Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan are again expressing their moral outrage over the effort of the international community to vaccinate their children against polio. In the latest case, at least 12 security officials were killed and nine others injured in an ambush on a clearly marked medical convoy in the Jamrud area of the Khyber tribal region. It appears that both murder and denying children polio vaccines are viewed by these men as a pure expression of faith and morality.
The militants hit the convoy with improvised explosive & devices (IEDs) and then racked the convoy with automatic fire. They then prevented the wounded from being removed for medical treatment.
We previously discussed how the Taliban is opposing similar efforts violently in Afghanistan.
Polio is an epidemic in Pakistan by Islamic rebels have killed over 40 health care workers to prevent them from protecting children.
The United States has been accused by some of responsibility for these attacks. The CIA used a fake polio vaccine program to hunt for Osama Bin Laden and obtain DNA from suspects. The attacks on health care workers sharply increased as a result with militants treating all such efforts as presumptive Western intelligence operations. The use of a health care program remains controversial. The use of reporters or health care professionals endangers thousands of people who should be treated as neutral parties in these disputes. This, of course, does not excuse these fanatics or justifies their actions. They continue to use religion as a rationalization for murder and other atrocities. Thus it is not surprising that they would use the Bin Laden raid in the same fashion. However, I would be interested to know if anyone at the CIA raised the danger to health care workers if they used the polio program as part of their operation.
I have been pretty Islamic against vaccines and needles since childhood when I got polio from the first or second polio vaccine that came out. I refuse to be a herd animal. I recovered from polio but not from my Islamic fear of the medical/political world that believes in the herd mentality.
regardless of ones take on vaccines, what is happening in the NW of Pakistan is a travesty. Yes, the US can take a little of the heat, but the US is not responsible for the decisions that are made by the leadership of the terrorists. Yeah, someone did NOT think to the consequences of the covert op to get bin laden beyond their own immediate interests. But no excuse does the terrorists get! They are vile and killing innocents and they know it-they are just playing the world and look at this-it becomes a discussion as to how the
-seems Randy may have a point:
http://www.creationliberty.com/images/vac10.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064
Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation
3:43
Philip Jonkers·
…Here are Bill Gates’ verbatim words [square parentheses additions for clarification purposes are mine though]:
“The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that [number of 9 billion] by perhaps 10 or 15 percent. But there we see an increase of about 1.3 [billion].”
http://doctoryourself.com/vaccin_2.html
It is Dr. Edward, … who studied Canadian polio epidemics and concluded that polio is related to iodine deficiency. Dr. Edward then cured, as well as prevented, polio with small doses of iodine. The Manitoba Medical Review published his work in 1954, for any doctor or citizen to read…
It is Dr. McCormick, who carefully reviewed the medical literature and showed, in tables and graphs, the dramatic decline in typhoid, diptheria and whooping cough before inoculation/vaccination was available. (“The Changing Incidence and Mortality of Infectious Disease in Relation to Changed Trends in Nutrition,” Medical Record, 1947.)
It is Dr. Klenner, who successfully treated polio for nearly 45 years with very high doses of vitamin C and with exceptional success (A Physician’s Handbook on Orthomolecular Medicine. R.J. Williams, ed., pp 51-59)
. .. According to New York City Department of Health director Dr. Morris Greenberg, polio fatalities decreased by nearly 90 percent from 1915 to 1955, before the polio vaccine was available to the public in 1955 (Howard Hillemann, in Clinical Physiology 2:2, 1960). How can we truly say, then, that vaccination got rid of polio?
Toronto medical doctor William McCormick and Dr. Fred Klenner of North Carolina, also an M.D., both prevented and treated the childhood infectious diseases with large quantities of Vitamin C. Again in Medical Record (September 1947) Dr. McCormick shows a direct relation between these diseases and vitamin C deficiency. If vitamin C deficiency is the real cause of these illnesses, what are we doing emphasizing inoculations?
— Andrew W. Saul
Whooping Cough Outbreaks Tied to Parents Shunning Vaccines
Study finds that areas with high rates of nonmedical vaccine exemptions also had high number of cases
By Serena Gordon
HealthDay Reporter
Sep. 30, 2013
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2013/09/30/whooping-cough-outbreaks-tied-to-parents-shunning-vaccines
Excerpt:
MONDAY, Sept. 30 (HealthDay News) — New research confirms what experts have suspected: The decision not to vaccinate children for nonmedical reasons can have far-reaching effects, including raising the risk of infections for other children and their families.
Researchers compared areas with significant numbers of parents who chose not to vaccinate their children for nonmedical reasons to areas that were affected by the 2010 whooping cough outbreak in California. They found that people living in areas with high nonmedical vaccine exemption rates were 2.5 times more likely to also be located in an area with high levels of whooping cough.
“Not vaccinating your child is not a benign decision. It has real health consequences to the individual child and to the community,” explained study senior author Saad Omer, an associate professor of global health, epidemiology and pediatrics at Emory University in Atlanta.
Citation please.
There are free clinics available for vaccinations. Kids can’t go to school if not vaccinated, although Governor Moonbeam is getting weak knees regarding a bill toughening the weak vaccination rules here in Ca. Now, do you think that pressure is from fundamental Christians or tree huggers? You can now get a doctors note and your kids don’t need to be vaccinated. There are radical left docs more than happy to provide those notes.
Swarthmoremom, exactly. Some people only post opinions. Some people go to the trouble to back up their assertions. Those stats can be found in numerous places.
annie, The statistics don’t lie. Texas has the highest number of uninsured people and a very high poverty rate. When the feds don’t kick the money in due to Perry’s refusal of medicaid expansion or budget cuts the health of the total population suffers along with the unisured and unvaccinated.
Swarthmoremom,
Ohhhh, hmmmm, whose opinion is more reliable? Mother Jones, Spinelli, Mother Jones, Spinelli, Mother Jones. Mother knows best.
Randy Lee, You obviously have studied this issue. I will give you that.
Randy Lee, I will watch it. And SWM, of course the Republicans are to blame. I think they are the cause of heart disease, depression, diabetes and gout!! Mother Jones tells us so.
annieofwi said: “There could be a few different reasons that pertussis among the immunized may be occurring……,”
One reason I can think of is initially the fact that all those having been vaccinated have a compromized immune system as a result of their vaccination and often a lack of good nutrition. Now compound that with the fact that parapertussis colonization occurs in the throats of so many of the vaccinated morphing them into carriers who then spread their virus to those whom they assosiate, who for the most part are also vaccinated.
Nutrition is the prime solution to poor immunity. Americans are for the most part mal-nourished. Don’t think for a moment that fat people aren’t mal-nourished. Obesity is often a symptom of mal-nourishment.
But Yippee, CDC to the rescue! Here’s your vaccination.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/gop-budget-cdc-vaccines-cut Less money for vaccinations.
annie, Yep, With this new pertussis even the vaccinated can get it although usually a milder case. I have known a few adults that have contracted it.
There could be a few different reasons that pertussis among the immunized may be occurring, one is that the bacteria may be changing, interesting faqs from the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/03/5130886/whooping-cough-outbreak-could.html Whooping cough is a big problem in North Texas…. not exactly a bastion of liberal thought. It has more to do with people not being able to afford the vaccine.
Nick and Annie, with respect to the pertussis outbreaks i California it is now known that it was the vaccinated who were affected at much higher rates. Not only that, but the vaccinated actually became carriers for the virus after parapertussis colonizations in the throats of the vacciinated occurred. Go to 112.00 of the video for better explanation.
Yes Nick. Are yoiu old enough to be aware of the fact that the numbers of polio victims was declining as a result of better hygeine and nutrition, and the resulting immune enhancement.?
Sounds as though you still need to watch the video. The polio part starts at 47:25. There is scientific proof now that the polio vaccines were contaminated by numerous monkey viruses.
Do you suppose that we as individuals should enjoy the right to decide for ourselves whether we want monkey viruses in our system?
Randy Lee, Pertussis is confirmed w/ saliva swabs like strep throat.
Randy Lee, The infant was only 2 months old. However, a mom who was vaccinated passes on the immunity to her baby until she/he is old enough to be vaccinated. I don’t know if mom was vaccinated, I’ll try and find out. The recent history in Ca., where the highest % of children are not vaccinated, had a very bad pertussis outbreak back in 2010, w/ almost 10k cases and 10 deaths[I’ll have to check that?]. When this shit occurs there is a backlash and the non vaccination rates go down. There may be another uptick starting. I also live in a very liberal County in Wi., Dane County. My VERY liberal holistic Harvard educated GP rants about the liberals not vaccinating kids. She’s not an atheist[Jew], but is very liberal in every other way. Another friend who is a pediatrician in Oakland we’ll be coming down to visit us in 2 weeks. She was the one who told me first about this anti vaccination problem. She is a mild mannered, liberal, woman who RANTS on this issue. We will not change each other’s minds but the civility is impressive, Randy Lee.