Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan are again expressing their moral outrage over the effort of the international community to vaccinate their children against polio. In the latest case, at least 12 security officials were killed and nine others injured in an ambush on a clearly marked medical convoy in the Jamrud area of the Khyber tribal region. It appears that both murder and denying children polio vaccines are viewed by these men as a pure expression of faith and morality.
The militants hit the convoy with improvised explosive & devices (IEDs) and then racked the convoy with automatic fire. They then prevented the wounded from being removed for medical treatment.
We previously discussed how the Taliban is opposing similar efforts violently in Afghanistan.
Polio is an epidemic in Pakistan by Islamic rebels have killed over 40 health care workers to prevent them from protecting children.
The United States has been accused by some of responsibility for these attacks. The CIA used a fake polio vaccine program to hunt for Osama Bin Laden and obtain DNA from suspects. The attacks on health care workers sharply increased as a result with militants treating all such efforts as presumptive Western intelligence operations. The use of a health care program remains controversial. The use of reporters or health care professionals endangers thousands of people who should be treated as neutral parties in these disputes. This, of course, does not excuse these fanatics or justifies their actions. They continue to use religion as a rationalization for murder and other atrocities. Thus it is not surprising that they would use the Bin Laden raid in the same fashion. However, I would be interested to know if anyone at the CIA raised the danger to health care workers if they used the polio program as part of their operation.
IIRC, the attacks on vaccine workers is much worse after the CIA used fake vaccine workers as spies.
Randy Lee, Are you old enough to remember polio?
Now Annie, you couldn’t have watched that video that soon. Or did you have it on fast forward?
Nick writes: “Whooping cough is a big problem out here is liberal Ca. because of the left wingers not vaccinating their kids. ”
It may be possible that the symptoms being diagnosed as whooping cough are the result of living in a polluted environment. But it is so easy to blame the unvaccinated. Are the unvaccinated or the vaccinated being effected by the conditions more? Was the person who died vaccinated?
The Father of vaccination theory employed his experiments on his own son who died at the age of 20-21. The completely healthy young man he first used a a guinea pig also died about the same age. The whole vaccination theory is based upon anedotal evidence as opposed to empirical double blind studies. Watch the video for the whole explanation.
Randy Lee, doctors are just like everybody else. They don’t believe everything they are taught any more than the next person, they are quite intelligent generally and I’m pretty sure they are capeable of independant thought. Protocols change constantly to reflect the latest science and evidence based knowledge. I will agree that some doctors are late comers, and I have changed doctors when I haven’t been satisfied that they are current with the latest and best information available.
Annie, most doctors are followers, they merely follow protocol, as their malpractice insurance requires.. They believe everything they are taught by their pharmaceutically funded professors. It’s completely understandable that many of them vaccinate their kids. But if u had watched the video I posted you would know that not all doctors do so.
BTW, I do use doctors selectively, but not to obtain vaccines, i.e. poison, toxic chemicals. You should know that the first rule of medical care is “First do no harm”.
The doctors I select understand that 1st principle. Get back with me after u watch the video.
I’m just guessing Randy Lee is not religious right fanatic and he voices the Jenny McCarthy left meme perfectly. Whooping cough is a big problem out here is liberal Ca. because of the left wingers not vaccinating their kids. There was a recent death due to whooping cough. Combine the fact that the whooping cough serum is losing it’s efficacy, w/ extremist parents not using vaccines, and we could have a pandemic on our hands. Flu, most likely, and it will be thanks to extremists. When extremists unite it is big trouble, sometimes Constitutionally, in this case medically.
Dredd, Lol!
Randy Lee,
So, I guess you don’t use the services of doctors? I have a family friend who is a pediatrician with four children. His own children were vaccinated. I’m certain he put his children before his pocketbook.
annieofwi seems to think that the Vaccine Safety Studies of the American Academy of Pediatrics should be used as proof of vaccine safety.
Did you know that donors include Pfizer, Procter & Gamble, Gerber, Infant Formula Council (wonder how many ties to Big Pharma they have?), Johnson & Johnson Consumer Products, Abbott Laboratories, Wyeth-Lederle Vaccine & Pediatrics, Mead
Johnson Nutritionals, SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, Schering Corp.,
Rhone-Poulenc Rorer, Merck Vaccine Division, and others?
Just a bunch of guys that care about us all while they fatten their pockets. Would they promote lies about their own interests?
nick spinelli
… When you get tree huggers and whacky religion together … You’re agenda driven.
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So, is the antidote sewer, garbage, and Oil-Qaeda huggers getting together with Ultra-sane White Racists?
No agenda and all right?
http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf
Vaccine Safety Studies. American Academy of Pediatrics.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/August/Family-Group-Ca-Weighing-Anti-Parental-Rights-Bills/
Pat Robertson and the CBN joining anti vaccination voices. Hardly tree hugging liberals, Pat Robertson. 🙂
They don’t do wedding parties. Off limits.
James Knauer writes:
“Randy Lee will now submit to blood tests to determine if he is clean of impurities, and he will have no say in what qualifies as “impurities.”.”
Sounds like you favor initiating violence against me. Will you accomplish this involuntary blood test by force of some law, having men and women with guns to enforce its application? Or do you have the guts to force me yourself? Just what I thought, you would rather hide behind the veneer of some law. You chicken*#@t do-gooder.
James writes, When will you tiny-minded “individualists” realize we’re not going to let you cloud up our public square with your sick kids?” Who is this “we’re”? I knew it, You have no guts acting alone. Need some more chicken*#@t do-gooders with guns and badges in costumes to help you employ your terrorism on me, right?
And how did you become owner of what you describe as “our” public square?
Chicken*%@t do-gooders always need a mob to intiate their political violence on others. You can keep your policies. I’ll keep my freedom.
If you had taken the time to watch the video I posted you might be able to use two brain cells to reach the determination that it is the vaccines that are having increased long term negative side-effects in the public square. The question is do you have two?
What Mespo and Annie said about fundamentalist believers. Science and common sense should control, but when the Book says otherwise or is interpreted otherwise by one or more individuals, crap like this takes over. The idea of preventing children from contracting polio is disturbing and sentencing those that contract the virus to pain and suffering for many years and sometimes life. I have a cousin who contracted polio as a child and she is in braces to this day. My brother had a mild case of polio when he was young and some of my earlier memories was his complaining of the pain and discomfort from the stretching exercises that helped him.
anti porn is a feminists and Christian Fundamentalists allaince . When you get tree huggers and whacky religion together you KNOW they’re wrong just like they were w/ porn. If you’re Googling you’re seeing left wing anti vaccine also. You’re cherry picking. You’re agenda driven.
You’re cherry picking. The movement is based in California w/ the Whole Foods, Jenny McCarthy left wing idiots. Governor Brown is trying to cater to tem out here where anti vaccine is causing huge problems, particularly in the Bay area. There are idiots on the right also but the movement is driven and led by left wingers. Deal w/ it!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/10/18/fundamentalist-christians-and-anti-vaxxers-a-toxic-combination/
Christian fundamentalists and anti vaxxers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/health/20hpv.html
Michelle Bachman, hardly a tree hugging liberal, LOL.