People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is famous for its public displays designed to shock and sometimes disgust people (here and here and here). However, PETA appears a bit thin skinned this week with legal attacks on critics who accused the organization of killing animals in a Virginia shelter. PETA reportedly is asking a court to give it the personal information, email addresses, phone numbers, and other data for three bloggers who reacted to an April 2 posting by a no-kill shelter advocate. One of the bloggers called PETA “animal Kevorkians.”
PETA has refused to discuss its efforts.
Articles have accused PETA of killing roughly 90 percent of stray dogs and cats at a Virginia facility. Critics insist PETA is not open or honest on its kill policy with donors.
I have been unable to see any of the alleged PETA filings or any response from the organization on these allegations. I find it troubling to see public interest organizations going after critics. PETA thrives on free speech and often engages in speech that many find troubling. Yet, we all defend their right to do so even if we criticize their tactics. I would be interested in seeing the filings if they are public and anyone has run across them.
Source: NY Post
“But killing for space is not euthanization”. Another interesting contradiction given the spokesperson for MABSL said that one of the reasons the 9 out of 11 dogs were “humanely euthanized” was lack of space. Can you explain why these words were used rather than the word killed?
Bron
You ask good questions and I doubt jetson409 will answer them.
As for me, I want to clarify something. Although I am a supporter of the No Kill sheltering model, that does not mean that I do not believe that euthanasia is sometimes appropriate given that an animal may be beyond hope medically and suffering or an animal may be aggressive and therefore a danger to humans and other animals.
Of course, nowhere in the No Kill Equation – does it state that every single animal – no matter what condition or circumstance – must be kept alive. Obviously, that is not possible.
The goal is to save all the animals that are treatable, healthy and to find those animals adoptive homes.
The animals that fall outside of “healthy and treatable” need to be dealt with according to their particular circumstances. Some will logically require euthanization.
But killing for space is not euthanization.
Charlton – thank you – you just explained what happened to my most recent response that I just spent 20 minutes typing. (I really should have just posted it on my facebook page as I stated I was going to do yesterday.)
Because jetson409 is one of my cyber-stalkers and surely she would have seen it there.
I wont make that mistake again today. jetson409 – go back to trolling my facebook page – I will further answer you there.
Regarding comments that “disappear.” The spam filter is Askimet, which is quirky to say the least. It lets some spam through, then snags an occasional legitimate comment for no apparent reason. Everyone here, from Professor Turley on down, has had comments caught in the filter. With the new format, weekend contributors can’t retrieve stuff from the filter, not even our own. That happened to Darren last night.
Then there is the WordMess Black Hole of Doom. Some comments disappear into the vortex and are not to be found anywhere. Just gone.
jetson409:
how come PeTA doesnt set up a national data base and system of getting dogs and cats to where they can be adopted?
I bet North Korea would adopt all of your dogs. And if you are going to kill them why dont you package them and sell them to North Korea or other countries which like dog meat. You could use the proceeds to help more dogs here in the states.
That way the animals wouldnt die in vain. They would help their canine brothers and sisters.
LVP:
Why is this such a big deal? Arent you entitled to your opinion?
Some animals are going to be put down no matter what anyone does or can do. It is just a fact of life. I couldnt do it, I used to want to be a vet but I spent summers helping my uncle and part of the job was helping him put down cats and dogs. That cured me of wanting to be a vet.
More power to people who are willing to help the cats and dogs find homes, I have 3 dogs myself. They are like 2 year olds.
Another irrelevant comment gets through but still no answer to my question. If as Lucy claims “there are more than enough adoptive homes for these 3-4 million shelter animals. If only the so called “shelters” and animal control facilities WANTED to put forth the effort required to find them homes.” Why did the spokesperson for MCABSL say one of the reasons 9 out of 11 dogs were euthanized in Broward County was no fosters or adopters stepped up to save them? The dogs story was featured in the news on more than one occasion, on several facebook pages and many advocates were aware of the situation. How is it since she claims “there are more than enough homes” these advocates were unable to foster and/or find fosters or adopters for 9 dogs?
Bron,
Don’t let jetson409 fool you – she cares nothing about fighting dogs – or the specific dogs she mentions that were killed – she brought the whole thing up because somehow she feels this proves I have said something here that is contradictory.
The people who cyber stalk me are not good thinking logically. They try to make connections where there are none and they draw false conclusions constantly.
ie. they are dumb
I typed out a detailed response 3 times yesterday and for the life of me, I don’t know why they did not post.
But here, I’ll try to sneak some of it in this comment (see if that works)
First – the dogs she is talking about were seized from a fighting ring and have been known as the “manor dogs”. I am not even close to broward country, FL and reside in a different state all together, so why jetson409 thinks that I should know anything about these dogs is anyone’s guess.
However, I believe the dogs were taken to MDAS (Miami Dade Animal Services) who does NOT follow the 12 steps of the NO Kill Equation. So why should it surprise anyone that most of the dogs were destroyed?
I hope this goes through – don’t worry old jetson409 I have more to say on the subject…
jetson:
dog fighting proponents should be castrated.
I am a member of the other PETA.
Pardon, I meant to say, Mr. Turley, (not Hurley)
it’s not my blog. complain to the boss. In the meantime – go stalk me on facebook like you do anyway – and i’ll post my reply there.
I don’t think Mr. Hurley wants you to have the satisfaction of getting a response to your irrelevant ‘question’.
it really has nothing to do with any of this.
P.s. How convenient.
jetson409
I have attempted to reply to you about the fighting dogs 3 times. Each time I spent 10 minutes writing my reply. My replies contained no links nor any offensive words, but still they haven’t shown up.
I don’t plan on typing my response again tonight. Hopefully one of my replies will eventually show up. Otherwise – I really don’t care what you think because clearly you seem to be implying that I am unable to answer your “trick” question. *yawn*
You PeTA stalkers are so boring.
P.s. Marilyn also said she left a response to your dog fighting question and I haven’t seen hers show up either.
Try sending your response again. All other comments you have made seem to have gotten through except for the one where you might explain the contradiction to what you said.
A bit much for you maybe, but if the animals are happy and your daughter and fiance is happy, then I say “bravo” for them!
There are a lot of us who simply adore cats and dogs and we enjoy multiple animal households. It’s not for everyone but if the animals are cared for properly then it’s certainly none of PeTA’s business (although you will find that PeTA is against this as well).
I think it’s fair to say that there isn’t much of the business of others that PeTA doesn’t feel obligated to stick their big noses into.
An earlier commenter called it, “messianic tendencies” and that is an apt description.
Oh yes I forgot to say that own daughter who lives in Oceanside,CA, lives with her fiancée who currently has 6 little chihuahuas, about four of them from an animal shelter. They have a doggie door and a kennel oustide the door for them and the little dogs seem quite happy. I find it a bit loony that PETA would discourage having pets altogether, although six dogs and a cat seems a bit much.
Thanks again for your support and bearing with me through the long and admittedly bitter comments I felt necessary to write in order to explain myself.
No Kill sheltering is undoubtedly the future in animal welfare. PeTA refuses to accept this. And they use their considerable money, power and resources to intimidate, bully, threaten, malign and frighten No Kill advocates into submission.
Check out the blog I just posted – if that doesn’t justify every claim I’ve made here today, I don’t know what will.
Lucy and Marilyn,
You folks do good work. I have a family friend in Orange County, CA who is involved with and donates to no kill shelters. Her daughter adopted a purebred dog from a breeder and that was enough to make her tell her daughter to give a big donation to their local no kill shelter, which she did, lol.
I left a response for jetson409 but it didn’t seem to get through.
Bron, here’s something new that further explains what PeTA is up to. Hypocrites is one thing, but they are also bullies. (as I’ve been repeatedly saying in these comments)
This is a new blog – just posted today.
http://lynchburghumane.blogspot.com/2014/01/is-lhs-under-attack.html
I was surprised when I first heard about PETA killing those animals. It seemed very hypocritical.