Submitted by Elaine Magliaro, Weekend Contributor
Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher and scofflaw, was hailed by some people as a folk hero and patriot recently when he—and his followers–engaged in a standoff with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Caty Enders (Esquire) described the scene in Bunkerville, Nevada, as pundits and politicians descended on the Bundy camp last week “to throw in their American flag hats with the BLM protestors.” She said that a FOX News van had been parked by the side of the road for days—and that “militia snipers kept a trained watch” up on a ridge “as Bundy held court.” She added that disciples of Bundy came from far and wide “to share their personal theories as to why the government was enforcing a court order.”
Bundy has had a number of advocates who have spoken in support of his militant stance against the BLM. Those advocates included some prominent politicians and members of the media. Sean Hannity was one of Bundy’s biggest boosters and helped to make him into a folk hero. Hannity talked with Bundy on a number of occasions on his Fox News show. Joan Walsh (Salon) asked a pertinent question about Bundy on Friday: “How does a guy who declared early on ‘I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing’ become a folk hero in the first place?” She said that both Hannity and Fox News should have realized that the Nevada rancher was “too toxic” prior to his “ongoing self-exposure as a racist.” She added that the extremism of Bundy’s statement about the US government “should have been warning enough that Bundy was not only crazy but dangerous…”
Enders posed a question that was in the same vein as Walsh’s: “Exactly how difficult was it, though, to determine pretty early on that Bundy and his followers were using the threat of force to back up some terrifyingly misguided beliefs?” Enders provided some insight into the thinking and beliefs of Bundy and disciples of his with whom she talked.
Members of the Bundy Brigade Speak Out
Enders spoke to a militia member named Mark who was affiliated with the Oath Keepers group. Mark explained to her “the truth behind public land management.” He said, “The assumption is that the BLM is part of the federal government. But we need to check the facts on that one. The BLM doesn’t work for the government: they work for the United Nations. They might as well be wearing blue helmets. If we find out there’s money being exchanged between Harry Reid and the Chinese government, no one should be surprised.”
Another Bundy disciple told Enders that “Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. ‘That’s what they do with all their clients.’”
Enders spent time talking to a former cop who chuckled as he related a story about one of his buddies who once worked as a sheriff in New Mexico. He said his buddy got into some trouble after he pulled over a group of illegals one night. He said his pal “didn’t have room to haul ‘em all, so he put a chain around their neck and put a padlock through it, went to the next one, then he chained ‘em to a tree!” Enders said that the former cop then buckled with laughter as he told her how his friend “left ‘em and went to town to get his pickup to haul ‘em all back in. So, you might imagine, that didn’t play well — ha! You’re a young’un, but everything wasn’t against the law, way back when.” The former cop also told Enders that it was now being proved that the Bureau of Land management was acting on orders “from Troy and Harry Reid, who want to build a solar farm on the land — or a wind farm.”
One of Bundy’s disciples drove a beige sedan covered with the following message:
IF YOU WERE BORN IN 1980 AND AFTER. YOU MAY BE IMPLANTED WITH A GOVERNMENT MICROCHIP WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE: GOOGLE DOCTORS THAT REMOVE MICROCHIPS.
Cliven Bundy, God’s Messenger
During the time that Enders spent at the Bundy camp, she witnessed one of the public addresses the Nevada rancher made to his followers. She said that as Bundy—who had just been given a standing ovation—took the stage, he didn’t seem pleased. She said that Bundy reproached the crowd “for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter …”— which he claimed was being “delivered through him.” He wasn’t happy that his supporters failed “to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.” Bundy added, “The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.” He continued, “The records of our bible — how long have they been kept? Thousands of years. They’ve been turned over generation after generation, buried, and all kinds of things happen to ‘em. And yet, here, something I felt was inspired [by God] and yet we haven’t even carried it forth for even a couple of days. Shame on us.”
Bundy expressed frustration because his followers hadn’t been able to deter the BLM “within an hour”—“as the revelation had prophesied.” When an hour had passed, Bundy reportedly got into his bulldozer and decided to march on the BLM himself. His dozer got stuck in the mud—and that led to Bundy’s receiving yet another revelation: “It come to my mind real plain — the good Lord said, ‘Bundy, it’s not your job, it’s THEIR job.’” Bundy reiterated that revelation a little differently in an effort to ensure that his followers understood what he had just told them, “This is not my job, it’s YOUR job.”
Bundy said that he received a message that morning after he prayed. He claimed that he heard a voice say, “Sheriff Gillespie, your work is not done. Every sheriff across the United States, take the guns away from the United States bureaucrats.”
Uncivil Disobedience
Even The Weekly Standard–as well as Glenn Beck–has been critical of Cliven Bundy. The magazine’s Scrapbook explained the whole Bundy situation with regard to grazing fees and court rulings. The Scrapbook said that what had transpired over the years didn’t sound “like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around.” It said it sounded, instead, “like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and ‘tying up the courts’—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law.”
The Weekly Standard:
Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 1 (The Daily Show)
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 2 (The Daily Show)
SOURCES
Fox News’ new laughingstock: Cliven Bundy — and Stephen Colbert — will destroy Sean Hannity (Salon)
Uncivil Disobedience (The Weekly Standard)
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Nick, with the appeal to authority fallacy…
Show me the studies, Nick. Prove it’s epidemic.
Also, note how you subtly changed from “a bunch of lazy moochers who don’t pay taxes are ripping off the disability system” to “insurance fraud.”
Insurance fraud is a very broad topic. Disability fraud is a much smaller topic.
Also notice how you dropped the 40% pay no taxes BS.
Also notice how you dropped a whole bunch of other things.
The fact that I was a stagehand doesn’t mean I can’t read and think. I was also a Philosophy major, I studied history, English, creative writing… I run a small LLC that my wife and I started, and we’re in the process of opening a small to-go restaurant. So, I’m a small business owner. Lifelong thinker and political activist.
I took punches from pro-war people during the Iraq fiasco that you so conveniently ignore. I learned a lot from that that I never learned on stage.
But, you know, I haven’t attacked your comments on things outside the insurance industry simply because you’re in insurance. By your logic, you have no business talking about anything that you didn’t make money doing.
“brief but bombastic tenure”
This from the guy who called me a Shiite Liberal.
“not to engage Scott on hot button topics”
And yet, here you are, engaging me by insulting my intelligence and appealing to your own authority.
“I work and have worked thousands of fraud cases.”
So? What does that have to do with all the lazy moochers not paying taxes and getting disability fraudulently? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get disability? Do you have any idea why people with lower mortality disorders can get it? (Reagan)
But what do I know? I’m just a stagehand.
“I would NEVER impugn his expertise on being a stagehand.”
I didn’t impugn your expertise. I said that you can’t use your anecdotal evidence as proof that some HUGE percentage of people getting disability are frauds.
Supak – a call to authority is not a fallacy, it is just a call to authority. Your doctor does it all the time. Goodness knows, Elaine has done it probably 20 times on this thread alone. YOU just have to decide whether or not you are going to believe that particular authority or not.
Elaine, There are some issues on raff’s thread you might like. You seem to just stay on your threads and linking a lot. We all get into ruts.
I’m sure Jonathan was ecstatic to hear from you!! And, your assessment as to “who’s to blame” brings me back to my kids when they were in grammar school. So, this is not middle school, we’re back to grammar school.
There’s a word for that.
Yes or no Mr. Spinelli? Let’s not disrupt the thread.
There’s a great thread by rafflaw. I find distraction works w/ puppies and children.
Mr. Spinelli
I also point out that your inability to say yes, Prof. Turley asked me to or no, Prof Turley did not ask me, is the DIRECT cause for this opening up again.
Your years as a PI and paid court testimony have served you well.
I
Middle school stuff.
Retracted nothing.
Mr. Spinelli,
I am gobsmacked by your retraction.
I do not believe in bothering Prof Turley because I have a disagreement with someone.
I also believe if a complaint is filed, it should be done OPENLY along with the charges.
Mr. Spinelli, I am going to ask Prof. Turley if he asked you to shut us down.
feynman,
I love Charlie Pierce! Have you read his book “Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free?”
I love how he always refers to Scott Walker as “the google-eyed homunculus hired by Koch Industries to manage their midwest subsidiary formerly known as the state of Wisconsin” on his blog.
Spinelli,
Sorry I misunderstood. So I’ll ask again. Did Prof. Turley ask you to tell us to shut down our thread? Did you tell us it was “played out” and it should have ended two hours ago?
ARE you a moderator of this forum??????
Feynman,
I do believe that he answered your question with one word, NO.
That’s how it goes here, things get settled down, then boom, a sidewinding out of left field. Just ignore it and take it as baiting.
Yes Feynman, WI has indeed suffered under the Teapublican onslaught, but on a positive note, it’s a heads up as to what could happen nationally should these extremists take over the Executive and the Congress. Regression back to the good old 1950’s. I will check out Charlie Pierce’s blog, thanks.
Spinelli, knock off the personal attack.
To each their own.
Fey, I did not answer you but if you think I did, and it ended your obsessive questioning, then “Whatever gets you through the night, it’s alright, alright.”
Bombastic? He’s a hell of a debater! But I understand why you do not wish to engage with him. Frankly, I wouldn’t either. He’d have me for just a little snack.
Feingold is a GREAT legislator. I believe he would be an average executive, at best. And, based on his bowing out of running for prez or guv, I think he knows that. Too entirely different skill sets, evidenced by the poor performance by our current prez.