is rooted in psychological and possibly genetic pathology and is called Sociopathic Behavior. Those who are said to be sociopaths suffer from what is defined in the DSM IV as Anti-Social Personality Disorder. What follows is an overview in the DSM IV “Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)”

“Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way.”

“People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.” http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Read the overview above and think about how closely that description may well apply to our political leaders, corporate leaders and religious leaders. When we someone like Sarah Palin that description should come to mind. One of the points made in the book “The Authoritarians” which I quoted above is that those who lead those with authoritarian personalities are rarely, if ever true believers in the cause. My take on it is that most of those who lead us humans in the cultural, political or religious sense are sociopaths using a particular doctrine to merely satisfy their own ends. In revolutionary terms they are willing to sacrifice anyone on the altar of their own needs. These leaders then are willing to commit any deed to achieve their ends. Was this not true of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao?

To paraphrase John Lennon “you say you want a revolution well you can count me out”. So we come to my own personal conundrum which is that I see how bad things are, yet I don’t have any real solution to change them. An American Revolution in this current climate will only lead to a Fascist Dictatorship of those who would make the “Tea Party” seem moderate. When one defines the problems in this world in religious, political and/or economic terms one can propose solutions, but I believe that ideological solutions lead to the same dead end, because the problems are the result of sociopathic behavior, with some genetics thrown in. The issue is how do we deal with that successful, yet anti-social behavior and change the country and or the world for the better? I really don’t know, nor have I any long term solutions. I cope with that by trying to report the world around me as I see it and hope that someone much wiser than me, who is not a sociopath, nor a barker of a some palliative nostrum, will come along to help provide ideas that can save us all. Perhaps that someone is you the reader. If so please share your ideas with us and any comfort they may bring.

Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

205 thoughts on “You Say You Want a Revolution?”

  1. Otteray, one day you will realize that the occupy crowd whom you support and the Tea Party are actually fighting the same fight and the same enemies. They are kept divided by social issues that are wounds that are kept open by those either unwilling to see past the hate of the other side and more importantly by those who wish to keep the masses divided.

    Think about that minute. You say the 1% fears the masses. That is true. So how to keep the masses off them? Easy. Keep them busy fighting each other over stupid social issues. I say stupid in comparison to the violation of the Constitution and the robbery of ALL of our pockets.

    When you bash the Tea Party or the Tea Party bashes the occupy crowd, the only thing you achieve is doing the devils work for Wall Street. Stop fighting each other. Social issues can wait.

  2. Bob I know lots of old hippies. Most of them are massive hypocrites. Some of the most arrogant people as well. The damage the baby boomers are doing to this nation is unprecedented.

    Also I as I said, the oath is first and foremost to the US Constitution. Once the govt begins to bypass that and becomes unconstitutional, their orders become invalid.

    I suggest you sit back and actually read or reread the writings of Madison, Jefferson, Mason, Henry etc. They pretty much viewed govt as a necessary evil and not the end all be all no matter how much the progressives wish to rewrite it in their quest for a Big Brother nanny state. The progressives have been using the liberals and blue dogs to achieve their means. That is not going to last much longer. Too many liberals are waking up to the insane fanaticism of the progressives.

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”- Patrick Henry

    btw, the SPLC is and always will be a fraud. A scam that preys upon the naive and well intentioned. In fact they might be the largest hate group of them all.

    1. Sam,

      You are new here so I don’t know what’s with you. However, this SPLC obsession does seem like trollish diversion from the topic. I just sayin…………..

  3. After reading over the comments that are actually relevant to Mike’s fine article, something just occurred to me. When the Occupy movement got started last yer, the reaction of most authorities was revealing. Overreaction, actually.

    The 1% are terrified of the rest of us. They truly fear the masses, and their response to Occupy Wall Street revealed far more than they realized. Add to that the blocking of funds to WikiLeaks by credit card companies, followed by the aggressive chasing down of Julian Assange for not using a condom shows the lengths to which they are willing to go.

    They are scared. Unfortunately, even the most docile animal will bite you when frightened. Where this is going no one knows, but the elites are afraid.

  4. Mike A.,

    It does seem like yesterday, doesn’t it? Or in the words of my favorite Marxist, Groucho, “Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.”

  5. Bob K.,

    “So, if you’re upholding the Constitution, you don’t get to decide what’s Constitutional. You uphold all of it.
    I’m still cool with what the oath says, and what the second amendment says. All of it, not fragments.”

    That’s pretty funny considering how you want to use an unconditional clause to curtail an expressly stated right by imposing the imaginary “militia requirement” in contravention to how SCOTUS has interpreted the 2nd over the years. Reminds me of that saying about motes, beams and eyes.

    It’s simple irony but it makes me chuckle.

    But I digress.

  6. ” I also believe that “armed” revolution never works towards positive changes.”

    Hmmm Seems to have worked in 1776 with a bunch of hayseed farmers against the most powerful military in the world at that time.

  7. OS,

    “It is actually a variant of the strawman fallacy combined with ad hominem attacks.”

    Bingo. As is a vast majority of propaganda. That particular combination of tactics is a favorite among the Disciples of Goebbels Atwater.

  8. Liberal law professor? Got any more smoke and mirrors? Jacobson is a well known as a conservative. Some would say he is a right wing ultraconservative. He is also known as a ‘Birther’ who questions President Obama being a US citizen.

    Argumentum ad verecundiam. It is more lame when the appeal is to a crank. Birthers and Truthers are cranks.

    Sam, you don’t like the SPLC. That’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Let’s just leave it at that.

  9. Sam,
    Your quotation of the oath is exactly as I remember it. Like the second amendment, it’s all one sentence. You cannot pick which parts of the sentence to uphold. Which is, coincidentally, what’s done with the second amendment.
    This is exactly what folks do with the Constitution. Pick and choose which parts you want to uphold, ignore the rest.
    The Supreme Court, ultimately, or lower Federal Courts, interpret what is Constitutional and what isn’t.
    Not individual “Oathkeepers.”
    So, if you’re upholding the Constitution, you don’t get to decide what’s Constitutional. You uphold all of it.
    I’m still cool with what the oath says, and what the second amendment says. All of it, not fragments.
    Sam, you sound like you missed out on the ’60s. Too bad. George Will spent the era in Divinity School. Missed the defining moment of his generation.
    You display a subtle soupcon of resentment toward the old hippies. Most of ’em are still old hippies, by the way. Still don’t quite fit in. “Ne’er-do-wells,” as one deceased hippie used to say. It doesn’t sound like you know any.

  10. Truly grim reading, Mike, but I certainly agree with you regarding the direction the country is taking. I don’t _want_ a violent revolution–does anyone actually _want_ that? And at this point, I don’t believe one is necessary to effect positive change. But like you, I honestly don’t know what needs to be done to bring about that (to me) necessary return to a Constitutional state. I do believe unless the trend is reversed, that we will see significant social violence in the future in this country, if not an actual civil war. Not because people _want_ a revolution, but because they can see no other way to undo the real or perceived erosion of our rights under the Constitution, and the attendant increase in power of the government over the people–not _by_ the people.

  11. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston

    Are all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government?

    A former FBI counterterrorism agent claims on CNN that this is the case

    by Glenn Greenwald
    Saturday 4 May 2013 08.22 EDT

    Excerpts:

    The real capabilities and behavior of the US surveillance state are almost entirely unknown to the American public because, like most things of significance done by the US government, it operates behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy. But a seemingly spontaneous admission this week by a former FBI counterterrorism agent provides a rather startling acknowledgment of just how vast and invasive these surveillance activities are.

    …..

    Despite the extreme secrecy behind which these surveillance programs operate, there have been periodic reports of serious abuse. Two Democratic Senators, Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, have been warning for years that Americans would be “stunned” to learn what the US government is doing in terms of secret surveillance.

    …..

    Mass surveillance is the hallmark of a tyrannical political culture. But whatever one’s views on that, the more that is known about what the US government and its surveillance agencies are doing, the better. This admission by this former FBI agent on CNN gives a very good sense for just how limitless these activities are.

    =======

    And here’s the rub: In spite of all that’s come to light in recent months and years, if related what I know, many here wouldn’t believe it.

  12. Swarthmore mom:
    Congratulations to your daughter. I still remember the thread in which the pros and cons of various law schools were being discussed. How quickly three years go by.

  13. Otteray, I find it sad that you dismiss the above article as hatemongering propaganda which tells me you did not even read it. Why? Because it was written by a respected Liberal Law professor for Cornell. Can I laugh now?

    William A. Jacobson is Clinical Professor of Law and Director of the Securities Law Clinic at Cornell Law School. Prof. Jacobson is a 1981 graduate of Hamilton College and a 1984 graduate of Harvard Law School. At Harvard he was Senior Editor of the Harvard International Law Journal and Director of Litigation for the Harvard Prison Legal Assistance Project.

    Prior to joining the Cornell law faculty in 2007, Prof. Jacobson had a highly successful civil litigation and arbitration practice in Providence, Rhode Island, concentrating in investment, employment, and business disputes in the securities industry, including many high profile cases reported in leading newspapers and magazines.

  14. Thanks, Mike S., for both this posting and the Huffington Post link.

    Regarding one of yesterday’s threads, but related to where we may be headed:

    EDITORIAL: A Stasi for Palm Beach
    The sheriff wants a gossip ministry to call his own

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/3/a-stasi-for-palm-beach/

    The Department of Homeland Security is using these local grants to do what the department itself is prohibited from doing. Shortly after 9/11, George W. Bush prepared to create a federal Big Brother hotline called “Operation Tips” that sought to enlist citizens to turn in neighbors for “suspicious” activity. House Republicans added a provision to the law ensuring that the agency could never do it.

    It was a dumb idea at the federal level, and it’s a dumb idea in Palm Beach County. Trained police professionals are paid to observe people, notice things, investigate and take matters to the district attorney at the appropriate point, and make sure civil liberties are protected. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s far better than fundamentally transforming the country in the image of the Eastern Bloc.

    “Community Partners Against Terrorism” / “C-PAT”

    http://www.allianceofdelray.com/item_list.asp?subcat=193&subtitle=Community+Partners+Against+Terrorism

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