Dar Al Ifta, Egypt’s official body in charge of advising Muslims on spiritual matters, has shown that Egypt is not going to simply give up in the race back to the Stone Age between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Muslim cleric have issued a fatwa prohibiting online chats between unrelated men and women. How they are going to monitor that fatwa is a bit unclear but it appears that even sending text messages to a person of the other sex is an affront to Islam. Clerics issued the fatwa with the warning that social media is “one of the tools of the devil and a way for spreading discord and corruption.”
What is interesting is that people on social media seem far less obsessed with sex as do these Muslim clerics.
Abdul Hamid Al Attrash, a senior Sunni cleric at Al Azhar, Egypt’s prestigious institution of Sunni Islam, insisted that “[f]rom the religious point of view, this fatwa is sound.” Of course from a sanity point of view, not so much.
Abdul Hamid Al Attrash insisted that “Chats between a boy and a girl who are strange to each other is prohibited because this opens the door to the devil and leads to illicit relations that are harmful to society. It is necessary to comply with this fatwa.”
Some people are turning to social media to object to the Fatwa on social media. One remarked “Chat is un-Islamic? Dar Al Ifta left everything illegal in the country and shifted its sights to online chats instead.”
That pretty sums it up.
Source: Gulf News
PaulCS — I say something about the godly, then you say the exact same thing about atheists; that’s the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue” playground retort that most of us outgrow before puberty, and certainly not worthy of anybody who wants to be taken seriously. Then, for the second time, you claim that atheists are trying to impose their behavior or morality on you. Last time, I asked you to name anything that’s being forced upon you, and I got zero response, so let me ask again — what atheistic behavior or morality is being forced on you?
Vixpix1 – abortion on demand, same-sex marriages, dropping of adultery as a crime, taking the Ten Commandments off the lawn of courthouses, taking down religious symbols on public property. Now, remember I am agnostic. If this is bothering me, what do you think it is doing to people who are actually religious.
PaulCS — I’m not sure what you mean by “still the same constitution”. It’s been amended 27 times. In any case, the original issue was about a religious body forbidding men and women from chatting online. I believe that religious groups should stick to suggestions in their sermons about how people should behave. They should NEVER have the force of law. Many religious people seem to feel that their beliefs trump laws, constitutions and the rights of other people. That is theocracy, not democracy, and the founding fathers understood the dangers.
Vixpix1 – even though it has been amended, the first 10 are the ones that are usually litigated. Since they were passed as a group (there were 12 potential amendments) that should count as one amending and actually some states would not approve the Constitution without the guarantee of the additional amendments. After 10, the amendments (except for Prohibition and its repeal) correct problems with the original that should have been fixed at the beginning. One of the amendments was in the original 12 and did not get passed the first time but did the 2nd time.
I would say the same thing about diatribes by atheists, they should NEVER have the force of law. Some atheists feel their beliefs trump laws, the Constitution and the rights of other people.
John — as wonderful as the constitution and the Bill of Rights were, they are 240 year old documents, and they were written for a sparsely populated, largely agricultural America. Trying to apply them without change to the vastly different country we are today is like applying leeches to your body to cure your ill humors. I’m sorry you feel oppressed by contemporary America, but many of the changes you cite as bad were implemented to cure festering problems that made us worse. The idea that we can live by the rules of the founding fathers is a pipe dream, and a destructive one at that.
Vixpix1 – it is still the same Constitution and all states have a constitution that incorporates the federal Constitution. The last states came in in the 1950 using those 240 year old documents as their base. Change is not always good.
Justice Holmes,
Lest we forget the Ottoman Empire.
I am not sure Muslims are behind #2 on the “who has killed more” list. I think they were doing pretty well in that area, killing that is, when they charged across Europe to spread Islam by the sword.
Squeaky – banning on-line chat in a Muslim context doesn’t simply mean banning gossip sites. On this forum you are talking to men and they to you – and that is what is banned. Also many women in order to avoid pests use male or neutral monikers. That would be banned too so that deception couldn’t occur. The effect would be to drive women off the internet completely. The Muslim clerics yelling “sex” is their method of yelling fire, to clear the building. It is all about keeping women under control.
Vixpix
Communism is the collective presided over by the dictatorship of the proletariat. Looks like we’re there.
Monarchy
Theocracy
Dictatorship
Fascism
These are all dictatorships and they all deny freedom of the individual.
The Preamble, Constitution and Bill of Rights established in 1789 and in perpetuity, the freedom of the individual.
Ask yourself why America has implemented all the principles of the Communist Manifesto.
Who nullified the American thesis?
Governmental control of the economy.
Redistribution of wealth
$18T debilitating debt
Nationalized healthcare
Dictatorial bias as affirmative action, quotas, forced busing, rent control, IRS, HUD, HHS, “housing discrimination,” “civil rights,” etc.
Elimination of the right to private property
Open borders
Religious wars
Dictatorship. Ya think?
The more repressive they get, the more rebellious the youth will be.
Isn’t Sharia Law great? Intrusive government control?
Nick — historically, it has often been the case that when Christians or Muslims or Hindus have killed, it’s been done in the name of their god, but when Communists have killed, it’s been in the name of their political ideology. I’m not saying that the followers on Mao and Stalin haven’t done a lot of killing, but they didn’t do it because they were atheists, and they were perfectly happy to kill other atheists. Worldwide, Communist dictatorships have failed. Atheism seems to be growing.
Vixpix – the Communists picked on the non-atheists first. When they went after other atheists, it was because the other did not have the same brand of atheism. Christians have fought with other brands of Christianity and different brands of Islam still fight.
Vix, Communists are #1, Christians 2, but Muslims are on a real hot streak. If we don’t get our heads out of our asses and they get WMD’s they could be waving those big foam #1 fingers in NYC soon. Communism can’t keep up. they killed too many of their own people and their atheist philosophy has all but failed worldwide. I doubt anyone will ever overtake Mao as the most prolific murderer. I hope not anyway!
NickS — If Communists keep it up for a couple of hundred of years, the Christian record for murder might be threatened.
PaulCS — just what values have been forced upon you, and to what repulsive morality have you been forced to adhere?
Xixpix, Communists killed hundreds of millions. So, there’s that.
PaulCS — when you talk about atheists imposing their beliefs on others, I suppose your referring to those famous historical periods like the Unquisition, where nobody burned people whose beliefs were not those of the church, the Salem Witch Hootenanny, where nobody drowned or burned free thinking women, and the Prostate Reformation, where nobody spent centuries killing their neighbors over miniuscule doctrinal differences. Those wacky atheists! The next thing you know, they’ll be living in communes and walking around naked. And we all know what that leads to.
Sunburn!
Vixpix 1 – I second Nick and add the atheists of today who are forcing their beliefs and morality on the rest of us.
At least this is not the law of the state as it would be in Saudi with the morality police.
Interesting on how both the Islamic religious nuts and the Christian religious nuts are desperate to keep other people from having sex, so their imaginary friend will like them.
These delusional zealots want to impose their superstitious beliefs on everyone and are a threat to us all.
Alan8 – interesting how atheist zealots want to impose their beliefs on everyone and are a threat to all of us.
Where was this guy and his fatwa when Anthony Weiner was abusing the unlimited texting portion of his cellular contract?
What was banned was a democratic election. Obama didn’t like the results so he condoned a military coup. Gotta love that “one man, one vote” democracy as we condemn the restricted vote of the true original American republic and the latest vote restrictions in Hong Kong.
They won’t issue a Fatwa against the leader of ISIS but online chatting absolutely! They are such cowards these “men of god”.
Islam is an affront to the human race, especially women. Isn’t Egypt supposed to only have a non-religious regime now? Isn’t that what banning the elected Muslim Brotherhood was about?
NEWSFLASH
Speaking of Egypt…
Obama enlists Egyptian military to winterize the “Arab Spring” in Libya and North Africa. The military coup in Egypt overturned a democratically elected government was condoned by Obama. Obama only likes democratic elections when his collectivist/liberal/progressive/ socialist/ democrat candidates win. Apparently, Obama doesn’t like Arabs springing into “one man, one vote” democracy. Obama doesn’t like the restricted vote, Obama likes restricted elections. How about an election wherein an ineligible candidate wins, O?
FREE BEACON
“Egypt’s government also halted flights to and from Libya.
Military forces in North Africa, including those from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt have been placed on heightened alert as a result of intelligence warning of the stolen aircraft.
Egyptian military jets reportedly have conducted strikes inside Libya against Libyan Dawn positions recently, and U.S. officials said there are signs a larger Egyptian military incursion is being planned.
Egyptian President Abdel-Fatah al-Sisi was quoted as denying Egyptian air strikes into Libya have taken place but suggested that military action is being considered.
Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations.
Egypt’s military-backed government appears to be seeking a more significant role in regional security after the Obama administration helped engineer the ouster of Libyan strongman Moammar Qaddafi in 2011. Since then, the Obama administration, through its announced policy of “leading from behind,” has stood by while Libya gradually has spiraled into chaos.”