Poll: Egyptians Want Democracy . . . and Stonings

1024px-Election_MG_3455stone-1I had a fleeting sensation of hope yesterday when a poll of 1,000 Egyptians by the Pew Research Center found that 59% percent said that their preferred form of government is democracy. Then a little below the poll found that 82% feel adulterers should be stoned and 84% believe that apostates from Islam should face the death penalty.

The poll captures a long-standing tension in Muslim countries, which favor differing degree of democracy while applying Sharia law and deny basic rights like free speech and association and privacy in the name of Islam. The Egyptians have long been one of the most educated and modern countries in the Arab world. Yet, 95 percent believe that it is a good thing not to have separation of mosque and to allow Islam to play a large role in politics.

Some 85% say that Islam’s influence on politics is good

While 80% think that suicide bombings are never or rarely justified and 70% are concerned about radical Islam, 54% believe men and women should be segregated in the workplace and 77% believe thieves should be flogged or have their hands cut off.

The lack of separation and secular principles will continue to result in the denial of fundamental human rights in Muslims countries until citizens recognize the relationship between such rights and liberty. Democracy is little protection of rights since, in nations with overwhelming Islamic voting blocks, these laws are always popular. This is the very meaning of what the Framers viewed as majoritarian terror or tyranny. Liberty requires citizens to take a type of leap of faith in giving up their ability to dictate the views, associations, and beliefs of their neighbors. That takes a great deal of education to instill such values of governance in a population. Even in this country, many seek to impose their morals on their neighbors through morality laws.

The corrosive impact of Sharia law is well-documented on this and other legal blogs. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech (as well as freedom of religion) are denied in such systems where people may be punished and even put to death for uttering irreligious and minority views. Democracy becomes a tool for opposition in the absence of guaranteed rights of speech, religion, press, and association. Without such protections, it merely allows ordinary people to participate in the oppression of their neighbors.

Source: Globe and Mail

109 thoughts on “Poll: Egyptians Want Democracy . . . and Stonings”

  1. Because Obama has coattails Annie. He won’t in this election. In this election he has cooties.

    1. annie – I just got a national survey that asked if my national vote would be a referendum on Obama. I said yes.

  2. Paul, I will give you that on the music. I adore the Civil War, have watched it in excess, actually, but the music repeats ad nauseum. It would be good as a sleep aid. I prefer his Baseball, as the music is lively and the stories are at times known and unknown. If you ever want to watch something visually stunning, check out his National Parks documentary.

  3. Ah, Paul, I would have known I’d be corrected, and I stand as such. Still, I have noted that, in the last election, Democrats actually out polled Republicans, yet gerrymandering rendered that moot.

    1. maxcat06 – there is a difference between being a liberal and being a Democrat.

  4. In Re the Roosevelts you can catch the series on line for a limited time, then you’ll have to purchase the series.

  5. Annie – I watched it and it’s on my dvr. I plan to re-watch it. It was marvelous. Of course, I think Ken Burns could do a documentary on a brick and make it entertaining. One board I read claimed that Burns was a commie!!

    1. maxcat06 – has anyone complained about the pace of the music that Burns plays. I like to never get through his Civil War documentary. The slow pace of the music kept putting me to sleep. In fact. I finally recorded it on the bedroom dvr and would play it to put myself to sleep.

  6. AY – It will come. I know that most of the world feels that we are fools. We are behind in infrastructure, healthcare, child health, child mortality, and the list goes on. Still, the flag is waved and all is well.

  7. Maxcat, the majority of commenters are now conservatives, we liberal women are a rare breed now.

    1. Annie, I remember the days of Professor Turley on Olbermann. He was wonderful, and while they might have disagreed on some issues, there was a real respect there. Alas, there is little here. What I don’t understand, and this is more than rhetorical, is that liberals are actually more than half the population of this nation. Dismissing them or looking askance at them does little. Both sides used to bring their special viewpoints to the table and hammer out compromise. Now, we are supposed to feel that we are vermin. Sorry, no can do. I know the progressivism of both Roosevelts and others. They saw the human condition despite coming from great wealth. The petty conservatives of today feel nothing for others.

  8. Maxcat, this blog has really changed, even since I started posting about a year ago. It’s sad to see how many quality commenters have left. What the heck happened to this place? I have a feeling that without the liberals here, this place would not get nearly as many hits. Soon it would truly be a right wing echo chamber. From the days of watching Turley on Olberman to what it’s become now, it’s actually quite shocking.

  9. My PROGRESSIVE daughter is in the Navy, in these perilous times, she’s been in since 2002. What a moocher she is for accepting ‘pay’ for her service.

  10. Maxcat, there is something fundamentally wrong with some people, something’ ‘missing’.

    1. Annie, thank you. When I’m about to throw in the towel, you post something to let me know someone here knows what I’m talking about.

      1. I know exactly how you feel, Maxcat. The people here who profess to be believers, seem to be the worst ones.

        1. The “patriots” seem to leave out a huge segment of the population, don’t they? It’s “my way or the highway”. SOOO American!

  11. davidm:

    the Constitution is just some words on paper if not for the DOI. That lays the philosophical groundwork for our country. Jefferson should have said life, liberty and property but he never imagined people would look at the DOI as anything but a document in support of the rights of the individual.

    I have a hard time understanding how educated people think this country was founded as a welfare state.

    1. Byron wrote: “I have a hard time understanding how educated people think this country was founded as a welfare state.”

      Not many think it was founded that way, but they think it should develop into that, like a child growing into an adult. That’s why they like the term “Progressive.”

      1. David et. al.

        I truly love how you all decide on your own how Progressives define themselves. Actually, I thank you. This way, I can remain a child and, at age
        63, refrain from growing into an adult even though I worked my whole life.
        Please, however, forgive me for becoming disabled and availing myself of
        disability payments (from my employer) along with SSDI. I have received a pension but have found the additional money useful in that I don’t have to live on cat food. I’m so sorry that it offends your sensibilities, but I happen to believe that not only I, but others in my condition, enjoy these benefits due to
        PROGRESSIVE programs that I’m not willing to condemn. I could tell you the sum total of my yearly prescription medications, and give you my opinion as to why they are so exorbitant, but I doubt you would want to hear that, either. Continue on in your smug opinions and also continue to look down your nose at the rest of the world. It so suits you all.

        1. maxcat06 wrote: “This way, I can remain a child and, at age
          63, refrain from growing into an adult even though I worked my whole life.”

          Max, I think you misunderstood me. My analogy made people like me and Byron children with progressives being the wise adults. The point was that some view us conservatives as stuck in the past and not ready to embrace the good changes of the future. I’m sorry if that perspective offended you.

          I like the term progressive myself. I would like to think that I am progressive, but unfortunately, a lot of you will not accept me.

          1. David, you might re-read your own comment. It certainly didn’t read that way, nor do most of your posts.
            I’m proud of my Progressive roots. My Jewish parents were lifelong Democrats, business owners who gave willingly to those less fortunate, and supported public programs that did, as well. They lived through the Depression, and worshiped Franklin Roosevelt. That will never leave me.

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