God’s Messenger Cliven Bundy, His Wacko Disciples, and Uncivil Disobedience

Nevada-StateSeal_svgSubmitted by Elaine Magliaro, Weekend Contributor

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher and scofflaw, was hailed by some people as a folk hero and patriot recently when he—and his followers–engaged in a standoff with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Caty Enders (Esquire) described the scene in Bunkerville, Nevada, as pundits and politicians descended on the Bundy camp last week “to throw in their American flag hats with the BLM protestors.” She said that a FOX News van had been parked by the side of the road for days—and that “militia snipers kept a trained watch” up on a ridge “as Bundy held court.” She added that disciples of Bundy came from far and wide “to share their personal theories as to why the government was enforcing a court order.”

Bundy has had a number of advocates who have spoken in support of his militant stance against the BLM. Those advocates included some prominent politicians and members of the media. Sean Hannity was one of Bundy’s biggest boosters and helped to make him into a folk hero. Hannity talked with Bundy on a number of occasions on his Fox News show. Joan Walsh (Salon) asked a pertinent question about Bundy on Friday: “How does a guy who declared early on ‘I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing’ become a folk hero in the first place?” She said that both Hannity and Fox News should have realized that the Nevada rancher was “too toxic” prior to his “ongoing self-exposure as a racist.” She added that the extremism of Bundy’s statement about the US government “should have been warning enough that Bundy was not only crazy but dangerous…”

Enders posed a question that was in the same vein as Walsh’s: “Exactly how difficult was it, though, to determine pretty early on that Bundy and his followers were using the threat of force to back up some terrifyingly misguided beliefs?” Enders provided some insight into the thinking and beliefs of Bundy and disciples of his with whom she talked.

Members of the Bundy Brigade Speak Out

Enders spoke to a militia member named Mark who was affiliated with the Oath Keepers group. Mark explained to her “the truth behind public land management.” He said, “The assumption is that the BLM is part of the federal government. But we need to check the facts on that one. The BLM doesn’t work for the government: they work for the United Nations. They might as well be wearing blue helmets. If we find out there’s money being exchanged between Harry Reid and the Chinese government, no one should be surprised.”

Another Bundy disciple told Enders that “Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. ‘That’s what they do with all their clients.’”

Enders spent time talking to a former cop who chuckled as he related a story about one of his buddies who once worked as a sheriff in New Mexico. He said his buddy got into some trouble after he pulled over a group of illegals one night. He said his pal “didn’t have room to haul ‘em all, so he put a chain around their neck and put a padlock through it, went to the next one, then he chained ‘em to a tree!” Enders said that the former cop then buckled with laughter as he told her how his friend “left ‘em and went to town to get his pickup to haul ‘em all back in. So, you might imagine, that didn’t play well — ha! You’re a young’un, but everything wasn’t against the law, way back when.” The former cop also told Enders that it was now being proved that the Bureau of Land management was acting on orders “from Troy and Harry Reid, who want to build a solar farm on the land  —  or a wind farm.”

One of Bundy’s disciples drove a beige sedan covered with the following message:

IF YOU WERE BORN IN 1980 AND AFTER. YOU MAY BE IMPLANTED WITH A GOVERNMENT MICROCHIP WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE: GOOGLE DOCTORS THAT REMOVE MICROCHIPS.

Cliven Bundy, God’s Messenger

During the time that Enders spent at the Bundy camp, she witnessed one of the public addresses the Nevada rancher made to his followers. She said that as Bundy—who had just been given a standing ovation—took the stage, he didn’t seem pleased. She said that Bundy reproached the crowd “for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter …”— which he claimed was being “delivered through him.” He wasn’t happy that his supporters failed “to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.” Bundy added, “The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.” He continued, “The records of our bible — how long have they been kept? Thousands of years. They’ve been turned over generation after generation, buried, and all kinds of things happen to ‘em. And yet, here, something I felt was inspired [by God] and yet we haven’t even carried it forth for even a couple of days. Shame on us.”

Bundy expressed frustration because his followers hadn’t been able to deter the BLM “within an hour”—“as the revelation had prophesied.” When an hour had passed, Bundy reportedly got into his bulldozer and decided to march on the BLM himself. His dozer got stuck in the mud—and that led to Bundy’s receiving yet another revelation: “It come to my mind real plain — the good Lord said, ‘Bundy, it’s not your job, it’s THEIR job.’” Bundy reiterated that revelation a little differently in an effort to ensure that his followers understood what he had just told them, “This is not my job, it’s YOUR job.”

Bundy said that he received a message that morning after he prayed. He claimed that he heard a voice say, “Sheriff Gillespie, your work is not done. Every sheriff across the United States, take the guns away from the United States bureaucrats.”

 Uncivil Disobedience

Even  The Weekly Standard–as well as Glenn Beck–has been critical of Cliven Bundy. The magazine’s Scrapbook explained the whole Bundy situation with regard to grazing fees and court rulings. The Scrapbook said that what had transpired over the years didn’t sound “like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around.” It said it sounded, instead, “like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and ‘tying up the courts’—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law.”

The Weekly Standard:

Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.

Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 1 (The Daily Show)
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 2 (The Daily Show)

 

SOURCES

Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored: Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more! (Esquire)

Fox News’ new laughingstock: Cliven Bundy — and Stephen Colbert — will destroy Sean Hannity (Salon)

Uncivil Disobedience (The Weekly Standard)

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752 thoughts on “God’s Messenger Cliven Bundy, His Wacko Disciples, and Uncivil Disobedience”

  1. You guys are great.

    Nick moves the goal posts AFTER I kick the field goal…

    “insurance fraud to be an annual $40 billion dollar drain on every law abiding citizen in this country.”

    What kind of insurance? Private insurance? What percentage of ALL insurance does that represent? Has that percentage increased or decreased?

    What is your contextual continuity?

    (apologies to Frank Zappa)

    “fbi.gov”

    That’s a big site.

    “Biased sources.”

    Genetic fallacy.

    “To deny that insurance fraud is not a serious problem is simply nonsensical. ”

    To claim that someone denied fraud is not a serious problem when they didn’t is nonsensical. Is the problem getting worse as a percent of the whole? Who knows? Let’s go to FBI.gov and figure it out. Are we adding enforcement officers or firing them? And if this is private insurance, why aren’t they doing better at policing it? The free market is supposed to be so efficient and all.

    “So, in order to not condone nonsensical behavior, I’m done discussing it. ”

    Perfect.

    “Believe what you wish.”

    I suggest people believe what they can prove to themselves. I just don’t think it would help in your case.

    “if you lose a tooth, make sure you put it under your pillow.”

    And hope you have dental coverage.

    “Some folks should read the links they post and not just the headline. ”

    Like I said about self-awareness…

    Now, I must buy my support staff a drink.

  2. Annie,

    On the other hand, the articles MAY have been read and that is why it’s not so interesting anymore.

  3. Nick: It is hilarious to notice how you pick on little things that you can hide behind rather than getting the gist and accepting where you are wrong and thus interacting in a fruitful manner. For Example, Sarah Palin from the long post rather than understanding the context of the post. The same thing goes with Worker’s Comp and Workman’s Comp. You know I was talking about the insurance. What difference does it make either way?

    I fail to understand why do you have to stoop that low to show off your plumber’s crack.

    You say Potato and I say Potaato. You know what I am talking about in all my posts but your arrogance becomes the hurdle in your self created steeple chase of life.

    The Ego of the Emperor is too big for his own Toga. 🙂

  4. Feynman,

    I’d love to, but I can’t wait, I have a very important date. Have you seen Alice, since she 10′ tall?

  5. It’s only ipse dixit once again. Somebody did not read my linked articles, did they?

  6. Annie,

    Money quote from workmans comp link:

    “For claims professionals who handle comp claims on a daily basis, it often seems as if most comp claims are fraudulent. However, statistics simply don’t support this conclusion. A recent study from the University of Michigan concluded that only 2% of claims are fraudulent. I would think that the actual number is a bit higher than 2%, but certainly a far cry from 100%”

  7. LOL! And some people ignore the headlines which show what the article is about because they have been proven wrong time and time again.

    “Workers’ compensation – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers’_compensation‎
    Wikipedia
    Workers’ compensation is a form of insurance providing wage replacement and ….. Such schemes were originally known as “workman’s compensation,” but …”

    Is that the Emperor’s toga? 🙂

  8. LOL!!! Some folks should read the links they post and not just the headline. You can’t make this stuff up. LOL!!

  9. Aren’t there lots of kinds of insurance fraud that have nothing to do with SSI?

    Say like when Rep. Issa burns down his business or a wife kills her husband for the insurance, or a guy arranges for his car to be stolen, or makes false claims on a robbery, etc. etc.

  10. hskiprob

    “Elaine M. – My humblest apologies. With all that knowledge you’re still leaning to the left? You still have faith in government to do what is in the best interest of the majority? lol ”

    *****

    I proved that your implied accusation about me being a paid political hack who only writes posts that are pro government was incorrect. You apologized to me. Then you implied that there’s something wrong with me for still “leaning to the left.” I certainly don’t have complete faith in the government. That said, I have even less faith in big corporations and their doing what is best for the majority of the people. They do what is best for the bottom line.

  11. Don’t insurance rates go up because of all claims? True, there will be some legitimate claims and some bogus, but all claims that are honored cause premiums to increase. So to say premiums go up because fraud, doesn’t seem to me to be an accurate statement.

  12. Elaine,

    Actually, Elaine, I DID talk to someone like that, Did you see him, too? Things are so crazy down this rabbit hole, you can’t tell what’s real and what’s not.

  13. To deny that insurance fraud is not a serious problem is simply nonsensical. So, in order to not condone nonsensical behavior, I’m done discussing it. Believe what you wish. And, if you lose a tooth, make sure you put it under your pillow.

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