There is another controversy involving a police shooting. Jermane Reid was shot and killed after the Jaguar in which he was riding was pulled over for running a stop sign by Bridgeton officers Braheme Days and Roger Worley in a Dec. 30 traffic stop. When one officer reported seeing a handgun in the glove compartment, things got tense and ultimately led to the fatal shooting of the unarmed Reid. [Warning: the video and text includes foul language]
Driver, Leroy Tutt, is seen showing his hands throughout the encounter.
The officers are heard screaming over and over “Don’t you fucking move!” and “Show me your hands!” at the driver and passenger. Days repeatedly warns Reid not to move, screaming “I’m going to shoot you . . . You’re going to be … dead. If you reach for something, you’re going to be … dead.” However, Reid is heard saying “I ain’t got no reason to reach for nothing, bro, I ain’t got no reason to reach for nothing.” He then says, “I’m getting out and getting on the ground.” Days tells him not to move, but decides to step out of the Jaguar with his hands raised to shoulder height. He is then shot.
Clearly he should have obeyed the officer but his hands appear to be in clear view and Reid made clear that he was going to get out. Both officers appear to have fired at least six times. It is not clear if it was Reid or Days who opened the door. Under Tennessee v. Garner, there would be no justification for the use of lethal force in such a circumstance.
Reid, 36, had a record, including 13 years in prison for shooting at New Jersey State Police troopers when he was a teenager. He was also arrested last year on charges including drug possession and obstruction. Notably, Days was one of the arresting officers in the later arrests. That record however does not factor into the shooting if his hands were visible and there was no threatening behavior. Disobeying an order to remain in the car is obviously not sufficient cause for the use of lethal force under the controlling standard.
Ari
I am a lousy shot. I prefer to kill in silence but up close and with a simple tool – the garrote. Those distance kills never gave me the adrenaline high that you gun experts prefer.
But your love of the blackjack makes me think you should contact John Burge. You might get a kick out of some of his stories.
Clarification: if the officer had a black jack and the skills to use it, the guy he shot would not be dead, not even shot, but lying on the ground groaning in pain…but still breathing….while being hand cuffed.
Dang…”ever” = “even” … need new key board me thinks.
With information available I tend to agree with Professor Turley, but will still wait for more details.
WadeWilliams…now I know you’ve never been in a firefight or gunfight. Your presumptions are borderline hilarious. I don’t need to argue, but you seem to need it. For the record, the average Tueller Drill distance to stop an assailant is 21 feet…at 2 feet the issue is critical. Oh, wait…you don’t know what a Tueller Drill demonstrates? If you do (quickly go to Wiki) tell me about it.
Do you actually think removing non-lethal tools from the police kit is beneficial? Or does it inevitably lead to what happened? Right or wrong? Limited choice can leave no choice…and I’m not ever ready to say who was right or wrong in this matter. You seem to be…guess you were there, right?
Jeez!
No blackjacks! I don’t know how they get any recruits to join he force at all.
Airdog,
The cop was 2 feet away. Do you really want to argue that he may have had a hard time making every shot count?
For further reading enjoyment, Darren said “he (Darren) had a feeling”. Feeling is not knowing. Darren later says ‘appears’, ‘interpreted’, ‘possible’. Darren writes with caution.
The private eye does not. Maybe once some slave makes him a sandwich, he’ll be less annoying.
Wade Williams Darren is an attorney who defends these scumbags for some reason and he was saying to wait to see what happens before we make a judgement. Just so you know….. He is the nicest person on here.
DBQ.
There is no reason that he should not be able to petition to get his rights back …..
Yes there is, if he gets his franchise back he may vote against the GOP.
WadeWilliams…from your remarks I gather you have experience in gun fights or fire fights….since you are quite profound on the subject. So I am puzzled by your opinion. Yes, the number of shots is immaterial, only the stoppers count. And, trust me if you can, those are not easy. Relatively rare in fact, even with an AK or AR rifle. Now a .50 caliber BMG round from a Barrett rifle might be just about right…almost always lethal. Take away enough non-lethal options from the police, especially the good ones, and that may be the last option…heaven forbid.
Ari, There is a great trial ongoing here in San Diego. A meth tweaker, transvestite who put on a pink Barbie dress and tried to rape a woman. Part of it is caught on video.
Nick – I have to ask – who was shooting the video?
Make your own f**king sandwich, SIR.
rcocean….you make a good point, perhaps without realizing it. Many police in many locales have been stripped of their traditional theoretically non-lethal options. Here, unless the rule have changed recently, there are no tasers, or baton, and definitely no black jacks (previously carried in a uniform pants pocket for that purpose). Anyone who has been hit by a black jack on the point of the shoulder knows how debilitating it can be….one arm goes numb and useless…and the pain will make your nut$ withdraw in to your abdomen. You’ll just have to trust me on that one. No one carries black jacks anymore, anywhere that I know of…but maybe they should. Up close they are very handy and less than lethal, used properly.
At one time, maybe even now, the cops have only their pistol and a flash light…and a friend of mine was sent to prison for a decade+ for using his flashlight on a drug addled dude, who resisted arrest strongly, and who died on the scene. He never even pulled his sidearm. The flashlight was the weapon blamed…e.g., the guy using it hit the perpetrator too hard…so they said. No mention of the effect of cocaine & meth in the guy’s system (upon autopsy) or his bad heart….not helped by the cocaine or the meth. This event occurred about a mile east of my house…a notorious ghetto. The former officer died last year of cancer, may he RIP. His reputation was for NOT pulling his sidearm more often than not. He figured he could out muscle almost anyone.
I got a kick out of the “kung-fu” reference…I have a 40+ year old black belt in Taekwondo, which against a Smith & Wesson or other arm, is useless. We used to joke that the guy with the “pink belt” in Model 1911 always wins. Not to mention that at 72 my martial arts skill is rather diminished…to the clown show level I’m afraid. So, yeah, I carry a .45 ACP pistol, de-cocked as the best modern pistols allow you to do…renders the pistol double action like a revolver un-cocked….for the first shot.
My point is that in many places we’ve disarmed the police to the point that all they have left is lethal force. Whose fault is that?
Beautiful!
I now read that the number of shots is not relevant. Three? Seven? Three hundred and seven? None of that makes a bit of difference. I wonder if it would have made a difference if the cop used an RPG? Naw. Probably not.
Some very funny human beings are found on this site.
CONVICTED FELON COP SHOOTERS DO NOT HAVE 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS DONCHA KNOW! Now do something useful and make me a sandwich.
Wonderful!
We’ve got people here who for months, and some for years, have loudly, proudly cited their 2nd Amendment rights. And that right has included most every gun and magazine known. Remember the Fundamentals. Guns (even guns in glove compartments) don’t kill people – people kill people.
Well I’ll be damned. THAT 2nd Amendment was only for RURAL people for RURAL guns. Them city people – they ain’t got none 2nd Amendment rights. Them guns aren’t legal, doncha know. In fact, they are an immediate death sentence should you find yourself just a little rattled when a fear(?) crazed cop with his gun aimed six inches from your head is hysterical and screaming orders at you and you aren’t certain just what you are supposed to do in order to keep the calm officer who has just suffered an apparent psychotic break from putting a bullet (or seven) in your brain.
Interesting video @10:30p. Lawrence Rafflaw, Esq. was incredulous there might be more than one gun in the cop shooter’s Jaguar. He lives in Illinois where they hate guns. Ironically, folks in Illinois like Lawrence want only cops to have guns. But, they want them to be like Sheriff Andy Taylor and just talk the bad guys into jail. They are conflicted.
And why do people always emphasize the number of shots. I don’t think getting shot 7 times is any worse than getting shot 3 times. One bullet can kill you and after you get that one, the rest are irrelevant. Besides, once they start shooting they keep on till they know the suspect is down. Its not like Hollywood, where crooks fall down after one shot.
If only the Cop had dropped his gun and tried Kung Fu, this all could have been avoided.
Policeman draws gun, yells at you not to advance upon him or he will shoot. You do, and get shot. Another idiot goes to his reward.
Amazing how many assumptions are made here based upon incomplete information or none at all. Little is known about the officer’s previous experience with the passenger, who was a felon and had attempted to shoot cops, except that he had arrested the (tried-to-be) cop-killer on drug charges. Obviously, upon recognizing this individual, and seeing a gun in his proximity, his attitude changed drastically. No one here knows from this video what was happening inside the car, what the cop was thinking or reacting to, or other relevant facts to the circumstances. It was evident that the felon was attempting to get out of the car against the repeated, forceful instructions of the officer. Maybe there had been threats against the officer at some time in the past, or something else that is unknown from this article or video. Any speculation about the situation, the officer’s reactions, or whether what happened was appropriate or not is pure speculation, based upon personal biases.
Regardless of how and why it happened, as far as I’m concerned, there is just one less criminally-minded slime ball in the world tonight. Thanks, officer!